Um, Darwinian evolution does not reward the most populous species, but the one that is best adapted to its environment. In Facebook terms, this would mean that the funnest game would be the best promoted. What's happening here is decidedly un-Darwin-like.
um, the most populous species is the best adapted to its environment. it had to be in order to become the most populous species in the first place...thats by the very definition of Darwinian evolution, survival of the fittest and all...
now if there is another species, that appears to be more fit for the environment, but can't get a foothold because the old populous species is crowding it out, then that new species really isn't as well adapted as you thought, because that old populous species has become part of the environment now. If the new species really was more fit it should be able to take over from the old species. now that is how darwinian evolution works at its finest, isn't it great?!
now to get us back on topic, to put this in facebook terms like you wanted, it has nothing to do with the funnest game, it has simply to do with the one that can draw the most users. if those "fun" games can't compete, well then they really weren't fit for the environment that they found themselves in. it is possible people can't find the fun games because the entrenched population are using their defenses to crowd them out...but that very much is how evolution works, so what is happening here is very decidedly darwiny-like.
you are just using the eyes of other programmers as your antivirus. i am not saying this happens every day, but it has indeed happened before and ProFTPD isn't the first time. You are still vulnerable until someone notices the issue, not too unlike the signature files on antivirus software.
but ultimately how is that so different than a binary? you DL a binary...you really don't know if it is safe or not. you can try scanning it and hope that if it is infected that it has a known signature that your AV will detect...
on the other hand you can DL the source and compile it, if you yourself don't read it, then if it happens to be infected you have to hope that the eyes of the herd have detected it already. eventually assuming it isn't a dead project they will probably find it, and often they may find it fairly quickly. but there is still a time period where the source is infected but it has not yet detected.
you are really only offloading your AV scanning somewhere else, over to the source code side using the eyes of the developers and hoping they find the issue in a timely manner.
look, i don't have neither a pro nor anti linux or windows agenda. i use both systems at home linux works great as a server, windows as a desktop.
i guess the point i am trying to make is that if you don't read and understand all the source code before you compile it isn't really any safer than running a precompiled binary/executable. because unless you read and understand the source code entirely you really don't know what could be hiding in it.
lets take a different direction here since you think all this security is necessary to keep planes secure (planes that have been flying safely for over 100 years previously without such security measures)
what happens when the the "terrorists" notice the lines of helpless people waiting to be scanned or groped and decide there would be great irony if they packed pipe bomb into a carry on bag and detonates it while waiting in the line?
I don't think the security measures they are taking are really effective to begin with and are just needlessly invading peoples privacy. This is why i think they need to stop. as an example someone posted this in a related article (Adam Savage from mythbusters claiming to have gone through airport scanners with two large foam cutting saws)
So if these methods aren't even working, then what is the point in continuing them? and to make things worse they provide another possible area of attack where people now need to congregate before they even reach their plane. if i really wanted to cause fear, i would attack the lines of frightened people waiting in line to get to the "safe" area on the other side.
so are these invasive methods really making us more secure?
Your question can be framed to question any effort of human improvement at all. "Linux is already more secure than Windows--why do we need to keep patching it?" See how silly that sounds?
That is a stupid analogy.
There has to be limits. There comes a point when there is enough security and requiring further violations of privacy aren't necessary and aren't even effective any longer. They have begun treating us no better than violent prisoners. whats next mandatory full strip searches? being shackled to the seat? I believe the TSA has already crossed the line, and if people are starting to take to the roads rather than flying, it seems to show that others are beginning to think the same thing.
On a per TRIP basis, cars, trains, and buses are all safer than airplanes.
That's because takeoff and landing in a plane is FAR more dangerous than "takeoff" and "landing" in the other modes of travel. That raises the per trip fatality rate higher for planes.
but that type of incident isn't going to be stopped by the govt fondling people.
Unlike a corporation, if I'm hiring a lawyer it's because someone has wronged me or is threatening to wrong me. I'm not going to hore a lawyer to commit an injustice.
As much as we hate them, I don't think the RIAA's intent is to commit injustice either. They view very strongly that they have been wronged. and potentially rightly so because people are downloading their copyrighted materials without permission, and they even have the law on their side stating that this is illegal. It seems the RIAA are well within their moral rights to hire a lawyer to fight this.
However are their lawyers a bit overzealous in representing them? most of us here would probably say they are. Is the RIAA out of touch and need to learn to adapt to the modern world? Most likely yes.
