If anything, people who don't use a command line are smarter than you because they're cutting down on keystrokes, thus improving their productivity.
Wow, I have to disagree. Coming from a background of using the gooey goodness of the Mac OS since system 7, I have been all about GUI GUI and more chewy gooey goodness, BUT everyone I have ever taught how to use the Mac OS in its previous incarnations, I always showed them how to get almost anything done by way of using the keyboard, the Mac OS ( same with windows ) had/has an amazing amount of keyboard shortcuts and if used , a person could do about 99% of their work with out ever touching a mouse. This seriously enhanced their productivity, those that took to the keyboard shortcuts got gobs of work done in record time compared to those that did not.
As for using the command line instead of a GUI , my first reaction to OS X was
" damm years of Mac OS knowledge in the dustbin, I was elite dammit!" ( he said with a tinge of sarcasm and sadness ) While I really have had to reinvent my troubleshooting skills, almost all my beloved keyboard shortcuts are still there, AND I get to use this newfangled thing called a CLI, and I tell you it is an order of magnitude faster to move around on remote servers using the terminal than a GUI, an order of magnitude faster to edit lots of html/plain text documents using the terminal, and I have really just scratched the surface. Now on my local HD , I know I can get to places way faster in the GUI than using the CLI, But I certainly do NOT use my mouse to get that speed, but the keyboard and only the keyboard. One thing I do use the mouse for a lot is placing the insertion point in certain places, seems faster than the keyboard sometimes, but only sometimes.
The thing that sort of makes this thread on topic is that I hope that programmers that use this book will add tons of keyboard shortcuts to their GUI programs, so we can be chewey and gooey yet not use a mouse.
Ok apparently folks are just not getting this. "Model Changed Slightly" It has he's right, but odd or even has nothing to do with it.
Hang with me here ok....... System 7.5, Pay, 8.0, Pay, 8.5 Pay, 9.0, Pay 10.0 Pay 10.1 free, just because 10.0 sucked so bad. Now Since Apple has a couple of dollars invested in the whole "X" theme, they cant go to 10.5 then 11.0 , they are going to go all the way to 11.0 thru the point.x system, so you cant think of OS 10.3 just as a "Point" upgrade, its like going to 9 from 8 or 8.5, a pay for upgrade.
I was just about to try to start a post on this very topic.
With all the "buzz" surrounding WWDC it seems MacHack 18 is getting the short end of the stick news wise. I was hoping you all could come up with more news/blogs/snippets whatever on the goings on in Dearborn than I have. I have googled, netnewswired and macsurfered till my eyes hurt , and these stories are all I can come up with, any help, or discussion?
PS: Any links to MacMania II blogs score bonus points.
by Shawn Platkus MacHack is a conference for professional developers who make their living developing for the Macintosh platform. The conference, now in its eighteenth year, has obviously had to deal with many changes throughout its history.
MacHack 18 Opens with a Keynote Address from Ken Arnold
by Shawn Platkus As is traditional, MacHack 18 opened first thing Thursday morning at 12:00 am with its keynote address. This year the opening keynote speaker was Ken Arnold who is currently the Chief Architect of EventMonitor, In
A Really Long Portage in the Digital River : AI's Yellow Text : Well, here's one for the record books: I'm at MacHack , and my access to the 'net is even worse than it is at home.
I think you really need to read about these little coupons,just a heads up. They really don't mean Jack until Monday, and then only for folks that buy the "New" hardware. Depending on when Panther ships maybe not even for them. These coupons only really help with your OS version when Major OS announcements happen, and then only for new purchases that donâ(TM)t have the âoeAnnouncedâ OS version on them, and on rare occasions purchases up to a month previous to the Major announcement. I guarantee that if you bring in your little green coupon to an Apple dealer or an Apple store and expect a boxed version of 10.3 you will be giggled at.
Current uses of these coupons are.
$69.95 for a one-year.Mac membership.
Buy any Mac and Macromedia Studio MX and save $500,
Get a Canon i450 Color Bubble Jet Printer free, or get $99 back.
