Hopefully, the final last gasp will be to open source it, thinking that somehow it will help them. I believe its written with qt, so it might be less of a mess than mozilla is and easier for open source programmers to work with, which, if I remember correctly, was a major complaint about mozilla and why its taking so long.
With the majority of users still connecting to the internet via phone lines and cable modems and DSL finally catching on, is it too soon to expect wireless systems to be successful in anything more than niche markets?
In my opinion, if you can answer these questions, you might have an answer.
A)How cheap
B)How useful
C)How well it works
D)How cool
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KDE 2.0.1 is out
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They used to have some sort of globalish make file or script that would build all of it, one "component" at a time. Now you have to do each one at a time by hand or make your own script. Can anybody comment on this?
I've always been skeptical of the CFC/Ozone depletion argument ever since I read that about the time CFC's were being demonized the patents of CFC's were running out. Naturally, new safer replacements were developed with fresh new patents. I'm hoping for the sake of objective scientific debate this is not true because once big money gets into any argument, no matter how objective it seems, it becomes at least a little less objective. Even if it is true that the ozone layer is being damaged by something and that CFC patents were running out we may still have been affected by way of popular opinion in regards to how righteous this crusade to save the ozone is. I've read that a hole in the ozone layer had been detected before CFC's were even used. I'm not even sure if anybody has shown that the chemical processes that occur where CFC break down ozone are likely. I remember attenting a lecture at harvard where a ozone researcher was explaining the chemical reaction that was responsible and it seem rather odd. Scientist have a tendency to flock around a set of popular ideas and dont like to stray from the flock. This has happened many many times throughout history, even when there was evidence to prove them wrong.
Dont know how they managed it, but their site completely kills the page rendering in my netscape (linux, ns 4.73). After loading a blank screen, all sites are blank until I kill -9 netscape and restart.
Am I used to this type of thing with netscape for linux? Does the ozone layer have a big hole?
Ok, I'm using it right now, it seems pretty good. Maybe the debugging is slowing it down. Java doesnt work, I must have to ad it to the helper applications. So right there's something to turn off users. I see there are no helper app registered except for text, there's something else to turn people off. Flash doesnt seem to work, and if it could work, how much trouble do I need to go through to make it work? A BIG problem I have with it, and will keep me from starting it up again, is that bookmarks cant be added directly to bookmark folders, only appeneded to the main list, as far as I can see. And why not turn off debugging in the binaries??? Is it to scare some users into thinking that this browser isnt good enough to use?!? Does it import netscape bookmarks? If it doesnt, why not make a new user feel more at home by importing bookmarks, and if it does, why is it not telling me nicely "I can import your bookmarks"? Why not do what the competition does (ms) and give it polish even if its not ready for polishing?
I'll admit that I havent tried a nightly build for months now, but I'm sure its still not "feature rich" like mainstream users like it. Also, the fact that I have to download and build it says a lot!
I'm starting to realize that linux is in real danger in the desktop arena before its even a real contender. What concerns me is web browsers. Netscape looks like it will not keep pace with IE and I'm sure MS realizes this. Mozilla looks like its going to remain a "hobby" for a while now, and konqueror is wasting its time with desktop integration eventhough desktop integration was just a way for MS to try to avoid anti-trust arguments. Maybe opera will help, but could they be moving any slower? MS knows that linux is screwed because of browser-envy, that is probably the main reason why they stopped their porting of IE at solaris and OSX. The linux office apps will be good enough very soon, people will realize they dont need talking paperclips, but when they cant see the webpages or the plugin media they want to they arent going to be happy
I should add that if a state doesnt like the electoral system of "winner take all" or prefers the idea of popular vote, they can just decide to split their electors along popular lines, just as it is done in Maine or Nebraska. As far as I can tell, you dont really need to abolish the electoral system and enstate a popular vote, you can just do what Maine has done, but in all states. I'm sure their are some details involved and some limitations of Maines system that I dont know about.
