except perhaps outside the us here in holland (and the rest of europe and probably the rest of the world) we use the word miljard (i guess the english spelling would be milliard) to indicate 10**9. A billion is a factor 1000 more in europe than in the US (i.e. 10**12). It's really simple: 10**6 = million 10**9 = milliard 10**12 = billion 10**12 = billiard 10**15 = trillion 10**18 = trilliard
Notice the system?
I guess the stupid cowboys who colonized the US had no use for numbers higher than the amount of fingers they had (i.e. 10**1). Duhhhh, what comes after 999.999.999?? Must be billion. MORRONS
The guy was a member of a gun club or something. I think after that the UK imposed even stricter gun control rulings.
About the festivals, we have at least three big ones (30000+ people) of course some stuff happens but generally thinks go rather quiet (not on the musical side though). I have to say we had our football (soccer in the US) riots whith people ending up dead. God only knows what mess it would have been if guns would have been involved.
even on a per capita basis the murder rate is more than four times as high as in the Netherlands. Plus most of your recent school shootings seem to have taken place in wealthy suburbs.
It's very simple: You don't like crime -> you pay You want educated children -> you pay You want to be taken care of when you get sick -> you pay you don't like drugs -> you pay
So happens when you don't pay? You get crime, uneducated children who die because there is no good health care and because they use drugs.
Eventually they get so sick of you that they shoot their teachers and fellow victims at their local school.
Sounds fammiliar? That's the US today. Rich people send their kids to expensive schools and live in neighboorhoods with fences around them. They lock out the missery that makes up the rest of the country and still complain about the little pieces of tax they have to pay (living in sweden where 50% of your income ends up being paid in the form of taxes and V.A.T. I can only dream of paying 15%).
Americans have no right to comlain about crime, drugs or their children shooting each other up in school. They get what they paid for (or rather they don't get what they didn't pay for).
prisons are more expensive than welfare. The more you'll cut on welfare the higher your crimerate + higher crimerate induces a call for heavier punishment -> even more money goes to prisons.
If you think thats leftist commy bullshit your probably just another american redneck who deserves to get involved in a shooting at the local school.
Well the FBI doesn't own the web, nor does the US (though I have to admit that a large portion is physically located in the US). Anyway I don't think that US/FBI can deny non-americans the right to own, use and sell encryption software they can just deny americans the right to sell/give encryption software to non americans.
No thy don't. If boeing chooses to use NT in their planes and goes wrong, boeing is to blame not MS. After all MS explicitly says in their license that they don't accept responsibility.
Actually I'm not sure what MS licences say in particular about such things. But if you take SUN's license for Java, for example, it explicitly says that their software is not intended for controlling airplanes, nuclear plants etc.
Actually I tend to fill in as many 'bla' as I can. For instance when dowloading software (for instance a plugin) companies ask you all sorts of stupid question to which i always answer bla. Sometimes a stupid javascript tells me bla won't do so I then make it bla@bla.com. I have registered for NYT the conventional way,though, since it frequently has interesting stuff to read.
Haha, you Americans still think you live in a democracy?? Come on, you get a pick out of two maybe three guys who licked arses long enoungh to become a 'candidate', oh yeah you also need to bring in loads of money, obtained in very dubious ways, to actually win. Nah, democracy no longer exists in the US. Next time you'll have the choice between Bush whose biggest achievement appears to be that he can gather tens of millions of dollars campaing money in a very short time and Al Gore (need I say more, the guy looks like a zomby). The politics american politicians preach always center around themes the average american (I think the country consists for at least 99% of idiots and dangerous lunatics) can easilily understand. Encryption is definately not one of those themes so you can forget about any american politician to make sensible statements about this issue. I rather think they will sooner or later be forced to see that everybody already uses encryption products, especially terrorists, criminals and other persons with bad intentions.
Greetings, Jilles (I'm Dutch in case your wondering)
I'm one of those users who has switched to IE. I'm planning to give ns 5 a try though and I think a lot of other recently switched users are planning the same thing. I think there's a good explanation for ie's bigger marketshare: at this moment it's the better browser. People may not like that because they don't like ms marketing FUD. Everybody seems to be really enthousiastic about standards support. Most people don't seem to realize that those masses of ns/ie 3.x, 4.x users are not going to go away. In other words running a standards compliant site means excluding all but mozzilla users (unless you don't use the advanced stuff).
