This works for customers that are hosting a box, or control a whole box. What do you do for customers that are getting thousands upon thousands of bogus http requrests like with code red, on a virtually hosted domain? If these customers are being charged for incoming and outgoing bandwidth should that be taken into account? If so how do you account for it other than parsing system logs?
That could work being that the additional monthly fee for protection should add up to cover implementation costs, and any bandwidth charges that are incurred in these situations. Unless of course these types of attacks become much more common then they are. At that point the additional traffic may be much more costly for the ISP regardless of any protection mechanisms that are put in place. I suppose that is why the original question mentions insurance.
This argument can apply to service based situations like an ISP though. If the ISP is finding it has to eat the costs of these types of abuses they can't just raise the prices for thier existing customers (in many cases). So they end up raising the prices for new customers. Then when existing customers come up to renew their current subscription they also face higher charges. This is not incredibly uncommon and happened with an ISP I used for about a year.
Protecting yourself from an attack, such as code red, doesn't mean it doesn't still eat bandwidth. It's the same with anything. I noticed today that my mail server was a little slugish. I sshd into it checked the logs and saw the same bastard attempting to send spam to the server and tons of rbl lookups were taking place. So I added the various ip's to the firewalls blacklist. So now the mail isn't processed, but whatever program they are using doesn't even bother to check to see if the mail is being accepted, it just keeps spamming. So, I'm still having a fairly large percentage of my bandwidth being eaten because of a very inconsiderate individual. Stopping code red was the same. At one point I was logging thousands of attempts every day. They were not successful, but they still ate the bandwidth.
I don't know what the solution to the problem is exactly. As it stands now I pay for any bandwidth used regardless of how or why it was used. It would be much better if those charges could be passed along to the person responsible for abusing your bandwidth, but how that could be enforced is beyond me.
One thing I have to note here is that the person posing the question is talking about INBOUND spikes not outbound. So your points are even less relevant.
Sometimes this is a problem with the spec and other times it is a problem with the customer. Some customers have a habit of changing what it is they really wanted after they have already told the developers and a spec has been produced. At least that has been my experience.
I'm guessing slashdot probably gets more submissions than Fark. I'd also be surprised if lots of those submissions weren't duplicates. While I don't mind being able to pay to have ads removed or to see submissions before they are slashdotted I couldn't see paying for access to all of the garbage that is submitted. Thats the primary reason I haven't subscribed to total fark. Yes I may be missing out on a few choice links, but often they get posted in the threads off the front page anyway. I also don't have to wade through the crap all of the moderators have already looked at.
I guess it all boils down to personall opinion, maybe there could be differant subscription options so that both of us could get what we want without the stuff we don't want. As it stands I like the idea of being able to see a site before it gets slashdotted.
Farks a touch differant in that a lot of the total fark news items never make it to the front page at all. So you are paying more to see the list of ALL of the submitted stories and not just what's being published before it goes live. Also with Total Fark you could get a head start on the photoshop contests.
The last time I checked the majority of criminals weren't very bright. Of course when you start talking about "copyright infringment" most people don't even fully understand the laws and so are more likely to do something illegal ( or stupid ). Add to this the fact that most of your mp3 traders are probably not your most technically elite and there is a better chance these files are on the ISPs servers as well as home computers.
Of 10,000 testers probably 10% will submit bug reports. Another 15% will bitch about things not working without giving any constructive feedback that can be used to fix bugs. Another 15% will bitch that the game doesn't play like it's ready to go live, completly oblivious to the fact that they are BETA testing! The rest will just sit back and play the game as much as they can trying to get a feel of it before retail. For proof of this go look at any of the beta information still lying around from Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, and especially Anarchy Online. Though I've seen the same things from most of the MMORPGs betas and some RTS betas.
It's the second installment of the animated Matrix movies. Four of which are going to be released free on the Internet and then all nine episodes will be released on Junk 3rd on DVD. The first episode was released in February, the second today, the next in April and the final episode in May. The first and last episodes are Part 1 and Part 2 of the same story. They deal with various stories taking place in the Matrix, or in the case of the first episode before the matrix.
Springing forth from the world of THE MATRIX, THE ANIMATRIX DVD presents nine original short animated stories directed by preeminent anime directors.
The directors are: Andy Jones (Final Flight of The Osiris), Mahiro Maeda (The Second Renaissance: Parts 1 and 2), Shinichiro Watanabe (Kid's Story, Detective Story), Yoshiaki Kawajiri (Program), Takeshi Koike (World Record), Koji Morimoto (Beyond), Peter Chung (Matriculated).
Four of the nine episodes were written by Larry and Andy Wachowski, and all of the episodes are grounded in the world of the THE MATRIX.
