The cost/benefit of changing older clients to the new version is not worth it in an origanisation of 500+ For a while, we requested that new machines be shipped with office 95. Now they are shipped with 97, and it's causing a nightmare. It's a nightmare caused by a lack of compatibility.
But it is still too expensive to upgrade a license. Businesses are out to make money, not toss it out the window every chance they get. That's also why arguments about linux being physically free not affecting decisions are patently inane. Of course cost matters! The minimum wage is climbing, other costs are rising, and if a free alternative that is more reliable comes along, of course they'll bite!
Sorry, but Linux and other *nixes are quite happy with hardware NT pukes up as "substandard" without not as much as a sig11. Perhaps the way the OS in NT handles things could be a bit better. And win2000 supposedly has not BSOD problem. Perhaps it was the drivers the whole time?
Having all cpu's working on serving the busy card is then a good idea.
Anybody with 4 network cards of this sort in a system would need 2.5 OC-3 lines to connect too, and they would probably be running a load-balancing switch.
My / is > 100 megs, but that's a matter of preference. my/usr is not a partition like most systems, neither is/home. Just didn't feel the need. Oh, that and I'm not a sane sysadmin:)
I'm going to be moving my dos_c drive to another box (and formatting it for linux only) soon, so this will change. While the fhs suggests you should run / at about 16-64 megs and/usr or/usr/home should be your largest partition, I just decided since this is a single user system, I could break the suggestions.
That, And I was fast running out of primary partitions.
Surely this means that X will have to be setup before you can actually install Linux. Yes, probably the standard VGA driver will do the job, but this is still another thing to go wrong before the installation even begins...
And surely you've seen windows 95 install? It's graphical as well. Openlinux is trying to make it easy on users. Apparently graphics makes things easy on users.
It's nice to be able to pick from a 640x480x16 screen. Most systems you'd install Caldera OpenLinux would have no problem with this. And there's always the text method.
Yeah i know it's freeBSD, but they are both free unix
Even more to the point: They are both unices! User friendlyness aside, I can find 1500 things that annoy me day in and day out about windows. Most of them have to do with the interface "taking over" and doing stupid things it has no right doing. Like autoloading CD-ROMs. That's just downright annoying, especially when the company that made the CD only puts up an install option.
Most likely because Beowulf-style clustering is useless, whereas failover-style clustering is not. Unless, of course, there are many companies in the business of easily-parallelised calculations.
This link mentions one of these "companies in the business of easily parallelised calculations." So is every other company in this industry, So are the Stock market clearinghouses. Not to mention NASA, where Beowulf was created. Oh, and let's not forget anywhere a Cray, a Pacific Blue, a NEC Mainframe or a connection machine is in use.
While not common everyday business use, the beowulf cluster is very important in the scientific industries.
And squid or ganged/switched apache can do the job the same way in more reliable HARDWARE.
I decided to get it anyway then delete it. very nice look+feel (much cleaner than ie better looking icons too) but the scrollbars don't work under win95.. Maybe I'll try it out with slack when i get home.
I just think that the low rider is gonna bottom out on the next hill (at least here in pittsburgh)
Seriously though, mail like this does give people a bad name. I've never sent anything like this to anybody in response to his/her webpage. It's always been "maybe you should try a different colour combination than purple/yellow" or "linux doesn't stand for "linux is not unix" -- Someone (a writer for a newspaper) actually wrote this in an article. How embarassing.
But that was the exent of my comments. I just don't see the need to flame someone for getting their facts wrong. I just point out the flaws in their logic and move on.
don't do that shit. Some of us access this through a proxy server, and these visits get recorded. XX rated video sites are not a good thing to look at at work.
When you consider that emacs has been around 2x as long as Word, you have to wonder what this author is smoking. And he insinuated that everything in Linux is slapped together on the weekend, and that we are all addicted to caffiene. He thinks Open source is Communist or Socialist, and he's welcome to think that. He's wrong, but he's welcome to do so.
HiThere, could you site the Executive actions to back this up? I know they Exist, but there are thousands of them to wade through. Maybe if these are brought to light, people would wake up.
1. This seems unfeasible(sp?) until there is inexpensive and common high/ultrahigh-bandwidth connections to peoples homes. Perhaps AOL wants to buy Qwest?:-)
Or Southern Bell. They just announced an intent in buying Qwest a few weeks ago.
2. Is a JVM system really fast enough now to work as a real OS or even application on its own?
In a word, yes. If they system is designed from the ground up as pure "virtual machine" java, it will not be "virtual" and will be "native" running the bytecode directly. This would be all good.
5. The 'net, even though it is designed to be redundant, occasionally loses connection with parts of itself. How would this be handled? For those on modem access, what if you are suddenly disconnected after typing 9 pages of a term paper? Are there accounts on these servers in which your abandoned document is saved, or does it just expire as soon as the connection times out?
I would assume There would be safeguards in place. If you lost power, you may have a recent backup (but you'd have to fsck to hell and back) that you can continue from. If you got disconnected, you could just dial up. The program itself would most likely be in local context. Or otherwise you context would just freeze on the server until you come back up. either way, you'd probably be safe in such a situation. If they want this to work, it better sure as hell be persistent.
I think he meant "take it seriously..." "...and flame me" or something to that effect. I was commenting on the truth of the matter, not a reaction to his comments. It is unfortunate, but a lot of people think that the higher major number, the more advanced the system.