Or if for some crazy reason your recently bought Mac had say 10.1 on it , the Apple fulfillment center would send you 10.2 disks, if you pay the shipping.
That's it that's all, if you are not going to take advantage of any of the above offers then the coupons are worth nada, zip, zero, bunkums, Zippo.
While your first two point are pretty much spot on, I beg to differ on your last point. I have many clients running 10.2 on their Pismo's ( what I consider totally ancient ) laptops and the performance is the same if not better than 500-700 MHz laptops running XP. It ran great on my 1 GHz 15'Ti PowerBook ( that I literally just sold 12 hours ago : ) and it runs very sweetly on my new "temporary" 800 MHz G3 iBook. Very nice indeed. Ram is SO MUCH the key though I must admit.
I just bought one of these for a client a few weeks ago and indeed in the marketing materials it looks sweet, reality is its a plastic piece o crap, quality not even on par with a speak and spell. Just a heads up, and it really did not seem all that fast to be honest ( XPHome ) anyway , also its on its way back home to dell this week to see a dell laptop doc, as this one displays lots of wacky colors at random intervals, pretty but.....I am apple laptop biased to be honest but I truly was shocked at the build quality of the dell. I wont even talk about the quality of the $600 dell desktop I just bought for another client, damm disapointing. But like I said I am a Mac bigot so I expect, not much , but just a bit more quality from a "Name Brand " machine. And you are right, Wide Screen laptops , while not really needed by most , are sure chock full of gooey sweetness : )
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If anything, people who don't use a
command line are smarter than you because they're cutting down on
keystrokes, thus improving their
productivity.
Wow, I have to disagree. Coming from a background of using the
gooey goodness of the Mac OS since system 7, I have been all about GUI
GUI and more chewy gooey goodness, BUT everyone I have ever taught how
to use the Mac OS in its previous incarnations, I always showed them
how to get almost anything done by way of using the keyboard, the Mac
OS ( same with windows ) had/has an amazing amount of keyboard
shortcuts and if used , a person could do about 99% of their work with
out ever touching a mouse. This seriously enhanced their productivity,
those that took to the keyboard shortcuts got gobs of work done in
record time compared to those that did not.
As for using the command line instead of a GUI , my first reaction to
OS X was
" damm years of Mac OS knowledge in the dustbin, I was elite dammit!" (
he said with a tinge of sarcasm and sadness ) While I really have had
to reinvent my troubleshooting skills, almost all my beloved keyboard
shortcuts are still there, AND I get to use this newfangled thing
called a CLI, and I tell you it is an order of magnitude faster to move
around on remote servers using the terminal than a GUI, an order of
magnitude faster to edit lots of html/plain text documents using the
terminal, and I have really just scratched the surface. Now on my local
HD , I know I can get to
places way faster in the GUI than using the CLI, But I certainly do NOT
use my mouse to get that speed, but the keyboard and only the keyboard.
One thing I do use the mouse for a lot is placing the insertion point
in certain places, seems faster than the keyboard sometimes, but only
sometimes.
The thing that sort of makes this thread on topic is that I hope that
programmers that use this book will add tons of keyboard shortcuts to
their GUI programs, so we can be chewey and gooey yet not use a mouse.
Ok apparently folks are just not getting this. "Model Changed Slightly"
It has he's right, but odd or even has nothing to do with it.
Hang with me here ok....... System 7.5, Pay, 8.0, Pay, 8.5 Pay, 9.0,
Pay 10.0 Pay 10.1 free, just because 10.0 sucked so bad. Now Since
Apple has a couple of dollars invested in the whole "X" theme, they
cant go to 10.5 then 11.0 , they are going to go all the way to 11.0
thru the point.x system, so you cant think of OS 10.3 just as a "Point"
upgrade, its like going to 9 from 8 or 8.5, a pay for upgrade.
So for the next few years it will be like this.
