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1) Comparing NeXTSTeP with Linux is a red herring. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic whatsoever! Does "Groovie" even understand that in Darwin an IPC call is merely a function call? The Darwin and NeXTSTeP kernels are not comparable. Do some research before posting in such an apodictic fashion!
2) KDE is a joke, Gnome is a worse joke. You're obviously not a programmer or have a clue about UI design. Both KDE and gnome are full of flash and no substance. GNUstep is another matter, but I see you failed to mention it.
GUIs pay no dividends until all applications in one user environment not only look but also behave the same. Only then is it easier to use a GUI because then you don't have to learn an interface from scratch. There are two methods to get programmers to adhere to such standards, either publish them and only buy products which adhere to the explicit (and often implicit) UI conventions or create an OO application framework whereby each graphical component (in appearance and behavior) is abstracted from the actual code. Apple Macintosh implemented the former while NeXT OPENSTEP implemented the latter.
Neither KDE or Gnome implement either.
Another reason OS X is a billion times better than your Linux/KDE2 environment is the display server Quartz. Quartz is designed for desktop publishing. Anything seen can be printed (rendered) as PDF, PS, or raster. It also supports Color Sync so when I send a smoke image to an OS X user he will actually be able to see it which is less than I can say about a GIMP user I know.
Kind evangelism of crap doesn't get you respect unless it's about Linux on slashdot it seems! --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
While NetInfo has write privilages, it doesn't have rea privilages. This allows anybody to view the rood passwd, which is a simple crypt hash. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Speaking as a '6 macs 9 PCs running linux' user I agree with the sentiment. It's the same thing I used to say about DOS users in the 80s.
After looking at a self-proclaimed 'Pro' compiling and using GIMP I'm convinced it's the most expensive piece of graphics software ever created given that time is money. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Darwin has a better designed driver architecture, is better organized, and potentially a lot faster than FreeBSD--it's monolithic. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
It borrows some technologies from OpenStep like Cocoa and bundles, but it borrows a lot of stuff from MacOS as well as brand new stuff. The kernel is completely new, the display server is completely new, the driver architecture is completely new, etc. To say this is 'updated OpenStep' is misleading, you might as well say it's updated MacOS. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The federal government can survive on it's current excise taxes and tariffs alone if all unconstitutional functions were eliminated. Get rid of income taxes! The very idea that government has the right to your money before you do is slavery, and an infringement on your privacy and rights to your property.
Get rid of the SEC too. Without them there would be no loopholes like stock options which allows companies to avoid accounting such transactions as cost! Without the SEC 3rd parties would report TRUE earnings! --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Free OSs don't need a codec, they need a free version of the quicktime API allowing other quicktime codecs and applications to be ported to linux easily.
Also the QuickTime Player may suck, but that's only one player. The player is a simple application which tells quicktmie to play quicktime data or play a URL like rtsp://blah.com/somemovie.mov
People who complain about the player just don't get it. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Dude, throw out your TV, your computer, and all your other corporate media portals and leave us the hell alone.
By the way, in the real world pacifists die, and often. The only way to secure freedom is to kill those who would take it away from you. The problem with bullies isn't that they can get sticks, but they haven't had a good spanking. Trying to shield potential bullies from the truth that being a bully among pacifists is a gold mine won't help. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The USB hype is in no way an indicator of it's performance. USB is far more complex than firewire, and more importantly to Intel's bottom line USB requires a host PC.
Here is an excellent article outlining the fundamental problems with USB's design. Be fire to read the follow up article at the bottom:
http://www.mackido.com/Hardware/USB2.html --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The fundamental problem with *nix is the chaotic file structure. Darwin has done more to simplify this than any other *nix implementation.
Bundles:
Bundles are one way Darwin tackes this problem. Headers and libs are no longer disassociated, rather the library and headers are bundles together and placed in ordered locations according to their function. Kernel modules include a property list outlining their dependencies and what service they provide for problem-free use. The module loading daemon automatically loads modules when necessary. Startup items are also modules which allow for perfect ordering according to dependencies and load preference, plus they are all placed in a specific directory which allows easier editing of startup preferences.
