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News Dragonball Z Starts Today, Plus Anime Bits
Of course DBZ is shunned by the hardcore anime fans, but I enjoy it (20 minutes of soap opera every evening on my tivo *grin*) and have been bored all summer with the reruns. But all that changes today at 5pm when Cartoon Network begins airing the 77 episode Android Saga.
Planet Namek has also confirmed that the remaining 174 DBZ episodes have also been purchased by CN. Also, the very cool site AnimeOnDvd.com has a list of Anime on DVD which includes DBZ, Tenchi, and Battle Athletes (I've recently started rewatching battle athletes while I wait for the next Bebop and Trigun, and I'm enjoying even more the second time through. Super happy fluffy, but highly entertaining). Oh, and Cowboy Bebop #5 is out tomorrow. Yum.
I bet there is some real sublime hidden messages in there you could see with the freeze frame.
Most companies, especially Pioneer and ADV Films, are infamous for pushing back release dates because the DVD release needed more work or was behind schedule. The best way to find out exactly when a DVD comes out, is to see it physically on the store shelves.
Not ragging on anime or DVDs, as I enjoy both, just wish that companies would take a bit more precaution in their release dates with items that constantly show to have problems. Would make the fans happier to wait a month with a release date that doesn't change, than hearing more than one release date for their favourite products.
Here's to many more great series to make it to DVD! (Hey, um, where's that Escaflowne DVD box yet??? (: )
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Human nature is the same everywhere; the modes only are different. -- Earl of Chesterfield
I wouldn't say that. The dub is embarassingly bad (especially that damned opening song), but that hasn't stopped me from watching it. They didn't hack the storyline to pieces like the Fox Escaflowne dub.
I mean, where else can you watch a 3-month fight scene? Remember, it was originally a weekly series.
Hell, just last week (where I'm watching, anyway) there was a 3-episode fireball attack. Where else can you get strung along on one attack like that for so long?
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Hey, where else can we find a show whose episodes consist of:
85% antagonists facing off with occasional yelling
13% jumping towards each other
2% action
All done with about 43 total frames of animation per episode. You gotta admit, they must make this show with pocket change... now that's efficient!
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Come on CmdrTaco, is there anybody here who is older than 12 and enjoys Dragonball Z ? ...
I thought it was 'News for Nerd' not 'News for Kids'
Anyway, don't take my little rant too seriously.
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For a second there, I thought it said "Dragonballz"
.When one looks at the stories that never made it onto the front page when this one did, it is hard not to criticise the editorial judgement being used here. By the way, according to the "lameness filter", this post appears to be ASCII art; is Taco a surrealist?
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Let me know when they have hentai animae on dvd.
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Would you people just please give it up? If you don't like anime, then don't read these topics! Just because you don't like something doesn't mean no one else should. You're a nerd (or so I would suppose by you frequenting a site whose motto is "News for nerds. Stuff that matters," so I would expect you to know what it's like being interested in things that a lot of other people aren't. And yes, there are a lot of nerds who like anime. I know many. So remember this before you complain about people excersising their right to communicate.
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Anime DVDs are NOT made by members of the MPAA. Most Anime DVDs aren't CSS'd either.
The people commenting against the MPAA aren't always the people buying up all the DVDs. You presently have no way of tracking the people that buy them and those that are against the MPAA.
Dual layer DVDs already have a capacity of just under 10 gigabytes now. Dual sided dual layer DVDs hold 18 Gigabytes.
Right now, there's not a whole lot hard drives that hold more than 18GB, the new, larger hard drives have only come around in the last year, the DVD format was designed in 1996.
The only rationalization I can come to is that since these aren't made by the studios in the MPAA they are actually spending a good amount of the money that the DVD costs to actually MAKE it ( gasp!), eg, licensing fees, cost to create the dvd, etc ...