DVD Special Features:
* "Scrolls to Screen: The History and Culture of Anime" documentary * 7 featurettes with director profiles, interviews and behind-the-scenes footage of each of the films * 4 audio commentaries * "Enter the Matrix" videogame trailer * Dolby Digital 5.1 Audio * Widescreen Format [16x9 2.35:1] * Languages: English, Japanese * Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
Ah, but those are all government approved and regulated gambling institutions. Plus (in Nevada anyway) the government takes 7% off the top (not nearly enough).
I used to be a Mountain Dew junkie. I just couldn't last through an all night coding session without the stuff. Then I switched to Barqs Farmous Red Creme Soda. It's the elixer of life. It's smooth creamy flavor is wonderful. The best part is it's caffeine free. This means after a long night of pumping myself full of it's sugary sweetness while sitting in front of my CRTs I don't have to worry about having trouble falling asleep or waking up with a raging headache due to lack of caffeine.
Barqs Famous Red Creme Soda, I switched! Why haven't you?
If the store won't take it back.... they lose my business permanently. I basically do most of my computer related business with the locally owned stores now because of policies like this. It's a little bit more expensive, but they are much more flexible in their policies.
Your post would have been more relevant to the parent of my comment. I was simply refering to third party vendors of apple specific items. Which have been very prevalent up till now.
Well, many people claim the cartridges you get when you buy the printer are only half full. So you are probably paying 50 Euros for the printer and 50 for the ink.
I realize that, I was just adding the RFID idea for anyone that maybe didn't think about how easy it would be. Economics of the idea are another matter. Though with anything volume with reduce much of the cost.
I didn't say using RFIDs in each piece of paper would be econimcal, just fairly easy. Though I have no idea why they would need a paper cartridge system. As the paper feeds through the printer in it's standard method the tag could be looked for and if found the page prints. If not the blank page is spit back out. Easy enough to my mind.
I have my LaserJet 4 Plus and I also love it. I don't even need to worry about toner cartridges for the most part. A $14 refill kit works fine up to a point. I also got tired of the ink cartridge cost issues. However, there is no legitimate reason why third party vendors should be restricted from selling ink cartridges or cartridge refills.
Last time I checked you could get third party parts for your Mac. However there aren't that many companies making parts for the Mac due to the small market share.
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This works for customers that are hosting a box, or control a whole box. What do you do for customers that are getting thousands upon thousands of bogus http requrests like with code red, on a virtually hosted domain? If these customers are being charged for incoming and outgoing bandwidth should that be taken into account? If so how do you account for it other than parsing system logs?
Absolutly, probably more harm than good. Though there are certainly days when I wish this was a reasonable solution
That could work being that the additional monthly fee for protection should add up to cover implementation costs, and any bandwidth charges that are incurred in these situations. Unless of course these types of attacks become much more common then they are. At that point the additional traffic may be much more costly for the ISP regardless of any protection mechanisms that are put in place. I suppose that is why the original question mentions insurance.
This argument can apply to service based situations like an ISP though. If the ISP is finding it has to eat the costs of these types of abuses they can't just raise the prices for thier existing customers (in many cases). So they end up raising the prices for new customers. Then when existing customers come up to renew their current subscription they also face higher charges. This is not incredibly uncommon and happened with an ISP I used for about a year.
Protecting yourself from an attack, such as code red, doesn't mean it doesn't still eat bandwidth. It's the same with anything. I noticed today that my mail server was a little slugish. I sshd into it checked the logs and saw the same bastard attempting to send spam to the server and tons of rbl lookups were taking place. So I added the various ip's to the firewalls blacklist. So now the mail isn't processed, but whatever program they are using doesn't even bother to check to see if the mail is being accepted, it just keeps spamming. So, I'm still having a fairly large percentage of my bandwidth being eaten because of a very inconsiderate individual. Stopping code red was the same. At one point I was logging thousands of attempts every day. They were not successful, but they still ate the bandwidth.
I don't know what the solution to the problem is exactly. As it stands now I pay for any bandwidth used regardless of how or why it was used. It would be much better if those charges could be passed along to the person responsible for abusing your bandwidth, but how that could be enforced is beyond me.
One thing I have to note here is that the person posing the question is talking about INBOUND spikes not outbound. So your points are even less relevant.
Google can answer most of your questions with nifty links like this, or this.
Who would have thunk it?
Sometimes this is a problem with the spec and other times it is a problem with the customer. Some customers have a habit of changing what it is they really wanted after they have already told the developers and a spec has been produced. At least that has been my experience.
I'm guessing slashdot probably gets more submissions than Fark. I'd also be surprised if lots of those submissions weren't duplicates. While I don't mind being able to pay to have ads removed or to see submissions before they are slashdotted I couldn't see paying for access to all of the garbage that is submitted. Thats the primary reason I haven't subscribed to total fark. Yes I may be missing out on a few choice links, but often they get posted in the threads off the front page anyway. I also don't have to wade through the crap all of the moderators have already looked at.
