Consider each Sneakemail address as an informal agreement between you and an online business or organization.
You agree to allow them to contact you through this address, and they in turn, by accepting and using this address, agree not to abuse this privilege by sending you unwanted solicitations or to give or sell your address to others.
If they abuse this privilege, by using Sneakemail, you have more control.
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Sneakemail.com is a more proactive defense for a user fighting spam- used alone or as a backup. Using it on slashdot I've already seen it do its job against (possibly) seven spammers in the last few months.
Apparently, a lot of harvesting goes on here, so be sure to mangle, use your junk account, or use something like Sneakemail. Sneakemail also has a link from the above mentioned spamcop, as well as www.cauce.org and junkbusters, which are also good resources.
This is absolutely NOT off topic. Software patents are a MAJOR disaster for any kind of open source software. If the us government really wants to help they can put a leash on their own patent office. Of course, they wont, because even though they control the po, business controls the u.s. government. You notice how they say highend computing? Because they dont want to encroach on business.
Thats one of the very reasons why we created sneakemail
You may want to receive spam mail of some sort but want to have to option of stopping it even if they are too inept to stop it themselves, or dont care. It may be polls, jokes, product announcements, etc, all legit but sort of spammish. Sneakemail gives you this control.
sorry to sound snide, but you do go on like you have some information that we dont. I'm not an expert on this also, but I've worked with it so I know a little. The credit rating agencies have nothing to do with any of this, they are merely a parsitic business in all this. The relationship is between the merchant bank and the holder of the merchant account. The merchant bank requires nothing but the cc number to do a transation, the merchant accound holder is always the one to verify the authenticity of the purchaser by using things like zip codes and names, but this is not required. Since the merchant is not required to ask for personal info (i've seen this done) then its up to the bank and cc companies to provide personal info back, or they could just return an transaction id.
This is a simplification of it, but its really not that complex. Agreed that the article takes things a bit farther than the facts support, but it seems to me that ecustomer anonnimity is only a step away in the process, if its already not possible.
I seem to think that if the cc companies have the opportunity to add A LOT more value to this one time credit card venture easily then they will, the writer of the article seems to think its about privacy also, you dont, do you have other information that you can share with us?
I really dont see your point. If its a one time number, it IS a different cc number. If the cc company doesnt require personal information to authenticate the user, like zip codes, or names as they sometimes use, then the busines will have no idea who you are unless they get the personal data back for the cc company when they try to "settle up" the transfer of funds into their own bank accounts. Of course, if the temp number they give you is your cc number appened with a one time number it wouldnt be that anon.
I forgot to mention one important point, and this is directed at employers. If you hire somebody that it good at something that didnt learn it at school then you have strong evidence that if things change and new skills are required, they can adapt. If you hire somebody that got a formal education, when skills or languages change, you have no idea if they have to go back to school or not. The self taught has PROOF that they can adapt.
Why does nobody see the tyrannical nature of the educational system that we have today?
We were designed to learn, that is human nature. As very small kids we learned to use an amazingly complex thing called language all by ourselves.
Unfortunately, thats about when were were sat down in front of blackboards and forced to learn as a small stream of knowledge slowly trickled back to use from the front of the room. Over hours and hours and years and years we were conditioned to ONLY learn in that manner, or were were convinced that you have to sit in a classroom to learn, or as I call them "education shows". If you want proof of what I have said so far, think about all the people that have to take a class to use something like microsoft word. These are people that learned one or more languages ON THEIR OWN and now they cant even imagine learning something as profound as a word processor without a "education show"
Dont get me wrong, I believe an apprenticeship type situation is a very effective learning environment, and except for self education, probably the oldest and most effective learning situation there is.
Now things reach critical mass... the smartest people feel they need to go to higher education, and because of this, experts in fields have a higher education, except for a few mavericks. Now it appears that to excel in a field you have to get an education, especially from an expensive education show. Who will speakout against this tyranny? Will it be the trusted experts in the field of education?!?
We need to stop the tyranny and discrimination. We must unite to free education. Email me and let us begin the revolution!
Assuming that using a disposible cc number is anonymous, (why wouldnt it be, it would be like a phone card), by using this and sneakemail.com an "e-consumer" would have much more control over his/her purchasing identity and power over junk in their mailboxes (both snail and e) and more importantly, would significantly impact the very valuable side effect of current purchases - customer data. By drying up that source of data we might effect businesses hunger for it, turning their desire elsewhere (maybe towards quality), and be closer to turning an ebusinesses view of the internet as a black box that their goods go in and money comes out. Of course the danger is that cc companies see the value and start selling customer data back to the ebusinesses.
