We almost went there. I don't live in SF mind you. I was visiting on business, and since I paid $1780 for a business round-trip ticket, I stayed from Wednesday to Saturday (it was an open-ended return flight) only checking out clubs on Friday. Walked by it on the way to DNA. We were told to visit DNA as it was recommended. In retrospect, 1015 sounded a lot better when we left DNA. I commend 1015 for trying to stay open, and it seems they are still around. I just hate the fact that they have to be so cold with all the security now that they are being muscled by da man.
Actually, if they just allowed smoking permits for clubs and bars, they'd have no problem packing them in. It's a very odd situation.
Here in Pittsburgh, we have a good scene, but it is smoky.
At least in America, that's a pretty common scheme on the part of a university. A 10/100 baseTX card costs you roughly $15-25 for a tulip-based card. Granted, you can't really put more that one tulip in a linux systerm (if you know how email me without the "fubar_" an point me to a doument. pleeeze!) but it's cheap, it works quickly (most tulip based cards work with the default driver, or with their own specialised version) and you don't owe the university anything.
Mayor finds loophole in industrial zoning, condos get built, computer yuppies move in. </i>
Good point. Go south one block, and what do you see? Trendy warehouse-condos pop up left and right. I wouldn't want to live in SOMA or Tenderloin or even Market District west of 5th. Saw some naaasty hookers and too many p0rn0 shops over there. To the west of there, nearer 18th street, it's beautiful though. Very unusual city.
Even Pittsburgh's nitelife is excellent compared to SF. The only plus to SF is no smoking. It is also the biggest minus since smokers stay home. Not people == no night life. We have to put up with smoke here, but we pack to capacity at places like Metropol and Laga. We throw raves in a warehouse space that is 1/2 block by 3 blocks, and almost fill that! we have a very live party life.
It was cool when we went to SF and went to DNA to get a look at what the scene is like. From an outsider: you are not alone. Your scene is dying.
Though this is obviously a troll, I'll respond: DNA is not a "gay" club currently. It is a venue for concerts (apparently not a much as it used to be) and dance music. It seems to me that the night I was there it was occupied by tourists. I can't be certain. 25 years ago it was a gay club known as "chaps" according to SFgate.
I hope something is done to improve DNA. it is pretty plain (yet so perfect for a goth club -- it's completely black on the inside) some more vid-displays would be nice. and smart drinks at the bar.
On the other hand, I'd love to know if the dance floor is Java 2 compatiable and supports XML.
Acutally, I've been there. Unless it closes for renovations, the floor as I danced on it was kinda uneven. I tripped over a few nails by the edges. The floor is kinda nailed down and a bit small compared to clubs here in Pittsburgh. They do have a balcony and a pretty big stage. Kinda like Graffiti, but without the smoke.
I love that "TV fries your brain" rubbish. If TV fries your brain, then so does the internet. It has about the same quality, possibly less, of mind-numbing uselessness.
uh, as I am canadian, I must protest. All of those except Due South suck and if there are indeed canadian productions, nothing to be proud of...
And I guess as a Canadian, you think US shows rock? Give me a break. Every popular show in the US is either a formulaic drama or a lousy comedy. We have seen countless shows come and go with the same plots, sets and concepts as the last. NBCABCCBSFOXUPNWB just turn them out one by one, same people, same sets, same plastic sense of humour. It's odd that people in Canada get US satteite codes to watch NBC. I won't even watch that channel.
internet is about free speech, freedom, liberty and privacy (good things) capitalism is about property and rights and responsibilities (bad things)
Internet is about Capitalism, and Porn, and Fanboys and Spam and invasion of privacy. Capitalism is about Money, and property and rights and responsibilities and supporting our need for new shiny things. Responsibility is only a bad thing if you are unwiling to accept it.
