Average prices for labels run about $3-$10 per thousand. The most expensive labels on metallic stock with lots of spot colors might be $30 per thousand.
That's still 3 cents per label for the most expensive ones. I doubt they could even sort out the power supply for these things that cheaply.
Kazaa's ownership is as close to P2P as you can get, with fake corporate entities all over the place and other sleezy business tactics designed to make them hard to be held accountable.
They aren't martyrs. If they hadn't latched onto this thing they'd probably be running drugs or operating some sort of pyramid scheme.
Using allofmp3.com, you pay when you download, correct?
No. You pay ahead of time into an account. Money gets deducted from the account when you purchase music, not when you download it. You could purchase a bunch of music and never download it, and your account would eventually be out of money. The two steps are distinct and separate.
Also, when you download the works successfully, they are no longer available in your account on allofmp3 unless you purchase them again. You can't download multiple copies without repurchasing.
you create a copy in RAM
If the legality of allofmp3 comes down to what the user does after fixing their initial copy, then allofmp3 is just as legal as itunes, since the user generally would perform the same sorts of actions on a file downloaded from itunes as they would from a file gotten from allofmp3.
Regardless, if your player does not cache the entire file in RAM, instead reading chunks at a time (as most of them do), then that's not really fixing a copy in a way that would be likely to trigger copyright protection.
To put it in MAI v Peak terms, the representation created in the RAM by most music players is in my opinion not sufficiently permanent or stable to permit it to be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated for a period of more than transitory duration.
Of course this is a big gray area as both of us is aware, and millions (billions?) of people make copies of their files to put on portable players, which is a much clearer infringement than any RAM copy, and is also generally tolerated by copyright holders.
I think a court would be hesitant to make a ruling similar to MAI v Peak these days (especially with regard to digital media), on the grounds that it would upset the balance of rights between copyright holders and consumers of copyright protected content. It would destroy the entire portable music player market.
Well, those numbers for price used to be three times higher.
I admit I haven't actually been on the pricing part of any UPS purchase less than 5000 VA in several years. I've just been telling the other IT guys what to order in terms of VA and they have been ordering it for me.
It's cool to know they are so cheap now (and they don't lie on specs anymore), I'll have to get some for home use.
OK, assuming that the purchase is legal in Russia, I think you'll agree that I can buy as much as I want and never download it and no infringement occurs, right?
I do own a copy in russia, it's sitting on their servers waiting for me to import it by downloading it.
Think of it this way. I call my pal Yakov and tell him to purchase 5 CDs for me in Russia. I had sent him 500 rubels previously. He purchases them and has them in his possession, waiting for me to tell him to mail them to me. No infringement has occured. Same deal.
Because the act of purchasing the digital recording and the act of downloading it are separate, I think it's clear that the purchase does not occur in the US, the purchase is entirely overseas.
Under the First Sale doctrine. Quality King Distributors Inc., v. L'anza Research International Inc (1998) the supreme court ruled that works made in the US, exported, and then purchased legally overseas and reimported are not infringing. You probably knew that.
The purchase is conducted in Russian currency, allofmp3 has no US presence, etc. I don't think one could make a good argument that the purchase happened in any country but Russia.
It forces the user into turning flash off just to view that one page correctly, while being forced to leave flash on to view other badly designed pages.
In other words, a fucking mess.
Do you even know what you're talking about anyway!?
I can't highlight any of those headlines that used the flash text. If doesn't matter if there's text under them, I can't highlight something I can't see.
The stuff the replaced the core memory with is RAM capable of monitoring itself for radiation induced errors. Apples to Oranges man, if I were making RAM for use in space I wouldn't go down to wal-mart and buy a compactflash card.
I agree with you there, I was suspecting you might not take such a view though, playing devils advocate.
You know all the people that spout garbage like "If (something extremely expensive or freedom-hampering) saves just one life then it was all worth it".
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LabelArt in Milford?
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You didn't hear? Apparently tubgirl is working for the company that makes YooHoo now, some sort of viral marketing alliance.
I work for a retail label printer.
Average prices for labels run about $3-$10 per thousand. The most expensive labels on metallic stock with lots of spot colors might be $30 per thousand.
That's still 3 cents per label for the most expensive ones. I doubt they could even sort out the power supply for these things that cheaply.
Kazaa's ownership is as close to P2P as you can get, with fake corporate entities all over the place and other sleezy business tactics designed to make them hard to be held accountable.
They aren't martyrs. If they hadn't latched onto this thing they'd probably be running drugs or operating some sort of pyramid scheme.
Using allofmp3.com, you pay when you download, correct?
No. You pay ahead of time into an account. Money gets deducted from the account when you purchase music, not when you download it. You could purchase a bunch of music and never download it, and your account would eventually be out of money. The two steps are distinct and separate.