XML:
Virtually all preferences by either system, services, or applications are in XML. This allows the preferences (located in a specific directory, of course) to be viewed with ease. No more hunting for the right.file in the home directory, then trying to decipher it. Every property list in a bundle can be an XML for easy editing as well.
NetInfo:
NetInfo solves the problem with the littered/etc/ directory. Instead of editing your various group, passwd, shadow, UID, etc. preferences in files littered about in your/etc/ directory this data is stored in a database which can be edited manually or by importing files inthe typical/etc/ format. There is also a method to authenticate a user without having read access to the passwd.
IOKit:
Drivers have been organized into a tree of hardware services. For example a USB to SCSI bridge uses a USB service and provides a SCSI service. It's very leet.
In summary I don't think the gnome people have done their research like GNUstep has. They started with an arrogant approch of re-inventing the squared off-center wheel and sometimes peeking at the chaos which is windows. Better to support the GNUstep project instead. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
TiVo was originally announced with firewire support, but they removed it to save $30. I would have been more interested in buying a TiVo or ReplayTV with firewire. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Hornet 2.0 could use multiple monitors. Put three side-by-side and you got panoramic view. Put one on top of the other the one below showed the controls. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I don't buy CDs and I don't use napster. Does that mean if I start using Napster I'm more likely to buy a CD? NO!
All this study says is people who listen to music have more interest in Napster. For more information read my article in "Duh!" magazine! --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
My primary fear in having X server in OS X is programmers will be more inclined to do lazy recompiles (and we all know UNIX programmers are lazy, and don't pretend otherwise) instead of porting to Cocoa or Carbon. Apple is having a hard enough time getting Cocoa and Carbon to behave alike (and so far, they are failing). I have little hope for Swing given that state of affairs. I have no fear with commercial X server solutions, but soon there will be a free one and if you think getting Cocoa to behave like a mac is difficult, getting X apps which follow no UI specification whatsoever to do so will be absolutely impossible.
Even though I do not invite it, I would have preferred a port of GTK or even WINE (which would allow windows programmers to recompile their apps without much change if any) than X server. I would even tolerate TclTk if given a choice between the two. Really, OS X can easily do well without ANY of these apps (oh no! without GTK I can't use X-chat or GIMP! I won't be able to use the worst graphics app on earth! How will I survive without an app which has no color calibration whatsoever!). I'm not a control freak who wants to stamp out freedom (which is against my libertarian philosophy) but rather think there are a lot of programmers who just don't understand the Macintosh software design philosophy. For example mac users and UNIX users often define multitasking differently. Mac users define it as allowing the user to do several things at once more efficiently while UNIX users tend to define it as the CPU doing several things efficiently (which leads to UNIX users calling mac users cop-outs, making excuses for their crummy OS).
The Macintosh design philosophy is based on the realization that the majority of the time wasted using computers has nothing to do with the CPU. It's figuring out how to do things like setup your printer, configure your preferences, learning a new application, finding and organizing your files, mounting your drives, upgrading your hardware, using applications together etc. X server itself is not the problem, but rather the fact X apps are in total chaos (the command line is less chaotic for crissakes...hell even windows freeware apps have more UI conformity, which is really putting X apps down in shame!) and the people who made them don't see a problem. I've heard enough morons talk about how quickly they can reconfigure preferences in vi compared to a graphical preferences panel. How many extra brain cells would it take to realize the major time lost is having to learn akward, esoteric file structures and locations, not to mention equally akward and esoteric text editors. Sure, I can use vi just fine however I value my time too much to memorize the configuration files of literally hundreds of applications when I could pay a little more and have a preferences panel. As a last resort I'll use a plist editor in OS X.