<i>IS THERE ANY ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL FORMATION AFTER CAPITALISM OR IS THERE ONLY BETTER AND BETTER CAPITALIM?</i>
[Government Markets][Command Economy] [Black Markets][Response to Command] [Grey Markets][Response to Regulation] [Capitalism][Demand Economy]
For the most part we in US are capitalists. However, government regulation has drawn us to Grey markets for things like toilets, and the dubious practice of purchasing SUVs via loopholes. We use black markets to get Drugs and other sundry things. In few places we have command economy in place. Rent control is a good example of a command economy. While you are free to rent anywhere under a certain ceiling in rent control areas, landlords are restricted. Somebody lost some economic freedom in the deal.
<i>are we in the end of history?</i> We always are at the end of history. We just happen to be at the front end.
<i>now I am reading http://www.cato.org/pubs/books/simplerules.html< /i>
Looks like an interesting book. I shall check it out.
While it would be great to have a spin-off of the Lone Gunmen, I'd hate to see Chris Carter suffer another dead series. Harsh Realm was violent, dull and plotless. Millennium usually put me to sleep at a time slot of 9 on Friday. Damn, that's LATE for a Friday, aside from the fact that it's one of the deadest nights of the week. If TGIF could be on top of Friday nights for the past ten years, it's no wonder that these two failed.
I like X Files, in fact, it's one of my favorites. I hope The Lone Gunmen turns out to be a good spin-off, and not something like Poltergeist: The Legacy. Aside from its irritating knock-off of a White Wolf Games title, it probably shows off the worst Canadian acting and writing. I watch a great deal of Canadian televison, since it is heavily in syndication.
sidenote: a list of good Canadian TV shows: Kung Fu: The Legend Continues, Due South, Forever Knight, First Wave, Sliders, Lexx, Stargate SG1, The Outer Limits, and Earth Final Conflict. Not to mention the questionable "Me Too" adventure shows that came after Hercules and Xena, which can be painful to watch. And let's not forget TekWar. Oh, and the first 5 seasons of X files, but that seems to be a mostly American Production. Most of these are shot in Vancouver, BC.
Anybody else hear some kinda anthem as you read this? I kept hearing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" over and over throughout the first 3 paragraphs. Such a shame that I should have such a synthasthetic reaction to the written word. Not being incredibly patriotic, I had to stop there.
I can see the second internet going down the tubes to more of the same crass commercialization Internet.1 is all about. We have brought it from from a research medium to an entertainment medium in a period of 4 years.
When I started out in 92, I was dialing up into a shell account on a Sun Solaris system. A local company was gracious enough to allow an account for about 9 or so students in my local high school. This was my first experience with the Internet and UNIX.
At first, I had no idea what this was all about (my experience to this point was ATARI and DOS computers) and I couldn't get past trying for a directory listing (they hadn't aliased ls to dir) so I gave up for a few months. I was about 16 or so at the time, and didn't know my way around UNIX yet. To make a long story short, I learned eventually, and figured out nn and trn and lurked for a while. I switched to a commercial ISP and dialed direct to a shell, while still using dos until about 1996 when I bought a more powerful computer.
Then things started running downhill for both the internet and BBSing. My friend's computer, with which ran the bbs went with him to CMU. People were really dissapointed and we delivered a.zip snapshot of the system to those who wanted it.
The net was starting to pick up at this point, and I finally got a more modern system (slightly at 33mhz:()) A few months later this new job started working out and I bought a P200 and started using PPP. I also started seriously using Linux at about 96 or so. Till that point I had only played with it.
The big problem (and I see this when I play with Iniquity or Renegade or Aciddraw) is that the web has made computers bloated. The interface of PPP through a Browser to a user has killed a few things. Mostly, it killed the personality of a lean Unix shell. Lynx still does it right. KISS principal in action, at least until recent versions.
Usenet is dying, replaced by online forums in html format. Shell accounts are rare, and I'm on one of the last ones in the area still hanging on in thi sarea. The www has become a big bloated, dead-linked spam-ridden pig.
These days, I keep up with things on about 4 sites, otherwise I overload. Slashdot, Freshmeat, Ars, and C|Net News.com. I picked these sites because they are simple, light, and get you information ASAP. That is interface design at its best. Because features are out there, doesn't mean you should use them.