Also, when you download the works successfully, they are no longer available in your account on allofmp3 unless you purchase them again. You can't download multiple copies without repurchasing.
you create a copy in RAM
If the legality of allofmp3 comes down to what the user does after fixing their initial copy, then allofmp3 is just as legal as itunes, since the user generally would perform the same sorts of actions on a file downloaded from itunes as they would from a file gotten from allofmp3.
Regardless, if your player does not cache the entire file in RAM, instead reading chunks at a time (as most of them do), then that's not really fixing a copy in a way that would be likely to trigger copyright protection.
To put it in MAI v Peak terms, the representation created in the RAM by most music players is in my opinion not sufficiently permanent or stable to permit it to be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated for a period of more than transitory duration.
Of course this is a big gray area as both of us is aware, and millions (billions?) of people make copies of their files to put on portable players, which is a much clearer infringement than any RAM copy, and is also generally tolerated by copyright holders.
I think a court would be hesitant to make a ruling similar to MAI v Peak these days (especially with regard to digital media), on the grounds that it would upset the balance of rights between copyright holders and consumers of copyright protected content. It would destroy the entire portable music player market.
Well, those numbers for price used to be three times higher.
I admit I haven't actually been on the pricing part of any UPS purchase less than 5000 VA in several years. I've just been telling the other IT guys what to order in terms of VA and they have been ordering it for me.
It's cool to know they are so cheap now (and they don't lie on specs anymore), I'll have to get some for home use.
That must be pretty new, I hadn't noticed it. I retract what I said. Thanks for the heads up.
People said the same thing about DRM, and yet idiots happlily slurp that up and pay above retail prices for it!
OK, assuming that the purchase is legal in Russia, I think you'll agree that I can buy as much as I want and never download it and no infringement occurs, right?
I do own a copy in russia, it's sitting on their servers waiting for me to import it by downloading it.
Think of it this way. I call my pal Yakov and tell him to purchase 5 CDs for me in Russia. I had sent him 500 rubels previously. He purchases them and has them in his possession, waiting for me to tell him to mail them to me. No infringement has occured. Same deal.
Because the act of purchasing the digital recording and the act of downloading it are separate, I think it's clear that the purchase does not occur in the US, the purchase is entirely overseas.
Under the First Sale doctrine. Quality King Distributors Inc., v. L'anza Research International Inc (1998) the supreme court ruled that works made in the US, exported, and then purchased legally overseas and reimported are not infringing. You probably knew that.
Can you elaborate on why you think it's losing?
The purchase is conducted in Russian currency, allofmp3 has no US presence, etc. I don't think one could make a good argument that the purchase happened in any country but Russia.
They were investigated and found to be in compliance with all copyright laws.
If you knew CSS, you'd understand what he was talking about.
It forces the user into turning flash off just to view that one page correctly, while being forced to leave flash on to view other badly designed pages.
In other words, a fucking mess.
Do you even know what you're talking about anyway!?
Yes.
Google will detect and remove all such pages.
Wanna know why?
Because Mr. V1AGRA C1AL1S is going to put legitimate looking web page on the bottom, spam crap on top in Flash, and then crud up Google with it.
Google will then just remove all the pages that use such a technique, thus killing this UI nightmare before it starts (thankfully).
I can't highlight any of those headlines that used the flash text. If doesn't matter if there's text under them, I can't highlight something I can't see.
Users leave javascript and flash on to support pages that idiot web designers like yourself design, not because they want to but because they have to.
Can't we all just get along!!?
No. "Web designers" that use flash for anything other than showing movies can go to hell.
The stuff the replaced the core memory with is RAM capable of monitoring itself for radiation induced errors. Apples to Oranges man, if I were making RAM for use in space I wouldn't go down to wal-mart and buy a compactflash card.
Rapid compression is an ignition source.
That sounds like the "General reward" that he is unhappy with.
Well, that's interesting. I bet it didn't cost $90 though, which is what the original post in this thread suggested getting.
If it did cost $90 I guess I just haven't kept up with the progress in UPSs.
Have you run it on the battery for a long period?
Pretty much all of the ones that come with a 7AH battery are not rated for 100% power output for more than 3 or 4 minutes.
In other words, it'll likely melt because they lied, it can only do maybe 200-300 VA continuous for more than a couple minutes.
I can do that with flash memory and get densities about equal to current RAM, and still be millions of times faster than core memory.
The solution is to stop wasting my money on this bullshit, and let the free market take care of it.
Heh, well OK then.
I agree with you there, I was suspecting you might not take such a view though, playing devils advocate.
You know all the people that spout garbage like "If (something extremely expensive or freedom-hampering) saves just one life then it was all worth it".