Agreed, not only did the voter KNOW their vote wasnt going to be counted as a "popular" vote, but the campaigns weren't run to gain popular vote, if they were, you would have seen each candidate sitting in a big state and milking it dry, like what Bush could have done in Texas, or Gore in california.
If you hear any politician or lawyer using the "we won the popular vote" spin, realize that they KNOW better, but are just trying to manipulate YOU and should be ashamed of themselves!
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We used to use the methods you describe but we created sneakemail as an improvement over it. Your description is really not doing it justice. As a matter of fact, some people use sneakemail to make their filters more effective.
You missed it, tom was bashing slashdot in that article when it first cam out but today he deleted what he said about slashdot, wish I had it to post it here. It was on the first page, and suspicously, slashdot is linking to the second page of that article now.
I'm sure this kind of stuff is done to cats and dogs all the time, but that wouldnt be reported on because it would leave a bad taste in the readers mouth.
I'm conflicted. I do see how a lot of good could be accomplished by animal experiments but I do suspect that a lot of frivilous experiments are conducted on animals too. I feel really bad for these suffering creatures, both the animals and the researchers who have become desensitized.
I wonder how eager scientists are to go right to the lab animal rather than putting it off until the last minute. It would be nice if there was something like a animal experiments ethics department where you had to apply to get a higher animal like a cat or monkey. They would review you experiment for readiness for an animal subject, the suffering you will inflict, and the justification you have for using a live subject.
Of course this department would probably end up being corrupt.
I just started getting nailed with spam, and from big names too like verizon, and abercrombiekids at an addresses that didnt even exist until a few days ago. Well, actually, since I added that address to my qmail dot files the mail is getting through now. The address must have been build from my first name and my domain. Theres only one place where that info would have come from.
But the spam company does give my the option of opting-out, FROM EACH SPAM CAMPAIGN, ONE AT A TIME AS THE SPAM COMES IN. Behold the convenience http://mx01.edirectnetwork.net/cgi-bin/optout.cgi? email=sucker@yourdomain.com&e=734813 &ppi d=1
I should note that I add new aliases all the time to help me track - and stop - the sources of spam.
So do I, but I do it with Sneakemail, thats what it was made for.
Ha, I'm currently typing with pencils to give hands a rest. My point is, anything that keeps you hands off keyboard and mouse is a gift from god (while still using a computer, and no one handed jokes please). By the way, I just got the book Its not carpel tunnel Syndrome! and its a really good read. Do not go to a doctor about rsi before reading this book. For those of you with undamaged typing/mousing parts who dont take rsi seriously, START NOW (sorry, you have to repair the link by hand, take space out)
Thats no joke, I used a sneakemail address made just for slashdot just a few months ago and its been spammed to from about 8 "different" spammers. This place is crawling with harvesters! Or at least I hope its harvesters!
Don't forget asdf@asdf.com (poor bastards at asdf.com)
Seriously, nobody should be giving out their real address ANY place on the net.
Either you should make it up, or if it needs to be valid (for confirmations, reciepts, unlock keys, etc) it should be either be a junk hotmail account or Sneakemail.com.
Sorry this is off topic, but the originator of this thread was just asking for my standard lecture.
If you write some software, you can do the same thing - release a version under
the GPL, and license the same version to someone else under different (either more or less restrictive to them)
terms.
Does that mean you can put code out there under GPL, have a thousand people help you with it, and then sell it under a different license.
Opensourcing an app the relies on their own network/servers- big risk, big deal; its just a publicity stunt.
Anyway, Sneakemail.com has better anti-spam/remailer features anyway, and their optional client has been in the the public domain. I'm sure the other features of zeroknowledge can be found elsewhere too.
WTF! A post about a web site created to solve just THIS problem sits at score 1 and a post for a windows utility gets a 5. Is this one of those slashdot bugs I've heard about:) Another post gets a five that is about a client that does something similar. Is it because the client is downloadable, or in the public domain? Well, sneakemail has a client in the public domain too, if that helps. sneakemail command line client.