I predict THAT is the reason Internet 2 will be more of the same.
You assume that all the ice on Earth is floating at sea level.
~70-90% of bergs are sub-surface. I know that. Scientists refer to the atmosphere warming the oceans, where most of the ice in the world resides. At a height of 14,000 to 29,028 feet or so, no matter how much "global warming" occurs, the ice on top of mountains generally either sublimates, or stays put. Go on top of Everest in the middle of its warmest season, and look at all the lovely snow and ice. Now think of raising the temperature 5 or so degrees. And think about the ice still being there.
. But pretty much every credible scientific organization now agrees that warming is happening.
With due respect, qualifiers like "pretty much every" and "organization" do not take into consideration WHICH organizations there are out there supporting it. I have seen a a paper denounching GW theory signed by 15,000 scientists, independant and otherwise, all qualified in this field. The problem comes from the scientific method and not following up on the last few steps. These days, they make a theory, sign a treaty and gather no further evidence of impact. Its quite painful to be honest.
Not to mention that global warming causes ocean levels to fall and not rise. This is the biggest misconception they try to pull over on you. take a glass with 3 or so ice cubes and mark the water level. cover it and let it set a few hours. When you come back you'll find the level has sunk. "Well gee Mr. Wizard, why is that?" "well Timmy,(or Tommy or whichever one he didn't blow up last week) that is because water expands when it freezes.
But like the above post states the greenhouse effect is what keeps us alive!
that and they keep saying global waming over and over. Last year was the 15th warmest on record for the 21st century. If GW were a serious problem, the last 50 years would be the warmest in a slow progression upwards.
Besides, I think the article is likely incorrect. CO2 is not noxious, CO is.
However, I would also say that it's mostly subjective. You can use python[zope], perl[mod_perl], php4, or vbscript and still achieve very similar results (give or take a little extra development depending on your objective).
All of the above are quite capable systems, though you left out zend. I mention it only because it allows you to compile your scripts into code and can execute from 10 to 700% faster. Very cool tech.
RedHat does poorly, it gets marked down. W2K does poorly, they call MS.
They actually didn't "mark down" redhat for anything but things they didn't really test for. They marked them down on interface mostly, but they seemed to do very well in read/write tests, something mickeysoft failed at.
Naah, according to CNN, it's RedHat's Linux. I guess Mr. Torvalds wasn't able to show prior work or something. Then again, according to CNN, he founded and owns Transmeta.
While some may argue that "XYZZY wasn't configured right" or "the kernel wasn't recompiled with -O3" or some other complaint, I think this is one of the few review/benchmarks that seems somewhat un-biased. This is obviously better than the recent Garter Group statements (the same guys who say "unix is dying, unix is important, unix is dead, unix is here to stay" and so on) and not centered on one vendor.
They do mention the typical "Linux problems" such as configuration and a lack of "graphical process reporting", but they (gasp) mention some of the strong points on Linux such as fast disk access, easy raid configuration, and free, scalable clustering. It is nice to see something positive for once.
But, I still have my reservations. They mention the configuration of the Redhat system through the command line and/or a graphical interface. That much doesn' bother me. What bothers me is the fact that X takes up many of the system resources in its current state. Let's face it, until 4.0 is out, the X Windowing System is not quite as "lean and mean" as other solutions claim to be. Even then, it may not be too light on the RAM. If they were running this on a server, I cannot stress that would be a cardinal sin. We run a departmental server that sits and compiles code, keeps up with web requests, runs a database, keeps our proxy going and about 5 other random tasks without falling down. We have no monitor on it, and no X. This saves us a bit of money in the hardware department. If given a choice, it would be a motherboard, 2 net cards and some diskspace. This is one of the strengths of Linux and unices in general. You couldn't survive in Windows 2000 without a monitor. I consider this a strength.
