I'm a professional sysadmin. Scope is important so we'll go by cores. The total number that I admin and/or work directly with total over 100,000. I work very closely with a lot of cutting edge technology. [FQ]DR IB, distributed fs in or near the range of petabytes, openstack, clusterware. We do this to run systems geared towards bioinformatics, CFD, CAE, etc. I can't speak for everyone but if I included a few colleagues I work with closely, the number of systems grow astronomically as they may have detailed knowledge of much bigger systems than I do. None of these systems will touch systemd with a 10ft pole.
Who the fuck knows, the whiners are unable to say exactly what they want, or why.
Rember that clown that claimed he nearly destroyed the laptop his business depended on in order to remove libsystemd, a library that largely consists of:
if (init is systemd) {
do something; } else {
noop; }
No, he's complaining that if he wants to use a modern linux distro, he gets all of those components replaced by their systemd equivalents. A few of them he can likely put back, but many are mandatory and cannot be removed (journald, for example)..
Funny, you claim "but many are mandatory" then cite one component.
Cite another, please, one is not many.
P.S. So, you don't like binary logging. Why not write a version of journald that uses text logs? Should be easy, the interfaces between journald and the rest of the system are fully documented.
I would have asked if there will ever be a interface thats easy enough for non techs to use as a desktop.. we have been waiting for this for 2 decades and we have watched Apple reuse Unix and make it easy.. and every version of Windows since 3x is getting easier frontends and more complex backends.. but Linux still has a garbage interface... a going through hell setup and hardware support that simply sucks... we can't get drivers for average hardware.. Its just sad... Hey Great Server software.. but crap for desktop users.. and its been what 25 years now?... thats just unacceptable and sad that there hasn't been any leadership on those points in all this time.
This is so bizzare. Slashdot is obviously broken, your post says "by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01, 2015 @08:00PM (#50027053)" but that can't be right.
And, by the way, could someone please explain what Devuan is trying to do? I've heard they want to make a Debian distribution that doesn't use systemd. But that already exists, it's called Debian Jessie.
The people who are most against systemd are the serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators who have to provision and maintain production Linux systems.
Says the anonymous coward.
Balls.
Every single claim pretending to be from "serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators" has turned out to be a joke.
People who claim to have thousands of VMs running mongoDB who are unable to debug a 300 line init script,
People who claim to have huge problems but have never made a bug report.
People who claim that they have made a bug report but some evil person made it disappear, but are unable to provide any proof.
People who claim that they've moved en-masse to FreeBSD because they don't like monolithic systems, but appear to know nothing about FreeBSD.
People who are all Anonymous Cowards.
People who never engage with anyone who will try to fix their problems.
Because there are no such people. They are all simple trolls.
True. But you do have to not watch such videos to downplay the significance of such atrocities and leave it all as background noise.
I don't have to watch DAECH killing people to know that they are scum.
Living in Greece, only a few hundred miles away from these atrocities and presumably being a Christian - one of the groups targeted by these atrocities [...]
I live in France, one of the countries directly targeted by the DAECH scum.
I'm an atheist -- a much bigger enemy of DAECH than any member of an Abrahamist religion.
Once again, I don't need to watch their murder porn propaganda to know they are evil.
'm just shocked at the way folks here are laying down and how fast this is rolling over tradition and history, especially things that have NEVER before been thought to be racist or troubling for anyone.
For anyone? Are you sure? Or do just mean "for anyone white enough to count"?
Slashdot Mirror
I'll bite.
I'm a professional sysadmin. Scope is important so we'll go by cores. The total number that I admin and/or work directly with total over 100,000. I work very closely with a lot of cutting edge technology. [FQ]DR IB, distributed fs in or near the range of petabytes, openstack, clusterware. We do this to run systems geared towards bioinformatics, CFD, CAE, etc. I can't speak for everyone but if I included a few colleagues I work with closely, the number of systems grow astronomically as they may have detailed knowledge of much bigger systems than I do. None of these systems will touch systemd with a 10ft pole.
Why?
Sending patches to fix what?
Who the fuck knows, the whiners are unable to say exactly what they want, or why.
Rember that clown that claimed he nearly destroyed the laptop his business depended on in order to remove libsystemd, a library that largely consists of:
Morons.
Who believes in exponential growth? Singularity freaks and economists.
Idiots in other words.
No, he's complaining that if he wants to use a modern linux distro, he gets all of those components replaced by their systemd equivalents. A few of them he can likely put back, but many are mandatory and cannot be removed (journald, for example)..
Funny, you claim "but many are mandatory" then cite one component.
Cite another, please, one is not many.