I agree. Tivo is more than a recorder. Its a "disruptive technology", and quite a fearsome disruptive technology. When you get tivo and start using it it changes the way you look at tv programming. Channels cease to exist, they become data sources, and program times take on a whole new meaning, it turns them all into two times, "past" and "future". The whole tv/cable universe becomes something like a video tape and your tivo becomes the heads of a recording device. You have to remind yourself of current banwidth limitations when you start to think of tivo as a recorder sweeping through time and think how flawed that method is and wish shows would just download into your box and be done with it. Tivo and the like will change tv radically eventually, programming schedules will become less meaningful as content availibility and delivery will be more conceptually correct. Tivo has some horrible flaws that I'm shocked as a programmer havent been worked out yet, I think they might not be that talented. For example, if you want to record prime time "Friends", it goes and records all the reruns too, which causes frustrating conflicts will all your other watching needs. Its also missing the 30 second skip which my old vcr has and is very very useful. it also needs a "passthrough" so you can watch live tv while its recording something else, but thats probably a hardware limitation.
I'm sure your short term experience with Sneakemail has been fine (assuming you have no affiliation with the company)
with a little digging its obvious that I have a strong affiliation to the site.
1. does not have a privacy statement
we're working on this. The reason its taking so long is because we are looking for the perfect wording to make it TRUTHFUL
2.does not explain its operation clearly in advance (in fact, says essentially nothing).
Sorry, its confusing. We're trying to avoid being confusing. We're working on a nice way to explain how it works, even thinking about making a flash movie, but we're short on resources.
3.tells me to create an account blindly, and promises to explain everything as it goes along
its says you can use a fake address and change it later, whats the big deal?
4.explains nothing before collecting my real e-mail address
see above
5.does not explain its revenue model (if they go belly up, they may sell their customer list)
we currently have no revenue model, just an experiment in internet usefullness. Most internet companies currently have fantasy revenue model.
6.makes no privacy promises regarding the mail that passes through it, before sign-up (so they can freely make a list of all the porn sites you do business with, but don't want spamming you
it clearly askes for permission to log domains. if you dont do it, it doesnt. can you say the same about hotmail and rocketmail? Also, we dont have the resources to parse the emails themselves, needless to say, we never would.
In short, this site has written itself a blank check for abuse. I intend to set up an account with them, leading to a [nonobvious] unused address, just to see if I start recieving mail there! (If not tomorrow, then eventually.) My past tests with similar services have had a near 100% spam rate.
all your complaints are legit and I really honestly thank you for making them. We're about the roll out a new interface and an explaination of how it works. What could we possibly do to convince you we only have intentions of being a useful service on the internet? What could anybody do? Also we'll put up a privacy statement just for you (would you like to write it?). If anybody wants to use sneakemail and is this worried I would suggest using a hotmail/rocketmail account with forwarding to insulate yourself from sneakemail but still be able to use its features.
would you mind contacting us personally and helping us help you and others with your complaints trust us more? Do you have any advice for us? we're currently non-profit so dont do it for the money.
thanks
Spam wont stop, its too easy and cheap. Even if it was legislated outta existence in the u.s. and other countries it can still come in from other countries, or even from antartica, or the moon for all we know. But this isnt the real problem. Although there will probably always be occurances of senseless acts of random spam they wont compare to the pseudo-spam caused by "opt-in" tricks: Companies that have their "send me opt-in spam" checkboxes that are "checked", companies that opt you in from nowhere without your permission and then deny it, and those times when you just cant opt-out because their system of opting you out is some temp using excel and the remove@we_arent_spammers.com mail spool file. I've even seen spam that made me make a phone call to be removed. Now multiply that by the increasing number of times your using online businesses.
Sure you can keep using throw away addresses and help keep hotmail off nt boxes, or you can use a more elegant and powerful solution called Sneakemail like I do.
That spam problem is curable, just use sneakemail, and at the same time you dont have to be paranoid about privacy if you dont want to.
Its basically a "no abuse" contract between a e-business and an e-customer. (sorry about those "e-'s")
you can take a lot of the "commodity" out of that email address if you use sneakemail. By using it you have a great deal of control over that email address. If enough people start using it sneakemail addresses will start being seen to be of questionable value to buyers and sellers but will still be perfectly valid for legit use by businesses.
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I hope this gets moderated up to get the word out.
To quote from the sneakemail site:
Consider each Sneakemail address as an informal agreement between you and an online business or organization.
You agree to allow them to contact you through this address, and they in turn, by accepting and using this address, agree not to abuse this privilege by sending you unwanted solicitations or to give or sell your address to others.
If they abuse this privilege, by using Sneakemail, you have more control.
Sneakemail.com is a more proactive defense for a user fighting spam- used alone or as a backup. Using it on slashdot I've already seen it do its job against (possibly) seven spammers in the last few months. Apparently, a lot of harvesting goes on here, so be sure to mangle, use your junk account, or use something like Sneakemail. Sneakemail also has a link from the above mentioned spamcop, as well as www.cauce.org and junkbusters, which are also good resources.
This is absolutely NOT off topic. Software patents are a MAJOR disaster for any kind of open source software. If the us government really wants to help they can put a leash on their own patent office. Of course, they wont, because even though they control the po, business controls the u.s. government. You notice how they say highend computing? Because they dont want to encroach on business.
If you wear out your keyboards by typing, soon enough you will wear out your hands, trust me, and you cant buy those for 10 bucks.
Thats one of the very reasons why we created sneakemail
You may want to receive spam mail of some sort but want to have to option of stopping it even if they are too inept to stop it themselves, or dont care. It may be polls, jokes, product announcements, etc, all legit but sort of spammish. Sneakemail gives you this control.
sorry to sound snide, but you do go on like you have some information that we dont. I'm not an expert on this also, but I've worked with it so I know a little. The credit rating agencies have nothing to do with any of this, they are merely a parsitic business in all this. The relationship is between the merchant bank and the holder of the merchant account. The merchant bank requires nothing but the cc number to do a transation, the merchant accound holder is always the one to verify the authenticity of the purchaser by using things like zip codes and names, but this is not required. Since the merchant is not required to ask for personal info (i've seen this done) then its up to the bank and cc companies to provide personal info back, or they could just return an transaction id. This is a simplification of it, but its really not that complex. Agreed that the article takes things a bit farther than the facts support, but it seems to me that ecustomer anonnimity is only a step away in the process, if its already not possible.
I seem to think that if the cc companies have the opportunity to add A LOT more value to this one time credit card venture easily then they will, the writer of the article seems to think its about privacy also, you dont, do you have other information that you can share with us?
I really dont see your point. If its a one time number, it IS a different cc number. If the cc company doesnt require personal information to authenticate the user, like zip codes, or names as they sometimes use, then the busines will have no idea who you are unless they get the personal data back for the cc company when they try to "settle up" the transfer of funds into their own bank accounts. Of course, if the temp number they give you is your cc number appened with a one time number it wouldnt be that anon.
I forgot to mention one important point, and this is directed at employers. If you hire somebody that it good at something that didnt learn it at school then you have strong evidence that if things change and new skills are required, they can adapt. If you hire somebody that got a formal education, when skills or languages change, you have no idea if they have to go back to school or not. The self taught has PROOF that they can adapt.
you missed my meaning, I mean anonymous to the business, not the cc company.
Why does nobody see the tyrannical nature of the educational system that we have today?
We were designed to learn, that is human nature. As very small kids we learned to use an amazingly complex thing called language all by ourselves.
Unfortunately, thats about when were were sat down in front of blackboards and forced to learn as a small stream of knowledge slowly trickled back to use from the front of the room. Over hours and hours and years and years we were conditioned to ONLY learn in that manner, or were were convinced that you have to sit in a classroom to learn, or as I call them "education shows". If you want proof of what I have said so far, think about all the people that have to take a class to use something like microsoft word. These are people that learned one or more languages ON THEIR OWN and now they cant even imagine learning something as profound as a word processor without a "education show"
Dont get me wrong, I believe an apprenticeship type situation is a very effective learning environment, and except for self education, probably the oldest and most effective learning situation there is.
Now things reach critical mass... the smartest people feel they need to go to higher education, and because of this, experts in fields have a higher education, except for a few mavericks. Now it appears that to excel in a field you have to get an education, especially from an expensive education show. Who will speakout against this tyranny? Will it be the trusted experts in the field of education?!?
We need to stop the tyranny and discrimination. We must unite to free education. Email me and let us begin the revolution!
Assuming that using a disposible cc number is anonymous, (why wouldnt it be, it would be like a phone card), by using this and sneakemail.com an "e-consumer" would have much more control over his/her purchasing identity and power over junk in their mailboxes (both snail and e) and more importantly, would significantly impact the very valuable side effect of current purchases - customer data. By drying up that source of data we might effect businesses hunger for it, turning their desire elsewhere (maybe towards quality), and be closer to turning an ebusinesses view of the internet as a black box that their goods go in and money comes out. Of course the danger is that cc companies see the value and start selling customer data back to the ebusinesses.
If microsoft eventually embraces and extends all the planets in the solar system it doesnt seem that sad to me.
fine, I agree that mandrake is the MacOS of linux, I even use it daily, but still, my original comment applies.
I recommend mandrake also.
sneakemail.com solves this problem for you without all that inconvenience. But in this case spam should be the least of your worries.
You can use SneakeMail exactly the same way.
I agree. Tivo is more than a recorder. Its a "disruptive technology", and quite a fearsome disruptive technology. When you get tivo and start using it it changes the way you look at tv programming. Channels cease to exist, they become data sources, and program times take on a whole new meaning, it turns them all into two times, "past" and "future". The whole tv/cable universe becomes something like a video tape and your tivo becomes the heads of a recording device. You have to remind yourself of current banwidth limitations when you start to think of tivo as a recorder sweeping through time and think how flawed that method is and wish shows would just download into your box and be done with it. Tivo and the like will change tv radically eventually, programming schedules will become less meaningful as content availibility and delivery will be more conceptually correct. Tivo has some horrible flaws that I'm shocked as a programmer havent been worked out yet, I think they might not be that talented. For example, if you want to record prime time "Friends", it goes and records all the reruns too, which causes frustrating conflicts will all your other watching needs. Its also missing the 30 second skip which my old vcr has and is very very useful. it also needs a "passthrough" so you can watch live tv while its recording something else, but thats probably a hardware limitation.
I'm sure your short term experience with Sneakemail has been fine (assuming you have no affiliation with the company)
with a little digging its obvious that I have a strong affiliation to the site.
1. does not have a privacy statement
we're working on this. The reason its taking so long is because we are looking for the perfect wording to make it TRUTHFUL
2.does not explain its operation clearly in advance (in fact, says essentially nothing).
Sorry, its confusing. We're trying to avoid being confusing. We're working on a nice way to explain how it works, even thinking about making a flash movie, but we're short on resources.
3.tells me to create an account blindly, and promises to explain everything as it goes along
its says you can use a fake address and change it later, whats the big deal?
4.explains nothing before collecting my real e-mail address
see above
5.does not explain its revenue model (if they go belly up, they may sell their customer list)
we currently have no revenue model, just an experiment in internet usefullness. Most internet companies currently have fantasy revenue model.
6.makes no privacy promises regarding the mail that passes through it, before sign-up (so they can freely make a list of all the porn sites you do business with, but don't want spamming you
it clearly askes for permission to log domains. if you dont do it, it doesnt. can you say the same about hotmail and rocketmail? Also, we dont have the resources to parse the emails themselves, needless to say, we never would.
In short, this site has written itself a blank check for abuse. I intend to set up an account with them, leading to a [nonobvious] unused address, just to see if I start recieving mail there! (If not tomorrow, then eventually.) My past tests with similar services have had a near 100% spam rate.
all your complaints are legit and I really honestly thank you for making them. We're about the roll out a new interface and an explaination of how it works. What could we possibly do to convince you we only have intentions of being a useful service on the internet? What could anybody do? Also we'll put up a privacy statement just for you (would you like to write it?). If anybody wants to use sneakemail and is this worried I would suggest using a hotmail/rocketmail account with forwarding to insulate yourself from sneakemail but still be able to use its features.
would you mind contacting us personally and helping us help you and others with your complaints trust us more? Do you have any advice for us? we're currently non-profit so dont do it for the money. thanks
Spam wont stop, its too easy and cheap. Even if it was legislated outta existence in the u.s. and other countries it can still come in from other countries, or even from antartica, or the moon for all we know. But this isnt the real problem. Although there will probably always be occurances of senseless acts of random spam they wont compare to the pseudo-spam caused by "opt-in" tricks: Companies that have their "send me opt-in spam" checkboxes that are "checked", companies that opt you in from nowhere without your permission and then deny it, and those times when you just cant opt-out because their system of opting you out is some temp using excel and the remove@we_arent_spammers.com mail spool file. I've even seen spam that made me make a phone call to be removed. Now multiply that by the increasing number of times your using online businesses. Sure you can keep using throw away addresses and help keep hotmail off nt boxes, or you can use a more elegant and powerful solution called Sneakemail like I do.
That spam problem is curable, just use sneakemail, and at the same time you dont have to be paranoid about privacy if you dont want to. Its basically a "no abuse" contract between a e-business and an e-customer. (sorry about those "e-'s")
There's a much more elegant and effective way to do it, use sneakemail
you can take a lot of the "commodity" out of that email address if you use sneakemail. By using it you have a great deal of control over that email address. If enough people start using it sneakemail addresses will start being seen to be of questionable value to buyers and sellers but will still be perfectly valid for legit use by businesses.