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We almost went there. I don't live in SF mind you. I was visiting on business, and since I paid $1780 for a business round-trip ticket, I stayed from Wednesday to Saturday (it was an open-ended return flight) only checking out clubs on Friday. Walked by it on the way to DNA. We were told to visit DNA as it was recommended. In retrospect, 1015 sounded a lot better when we left DNA. I commend 1015 for trying to stay open, and it seems they are still around. I just hate the fact that they have to be so cold with all the security now that they are being muscled by da man.
Actually, if they just allowed smoking permits for clubs and bars, they'd have no problem packing them in. It's a very odd situation.
Here in Pittsburgh, we have a good scene, but it is smoky.
At least in America, that's a pretty common scheme on the part of a university. A 10/100 baseTX card costs you roughly $15-25 for a tulip-based card. Granted, you can't really put more that one tulip in a linux systerm (if you know how email me without the "fubar_" an point me to a doument. pleeeze!) but it's cheap, it works quickly (most tulip based cards work with the default driver, or with their own specialised version) and you don't owe the university anything.
That would be fine if the club didn't have 25 years of prior art ;P
I know nothzing, I hear nothzing.
Condo builders donate money to mayor.
Mayor finds loophole in industrial zoning, condos get built, computer yuppies move in. </i>
Good point. Go south one block, and what do you see? Trendy warehouse-condos pop up left and right. I wouldn't want to live in SOMA or Tenderloin or even Market District west of 5th. Saw some naaasty hookers and too many p0rn0 shops over there. To the west of there, nearer 18th street, it's beautiful though. Very unusual city.
Even Pittsburgh's nitelife is excellent compared to SF. The only plus to SF is no smoking. It is also the biggest minus since smokers stay home. Not people == no night life. We have to put up with smoke here, but we pack to capacity at places like Metropol and Laga. We throw raves in a warehouse space that is 1/2 block by 3 blocks, and almost fill that! we have a very live party life.
It was cool when we went to SF and went to DNA to get a look at what the scene is like. From an outsider: you are not alone. Your scene is dying.
Though this is obviously a troll, I'll respond: DNA is not a "gay" club currently. It is a venue for concerts (apparently not a much as it used to be) and dance music. It seems to me that the night I was there it was occupied by tourists. I can't be certain. 25 years ago it was a gay club known as "chaps" according to SFgate.
I hope something is done to improve DNA. it is pretty plain (yet so perfect for a goth club -- it's completely black on the inside) some more vid-displays would be nice. and smart drinks at the bar.
On the other hand, I'd love to know if the dance floor is Java 2 compatiable and supports XML.
Acutally, I've been there. Unless it closes for renovations, the floor as I danced on it was kinda uneven. I tripped over a few nails by the edges. The floor is kinda nailed down and a bit small compared to clubs here in Pittsburgh. They do have a balcony and a pretty big stage. Kinda like Graffiti, but without the smoke.
I love that "TV fries your brain" rubbish. If TV fries your brain, then so does the internet. It has about the same quality, possibly less, of mind-numbing uselessness.
uh, as I am canadian, I must protest. All of those except Due South suck and if there are indeed canadian productions, nothing to be proud of...
And I guess as a Canadian, you think US shows rock? Give me a break. Every popular show in the US is either a formulaic drama or a lousy comedy. We have seen countless shows come and go with the same plots, sets and concepts as the last. NBCABCCBSFOXUPNWB just turn them out one by one, same people, same sets, same plastic sense of humour. It's odd that people in Canada get US satteite codes to watch NBC. I won't even watch that channel.
where have all my extrans gone?
internet is about free speech, freedom, liberty and privacy (good things) capitalism is about property and rights and responsibilities (bad things)
< /i>
Internet is about Capitalism, and Porn, and Fanboys and Spam and invasion of privacy.
Capitalism is about Money, and property and rights and responsibilities and supporting our need for new shiny things.
Responsibility is only a bad thing if you are unwiling to accept it.