I question if Opera would have been ported to OS X if it already had X server. I doubt it. In fact I doubt the free software movement will ever get any polish, there is no incentive. Compare the heap of hackware we use daily on X server with the slightly more expensive heap of shareware mac users enjoy. They take the time to make their applications conform to the guidelines (informal and formal) and are rewarded for their efforts. There is also more competition where several utilities do similar functions, and the one with less hassle gets more attention and money,
Such a pity the free software community has abandoned GNUstep for flashy, less substantive application frameworks. Don't take it too hard however, it was inevitable given your background in DOS and UNIX. You remind me of stupid government economists (heh, if that term weren't redundant) where they like to measure things like CPU power and plot productivity, quite literally. You like to equate things and tot them up in a quantitative manner like GUI = window manager theme and other stupidity. Am I putting you down? Sorry if the truth hurts but what else can I say when somebody buys a machine that costs 1/2 as much initially but 3 times as much over the full course if it's use in terms of tech support (not including time lost and hairs lost). Also what can I say about people who call an OS free when time is money and so often ends up costing more.
I'm not a mac apologist and hopefully you're not all UNIX apologists so let's try to keep it real. If you're going to run OS X just to run X server along with a few nifty mac apps your productivity isn't going to change one iota. It's like running a mac emulator for crying out loud. If you want a more productive environment you have to swallow your pride and learn from the masters of user interface instead of reinventing the square mis-aligned wheel like KDE and gnome hackers (oh sorry, programmers) have. If we all fall into the X server pit of eternal frustration we'll all have crappy Opera browsers and total chaos. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I'm surprised Apple hasn't released any G4 optimized ciphers for use in VPNs. Any block cipher can be AltiVec optimized, and those stand-alone VPN routers are expensive. I'm sure Apple could sell quite a few G4s as VPN routers and/or secure servers.
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CDSA ought to be changed a bit so that one can make a CSM which is more suitable for packet encryption. Basically the encryting function ought to be a very lightweight function which is then encapsulated to make the CSM. This way you can use various ciphers with ipsec, SSH, etc. which are also available to CDSA and may have platform optimizations
--- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Not to sorry to see you go Corel, I just wish you didn't buy Metacreations stuff in a desparate attempt to make yourself more valuable.
You really screwed up when you decided to buy Wordperfect from Novell just for the name recignition. Now you ended up like Novell, a dead company after a buying spree. Your assumptions about the mac market were all screwed up too. Mac is a professional graphics platform, not a cheesy PC cheap-o DTP wannabe platform. You either make the best graphics apps and demand top dollar or don't bother. I use graphics apps like Photoshop and Canvas, but the ONLY app I ever wanted from Corel was Wordperfect, and you never delivered. Just as well...the Wordperfect you delivered to other platforms was more bloated than Office.
Good bye Corel, and don't ever come back.
--- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Eudora also uses it which is useful when you have several mailboxes like I do. If only Nifty SSH supported it as well then I wouldn't have to remember any passwords. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I'd rather compare X11 to display postscript or Quartz, but it even loses comparing it to quickdraw. X11 doesn't even have functions for common everyday actions like scrolling while quickdraw does have a function specifically for scrolling (which moves then copies). Quickdraw is also simpler, X11 is needlessly complex.
I refuse to compare window managers to a GUI since window managers are not a UI. As for GNOME and KDE they are all flash and no substance. Even dull and dry looking MacOS 7.1 is leaps and bounds over these two, and easier to program. That being said I would rather compare it to OpenStep which blows both out of the watter utterly. Pity you didn't even think to bring up GNUstep (at this point you're probably asking yourself "What is GNUstep?). --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I was a bit pissed that it didn't support keychain. They copied the option-click from iCab, which I don't mind, but they still don't support keychain which iCab does support. Keychain is a central repository of passwords and such which is held seperate from applications and is only given back if the user allows it. The keychain is encrypted to a file on disk with a passphrase (I believe with 128bit RC2, but you'll be able to use any cipher when Apple is finished adopting CDSA) then has a veriety of methods to lock the keychain like when you're idle or if you sleep the machine. It also keeps track of your trusted certificates. I don't think Mozilla supports keychain either, but Anarchie does, as does Apple for storing AppleShare passwords. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The primary problem with X isn't that it's the worst display server man ever created. The problem is X applications which are in total chaos. There are two methods to tackle this problem: the MacOS method and the NeXT method. In MacOS the toolbox doesn't force any programmer to follow any UI guidelines whatsoever. MacOS would have been in total chaos much like X except Apple published UI guidelines, and when a programmer failed to follow them Mac consumers would let them know in every way possible, even if they put a certain command in the wrong menu. FYI: UI guidelines have absolutely nothing to do with looks, or one's theme, or application switcher or window manager. Window manager does not a UI make. In NeXT programmers used an OO framework to build their applications, so they had little choice but to follow the UI guidelines. In fact you can replace the UI with another by moving the standard menu items around or changig how text is selected etc. The difficulty with X is nobody is going to use one application framework because UNIX programmers are lazy hackers who don't give a hoot about users. Truth is most X apps looke like Windows freeware. With all the millions of X toolkits (and programmers who don't even use toolkits) I do not see any way to use the NeXT model. The community's abandonment of GNUstep just about sums that up. The only solution that I can see if to write up or adopt some guidelines like menu item placement, ICON shape (although admittedly not all mac apps folloow Apple's guidelines which state applications ought to be diamon shaped, although I wish they did), text handling (unfortunately OpenStep and MacOS are almost completely different in every way text is handled, from the way arrow keys and pgdown/pgup/home/end are used to the way text is selected and the way the cursor is positioned), standard key shortcuts (I HATE the way windows apps use up the F-keys when I prefer to program these for global use!), etc. I don't know if we can adopt Apple's guidelines since they rely on so many tools available in the OS. For example all preferences are stored in a runtime-defined directory. All files have a type and creator allowing all file ICONs to display what app and what kind of file it is at the same time. There are other file attributes like 'kind'. Plus some things like drag+drop can't be universally had without a toolbox or framework. MacOS for example supports ubiquitous drag+drop text whereby any selected text is a draggable item. This can be implemented in OpenStep, and perhaps GTK but not in X generally. I guess they can adopt Apple's guidelines and programmers will just have to adopt the subset they are able to, not that I have much confidence that they will give the effort. After all most of them behave you shoud be thankful they program to begin with, and kiss thier feet no matter what a piece of crap it is. --- >80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
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1) Comparing NeXTSTeP with Linux is a red herring. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic whatsoever! Does "Groovie" even understand that in Darwin an IPC call is merely a function call? The Darwin and NeXTSTeP kernels are not comparable. Do some research before posting in such an apodictic fashion!
2) KDE is a joke, Gnome is a worse joke. You're obviously not a programmer or have a clue about UI design. Both KDE and gnome are full of flash and no substance. GNUstep is another matter, but I see you failed to mention it.
GUIs pay no dividends until all applications in one user environment not only look but also behave the same. Only then is it easier to use a GUI because then you don't have to learn an interface from scratch. There are two methods to get programmers to adhere to such standards, either publish them and only buy products which adhere to the explicit (and often implicit) UI conventions or create an OO application framework whereby each graphical component (in appearance and behavior) is abstracted from the actual code. Apple Macintosh implemented the former while NeXT OPENSTEP implemented the latter.
Neither KDE or Gnome implement either.
Another reason OS X is a billion times better than your Linux/KDE2 environment is the display server Quartz. Quartz is designed for desktop publishing. Anything seen can be printed (rendered) as PDF, PS, or raster. It also supports Color Sync so when I send a smoke image to an OS X user he will actually be able to see it which is less than I can say about a GIMP user I know.
Kind evangelism of crap doesn't get you respect unless it's about Linux on slashdot it seems!
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
While NetInfo has write privilages, it doesn't have rea privilages. This allows anybody to view the rood passwd, which is a simple crypt hash.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Speaking as a '6 macs 9 PCs running linux' user I agree with the sentiment. It's the same thing I used to say about DOS users in the 80s.
After looking at a self-proclaimed 'Pro' compiling and using GIMP I'm convinced it's the most expensive piece of graphics software ever created given that time is money.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Darwin has a better designed driver architecture, is better organized, and potentially a lot faster than FreeBSD--it's monolithic.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
It borrows some technologies from OpenStep like Cocoa and bundles, but it borrows a lot of stuff from MacOS as well as brand new stuff. The kernel is completely new, the display server is completely new, the driver architecture is completely new, etc. To say this is 'updated OpenStep' is misleading, you might as well say it's updated MacOS.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The federal government can survive on it's current excise taxes and tariffs alone if all unconstitutional functions were eliminated. Get rid of income taxes! The very idea that government has the right to your money before you do is slavery, and an infringement on your privacy and rights to your property.