The only other thing that can be said is this actually helps your case against the MPAA. Without any DVDs, they can say "These people are just talking theoricial talk!" .. when you have a dvd , you can say "No, I have a dvd that I want to watch in linux!". This, of course, is a very gray area to tread in. If I knew the right answer I'd do that, but I don't think there is one.
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I was really excited and expected to see motorola had improved its dragonball processors ... Then I realized this post has nothing to do with anything
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Is it News for Nerds? Yes. Is it News for You? No. Nerds come in all shapes and varieties, which means you can go to your preferences and select the type of nerd you want to be. It is when the entire Slashdot community says a story shouldn't be here that there is a problem. But when a significant number respond and like the story, I guess that is a good determinate it belongs.
If this is a response to the fact this story got put up while others did not, well, all I can say is there are many other sites like this and worse comes to worse you can grab the slashcode and put up your own site with editorial control over the stories.
This is not the way to build a lasting empire.
That was the real killer. It really, really sucked.
But even after that, they casually give away all sorts of things that are supposed to be shocking revelations. They don't seem to have any regard for the mystery and suspense that was a big part of the original.
(I hate the new music, too. It's disrespectful to play technocrap in the Escaflowne temple.)
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Cartoon Network is a Time-Warner company. Your movement of piracy is cutting into our profits. If you do not stop now, we will stop airing the remaining of the DBZ episodes; we will stop those episodes from releasing on DVD and VHS, (except maybe Betamax and divx pay-per-view); we will censor your cartoon network and your tivo too; and we will play the reruns of the worst DBZ episode everyday!
Anyway.
I recently rented Ghost In The Shell DVD and just finished watching it. Being a big fan of anime, or at least a moderately big one, I was unimpressed. The sound was amazing, the action sequences (what, all three?) were good, but it seemed strung-out, over-long and the music after ten minutes kinda got annoying. I know this is one of those 'top-notch' anime movies, and while I thought Akira was a masterpiece, this seems like some pretty CG and interesting story wrapped around too-long shots of the city and that annoying soundtrack.
What I would like to do is hear what other people's definition of 'good anime'. What makes good anime? What makes DBZ so great? Or so bad? I would love to hear from the thousands of /.'s who regularly watch this sort of thing.
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Watch the karma plummet faster than Christina Aguilera on Carson Daly...
It's great and all that CN is showing new episodes of (butchered) Dbz, but for those of us with DirecTV and have the Action Channel, there's plenty of better anime showing all day today. Probably all dub, but still...
As for DVD, I'm slowly waiting on Eva, and now Cowboy Bebop (addict in one day, since I bought Session 1). Apparently there's something tough about putting Eva to dvd, since ADV is really getting delayed. I only hope it means it'll be better. Tenchi on dvd... already got the Tenchi Muyo! DVD boxed set, not gonna bother with the others...
By no means is this even close to the upper echelon of anime.
Of course not. I'm not arguing that many anime fans consider it one of the best, just that they watch it anyway.
Despite everybody bitching about how bad it is, most of the guys I talk to who have joined anime watching clubs, get fansubs, and have large personal collections of anime still watch Dragonball Z. After all, it is anime piped conveniently into their homes, even if it is butchered.
People are lazy. 9 times out of 10, they'd rather have hot dogs served to them than go get steak themselves.
I think this is a case of the silent majority acting differently than the highly vocal minority.
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What a completely myoptic, ignorant point of view. The Japanese have very little to do with Anime arriving on our shores. Fuji TV and Colombia have had little interest in exporting DBZ or any other anime. I for one am pleased that I can watch it here, thought the dubbing is admittedly poor. I am also glad I was able to watch it in Japan, where people don't misinterpret animation with the vigor that you seem to. It's fun. Enjoy it. Don't try so hard to find fault and proclaim yourself better than the average bear.