Are the laws too severe for the crime? Most would agree. But until they are changed, the RIAA isn't doing anything that isn't within their rights and considered justice by the law.
So...really you are very much like the RIAA in this...both of you are hiring lawyers because you view someone has wronged you. I don't blame either of you. In the RIAA case i blame an out of touch congress making stupid laws.
so in other words you aren't in it for justice either, you are only in it to win...or rather at least not to lose.
I don't think this is a bad thing and don't blame the lawyers for it, but justice has never been in the job description for a lawyer. their entire purpose it to serve their clients...occasionally their clients happen to be in the wrong, but that lawyer still has to advise them and represent them to the best of his ability.
Judges are supposed to oversee that justice is being served and that all due process and such proceeded fairly for all involved.
Lawyers don't care about justice at all, their job is simply to serve their clients and get the best outcome possible for them...their entire purpose is to win, it doesn't matter if justice was served or not. they aren't being paid to serve justice by anyone, they are being paid to have their clients interests upheld.
wouldn't the more important and more useful "privileged" frame of reference (to us) be the one that we are viewing it from?
all the data we are receiving from this object is showing us what how it appeared 30 years after birth. so for all our purposes it is 30 years old. we can't see how it looks at 50 million years of age unless we wait 50 million more years, or learn how to break the speed of light barrier.
another issue, from our perspective we know that it happened in 1979, so we know that from our perspective it happened exactly 31 years ago. however do we know for sure that it is exactly 50million light years away? or is it 49.431 light years away? or is it really 51.192 light years away? the measure of how far away it is, is only an estimate. but we know the exact date it happened in 1979.
so saying it is 31 years old and is approximately 50million light years away would be the most accurate method of measuring its age. any intelligent person would realize it really happened a rough estimate of 50million years ago but they know the light reached us exactly 31 years ago.
i don't know if you can get too much information out of who is scrambling downrange to find the leftover bits.
Because if it were one of mine due to a screw up, i would be scrambling to get the leftover bits, mostly for cover up, but also to determine what the heck went wrong.
if it wasn't one of mine (regardless of whether i actually knew who launched it) i would also be scrambling to get the leftover bits purely for analysis. to figure out its exact capabilities, and to figure out where it came from if i didn't know who fired it.
i guess if i fired it myself and it was a planned event, then i might not be scrambling to find the leftovers, unless something went wrong during the launch, in which case i would want to find them to try to figure out what went wrong. and then if i wanted to cover up the fact that it was a planned event then i would still go out to make a token attempt to find the leftovers so no one would wonder why i am not trying to find the leftovers.
i can see a few specialty add on products, but you still expect your house/car to have basic locks.
This is what MS has been missing the whole time, they are just now adding the deadbolts. previously the door just hung open and you relied on a separate security guard to keep people out, that security guard doesn't have a right to complain that you are now building houses more secure with deadbolts. but that also doesn't necessarily mean you can't still hire that security guard for added security.
Shouldn't security be the purpose of the OS itself? Trend micro and other Antivirus software doesn't have a right to exist. the OS itself should theoretically already protect itself.
i guess i have no sympathy for them. and as much as i normally don't like MS i guess i am on MS's side for once.
there is a simple technological solution. just add a mantrap that only allows one student to enter at a time. and then make them scan/swipe a card to enter the classroom, and then make them scan/swipe again to leave the classroom. that would at least guarantee that if 22 students scanned in then you will have exactly 22 people in the room...
though i guess that doesn't mean they didn't hire some homeless person to go to class for them.
it is strange occurrences like this that can have huge impacts on medical science. research into this could very well yield insight into how food allergies develop and possibly ways to treat or reverse them, or also new ways to keep a person's body from rejecting a newly transplanted organ. both of which are immune responses.
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so, you are saying this isn't meant for gaming where there really is no "edge of the screen" when moving your avatar around.
you haven't heard about this thing called facebook have you? this won't stop any significant number of people from carrying cellphones.
The only people worried about privacy are IT nuts such as on this site (me included)
cell phone companies really will just continue going on with business as normal.