Get rid of the SEC too. Without them there would be no loopholes like stock options which allows companies to avoid accounting such transactions as cost! Without the SEC 3rd parties would report TRUE earnings!
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
People whining about the price just don't get it
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Free OSs don't need a codec, they need a free version of the quicktime API allowing other quicktime codecs and applications to be ported to linux easily.
Also the QuickTime Player may suck, but that's only one player. The player is a simple application which tells quicktmie to play quicktime data or play a URL like rtsp://blah.com/somemovie.mov
People who complain about the player just don't get it.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Dude, throw out your TV, your computer, and all your other corporate media portals and leave us the hell alone. By the way, in the real world pacifists die, and often. The only way to secure freedom is to kill those who would take it away from you. The problem with bullies isn't that they can get sticks, but they haven't had a good spanking. Trying to shield potential bullies from the truth that being a bully among pacifists is a gold mine won't help.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The USB hype is in no way an indicator of it's performance. USB is far more complex than firewire, and more importantly to Intel's bottom line USB requires a host PC.
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Here is an excellent article outlining the fundamental problems with USB's design. Be fire to read the follow up article at the bottom:
http://www.mackido.com/Hardware/USB2.html
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The fundamental problem with *nix is the chaotic file structure. Darwin has done more to simplify this than any other *nix implementation.
.file in the home directory, then trying to decipher it. Every property list in a bundle can be an XML for easy editing as well.
/etc/ directory. Instead of editing your various group, passwd, shadow, UID, etc. preferences in files littered about in your /etc/ directory this data is stored in a database which can be edited manually or by importing files inthe typical /etc/ format. There is also a method to authenticate a user without having read access to the passwd.
Bundles:
Bundles are one way Darwin tackes this problem. Headers and libs are no longer disassociated, rather the library and headers are bundles together and placed in ordered locations according to their function. Kernel modules include a property list outlining their dependencies and what service they provide for problem-free use. The module loading daemon automatically loads modules when necessary. Startup items are also modules which allow for perfect ordering according to dependencies and load preference, plus they are all placed in a specific directory which allows easier editing of startup preferences.
XML:
Virtually all preferences by either system, services, or applications are in XML. This allows the preferences (located in a specific directory, of course) to be viewed with ease. No more hunting for the right
NetInfo:
NetInfo solves the problem with the littered
IOKit:
Drivers have been organized into a tree of hardware services. For example a USB to SCSI bridge uses a USB service and provides a SCSI service. It's very leet.
In summary I don't think the gnome people have done their research like GNUstep has. They started with an arrogant approch of re-inventing the squared off-center wheel and sometimes peeking at the chaos which is windows. Better to support the GNUstep project instead.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
TiVo was originally announced with firewire support, but they removed it to save $30. I would have been more interested in buying a TiVo or ReplayTV with firewire.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Hornet 2.0 could use multiple monitors. Put three side-by-side and you got panoramic view. Put one on top of the other the one below showed the controls.
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Doesn't it?
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I don't buy CDs and I don't use napster. Does that mean if I start using Napster I'm more likely to buy a CD? NO!
All this study says is people who listen to music have more interest in Napster. For more information read my article in "Duh!" magazine!
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I'm probably a bit late in posting this...oh well
My primary fear in having X server in OS X is programmers will be more inclined to do lazy recompiles (and we all know UNIX programmers are lazy, and don't pretend otherwise) instead of porting to Cocoa or Carbon. Apple is having a hard enough time getting Cocoa and Carbon to behave alike (and so far, they are failing). I have little hope for Swing given that state of affairs. I have no fear with commercial X server solutions, but soon there will be a free one and if you think getting Cocoa to behave like a mac is difficult, getting X apps which follow no UI specification whatsoever to do so will be absolutely impossible.