Slashdot Mirror
Hopefully, the final last gasp will be to open source it, thinking that somehow it will help them. I believe its written with qt, so it might be less of a mess than mozilla is and easier for open source programmers to work with, which, if I remember correctly, was a major complaint about mozilla and why its taking so long.
On second thought, that applies to a lot of things, so mod it down to "useless"
With the majority of users still connecting to the internet via phone lines and cable modems and DSL finally catching on, is it too soon to expect wireless systems to be successful in anything more than niche markets?
In my opinion, if you can answer these questions, you might have an answer.
A)How cheap
B)How useful
C)How well it works
D)How cool
I second this!
They used to have some sort of globalish make file or script that would build all of it, one "component" at a time. Now you have to do each one at a time by hand or make your own script. Can anybody comment on this?
I've always been skeptical of the CFC/Ozone depletion argument ever since I read that about the time CFC's were being demonized the patents of CFC's were running out. Naturally, new safer replacements were developed with fresh new patents. I'm hoping for the sake of objective scientific debate this is not true because once big money gets into any argument, no matter how objective it seems, it becomes at least a little less objective. Even if it is true that the ozone layer is being damaged by something and that CFC patents were running out we may still have been affected by way of popular opinion in regards to how righteous this crusade to save the ozone is. I've read that a hole in the ozone layer had been detected before CFC's were even used. I'm not even sure if anybody has shown that the chemical processes that occur where CFC break down ozone are likely. I remember attenting a lecture at harvard where a ozone researcher was explaining the chemical reaction that was responsible and it seem rather odd. Scientist have a tendency to flock around a set of popular ideas and dont like to stray from the flock. This has happened many many times throughout history, even when there was evidence to prove them wrong.
Dont know how they managed it, but their site completely kills the page rendering in my netscape (linux, ns 4.73). After loading a blank screen, all sites are blank until I kill -9 netscape and restart.
Am I used to this type of thing with netscape for linux? Does the ozone layer have a big hole?
Ok, I'm using it right now, it seems pretty good. Maybe the debugging is slowing it down. Java doesnt work, I must have to ad it to the helper applications. So right there's something to turn off users. I see there are no helper app registered except for text, there's something else to turn people off. Flash doesnt seem to work, and if it could work, how much trouble do I need to go through to make it work? A BIG problem I have with it, and will keep me from starting it up again, is that bookmarks cant be added directly to bookmark folders, only appeneded to the main list, as far as I can see. And why not turn off debugging in the binaries??? Is it to scare some users into thinking that this browser isnt good enough to use?!? Does it import netscape bookmarks? If it doesnt, why not make a new user feel more at home by importing bookmarks, and if it does, why is it not telling me nicely "I can import your bookmarks"? Why not do what the competition does (ms) and give it polish even if its not ready for polishing?
I'll admit that I havent tried a nightly build for months now, but I'm sure its still not "feature rich" like mainstream users like it. Also, the fact that I have to download and build it says a lot!
I'm starting to realize that linux is in real danger in the desktop arena before its even a real contender. What concerns me is web browsers. Netscape looks like it will not keep pace with IE and I'm sure MS realizes this. Mozilla looks like its going to remain a "hobby" for a while now, and konqueror is wasting its time with desktop integration eventhough desktop integration was just a way for MS to try to avoid anti-trust arguments. Maybe opera will help, but could they be moving any slower? MS knows that linux is screwed because of browser-envy, that is probably the main reason why they stopped their porting of IE at solaris and OSX. The linux office apps will be good enough very soon, people will realize they dont need talking paperclips, but when they cant see the webpages or the plugin media they want to they arent going to be happy
I should add that if a state doesnt like the electoral system of "winner take all" or prefers the idea of popular vote, they can just decide to split their electors along popular lines, just as it is done in Maine or Nebraska. As far as I can tell, you dont really need to abolish the electoral system and enstate a popular vote, you can just do what Maine has done, but in all states. I'm sure their are some details involved and some limitations of Maines system that I dont know about.
Agreed, not only did the voter KNOW their vote wasnt going to be counted as a "popular" vote, but the campaigns weren't run to gain popular vote, if they were, you would have seen each candidate sitting in a big state and milking it dry, like what Bush could have done in Texas, or Gore in california.
If you hear any politician or lawyer using the "we won the popular vote" spin, realize that they KNOW better, but are just trying to manipulate YOU and should be ashamed of themselves!
We used to use the methods you describe but we created sneakemail as an improvement over it. Your description is really not doing it justice. As a matter of fact, some people use sneakemail to make their filters more effective.
You missed it, tom was bashing slashdot in that article when it first cam out but today he deleted what he said about slashdot, wish I had it to post it here. It was on the first page, and suspicously, slashdot is linking to the second page of that article now.
Well, this also has been posted many times...
Sneakemail.com does all that for you without all that hassle.
my first offtopic post!
did anybody see that tomshardware is trashing slashdot?
here
If this was being done to a dog
I'm sure this kind of stuff is done to cats and dogs all the time, but that wouldnt be reported on because it would leave a bad taste in the readers mouth.
I'm conflicted. I do see how a lot of good could be accomplished by animal experiments but I do suspect that a lot of frivilous experiments are conducted on animals too. I feel really bad for these suffering creatures, both the animals and the researchers who have become desensitized.
I wonder how eager scientists are to go right to the lab animal rather than putting it off until the last minute. It would be nice if there was something like a animal experiments ethics department where you had to apply to get a higher animal like a cat or monkey. They would review you experiment for readiness for an animal subject, the suffering you will inflict, and the justification you have for using a live subject. Of course this department would probably end up being corrupt.
I just started getting nailed with spam, and from big names too like verizon, and abercrombiekids at an addresses that didnt even exist until a few days ago. Well, actually, since I added that address to my qmail dot files the mail is getting through now. The address must have been build from my first name and my domain. Theres only one place where that info would have come from.
But the spam company does give my the option of opting-out, FROM EACH SPAM CAMPAIGN, ONE AT A TIME AS THE SPAM COMES IN.
Behold the convenience http://mx01.edirectnetwork.net/cgi-bin/optout.cgi
I should note that I add new aliases all the time to help me track - and stop - the sources of spam.
So do I, but I do it with Sneakemail, thats what it was made for.
Ha, I'm currently typing with pencils to give hands a rest. My point is, anything that keeps you hands off keyboard and mouse is a gift from god (while still using a computer, and no one handed jokes please). By the way, I just got the book Its not carpel tunnel Syndrome! and its a really good read. Do not go to a doctor about rsi before reading this book. For those of you with undamaged typing/mousing parts who dont take rsi seriously, START NOW
(sorry, you have to repair the link by hand, take space out)
Thats no joke, I used a sneakemail address made just for slashdot just a few months ago and its been spammed to from about 8 "different" spammers. This place is crawling with harvesters! Or at least I hope its harvesters!
Don't forget asdf@asdf.com (poor bastards at asdf.com)
Seriously, nobody should be giving out their real address ANY place on the net.
Either you should make it up, or if it needs to be valid (for confirmations, reciepts, unlock keys, etc) it should be either be a junk hotmail account or Sneakemail.com.
Sorry this is off topic, but the originator of this thread was just asking for my standard lecture.
This doesnt sound right to me
If you write some software, you can do the same thing - release a version under the GPL, and license the same version to someone else under different (either more or less restrictive to them) terms.
Does that mean you can put code out there under GPL, have a thousand people help you with it, and then sell it under a different license.
Opensourcing an app the relies on their own network/servers- big risk, big deal; its just a publicity stunt.
Anyway, Sneakemail.com has better anti-spam/remailer features anyway, and their optional client has been in the the public domain. I'm sure the other features of zeroknowledge can be found elsewhere too.
WTF! A post about a web site created to solve just THIS problem sits at score 1 and a post for a windows utility gets a 5. Is this one of those slashdot bugs I've heard about
Thats what I used to do, but then I developed a better solution. sneakemail.com