I don't know if DragonBallZ has something to do with Slashdot or not - the fact is that DBZ is a damn good cartoon... Japs are the best in cartoons showing the real personality of human beings (or some creatures too...). The only good american cartoon is X-Men... DBZ, like all japanese cartoons, show that the fight between good and evil is far beyond some sucker trying to rule the world just because he was born bad, or because he is ugly, and heroes are athleic guys... There's more in life than that... Think about that, fans of american cartoons... DBZ is one of the best cartoons of all times - maybe not in US, but it is for sure in the rest of the world. And the new Android Saga is too damn cool !
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Having lived in Japan for some time, I can confirm it is an almost absurdly non-violent society.
DBZ does have all the basic hero-myth themes - in spades.
If one were to honestly say that DBZ or animation like it promotes violence in their society, they had better take a long hard look at what is so wrong with where and when they live.
Once again people are going to look overseas for the cause of their problems.
No. It turned out my child was watching this series at a friend's house, and explained it to me. I know how children perceive this first hand.
They actually have much less violence over there [Japan] than we do here - and a lot more respect for life in general to boot. Personally, I think some of this comes from the fact that they don't feel the need to tell their children that violence doesn't exist - they don't shield their kids from it - so their kids learn about it - as well as the consequences involved.
Japan, where they invented tentacle hentai? The world capital of child porn? Now I'm supposed to let the Japanese dictate what is right for my child and what isn't?
And how do our western societies "shield" children from violence? It's all over the fucking media, for Christ's sake.
I think what really hurts our youth today is the lack of truly noble role-models - not the portrayal of violence on TV.
This statement of yours is put in very bad light by your comments below. I'll get back to it.
Many parents would rather blame their kids violent actions on a violent cartoon rather than the fact that they never *discussed* violence with their kids. If parents would stand up and *be* the role-models for their kids - they wouldn't have to look elsewhere for commercial role-models
It's not like children have to look elsewhere for role models-- the huge media corporations, which have such an inordinate power in shaping our culture, bombbard them with it everywhere. If they want to have friends in school, if they want to play with them, they have to participate in the same sort of games and watch the same TV shows-- participate in the representation of violence-- otherwise they are ridiculed and rejected.
There are redeeming qualities of DBZ, if you'd bother to look for them. DBZ has the time-honoured good vs. evil theme - the hero is noble and kind-hearted to a fault, fighting only when given no choice in the situation, or challenged (martial artist honor).
Please. This is a simplistic, ideological portrayal. There are no "good" people, or "bad" people. We are all just internally conflicted sinners, with the calling of God to establish His Kingdom.
This kind of simplistic, "good vs. evil" mentality is a tool of the ruling class to brainwash us into thinking it is O.K. to hurt the "evil" people. Whenever a war comes about, this is the argument that is pulled out-- "The Germans/Japanese are evil, they want to spread evil all over the world, we would rather not fight, but we have to fight and kill them. Show no mercy-- they are evil."
The real world is, of course, more complex than that. As the expression says, "War is a bunch of young men who don't know each other killing each other, for the benefit of a few old mean who know each other, but don't kill each other" (sounds kinda awkward translated to English, but in French it sounds all right).
And that "martial artist honor" thing is just an euphemism for chauvinistic my-dick-is-bigger than-yours penis waving. As Christ said, turn the other cheek.
Well, there's La Blue Girl, Midnight Panther, Urotsukudoji, Venus 5, Best of Kitty...
There's enough Hentai Anime on DVD to whet your whistle, and wet... well... (:
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Human nature is the same everywhere; the modes only are different. -- Earl of Chesterfield
What the hell does anime have to news for nerds?
Please refer to the second portion of the Slashdot catchphrase, entitled "Stuff That Matters."
No, this doesn't mean "Stuff That Matters To YOU' - it's Stuff That Matters to the Slashdot crew (which the occasional Bay Area party announcements would fall under) as well as what News and Stuff that the Slashdot crew think would be of interest to a significant number of members of this 'community'.
Personally, I don't care for all the articles on the latest insignificant upgrades to some operating system or server software that I'm never going to use, but I certainly wouldn't proclaim that such stories have no place here. Heck, I even browse them on occasion so I might actually learn something interesting! Perhaps approaching Slashdot without the mindset that it all has to be about your definition of 'nerds' or what you think is important would help in your tolerance.