Um, Darwinian evolution does not reward the most populous species, but the one that is best adapted to its environment. In Facebook terms, this would mean that the funnest game would be the best promoted. What's happening here is decidedly un-Darwin-like.
um, the most populous species is the best adapted to its environment. it had to be in order to become the most populous species in the first place...thats by the very definition of Darwinian evolution, survival of the fittest and all...
now if there is another species, that appears to be more fit for the environment, but can't get a foothold because the old populous species is crowding it out, then that new species really isn't as well adapted as you thought, because that old populous species has become part of the environment now. If the new species really was more fit it should be able to take over from the old species. now that is how darwinian evolution works at its finest, isn't it great?!
now to get us back on topic, to put this in facebook terms like you wanted, it has nothing to do with the funnest game, it has simply to do with the one that can draw the most users. if those "fun" games can't compete, well then they really weren't fit for the environment that they found themselves in. it is possible people can't find the fun games because the entrenched population are using their defenses to crowd them out...but that very much is how evolution works, so what is happening here is very decidedly darwiny-like.
you are just using the eyes of other programmers as your antivirus. i am not saying this happens every day, but it has indeed happened before and ProFTPD isn't the first time. You are still vulnerable until someone notices the issue, not too unlike the signature files on antivirus software.
but ultimately how is that so different than a binary? you DL a binary...you really don't know if it is safe or not. you can try scanning it and hope that if it is infected that it has a known signature that your AV will detect...
on the other hand you can DL the source and compile it, if you yourself don't read it, then if it happens to be infected you have to hope that the eyes of the herd have detected it already. eventually assuming it isn't a dead project they will probably find it, and often they may find it fairly quickly. but there is still a time period where the source is infected but it has not yet detected.
you are really only offloading your AV scanning somewhere else, over to the source code side using the eyes of the developers and hoping they find the issue in a timely manner.
look, i don't have neither a pro nor anti linux or windows agenda. i use both systems at home linux works great as a server, windows as a desktop.
i guess the point i am trying to make is that if you don't read and understand all the source code before you compile it isn't really any safer than running a precompiled binary/executable. because unless you read and understand the source code entirely you really don't know what could be hiding in it.
yeah, because compiling from source is always safer... ProFTPD.org Compromised, Backdoor Distributed
However for the most part I agree with you and don't run any antivirus software myself, at least at home, i am forced to at work.
lets take a different direction here since you think all this security is necessary to keep planes secure (planes that have been flying safely for over 100 years previously without such security measures)
what happens when the the "terrorists" notice the lines of helpless people waiting to be scanned or groped and decide there would be great irony if they packed pipe bomb into a carry on bag and detonates it while waiting in the line?
I don't think the security measures they are taking are really effective to begin with and are just needlessly invading peoples privacy. This is why i think they need to stop. as an example someone posted this in a related article (Adam Savage from mythbusters claiming to have gone through airport scanners with two large foam cutting saws)
So if these methods aren't even working, then what is the point in continuing them? and to make things worse they provide another possible area of attack where people now need to congregate before they even reach their plane. if i really wanted to cause fear, i would attack the lines of frightened people waiting in line to get to the "safe" area on the other side.
so are these invasive methods really making us more secure?
Your question can be framed to question any effort of human improvement at all. "Linux is already more secure than Windows--why do we need to keep patching it?" See how silly that sounds?
That is a stupid analogy.
There has to be limits. There comes a point when there is enough security and requiring further violations of privacy aren't necessary and aren't even effective any longer. They have begun treating us no better than violent prisoners. whats next mandatory full strip searches? being shackled to the seat? I believe the TSA has already crossed the line, and if people are starting to take to the roads rather than flying, it seems to show that others are beginning to think the same thing.
On a per TRIP basis, cars, trains, and buses are all safer than airplanes.
That's because takeoff and landing in a plane is FAR more dangerous than "takeoff" and "landing" in the other modes of travel. That raises the per trip fatality rate higher for planes.
but that type of incident isn't going to be stopped by the govt fondling people.
the last line of the summary says it all
may lead to more deaths as more people to use road transportation to avoid flying — much more dangerous by the mile than air travel.
if it is true, and flying is already safer than road travel, then why do we need all the security?
Unlike a corporation, if I'm hiring a lawyer it's because someone has wronged me or is threatening to wrong me. I'm not going to hore a lawyer to commit an injustice.
As much as we hate them, I don't think the RIAA's intent is to commit injustice either. They view very strongly that they have been wronged. and potentially rightly so because people are downloading their copyrighted materials without permission, and they even have the law on their side stating that this is illegal. It seems the RIAA are well within their moral rights to hire a lawyer to fight this.