I guess it all boils down to personall opinion, maybe there could be differant subscription options so that both of us could get what we want without the stuff we don't want. As it stands I like the idea of being able to see a site before it gets slashdotted.
Farks a touch differant in that a lot of the total fark news items never make it to the front page at all. So you are paying more to see the list of ALL of the submitted stories and not just what's being published before it goes live. Also with Total Fark you could get a head start on the photoshop contests.
The last time I checked the majority of criminals weren't very bright. Of course when you start talking about "copyright infringment" most people don't even fully understand the laws and so are more likely to do something illegal ( or stupid ). Add to this the fact that most of your mp3 traders are probably not your most technically elite and there is a better chance these files are on the ISPs servers as well as home computers.
Of 10,000 testers probably 10% will submit bug reports. Another 15% will bitch about things not working without giving any constructive feedback that can be used to fix bugs. Another 15% will bitch that the game doesn't play like it's ready to go live, completly oblivious to the fact that they are BETA testing! The rest will just sit back and play the game as much as they can trying to get a feel of it before retail. For proof of this go look at any of the beta information still lying around from Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, and especially Anarchy Online. Though I've seen the same things from most of the MMORPGs betas and some RTS betas.
Congress? I doubt any of them know how to count back change properly either.
Ah crud. That should read June 3rd not Junk 3rd. My proofreadins skills are not very good today. I didn't catch that even with preview.
It's the second installment of the animated Matrix movies. Four of which are going to be released free on the Internet and then all nine episodes will be released on Junk 3rd on DVD. The first episode was released in February, the second today, the next in April and the final episode in May. The first and last episodes are Part 1 and Part 2 of the same story. They deal with various stories taking place in the Matrix, or in the case of the first episode before the matrix.
Check out all the info here.
From the site:
Springing forth from the world of THE MATRIX, THE ANIMATRIX DVD presents nine original short animated stories directed by preeminent anime directors.
The directors are: Andy Jones (Final Flight of The Osiris), Mahiro Maeda (The Second Renaissance: Parts 1 and 2), Shinichiro Watanabe (Kid's Story, Detective Story), Yoshiaki Kawajiri (Program), Takeshi Koike (World Record), Koji Morimoto (Beyond), Peter Chung (Matriculated).
Four of the nine episodes were written by Larry and Andy Wachowski, and all of the episodes are grounded in the world of the THE MATRIX.
DVD Special Features:
* "Scrolls to Screen: The History and Culture of Anime" documentary
* 7 featurettes with director profiles, interviews and behind-the-scenes footage of each of the films
* 4 audio commentaries
* "Enter the Matrix" videogame trailer
* Dolby Digital 5.1 Audio
* Widescreen Format [16x9 2.35:1]
* Languages: English, Japanese
* Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
Ah, but those are all government approved and regulated gambling institutions. Plus (in Nevada anyway) the government takes 7% off the top (not nearly enough).
I know the rule of it's and its. I simply didn't catch it when I hit preview, and Slashdot doesn't let you edit your posts.
People read blogs? I thought they were just there on the off chance there would be nudity in the webcam shots.
Hell, even the raging cow site makes that observation with it's webcam.
I used to be a Mountain Dew junkie. I just couldn't last through an all night coding session without the stuff. Then I switched to Barqs Farmous Red Creme Soda. It's the elixer of life. It's smooth creamy flavor is wonderful. The best part is it's caffeine free. This means after a long night of pumping myself full of it's sugary sweetness while sitting in front of my CRTs I don't have to worry about having trouble falling asleep or waking up with a raging headache due to lack of caffeine.
Barqs Famous Red Creme Soda, I switched! Why haven't you?
If the store won't take it back.... they lose my business permanently. I basically do most of my computer related business with the locally owned stores now because of policies like this. It's a little bit more expensive, but they are much more flexible in their policies.
Your post would have been more relevant to the parent of my comment. I was simply refering to third party vendors of apple specific items. Which have been very prevalent up till now.
Sad but true.
Well, many people claim the cartridges you get when you buy the printer are only half full. So you are probably paying 50 Euros for the printer and 50 for the ink.
I realize that, I was just adding the RFID idea for anyone that maybe didn't think about how easy it would be. Economics of the idea are another matter. Though with anything volume with reduce much of the cost.
I didn't say using RFIDs in each piece of paper would be econimcal, just fairly easy. Though I have no idea why they would need a paper cartridge system. As the paper feeds through the printer in it's standard method the tag could be looked for and if found the page prints. If not the blank page is spit back out. Easy enough to my mind.
I have my LaserJet 4 Plus and I also love it. I don't even need to worry about toner cartridges for the most part. A $14 refill kit works fine up to a point. I also got tired of the ink cartridge cost issues. However, there is no legitimate reason why third party vendors should be restricted from selling ink cartridges or cartridge refills.
Last time I checked you could get third party parts for your Mac. However there aren't that many companies making parts for the Mac due to the small market share.