Even though I do not invite it, I would have preferred a port of GTK or even WINE (which would allow windows programmers to recompile their apps without much change if any) than X server. I would even tolerate TclTk if given a choice between the two. Really, OS X can easily do well without ANY of these apps (oh no! without GTK I can't use X-chat or GIMP! I won't be able to use the worst graphics app on earth! How will I survive without an app which has no color calibration whatsoever!). I'm not a control freak who wants to stamp out freedom (which is against my libertarian philosophy) but rather think there are a lot of programmers who just don't understand the Macintosh software design philosophy. For example mac users and UNIX users often define multitasking differently. Mac users define it as allowing the user to do several things at once more efficiently while UNIX users tend to define it as the CPU doing several things efficiently (which leads to UNIX users calling mac users cop-outs, making excuses for their crummy OS).
The Macintosh design philosophy is based on the realization that the majority of the time wasted using computers has nothing to do with the CPU. It's figuring out how to do things like setup your printer, configure your preferences, learning a new application, finding and organizing your files, mounting your drives, upgrading your hardware, using applications together etc. X server itself is not the problem, but rather the fact X apps are in total chaos (the command line is less chaotic for crissakes...hell even windows freeware apps have more UI conformity, which is really putting X apps down in shame!) and the people who made them don't see a problem. I've heard enough morons talk about how quickly they can reconfigure preferences in vi compared to a graphical preferences panel. How many extra brain cells would it take to realize the major time lost is having to learn akward, esoteric file structures and locations, not to mention equally akward and esoteric text editors. Sure, I can use vi just fine however I value my time too much to memorize the configuration files of literally hundreds of applications when I could pay a little more and have a preferences panel. As a last resort I'll use a plist editor in OS X.
I question if Opera would have been ported to OS X if it already had X server. I doubt it. In fact I doubt the free software movement will ever get any polish, there is no incentive. Compare the heap of hackware we use daily on X server with the slightly more expensive heap of shareware mac users enjoy. They take the time to make their applications conform to the guidelines (informal and formal) and are rewarded for their efforts. There is also more competition where several utilities do similar functions, and the one with less hassle gets more attention and money,
Such a pity the free software community has abandoned GNUstep for flashy, less substantive application frameworks. Don't take it too hard however, it was inevitable given your background in DOS and UNIX. You remind me of stupid government economists (heh, if that term weren't redundant) where they like to measure things like CPU power and plot productivity, quite literally. You like to equate things and tot them up in a quantitative manner like GUI = window manager theme and other stupidity. Am I putting you down? Sorry if the truth hurts but what else can I say when somebody buys a machine that costs 1/2 as much initially but 3 times as much over the full course if it's use in terms of tech support (not including time lost and hairs lost). Also what can I say about people who call an OS free when time is money and so often ends up costing more.
I'm not a mac apologist and hopefully you're not all UNIX apologists so let's try to keep it real. If you're going to run OS X just to run X server along with a few nifty mac apps your productivity isn't going to change one iota. It's like running a mac emulator for crying out loud. If you want a more productive environment you have to swallow your pride and learn from the masters of user interface instead of reinventing the square mis-aligned wheel like KDE and gnome hackers (oh sorry, programmers) have. If we all fall into the X server pit of eternal frustration we'll all have crappy Opera browsers and total chaos.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I'm surprised Apple hasn't released any G4 optimized ciphers for use in VPNs. Any block cipher can be AltiVec optimized, and those stand-alone VPN routers are expensive. I'm sure Apple could sell quite a few G4s as VPN routers and/or secure servers.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
CDSA ought to be changed a bit so that one can make a CSM which is more suitable for packet encryption. Basically the encryting function ought to be a very lightweight function which is then encapsulated to make the CSM. This way you can use various ciphers with ipsec, SSH, etc. which are also available to CDSA and may have platform optimizations
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Not to sorry to see you go Corel, I just wish you didn't buy Metacreations stuff in a desparate attempt to make yourself more valuable.
You really screwed up when you decided to buy Wordperfect from Novell just for the name recignition. Now you ended up like Novell, a dead company after a buying spree. Your assumptions about the mac market were all screwed up too. Mac is a professional graphics platform, not a cheesy PC cheap-o DTP wannabe platform. You either make the best graphics apps and demand top dollar or don't bother. I use graphics apps like Photoshop and Canvas, but the ONLY app I ever wanted from Corel was Wordperfect, and you never delivered. Just as well...the Wordperfect you delivered to other platforms was more bloated than Office.