Then again, there's always the preference customization that is available to every logged in user, which allows people not to see those story categories that they don't care for. Basically, if you don't like a certain category of articles, don't read them.
This rather silly troll actually gives me a chance to ask about something relevant.
I rented the first couple of episodes of Neon Genesis: Evangelion not too long ago, and found it the silliest, most pretentions Power Rangers crap I'd seen in a long time. (I know Evangelion is sacred to many fans, but this is honestly not a troll.) I was not impressed by the extremely overdone, half-baked religious references, either. (Angels? Flaming crosses? Can we be any more subtle?) My question for anime fans here, is, should I bother? Does it get any better after the first tape?
I could just be spoiled, being currently in the middle of Cowboy Bebop and Lain, myself (and being a huge fan of Escaflowne - the series and to a smaller degree the movie). But the first episodes of NG:E didn't really leave me with much desire to see the rest.
I have done no such thing, my brother.
There is one root cause for social problems-- the departure from the ways of God. Its personal manifestation is sin, and its social manifestation is the class war.
In the scheme of things, Japanese anime is just a symptom.
It seems like the heroes and their enemies reach the ULTIMATE POWER LEVEL in every single episode of DBZ. It's as if the writers want to make every episode have the hugest climax possible.
First of all, being a current CS student (at a seriously good CS school), I can tell you that half the nerds I know are into anime. It's one of those things, like Star Wars and Legos, that just has that "geek cool" to it.
Second, go to your damn preferences and exclude the anime topic if you don't want to hear about it.
Third, read the FAQ, where this exact question is addressed. Slashdot is under no obligation to confine itself to what you find interesting.
Fourth, someone says this for every anime topic that gets posted, so SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.
You know how the vast majority of the anime characters are anglos, with exageratedly big eyes... If we made cartoons with little yellow people with squinty eyes, just imagine the uproar! I can't imagine ANYONE choosing to watch this when there's fine American (USA) fare like Scooby Doo, Fat Albert, and of course, Simpsons. Futurama is pretty good too.
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Scooby Doo is the biggest pile of shit in animation history. I can't figure out why the hell anyone watches it, except that some moron decided it was "retro" and therefore cool.
Hint: if something's only cool because it's retro, it blows. This has been the case for Scooby Doo, the Brady Bunch, bell bottoms, those stupid calf-length tight pants girls wear, Grease, disco... the list goes on.
In theory, one could do narration, perhaps using the plot synopsis at Planet Namek or any other reputable DBZ site. By combining this with digitally fast forwarded episodes, one could condense multiple sagas into only a few hours, without losing any content whatsoever!
Really though, it would take all the fun out of watching 3 hour long combat scenes.
I don't get CN on the cable system at my college, so I'm rather bummed that I'll be missing all this. Anyone know any sites with good episode-by-episode synopsies?
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Well, I've just started collecting anime on DVD, and my guess is that it will completely destroy the laser disc and VHS markets within a year. Animeigo has already announced that they're going 100% DVD and I'm guessing others will follow suit. Anime fans tend to be a bit geeky and so have the latest toys like DVD players. Also, there is a huge advantage in including dubbed and subtitled versions on the same DVD. No more mulitple versions. You can even watch the Japanese unsubtitled if you want! (on most discs). Adding other subtitle tracks like French is very easy as well, increasing the market. Plus there's the fact that anime DVD's look awesome on my new XBR400. I doubt I will ever buy another VHS tape of anything. I don't even have my VCR hooked up to the TV anymore.
Not all Anime is the greatest example of animation, but for the most part, what makes it so popular is the PLOT.
How many American cartoons have plot? How many actually show important "cast" members dying (unlike the Star Trek red shirts)? At least most anime doesn't suffer from what I call the "G.I. Joe Syndrom" where noone ever dies or is hurt; they just jump out of danger at the last possible second.
Although it's old and the animation isn't spectacular by today's standards, I think Starblazers/Space Cruiser Yamato is one of the finest examples of Anime to ever grace our Yankee boob tubes. The sub was excellently done and there was a real plot. Imagine that; a plot! A plot in *ANY* U.S. TV show is as rare as 5 legged albino dog.
Name one American cartoon that portrays the pain and concequences of violence like Starblazers did and I'll send you a free computer (a broken Sinclair).
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If you want your kids to not be under any of these "bad influences", then unplug the TV and throw it out the window. TV execs don't give a rat's rump roast about values. Nor should they. The only reason TV is around is to MAKE MONEY. Sure, there are shows out there like Sesame Street that cater to children and good influences, and there is PBS that is not-for-profit TV, but the rest of it isn't. TV is supposed to be entertaining. There's a lot of ways to be entertained, and if you don't want your children to see these methods of entertainment, then, by all means, DON'T LET THEM. I see too many parents just plopping their kids in front of the TV when they need to be pacified. And then the parents complain when their active parenting tool is a "bad influence". Yes, I'm ranting. The point is: Parents should be the final arbiter of what their children see on TV. *huff, puff* I need to catch my breath.
PS: I wonder why I can't use <u> tags....
Apparently there are many of us anime fans in the geek world. Some anime fan engineer at Motorola managed to get them to name a uP "DragonBall" fercrissakes! Team Anime Expo (convention in LA) is ranked 73rd on SETI@Home (6 spots higher than Team Slashdot). Hell, the first User Friendly animated short had an anime reference in it.
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your king. Well this is the first place I have admitted it my brother is the voice actor for Cell. His name is Dameon Clarke. Does the fact I have a animation cell from Akira on my wall count(Kaneda if you care)?
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It's amazing what a little 16MHz processor in a Palm can do these days; 20 minutes of animated video is no mean feat for a palmtop.
Oh wait, you mean the anime is called "Dragonball Z"?
For crying out loud, can anybody just consider this another reminder that the new DBZ episodes are on, that the show has great kick ass fight sequences, and to go watch it when it shows (depending on your time zone).
End of story, no need for debates about ethics or morals, no need for "My anime show is better then your anime show" and no need for "DBZ sucks".
Just watch the thing if you like it, and if you don't like it, don't watch it! Simple as that.
People spend more time writting complaints about the news stories on Slashdot then it takes to read the stories! Sheesh, talk about a waste of their time. . . .
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Has anyone out there watched (or read) the original Dragon Ball series? An infinitely better one IMHO. Perhaps we should have a poll to see how many of us here have indeed seen both...
For those who are proclaiming that voilence is bad (to put it bluntly) the original series was much more about adventure, with and Goku's innocence above all else (at least, that's what I remember from over a decade ago). Rescuing Gigi from the vampires with his most powerful attack being only a flash of light comes to mind...
Karma makes sense. It makes a lot more sense if you add reincarnation.
Is there any way to watch all these shows slashdot is mentioning outside of the USA? A nice unknown satelite perhaps? or an internet broadcaster? Anything? It is realy annoying to hear about just another show I can never see!
shunned by the hardcore anime fans perhaps it's got something to do with it being on around the same time as sailor moon and pokémon? (UK anyway)
Those cheesy repetitive plotlines might infect adjacant anime and spread!
Yeah, that one where Homer and the guy who tries to adopt Bart fight it out all over Springfield is a classic.....i just dont know why Homer didnt use his Big Bang Attack.....that woulda flattened that guys ass for sure! Heheheh..... what a kickass short something like Gohan vs Bart would make!
One of my cousins does voices for shows, commercials, etc. She's doing the voice for a little girl character (I'm not going to say the name here because I honestly don't know what the slimeba^Wlawyers would do) for at least one episode scheduled to air in October.
According to her, doing that first DBZ episode was fun, but it's a seriously weird show. I've seen two episodes, and I have to agree with her. Euch.
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Well, this whole discussion can be summarized pretty well by the moderation as of this post
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Why would somebody attach a negative comment to a story that they claim they didn't want to read in the first place?
If anyone has a DSS system or access to the Action Channel, they're running an anime marathon all Labor Day. Caught some good ones I've never heard of, like 'Darkside Blues'.
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DragonBall fans will totally dig this site:
DragonBall Quake - mod for Quake 3: Arena.
I plan to help them out with some maps and music, after I'm done with work on PainKeep Arena.
ummmmm, i do, you coward.....leave /. already....
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I still think that this sounds like the name of an old AC/DC song.
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There's a hidden scene in AIKa. If you freeze frame through the scene where she's whirling through the air, you can see her panties! Buy it now before they edit out the panty scene!
Maybe you should switch to decaf?
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They great hting about the way the CN does these shows is that they play the end narration "Will Gku defeat Freeza?!!!!" and then, two seconds later, they display the title of tommorow's episode, which is entitled "Freeza Defeated!" My absolute favorite was the chilled narration about "Did Goku survive the destruction of Planet Namek?" and then: tommorow's ep title: "Goku's ALIVE!"
I have the majority of the episodes. Get at me! obabalol@bayou.uh.edu
I've watched the subbed episodes on tape, and they do the same thing. I've always had this feeling that if you could combine the intro sequence and the next episode promo for each episode it'd be just as good as the full thing..
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Actually, you should get the graphic novel from Dark Horse. I was pretty unimpressed with the movie, but once I read the graphic novel I was absolutely shocked that the movie had so much coolness cut out of it.
It's much funnier, much deeper, and like Shirow's manga tends to be, it makes a lot more sense.
As for episodes, just about every POS DB/DBZ site will give you episode synopses, or you can just go to IRC and download the episodes yourself (dalnet/#DBZIRC is a start).
You're welcome.
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Code-free dvd players. Some Macrovision free as well. Fully legal, apparently, as several makers (including MPAA member Sony!) are shipping them.
It's nice how the (mostly) free market works. Looks like Pioneer has found that customers know no borders...
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DBZ has been in reruns for far too long, I am happy to see that CN has purchased the rest of the series so I can watch with utter joy,
And yes I know that it will be horibly cut and the voices are crap but It's the only why I can see it. Before you start telling me to go buy the dubed uncut version let me tell you something, that is too damn expensive!! I get uncut versions of movies because that is a one time thing, can you imagine how mutch it would cost to get the entire DBZ series. I am in college so I don't have that kind of dough to spend on anime.
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Yeah, you're right about Batman, dude... Batman is a super-well-produced cartoon, just like "Spiderman Unlimited",but that's not the point. Of course, there are lots of good-quality american cartoons (and I like them), but my point isn't the quality of those cartoons, but their content. Look at cartoons like Batman, Spiderman, Superman and others - heroes are alike, concerning to their personalities, and bad guys too ! In american cartoons, bad guys are bad guys forever - it seems they're not humans... we tend to change the way we though along our lives. Thats exactly what happens in japanese cartoons - all of them - bad guys aren't really "bad" guys; they just try to defend their positions, but along the way, they change of side, 'cos characters think... I mean, it's not that "I'm bad 'cos I was born bad, and everyone will pay for that" crap that american bad guys say every single episode... In X-Men, we can find some "old fashion bad guys" like those, but Magneto, for example, is not a bad guy... That's the difference I was trying to point out. Got it ?
So, I don't know if you are just dumb or what, but message boards aren't supposed to cater to YOU, if you don't like a post, don't read it! I love most the info on Slashdot including the anime but the few things I don't like I ignore. These message boards are for users of this site to talk about about whatever they want! Also aren't Christians supposed to not swear? I'm an Atheist so I could be wrong but... Oh and one more thing: suck my FUCKING DICK ASSHOLE!!! Robin