<i>IS THERE ANY ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL FORMATION AFTER CAPITALISM OR IS THERE ONLY BETTER AND BETTER CAPITALIM?</i>
[Government Markets][Command Economy]
[Black Markets][Response to Command]
[Grey Markets][Response to Regulation]
[Capitalism][Demand Economy]
For the most part we in US are capitalists. However, government regulation has drawn us to Grey markets for things like toilets, and the dubious practice of purchasing SUVs via loopholes. We use black markets to get Drugs and other sundry things. In few places we have command economy in place. Rent control is a good example of a command economy. While you are free to rent anywhere under a certain ceiling in rent control areas, landlords are restricted. Somebody lost some economic freedom in the deal.
<i>are we in the end of history?</i>
We always are at the end of history. We just happen to be at the front end.
<i>now I am reading
http://www.cato.org/pubs/books/simplerules.html
Looks like an interesting book. I shall check it out.
While it would be great to have a spin-off of the Lone Gunmen, I'd hate to see Chris Carter suffer another dead series. Harsh Realm was violent, dull and plotless. Millennium usually put me to sleep at a time slot of 9 on Friday. Damn, that's LATE for a Friday, aside from the fact that it's one of the deadest nights of the week. If TGIF could be on top of Friday nights for the past ten years, it's no wonder that these two failed.
I like X Files, in fact, it's one of my favorites. I hope The Lone Gunmen turns out to be a good spin-off, and not something like Poltergeist: The Legacy. Aside from its irritating knock-off of a White Wolf Games title, it probably shows off the worst Canadian acting and writing. I watch a great deal of Canadian televison, since it is heavily in syndication.
sidenote: a list of good Canadian TV shows:
Kung Fu: The Legend Continues, Due South, Forever Knight, First Wave, Sliders, Lexx, Stargate SG1, The Outer Limits, and Earth Final Conflict. Not to mention the questionable "Me Too" adventure shows that came after Hercules and Xena, which can be painful to watch. And let's not forget TekWar. Oh, and the first 5 seasons of X files, but that seems to be a mostly American Production.
Most of these are shot in Vancouver, BC.
Anybody else hear some kinda anthem as you read this? I kept hearing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" over and over throughout the first 3 paragraphs. Such a shame that I should have such a synthasthetic reaction to the written word. Not being incredibly patriotic, I had to stop there.
.zip snapshot of the system to those who wanted it.
:()) A few months later this new job started working out and I bought a P200 and started using PPP. I also started seriously using Linux at about 96 or so. Till that point I had only played with it.
I can see the second internet going down the tubes to more of the same crass commercialization Internet.1 is all about. We have brought it from from a research medium to an entertainment medium in a period of 4 years.
When I started out in 92, I was dialing up into a shell account on a Sun Solaris system. A local company was gracious enough to allow an account for about 9 or so students in my local high school. This was my first experience with the Internet and UNIX.
At first, I had no idea what this was all about (my experience to this point was ATARI and DOS computers) and I couldn't get past trying for a directory listing (they hadn't aliased ls to dir) so I gave up for a few months. I was about 16 or so at the time, and didn't know my way around UNIX yet. To make a long story short, I learned eventually, and figured out nn and trn and lurked for a while. I switched to a commercial ISP and dialed direct to a shell, while still using dos until about 1996 when I bought a more powerful computer.
Then things started running downhill for both the internet and BBSing. My friend's computer, with which ran the bbs went with him to CMU. People were really dissapointed and we delivered a
The net was starting to pick up at this point, and I finally got a more modern system (slightly at 33mhz
The big problem (and I see this when I play with Iniquity or Renegade or Aciddraw) is that the web has made computers bloated. The interface of PPP through a Browser to a user has killed a few things. Mostly, it killed the personality of a lean Unix shell. Lynx still does it right. KISS principal in action, at least until recent versions.
Usenet is dying, replaced by online forums in html format. Shell accounts are rare, and I'm on one of the last ones in the area still hanging on in thi sarea. The www has become a big bloated, dead-linked spam-ridden pig.
These days, I keep up with things on about 4 sites, otherwise I overload. Slashdot, Freshmeat, Ars, and C|Net News.com. I picked these sites because they are simple, light, and get you information ASAP. That is interface design at its best. Because features are out there, doesn't mean you should use them.
I predict THAT is the reason Internet 2 will be more of the same.