P.S. So, you don't like binary logging. Why not write a version of journald that uses text logs? Should be easy, the interfaces between journald and the rest of the system are fully documented.
I would have asked if there will ever be a interface thats easy enough for non techs to use as a desktop.. we have been waiting for this for 2 decades and we have watched Apple reuse Unix and make it easy .. and every version of Windows since 3x is getting easier frontends and more complex backends.. but Linux still has a garbage interface... a going through hell setup and hardware support that simply sucks... we can't get drivers for average hardware.. Its just sad ... Hey Great Server software.. but crap for desktop users.. and its been what 25 years now?... thats just unacceptable and sad that there hasn't been any leadership on those points in all this time.
This is so bizzare. Slashdot is obviously broken, your post says "by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01, 2015 @08:00PM (#50027053)" but that can't be right.
One of my reasons for picking Linux over Windows was a boot process consisting of simple easy to understand shell scripts.
They you'd best stay away from sysvinit which has everything except "simple easy to understand shell scripts".
"I have to say, I don't really get the hatred of systemd. I think it improves a lot on the state of init"
He answered it. What the fuck is with you people?
It's like saying, "At least they're trying." Not exactly a positive endorsement on the quality of the systemd code.
I'm sorry? When you see "I think it improves a lot on the state of init" you read "At least they're trying."?
Maybe you need new glasses.
No, that's exactly the interest of his example.
So you're saying all those messages I get from the mailing list are a hallucination?
All those messages?
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html
Yeah, that's a load of messages.
Not.
And, by the way, could someone please explain what Devuan is trying to do? I've heard they want to make a Debian distribution that doesn't use systemd. But that already exists, it's called Debian Jessie.
The people who are most against systemd are the serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators who have to provision and maintain production Linux systems.
Says the anonymous coward.
Balls.
Every single claim pretending to be from "serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators" has turned out to be a joke.
People who claim to have thousands of VMs running mongoDB who are unable to debug a 300 line init script,
People who claim to have huge problems but have never made a bug report.
People who claim that they have made a bug report but some evil person made it disappear, but are unable to provide any proof.
People who claim that they've moved en-masse to FreeBSD because they don't like monolithic systems, but appear to know nothing about FreeBSD.
People who are all Anonymous Cowards.
People who never engage with anyone who will try to fix their problems.
Because there are no such people. They are all simple trolls.
Personaly I find the best tactic is to not do what my enemies want me to do.
And you'd also need to see the same split for France.
(I can't find the numbers but I've seen claims that French private industry is about 5% unionised).
Interestingly, France has a heavily unionized workforce
Rubbish. France has one of the least unionised workforces among industrialised countries, even lower that the US.
(France, 2012 7.7% USA, 2012, 11.1%)
Source: https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=UN_DEN
Get off my lawn.
Twitter -- ack pfft.
True. But you do have to not watch such videos to downplay the significance of such atrocities and leave it all as background noise.
I don't have to watch DAECH killing people to know that they are scum.
Living in Greece, only a few hundred miles away from these atrocities and presumably being a Christian - one of the groups targeted by these atrocities [...]
I live in France, one of the countries directly targeted by the DAECH scum.
I'm an atheist -- a much bigger enemy of DAECH than any member of an Abrahamist religion.
Once again, I don't need to watch their murder porn propaganda to know they are evil.
140? What is this 140 characters of which you speak?
SMS is 140 octets, either 160 characters (7 bit gsm.03.38 code) or 80 characters (utf-16).
This is a catastrophe for SpaceX, which enjoyed, until now, a perfect launch record.
Everyone has a perfect record before the first failure.
Only an idiot thinks there won't be a failure.
Just a couple of days ago i watched Muslims drowning some people closed in a cage and submerged in a pool
Why? Seriously, why would you watch that?
I don't understand how AirBNB make money -- I've just spent 3 days trying to pay them $2500 and their fucking webshite won't let me.
And the name is a lie -- they don't provide breakfast.
I have never used Uber. My friend did miss her plane.
How often have you seen the GPS "break" on a phone ?
Fairly often.
Rarely in a car, but quite often when on foot in a large city.
Anyway, that's not the point -- what kind of cretin would even need a GPS app to find of the major Paris airports?
Twat.
I only know one person who took UberPop instead of a Taxi.
She missed here plane because his GPS was broken and he didn't know how to find Orly airport without it,
FACT.
I care more about who brute forcrs comment #50000000.
'm just shocked at the way folks here are laying down and how fast this is rolling over tradition and history, especially things that have NEVER before been thought to be racist or troubling for anyone.
For anyone? Are you sure? Or do just mean "for anyone white enough to count"?
3ms or thereabouts?