However are their lawyers a bit overzealous in representing them? most of us here would probably say they are. Is the RIAA out of touch and need to learn to adapt to the modern world? Most likely yes.
Are the laws too severe for the crime? Most would agree. But until they are changed, the RIAA isn't doing anything that isn't within their rights and considered justice by the law.
So...really you are very much like the RIAA in this...both of you are hiring lawyers because you view someone has wronged you. I don't blame either of you. In the RIAA case i blame an out of touch congress making stupid laws.
so in other words you aren't in it for justice either, you are only in it to win...or rather at least not to lose.
I don't think this is a bad thing and don't blame the lawyers for it, but justice has never been in the job description for a lawyer. their entire purpose it to serve their clients...occasionally their clients happen to be in the wrong, but that lawyer still has to advise them and represent them to the best of his ability.
Judges are supposed to oversee that justice is being served and that all due process and such proceeded fairly for all involved.
Lawyers don't care about justice at all, their job is simply to serve their clients and get the best outcome possible for them...their entire purpose is to win, it doesn't matter if justice was served or not. they aren't being paid to serve justice by anyone, they are being paid to have their clients interests upheld.
wouldn't the more important and more useful "privileged" frame of reference (to us) be the one that we are viewing it from?
all the data we are receiving from this object is showing us what how it appeared 30 years after birth. so for all our purposes it is 30 years old. we can't see how it looks at 50 million years of age unless we wait 50 million more years, or learn how to break the speed of light barrier.
another issue, from our perspective we know that it happened in 1979, so we know that from our perspective it happened exactly 31 years ago. however do we know for sure that it is exactly 50million light years away? or is it 49.431 light years away? or is it really 51.192 light years away? the measure of how far away it is, is only an estimate. but we know the exact date it happened in 1979.
so saying it is 31 years old and is approximately 50million light years away would be the most accurate method of measuring its age. any intelligent person would realize it really happened a rough estimate of 50million years ago but they know the light reached us exactly 31 years ago.
i don't know if you can get too much information out of who is scrambling downrange to find the leftover bits.
Because if it were one of mine due to a screw up, i would be scrambling to get the leftover bits, mostly for cover up, but also to determine what the heck went wrong.
if it wasn't one of mine (regardless of whether i actually knew who launched it) i would also be scrambling to get the leftover bits purely for analysis. to figure out its exact capabilities, and to figure out where it came from if i didn't know who fired it.
i guess if i fired it myself and it was a planned event, then i might not be scrambling to find the leftovers, unless something went wrong during the launch, in which case i would want to find them to try to figure out what went wrong. and then if i wanted to cover up the fact that it was a planned event then i would still go out to make a token attempt to find the leftovers so no one would wonder why i am not trying to find the leftovers.
i can see a few specialty add on products, but you still expect your house/car to have basic locks.
This is what MS has been missing the whole time, they are just now adding the deadbolts. previously the door just hung open and you relied on a separate security guard to keep people out, that security guard doesn't have a right to complain that you are now building houses more secure with deadbolts. but that also doesn't necessarily mean you can't still hire that security guard for added security.
Shouldn't security be the purpose of the OS itself? Trend micro and other Antivirus software doesn't have a right to exist. the OS itself should theoretically already protect itself.
i guess i have no sympathy for them. and as much as i normally don't like MS i guess i am on MS's side for once.
Where's the problem?
probably the assumption by the gp that call center == evil telemarketers
there is a simple technological solution. just add a mantrap that only allows one student to enter at a time. and then make them scan/swipe a card to enter the classroom, and then make them scan/swipe again to leave the classroom. that would at least guarantee that if 22 students scanned in then you will have exactly 22 people in the room...
though i guess that doesn't mean they didn't hire some homeless person to go to class for them.
You forgot the additional requirement "Must have cat"
well i am about 30 years old, so i guess i have traveled 30 years into the future!
Nice world you got here...a lot different than it was 30 years ago. :-)
I think that is the reason the world is supposed to be ending then...
i agree, i constantly am traveling into the future, and i am still sitting in my chair and haven't phased through the earth yet!
it is strange occurrences like this that can have huge impacts on medical science. research into this could very well yield insight into how food allergies develop and possibly ways to treat or reverse them, or also new ways to keep a person's body from rejecting a newly transplanted organ. both of which are immune responses.
as part of the rules for this contest the AI had to have fog of war turned on.