Perhaps he/she means "dinosaur" in the sense of Large, importable and lumbering.
You assume that all the ice on Earth is floating at sea level.
~70-90% of bergs are sub-surface. I know that. Scientists refer to the atmosphere warming the oceans, where most of the ice in the world resides. At a height of 14,000 to 29,028 feet or so, no matter how much "global warming" occurs, the ice on top of mountains generally either sublimates, or stays put. Go on top of Everest in the middle of its warmest season, and look at all the lovely snow and ice. Now think of raising the temperature 5 or so degrees. And think about the ice still being there.
. But pretty much every credible scientific organization now agrees that warming is happening.
With due respect, qualifiers like "pretty much every" and "organization" do not take into consideration WHICH organizations there are out there supporting it. I have seen a a paper denounching GW theory signed by 15,000 scientists, independant and otherwise, all qualified in this field. The problem comes from the scientific method and not following up on the last few steps. These days, they make a theory, sign a treaty and gather no further evidence of impact. Its quite painful to be honest.
A glass? Evaporation!
I said cover it. Earth is a closed ecosystem.
Well, yes he did actually, since Zend is incorporated into PHP4
PHP4 works as a module, zend is a server.
Not to mention that global warming causes ocean levels to fall and not rise. This is the biggest misconception they try to pull over on you. take a glass with 3 or so ice cubes and mark the water level. cover it and let it set a few hours. When you come back you'll find the level has sunk. "Well gee Mr. Wizard, why is that?" "well Timmy,(or Tommy or whichever one he didn't blow up last week) that is because water expands when it freezes.
But like the above post states the greenhouse effect is what keeps us alive!
that and they keep saying global waming over and over. Last year was the 15th warmest on record for the 21st century. If GW were a serious problem, the last 50 years would be the warmest in a slow progression upwards.
Besides, I think the article is likely incorrect. CO2 is not noxious, CO is.
However, I would also say that it's mostly subjective. You can use python[zope], perl[mod_perl], php4, or vbscript and still achieve very similar results (give or take a little extra development depending on your objective).
All of the above are quite capable systems, though you left out zend. I mention it only because it allows you to compile your scripts into code and can execute from 10 to 700% faster. Very cool tech.
RedHat does poorly, it gets marked down.
W2K does poorly, they call MS.
They actually didn't "mark down" redhat for anything but things they didn't really test for. They marked them down on interface mostly, but they seemed to do very well in read/write tests, something mickeysoft failed at.
Naah, according to CNN, it's RedHat's Linux. I guess Mr. Torvalds wasn't able to show prior work or something. Then again, according to CNN, he founded and owns Transmeta.
All according to CNN
While some may argue that "XYZZY wasn't configured right" or "the kernel wasn't recompiled with -O3" or some other complaint, I think this is one of the few review/benchmarks that seems somewhat un-biased. This is obviously better than the recent Garter Group statements (the same guys who say "unix is dying, unix is important, unix is dead, unix is here to stay" and so on) and not centered on one vendor.
They do mention the typical "Linux problems" such as configuration and a lack of "graphical process reporting", but they (gasp) mention some of the strong points on Linux such as fast disk access, easy raid configuration, and free, scalable clustering. It is nice to see something positive for once.
But, I still have my reservations. They mention the configuration of the Redhat system through the command line and/or a graphical interface. That much doesn' bother me. What bothers me is the fact that X takes up many of the system resources in its current state. Let's face it, until 4.0 is out, the X Windowing System is not quite as "lean and mean" as other solutions claim to be. Even then, it may not be too light on the RAM. If they were running this on a server, I cannot stress that would be a cardinal sin. We run a departmental server that sits and compiles code, keeps up with web requests, runs a database, keeps our proxy going and about 5 other random tasks without falling down. We have no monitor on it, and no X. This saves us a bit of money in the hardware department. If given a choice, it would be a motherboard, 2 net cards and some diskspace. This is one of the strengths of Linux and unices in general. You couldn't survive in Windows 2000 without a monitor. I consider this a strength.