I haven't downloaded M7 yet (and I don't think I will). I took a look at M5 though and I think it was very ugly to look at (it worked pretty well though). People have been talking about the browser being so configurable and all but I think it should look cool by default (I'm too lazy to start editing all sorts of files just to change the look and feel). I hope people at netscape will pay attention to this (for example by getting some good graphics people to work on this issue). Right now just about everything is plain ugly: the icons suck, the proportions of buttons and everything suck. Messenger in particular is very ugly. Half of the success of IE is the result of the fact that ms has a better looking browser. Ns 3 was better then ie 3 but ie 3 just looked cooler. Ns 4 was plain ugly and ie 4 looked even more cooler. I think look and feel is a very important aspect of a program and ns should definately improve on this.
Enough with the negative stuff. I think ns 5 will be a very cool program and more importantly, I think there are a lot of people who are thinking the same. Peoples expectations about this browser are very high (standards compliant, small, fast, stable & loaded with cool features). I think people at netscape should be very careful with releasing the browser because the quality of the first release can make it or break it. I expect masses of people to download this thing as soon as its released. It will get lots of attention in the media. If marketed in the right way and if it really is a cool program, ns 5 will probably recover most of its marketshare in the first weeks and will blow away ie in the months after that. However, I expect microsoft to launch a counter attack at about the same time. They have pretty smart marketing people and they must realize that ns 5 will be a threat to them. So I expect a vastly improved ie 6 round about the same time.
Who said anything about using full grown human beings for such a task. What a waste of energy to let 'em develop a personality and an emotional life just to take it away in order to obtain some spare parts. I say just grow the parts and all that is needed to support them. Pretty much as is done today on a much smaller scale with skin and other types of cells. What Mengele did was quite a different thing, he took living human beings and experimented on them, quite a cruel thing to do.
Don't worry, I'm fine. Your concern is just the result of your incapability to fully comprehend the situation. Your judgement appears to be blurred by (outdated) relegious concerns and moralism.
Really what objection could one have to slave clones. Of course they should be thoroughly dehumanised: no hard feelings about their fate and a positive attitude towards their job, like horses just love to pull cars and dogs just love to fetch our newspaper.
I actually did read an entire book on screen. It was a laptop screen. Though the resolution was low (480x640), it did not give me any headaches. LCD screens don't flicker, hence no headache. I don't mind about the resolution at all. It's the size of the screen that matters (physical size). I don't mind if the letters are a bit jagged as long as they're big enough to read.
It seems like a lot of overkill to add NT support in a printer/scanner/fax. I mean NT is rather bloathed.
On the other hand it may have some advantages: - ms exchange integration (it is a crappy mailprogram, I know that, but it would be interesting to have in a printerserver for companies that already use it) - integration with other NT services, is difficult from UNIX/LINUX since most of it is propietary MS stuff - NT comes with a lot of useful functionality (webserver, tcp/ip, database) for a server. Although most of it is available in some UNIX form it might be nice (again for integration purposes) to have this stuf in a NT flavor
Though I'm not a big fan of NT or any other MS products, they are widely used in companies and it would be nice for those companies to have printers/scanners/whatever that integrate with it.
Other platforms:Using NT they can also support Jini for offering support for non MS environments.
Stability: Xerox will probably not use a standard installation of NT (i.e. they will remove anything they don't need like GUI stuff, stupid games, notepad)
So maybe it's not such a stupid idea and there may be a market for it after all.
Greetings Jilles,
please don't flame but provide me with real arguments why this is a bad idea considering the current market positions of both xerox and MS.
I'm recording and playing a cd as I write this. I noticed that it records faster each track (probably has something to do with the physical location of the bits on the cd or something). Any way, track 1 records at roughly 1.8 speed, track 15 (nearly at the end of the cd) records at 4.5 5.0. I'm not a big fan of real networks products but I have to admit that this product (conceptually) makes sense. Just insert your cd, let CDDB take care of track naming, select bitrate and hit record. Too bad they don't go over 128, well I'm using 56 anyhow (quantity over quality)
If you are going to do some actual OO programming: lots of objects, reflection, inheritance, threads,... C++ is a nightmare. A good programmer can probably pull of some tricks to get it working but the Java solution will nearly always be more elegant (small, simple maintainable).
I'm not saying that C++ is a bad language though. It just has a different purpose. It allows you to program OO if you want to and it allows you to program in a more traditional way if the OO thingies take a high performance hit. Java on the other hand tries to take away the traditional performance hit of OO programming and thus allows to program in intuitive style.
First generation VM's did a lousy job at it. The current generation VM's actully makes this work on the server side and the next generation VM's will also make this work on simpler machines. (if your interested in this stuff check IBM's new VM and SUN's upcoming hotspot compiler, both beat the shit out of native compilers and MS fast but incompatible VM)
OMG now must have recognized this. Java is quickly becoming the programming language of choice on servers (mainly because of its scalability and ease of use, and yes it performs well too). Any succesful future CORBA implementation will have to support this language as much as possible otherwise Java developers will simply choose something else (RMI) and only use Corba to talk to legacy software (i.e. cobol, c an c++).
Is mozilla going to be feauture compatible with ie5? No because ie5 does not support THE standard and mozilla apperently will. So when when mozilla will be released it will be incompatible with ie(hurray MS you did it again). In other words if you want all those cool xml/html 4.0 thingies to work in all browsers you will probably still have to develop two pages instead of one. I just installed IE 5. It works for me. It's an improvement over netscape 4.5. Faster, just as stable, nicer GUI. In fact it hasn't crashed on me since I installed it yesterday morning. Sure I'll give mozilla a fair chance when it arrives (this century?) but until that time I'll run IE. Why? Simply because at this moment it's superior over netscape.
"Pure object-orientation makes programming cleaner and more consistent for the programmer."
And not necessarily slower: http://www.javasoft.com/products/hotspot/whitepa per.html
In short the whitepaper claims that Java will perform only slightly worse or even slightly better than C++. The hated Garbage collection stops are no longer an issue, nor is object reference (because it is now implemented as a C pointer), nor is thread synchronization,..
Suppose they actually deliver half of what they are claiming. What reason would there be to want to natively compile your code (no more dynamic optimization, crappy garbage collection,..). Current native compilers get most of their speed out of the fact that they don't have to compile at runtime.
I know it's a whitepaper, it's from SUN and could hardly be considered objective. But still, hotspot is based on research that's been going on since the mid eighties. Check out Self for instance, a highly advanced delegation based language that performs well too (thanks to a predecessor of the hotspot technology). Apparently hotspot is going Beta soon. I think it will permanently shut up people who claim that Java is slow, too slow and will never be fast enough. Sure it will take a while before it is actually useful (compare jdk 1.1, it only became stable enough at version 1.1.5 or so).
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except perhaps outside the us
here in holland (and the rest of europe and probably the rest of the world) we use the word miljard (i guess the english spelling would be milliard) to indicate 10**9. A billion is a factor 1000 more in europe than in the US (i.e. 10**12).
It's really simple:
10**6 = million
10**9 = milliard
10**12 = billion
10**12 = billiard
10**15 = trillion
10**18 = trilliard
Notice the system?
I guess the stupid cowboys who colonized the US had no use for numbers higher than the amount of fingers they had (i.e. 10**1). Duhhhh, what comes after 999.999.999?? Must be billion. MORRONS
mebibyte pronounces like maybe byte
hahahahahaha,
But seriously, why increase the number of obscure acronyms. I mean computers are already confusing enough normal people.
True,
The guy was a member of a gun club or something. I think after that the UK imposed even stricter gun control rulings.
About the festivals, we have at least three big ones (30000+ people) of course some stuff happens but generally thinks go rather quiet (not on the musical side though). I have to say we had our football (soccer in the US) riots whith people ending up dead. God only knows what mess it would have been if guns would have been involved.
come outside the states, then find yourself a school where such a incident has occured.
good luck
even on a per capita basis the murder rate is more than four times as high as in the Netherlands. Plus most of your recent school shootings seem to have taken place in wealthy suburbs.
It's very simple:
You don't like crime -> you pay
You want educated children -> you pay
You want to be taken care of when you get sick -> you pay
you don't like drugs -> you pay
So happens when you don't pay?
You get crime, uneducated children who die because there is no good health care and because they use drugs.
Eventually they get so sick of you that they shoot their teachers and fellow victims at their local school.
Sounds fammiliar? That's the US today. Rich people send their kids to expensive schools and live in neighboorhoods with fences around them. They lock out the missery that makes up the rest of the country and still complain about the little pieces of tax they have to pay (living in sweden where 50% of your income ends up being paid in the form of taxes and V.A.T. I can only dream of paying 15%).
Americans have no right to comlain about crime, drugs or their children shooting each other up in school. They get what they paid for (or rather they don't get what they didn't pay for).
prisons are more expensive than welfare. The more you'll cut on welfare the higher your crimerate + higher crimerate induces a call for heavier punishment -> even more money goes to prisons.
If you think thats leftist commy bullshit your probably just another american redneck who deserves to get involved in a shooting at the local school.
Well the FBI doesn't own the web, nor does the US (though I have to admit that a large portion is physically located in the US).
Anyway I don't think that US/FBI can deny non-americans the right to own, use and sell encryption software they can just deny americans the right to sell/give encryption software to non americans.
No thy don't. If boeing chooses to use NT in their planes and goes wrong, boeing is to blame not MS. After all MS explicitly says in their license that they don't accept responsibility.
Actually I'm not sure what MS licences say in particular about such things. But if you take SUN's license for Java, for example, it explicitly says that their software is not intended for controlling airplanes, nuclear plants etc.
Greetings, Jilles
Actually I tend to fill in as many 'bla' as I can. For instance when dowloading software (for instance a plugin) companies ask you all sorts of stupid question to which i always answer bla. Sometimes a stupid javascript tells me bla won't do so I then make it bla@bla.com. ,though, since it frequently has interesting stuff to read.
I have registered for NYT the conventional way
greetings, Jilles
Haha, you Americans still think you live in a democracy?? Come on, you get a pick out of two maybe three guys who licked arses long enoungh to become a 'candidate', oh yeah you also need to bring in loads of money, obtained in very dubious ways, to actually win. Nah, democracy no longer exists in the US. Next time you'll have the choice between Bush whose biggest achievement appears to be that he can gather tens of millions of dollars campaing money in a very short time and Al Gore (need I say more, the guy looks like a zomby).
The politics american politicians preach always center around themes the average american (I think the country consists for at least 99% of idiots and dangerous lunatics) can easilily understand. Encryption is definately not one of those themes so you can forget about any american politician to make sensible statements about this issue. I rather think they will sooner or later be forced to see that everybody already uses encryption products, especially terrorists, criminals and other persons with bad intentions.
Greetings, Jilles (I'm Dutch in case your wondering)
I'm one of those users who has switched to IE. I'm planning to give ns 5 a try though and I think a lot of other recently switched users are planning the same thing.
I think there's a good explanation for ie's bigger marketshare: at this moment it's the better browser. People may not like that because they don't like ms marketing FUD.
Everybody seems to be really enthousiastic about standards support. Most people don't seem to realize that those masses of ns/ie 3.x, 4.x users are not going to go away. In other words running a standards compliant site means excluding all but mozzilla users (unless you don't use the advanced stuff).
I haven't downloaded M7 yet (and I don't think I will). I took a look at M5 though and I think it was very ugly to look at (it worked pretty well though). People have been talking about the browser being so configurable and all but I think it should look cool by default (I'm too lazy to start editing all sorts of files just to change the look and feel). I hope people at netscape will pay attention to this (for example by getting some good graphics people to work on this issue). Right now just about everything is plain ugly: the icons suck, the proportions of buttons and everything suck. Messenger in particular is very ugly. Half of the success of IE is the result of the fact that ms has a better looking browser. Ns 3 was better then ie 3 but ie 3 just looked cooler. Ns 4 was plain ugly and ie 4 looked even more cooler. I think look and feel is a very important aspect of a program and ns should definately improve on this.
Enough with the negative stuff. I think ns 5 will be a very cool program and more importantly, I think there are a lot of people who are thinking the same. Peoples expectations about this browser are very high (standards compliant, small, fast, stable & loaded with cool features). I think people at netscape should be very careful with releasing the browser because the quality of the first release can make it or break it. I expect masses of people to download this thing as soon as its released. It will get lots of attention in the media. If marketed in the right way and if it really is a cool program, ns 5 will probably recover most of its marketshare in the first weeks and will blow away ie in the months after that.
However, I expect microsoft to launch a counter attack at about the same time. They have pretty smart marketing people and they must realize that ns 5 will be a threat to them. So I expect a vastly improved ie 6 round about the same time.
Who said anything about using full grown human beings for such a task. What a waste of energy to let 'em develop a personality and an emotional life just to take it away in order to obtain some spare parts. I say just grow the parts and all that is needed to support them. Pretty much as is done today on a much smaller scale with skin and other types of cells.
What Mengele did was quite a different thing, he took living human beings and experimented on them, quite a cruel thing to do.
Don't worry, I'm fine. Your concern is just the result of your incapability to fully comprehend the situation. Your judgement appears to be blurred by (outdated) relegious concerns and moralism.
Really what objection could one have to slave clones. Of course they should be thoroughly dehumanised: no hard feelings about their fate and a positive attitude towards their job, like horses just love to pull cars and dogs just love to fetch our newspaper.
I'll for phase III (the one that ignores the watermark thingies). If they can't provide it we can.
I actually did read an entire book on screen. It was a laptop screen. Though the resolution was low (480x640), it did not give me any headaches.
LCD screens don't flicker, hence no headache. I don't mind about the resolution at all. It's the size of the screen that matters (physical size). I don't mind if the letters are a bit jagged as long as they're big enough to read.
It seems like a lot of overkill to add NT support in a printer/scanner/fax. I mean NT is rather bloathed.
On the other hand it may have some advantages:
- ms exchange integration (it is a crappy mailprogram, I know that, but it would be interesting to have in a printerserver for companies that already use it)
- integration with other NT services, is difficult from UNIX/LINUX since most of it is propietary MS stuff
- NT comes with a lot of useful functionality (webserver, tcp/ip, database) for a server. Although most of it is available in some UNIX form it might be nice (again for integration purposes) to have this stuf in a NT flavor
Though I'm not a big fan of NT or any other MS products, they are widely used in companies and it would be nice for those companies to have printers/scanners/whatever that integrate with it.
Other platforms:Using NT they can also support Jini for offering support for non MS environments.
Stability: Xerox will probably not use a standard installation of NT (i.e. they will remove anything they don't need like GUI stuff, stupid games, notepad)
So maybe it's not such a stupid idea and there may be a market for it after all.
Greetings Jilles,
please don't flame but provide me with real arguments why this is a bad idea considering the current market positions of both xerox and MS.
And otherwise we could still use a higher level interpreted language (Perl, Python, ..)
I'm recording and playing a cd as I write this. I noticed that it records faster each track (probably has something to do with the physical location of the bits on the cd or something). Any way, track 1 records at roughly 1.8 speed, track 15 (nearly at the end of the cd) records at 4.5 5.0.
I'm not a big fan of real networks products but I have to admit that this product (conceptually) makes sense. Just insert your cd, let CDDB take care of track naming, select bitrate and hit record. Too bad they don't go over 128, well I'm using 56 anyhow (quantity over quality)
Greetings,
Jilles
If you are going to do some actual OO programming: ... C++ is a nightmare.
lots of objects, reflection, inheritance, threads,
A good programmer can probably pull of some tricks to get it working but the Java solution will nearly always be more elegant (small, simple maintainable).
I'm not saying that C++ is a bad language though. It just has a different purpose. It allows you to program OO if you want to and it allows you to program in a more traditional way if the OO thingies take a high performance hit.
Java on the other hand tries to take away the traditional performance hit of OO programming and thus allows to program in intuitive style.
First generation VM's did a lousy job at it. The current generation VM's actully makes this work on the server side and the next generation VM's will also make this work on simpler machines. (if your interested in this stuff check IBM's new VM and SUN's upcoming hotspot compiler, both beat the shit out of native compilers and MS fast but incompatible VM)
OMG now must have recognized this. Java is quickly becoming the programming language of choice on servers (mainly because of its scalability and ease of use, and yes it performs well too). Any succesful future CORBA implementation will have to support this language as much as possible otherwise Java developers will simply choose something else (RMI) and only use Corba to talk to legacy software (i.e. cobol, c an c++).
Greetings Jilles
Smash 'em.
Is mozilla going to be feauture compatible with ie5? No because ie5 does not support THE standard and mozilla apperently will. So when when mozilla will be released it will be incompatible with ie(hurray MS you did it again).
In other words if you want all those cool xml/html 4.0 thingies to work in all browsers you will probably still have to develop two pages instead of one.
I just installed IE 5. It works for me. It's an improvement over netscape 4.5. Faster, just as stable, nicer GUI. In fact it hasn't crashed on me since I installed it yesterday morning.
Sure I'll give mozilla a fair chance when it arrives (this century?) but until that time I'll run IE. Why? Simply because at this moment it's superior over netscape.
"Pure object-orientation makes programming cleaner and more consistent for the programmer."
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..). Current native compilers get most of their speed out of the fact that they don't have to compile at runtime.
And not necessarily slower:
http://www.javasoft.com/products/hotspot/whitep
In short the whitepaper claims that Java will perform only slightly worse or even slightly better than C++. The hated Garbage collection stops are no longer an issue, nor is object reference (because it is now implemented as a C pointer), nor is thread synchronization,
Suppose they actually deliver half of what they are claiming. What reason would there be to want to natively compile your code (no more dynamic optimization, crappy garbage collection,
I know it's a whitepaper, it's from SUN and could hardly be considered objective. But still, hotspot is based on research that's been going on since the mid eighties. Check out Self for instance, a highly advanced delegation based language that performs well too (thanks to a predecessor of the hotspot technology).
Apparently hotspot is going Beta soon. I think it will permanently shut up people who claim that Java is slow, too slow and will never be fast enough. Sure it will take a while before it is actually useful (compare jdk 1.1, it only became stable enough at version 1.1.5 or so).