Good bye Corel, and don't ever come back.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Then in 20 years sue the company for 2 tons of gold
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
Eudora also uses it which is useful when you have several mailboxes like I do. If only Nifty SSH supported it as well then I wouldn't have to remember any passwords.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I'd rather compare X11 to display postscript or Quartz, but it even loses comparing it to quickdraw. X11 doesn't even have functions for common everyday actions like scrolling while quickdraw does have a function specifically for scrolling (which moves then copies). Quickdraw is also simpler, X11 is needlessly complex.
I refuse to compare window managers to a GUI since window managers are not a UI. As for GNOME and KDE they are all flash and no substance. Even dull and dry looking MacOS 7.1 is leaps and bounds over these two, and easier to program. That being said I would rather compare it to OpenStep which blows both out of the watter utterly. Pity you didn't even think to bring up GNUstep (at this point you're probably asking yourself "What is GNUstep?).
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
I was a bit pissed that it didn't support keychain. They copied the option-click from iCab, which I don't mind, but they still don't support keychain which iCab does support. Keychain is a central repository of passwords and such which is held seperate from applications and is only given back if the user allows it. The keychain is encrypted to a file on disk with a passphrase (I believe with 128bit RC2, but you'll be able to use any cipher when Apple is finished adopting CDSA) then has a veriety of methods to lock the keychain like when you're idle or if you sleep the machine. It also keeps track of your trusted certificates. I don't think Mozilla supports keychain either, but Anarchie does, as does Apple for storing AppleShare passwords.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The primary problem with X isn't that it's the worst display server man ever created. The problem is X applications which are in total chaos. There are two methods to tackle this problem: the MacOS method and the NeXT method. In MacOS the toolbox doesn't force any programmer to follow any UI guidelines whatsoever. MacOS would have been in total chaos much like X except Apple published UI guidelines, and when a programmer failed to follow them Mac consumers would let them know in every way possible, even if they put a certain command in the wrong menu. FYI: UI guidelines have absolutely nothing to do with looks, or one's theme, or application switcher or window manager. Window manager does not a UI make. In NeXT programmers used an OO framework to build their applications, so they had little choice but to follow the UI guidelines. In fact you can replace the UI with another by moving the standard menu items around or changig how text is selected etc. The difficulty with X is nobody is going to use one application framework because UNIX programmers are lazy hackers who don't give a hoot about users. Truth is most X apps looke like Windows freeware. With all the millions of X toolkits (and programmers who don't even use toolkits) I do not see any way to use the NeXT model. The community's abandonment of GNUstep just about sums that up. The only solution that I can see if to write up or adopt some guidelines like menu item placement, ICON shape (although admittedly not all mac apps folloow Apple's guidelines which state applications ought to be diamon shaped, although I wish they did), text handling (unfortunately OpenStep and MacOS are almost completely different in every way text is handled, from the way arrow keys and pgdown/pgup/home/end are used to the way text is selected and the way the cursor is positioned), standard key shortcuts (I HATE the way windows apps use up the F-keys when I prefer to program these for global use!), etc. I don't know if we can adopt Apple's guidelines since they rely on so many tools available in the OS. For example all preferences are stored in a runtime-defined directory. All files have a type and creator allowing all file ICONs to display what app and what kind of file it is at the same time. There are other file attributes like 'kind'. Plus some things like drag+drop can't be universally had without a toolbox or framework. MacOS for example supports ubiquitous drag+drop text whereby any selected text is a draggable item. This can be implemented in OpenStep, and perhaps GTK but not in X generally. I guess they can adopt Apple's guidelines and programmers will just have to adopt the subset they are able to, not that I have much confidence that they will give the effort. After all most of them behave you shoud be thankful they program to begin with, and kiss thier feet no matter what a piece of crap it is.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
The difference being Windows and Mac have GUIs while X only has G.
Hell, even the command line is less chaotic than X
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent