It should be better with 8.2 or 9.0, whatever they are calling it. Supposedly adding the ability to run metro-style apps in a window, and other improvements for the desktop. 8.1 is already fine on the desktop, I don't spend much time with metro apps as it is.
Extrapolated a bit to get to 120 million, but if it's not there, it's close. Yes, Win7 has been a bigger hit on the marketplace, but 110 million is not a small number by any means.
So yes, hyperbole on your part is an accurate description.
Should point out that Win8 has over 120 million active users. Not saying that every one of those people love the tile interface, but it's not exactly the bomb you think it is.
Also, as rolfwind pointed out, many mobile devices are reaching PC levels of resolution. Obviously the bitdepth is quite a bit higher, and you can't expect UI elements that work on the desktop to work on mobile (and vice versa), but actual screen resolution is reaching parity, and is certainly not "several orders of magnitude" different.
Finally, I think you will in fact find that convergence will occur, simply due to convenience and economics. I see no reason why an 8 inch device or higher can't use a desktop OS, a la Win8 tablets. Smaller devices like phones are perhaps a different story, but Windows Phone 8 is already using the WinNT kernel, with it's own UI on top. It can work; there will be growing pains, but it does make sense eventually.
And here I was under the impression that everything in science was always up for grabs. This is just the mag trying to silence dissent. I happen to agree with evolution but I have no problem debating it with people who do not. Nor do I believe evolution is settled science, we continue to learn a great deal and there is always a possibility of some groundbreaking new development to come along and rock the whole foundation.
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS EVOLUTION TO BE LIKELY THAN THE OPPOSITE!! It really is not worth the time to debate this subject, but people like you mistakenly think it is. If people would stop believing bullshit, and move on to focus on solutions to problems, the world would absolutely be a better place.
The problem is, comments give voice to people who lack the experience in a field to truly opine on a subject, and help sway people to wrong conclusions. So many people, as the article points out, mistakenly think that things like evolution and human-caused climate change aren't real, even though there are reams of evidence and hundreds of highly-experienced scientists that have shown otherwise. For a publication like Popular Science, it really is more important to be right, than to give a voice to dissenters who argue what they think is real, rather than what the data and models show to actually be most likely. It's sad, but Popular Science is doing the right thing here. Let this be a lesson to all the mistaken and misinformed blowhards out there--your ignorance is hurting more than just yourself.
"Which you could do on an Android tablet for much less"
Actually, $350 compares quite favorably to 10" Android tablets, pricewise. And you get Office. Not saying it's the best choice for everybody, but it's certainly got a niche.
You had me until "drop the price by half". Power is not cheap. The Surface Pro has an SSD, nice 1080p screen, digitizer pen input, i5 processor, very nice hardware... just not going to find those for less than $700-800, even in a standard laptop. Yet you want it to cost the same an iPad?
If you need a new laptop, and want a tablet, then the Surface Pro absolutely makes sense. If you already have a consumption tablet, and a decent laptop/desktop, it will probably be too expensive.
Uh, just tried this on my Lumia 920, you just long-press on any message you want. Three options: "Copy, Forward, Delete". As least find something else to lie about.
It's not that hard to use iTunes with Windows Phone. Many people do it. Also, MS has already said all WP8 devices will be upgradeable to WP8.1 and beyond.
Yes, Windows Mobile was pretty bad. I used it, but only recommended it to tech-savvy friends, and even then with reservations.
Windows Phone, OTOH, is a big breath of fresh air, as far as the UI is concerned. Needs some iteration and added features, but it's a good product with good potential, simply put. Hopefully MS doesn't give up on it.
Windows Phone is indeed struggling a bit in the saturated US smartphone market, but it's doing much better elsewhere. This was the first hit for a Google news search for "windows phone sales"; try not to cherry pick your sources next time.
We spend almost 4 orders of magnitude more on subsidizing the digging of stuff out of the earth, so we can burn it. On subsidizing the most profitable corporations in the history of mankind. Hurray us.
Thank you for bringing some facts, even if you are downgraded for it. The PC market is pretty well saturated, so it's quite understandable for it to slow. Doesn't mean people will suddenly stop using Windows though.
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Awww, poor AC can't handle reality slapping him in the face. You voted for a shithead, congrats.
It should be better with 8.2 or 9.0, whatever they are calling it. Supposedly adding the ability to run metro-style apps in a window, and other improvements for the desktop. 8.1 is already fine on the desktop, I don't spend much time with metro apps as it is.
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/there-are-now-over-110-million-windows-8-users
Extrapolated a bit to get to 120 million, but if it's not there, it's close. Yes, Win7 has been a bigger hit on the marketplace, but 110 million is not a small number by any means.
So yes, hyperbole on your part is an accurate description.
Should point out that Win8 has over 120 million active users. Not saying that every one of those people love the tile interface, but it's not exactly the bomb you think it is.
Also, as rolfwind pointed out, many mobile devices are reaching PC levels of resolution. Obviously the bitdepth is quite a bit higher, and you can't expect UI elements that work on the desktop to work on mobile (and vice versa), but actual screen resolution is reaching parity, and is certainly not "several orders of magnitude" different.
Finally, I think you will in fact find that convergence will occur, simply due to convenience and economics. I see no reason why an 8 inch device or higher can't use a desktop OS, a la Win8 tablets. Smaller devices like phones are perhaps a different story, but Windows Phone 8 is already using the WinNT kernel, with it's own UI on top. It can work; there will be growing pains, but it does make sense eventually.
Might want to lay off that hyperbole sauce.
And here I was under the impression that everything in science was always up for grabs. This is just the mag trying to silence dissent. I happen to agree with evolution but I have no problem debating it with people who do not. Nor do I believe evolution is settled science, we continue to learn a great deal and there is always a possibility of some groundbreaking new development to come along and rock the whole foundation.
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS EVOLUTION TO BE LIKELY THAN THE OPPOSITE!! It really is not worth the time to debate this subject, but people like you mistakenly think it is. If people would stop believing bullshit, and move on to focus on solutions to problems, the world would absolutely be a better place.
The problem is, comments give voice to people who lack the experience in a field to truly opine on a subject, and help sway people to wrong conclusions. So many people, as the article points out, mistakenly think that things like evolution and human-caused climate change aren't real, even though there are reams of evidence and hundreds of highly-experienced scientists that have shown otherwise. For a publication like Popular Science, it really is more important to be right, than to give a voice to dissenters who argue what they think is real, rather than what the data and models show to actually be most likely. It's sad, but Popular Science is doing the right thing here. Let this be a lesson to all the mistaken and misinformed blowhards out there--your ignorance is hurting more than just yourself.
Also, not a fire-sale, these are the permanent prices.
Android models with similar memory, without a keyboard, also get up towards $500 as well.
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-tablets/best-5-android-tablets
"Which you could do on an Android tablet for much less"
Actually, $350 compares quite favorably to 10" Android tablets, pricewise. And you get Office. Not saying it's the best choice for everybody, but it's certainly got a niche.
You had me until "drop the price by half". Power is not cheap. The Surface Pro has an SSD, nice 1080p screen, digitizer pen input, i5 processor, very nice hardware ... just not going to find those for less than $700-800, even in a standard laptop. Yet you want it to cost the same an iPad?
If you need a new laptop, and want a tablet, then the Surface Pro absolutely makes sense. If you already have a consumption tablet, and a decent laptop/desktop, it will probably be too expensive.
Great tech is awesome, but if it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. Can't blame any company for wanting to reach a larger market.
That's one of the points of Windows Phone. I love not having to worry about customizing the hell out of my phone. Sexy and functional out of the box.
1/1.5 inch sensor is larger than most point and shoots. Not that shitty.
Windows Phone/Nokia is actually pretty quite well outside the US. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/02/windows-phone-market-share-up-around-the-world-but-american-sales-still-weak/
The minimum on WP is 512 MB of RAM. And they run quite nice at that minimum, unlike the laggy Android UI.
Uh, just tried this on my Lumia 920, you just long-press on any message you want. Three options: "Copy, Forward, Delete". As least find something else to lie about.
It's not that hard to use iTunes with Windows Phone. Many people do it. Also, MS has already said all WP8 devices will be upgradeable to WP8.1 and beyond.
Shrinking in a few markets, but growing in more. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/02/windows-phone-market-share-up-around-the-world-but-american-sales-still-weak/
Yes, Windows Mobile was pretty bad. I used it, but only recommended it to tech-savvy friends, and even then with reservations.
Windows Phone, OTOH, is a big breath of fresh air, as far as the UI is concerned. Needs some iteration and added features, but it's a good product with good potential, simply put. Hopefully MS doesn't give up on it.
Windows Phone is indeed struggling a bit in the saturated US smartphone market, but it's doing much better elsewhere. This was the first hit for a Google news search for "windows phone sales"; try not to cherry pick your sources next time.
Exactly. People like to say (especially here) that Microsoft caused Nokia to fail, but the writing was on the wall long before Elop arrived.
We spend almost 4 orders of magnitude more on subsidizing the digging of stuff out of the earth, so we can burn it. On subsidizing the most profitable corporations in the history of mankind. Hurray us.
Thank you for bringing some facts, even if you are downgraded for it. The PC market is pretty well saturated, so it's quite understandable for it to slow. Doesn't mean people will suddenly stop using Windows though.
As far as I know, almost every game console in history was sold at a loss. Money is made in game licensing, etc.
30 million WP users.
30 million is more than 11.