10.2 pay, 10.3, pay, 10.4 Pay, 10.5 Pay, ETC, ETC, ETC
This sounds like a neat hack, a Jini based mood ring
http://www.x180.net/Blog/index.html
I was just about to try to start a post on this very topic.
With all the "buzz" surrounding WWDC it seems MacHack 18 is getting the
short end of the stick news wise. I was hoping you all could come up
with more news/blogs/snippets whatever on the goings on in Dearborn
than I have. I have googled, netnewswired and macsurfered till my eyes
hurt , and these stories are all I can come up with, any help, or
discussion?
PS: Any links to MacMania II blogs score bonus points.
MacHack
18: Experiencing the Unstoppable
by Shawn Platkus MacHack is a conference for professional developers
who make their living developing for the Macintosh platform. The
conference, now in its eighteenth year, has obviously had to deal with
many changes throughout its history.
MacHack
18 Opens with a Keynote Address from Ken Arnold
by Shawn Platkus As is traditional, MacHack 18 opened first
thing Thursday morning at 12:00 am with its keynote address. This
year the opening keynote speaker was Ken Arnold who is currently the
Chief Architect of EventMonitor, In
A Really Long Portage in the
Digital River : AI's Yellow Text : Well, here's one for the record
books: I'm at MacHack , and my access to the 'net is even worse than it
is at home.
MacHack
Report
Macmegasite : I'm now at MacHack with a usable network connection. The
show is a lot smaller than previous years, but still lots of fun.
Who in the world started that rumor? If you believe this you WILL be disappointed.
That I can guarantee.
I think you really need to read about these little coupons,just a heads up. They really don't mean Jack until Monday, and then only for folks that buy the "New" hardware. Depending on when Panther ships maybe not even for them. These coupons only really help with your OS version when Major OS announcements happen, and then only for new purchases that donâ(TM)t have the âoeAnnouncedâ OS version on them, and on rare occasions purchases up to a month previous to the Major announcement. I guarantee that if you bring in your little green coupon to an Apple dealer or an Apple store and expect a boxed version of 10.3 you will be giggled at. .Mac membership.
Buy any Mac and Macromedia Studio MX and save $500,
Get a Canon i450 Color Bubble Jet Printer free, or get $99 back.
Current uses of these coupons are. $69.95 for a one-year
Or if for some crazy reason your recently bought Mac had say 10.1 on it , the Apple fulfillment center would send you 10.2 disks, if you pay the shipping.
That's it that's all, if you are not going to take advantage of any of the above offers then the coupons are worth nada, zip, zero, bunkums, Zippo.
While your first two point are pretty much spot on, I beg to differ on your last point. I have many clients running 10.2 on their Pismo's
( what I consider totally ancient ) laptops and the performance is the same if not better than 500-700 MHz laptops running XP. It ran great on my 1 GHz 15'Ti PowerBook ( that I literally just sold 12 hours ago : ) and it runs very sweetly on my new "temporary" 800 MHz G3 iBook. Very nice indeed. Ram is SO MUCH the key though I must admit.
I just bought one of these for a client a few weeks ago and indeed in the marketing materials it looks sweet, reality is its a plastic piece o crap, quality not even on par with a speak and spell. Just a heads up, and it really did not seem all that fast to be honest ( XPHome ) anyway , also its on its way back home to dell this week to see a dell laptop doc, as this one displays lots of wacky colors at random intervals, pretty but.....I am apple laptop biased to be honest but I truly was shocked at the build quality of the dell. I wont even talk about the quality of the $600 dell desktop I just bought for another client, damm disapointing. But like I said I am a Mac bigot so I expect, not much , but just a bit more quality from a "Name Brand " machine. And you are right, Wide Screen laptops , while not really needed by most , are sure chock full of gooey sweetness : )
I am willing to pay the $300 Simple as that.
>>> It will be a lesson learned too late
I love this , Mac users have never heard anyone say this before.
The "gauzy ghetto of boutique computing"
I know I like it there, its better than selling boxes for cheapskates.
BK