Redhat 5.2 and Redhat 6.0 aren't that much different. The installer is different, the packages have been updated, but this is not really something to warrant a whole revision. yes, the kernel went up to 2.2.5 or whatever, but that doesn't make it a completely Revised Redhat release.
Redhat seems to like the 5.0->5.1->5.2->etc->6.0 without going to minor numbers. That's their perogative. However, they must realise that they are going to be on version 15 in 2 or so years. That's what I find silly about the whole notion.
Mickeysoft liked to do this version pull, making windows 3.0 3.11 4.0 and 4.00.95 for win95. Then they decided to start on pure year numbers. So their products are essentially yearly releases. I believe this is a weakness, and they have to do stupid things like releasing Special Edition 2 of windows 98. They released it in 99. Why not call it Windows 99, and let everybody know what a fraud version jumping can be!
Is Linus nuts? It's 1999 and he's still only releasing version 2.x? Look around, man! The Red Hat distro is up to version 6.0. SuSE is up to 6.1 (clearly, it's more up-to-date).
The crazy thing is that people will think this way.. They did it with Word/Wordperfect, and it will happen again.
I hope Red Hat was smart enough not to agree to a contest they can't win.
I hope so too. I also hope they keep in touch with the Samba team, and I hope they use zeus or something similarly faster than Apache. They really should delay a week or two to allow a catch-up on technology. PC-Week would, I assume, do the same thing if Windows 2000 were about to release. In fact they do the same FUD thing every time a competitor releases a product, using the smokescreen process.
As far as I know, this company existed in a different form out in SV. And, as a start-up for a new company, it doesn't take much time to :
1) Find VC (if your ideas are good) 2) Find a location (people can be convinced that this will be Something Big(tm)) 3) Build fabrication facilities (considering Xylinx makes the chips, this won't be difficult either)
Getting into the swing of production is the important part.
Given that transmeta's patents point to intel emulation, etc, i'm surprised that people are poo-pooing starbridge. Sorry to be a bit inflammitory, but just because Liuns works for them, doesn't make them any better than this company. They are probably both funded by strong backers, have very good talent behind them and have a potential to turn tables. But we as/.'ers take it upon ourselves to trash SBS with the usual "wrong term here" or "bad grammers" or "kant spell dis term" instead of realising that marketroids put the web site up, and perhaps the engineers are too busy designing the system to check every word of it.
The thing is, wether it works or not, their web site has been updated. They are still in business, The specs for the I/O are resonable, and it looks like they are for real. I'd like to see a demonstration of the system to be safe though...
But this would make a great stand-alone rendering cluster.
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On top of that, they think their new role is as "trusted guides" I don't trust a news-person as far as I can throw him/her.
I wish somehow we could stimulate ADH production when drinking. No urine->no dehydration->no hangover!
And no detoxification! Alcohol is a diuretic for a reason! It's a poision.
Don't get my wrong, I like alcohol, especially vodka, since you stay drunk for quite a while, and it has lesser diuretic properties.
The cost/benefit of changing older clients to the new version is not worth it in an origanisation of 500+ For a while, we requested that new machines be shipped with office 95. Now they are shipped with 97, and it's causing a nightmare. It's a nightmare caused by a lack of compatibility.
But it is still too expensive to upgrade a license. Businesses are out to make money, not toss it out the window every chance they get. That's also why arguments about linux being physically free not affecting decisions are patently inane. Of course cost matters! The minimum wage is climbing, other costs are rising, and if a free alternative that is more reliable comes along, of course they'll bite!
you're right, that's the upgrade price for the professional version.
Sorry, but Linux and other *nixes are quite happy with hardware NT pukes up as "substandard" without not as much as a sig11. Perhaps the way the OS in NT handles things could be a bit better. And win2000 supposedly has not BSOD problem. Perhaps it was the drivers the whole time?
Having all cpu's working on serving the busy card is then a good idea.
Anybody with 4 network cards of this sort in a system would need 2.5 OC-3 lines to connect too, and they would probably be running a load-balancing switch.
My / is > 100 megs, but that's a matter of preference. my /usr is not a partition like most systems, neither is /home. Just didn't feel the need. Oh, that and I'm not a sane sysadmin :)
/dos_c /usr/data (6 gb)
/usr or /usr/home should be your largest partition, I just decided since this is a single user system, I could break the suggestions.
But seriously, I have my system set up:
/dev/hda1 (fat)
/dev/hdb1 (e2fs) /
/dev/hdb2 (swap) swap
/dev/hdb3 (e2fs)
I'm going to be moving my dos_c drive to another box (and formatting it for linux only) soon, so this will change. While the fhs suggests you should run / at about 16-64 megs and
That, And I was fast running out of primary partitions.
Surely this means that X will have to be setup before you can actually install Linux. Yes, probably the standard VGA driver will do the job, but this is still another thing to go wrong before the installation even begins...
And surely you've seen windows 95 install? It's graphical as well. Openlinux is trying to make it easy on users. Apparently graphics makes things easy on users.
It's nice to be able to pick from a 640x480x16 screen. Most systems you'd install Caldera OpenLinux would have no problem with this. And there's always the text method.
The Intel site was not set up for Joe Q. Slashdot, but rather for promotion agencies, local hardware shops, and other websites/print media.
I sometimes wish more companies would put up full quality promo shots that I can work with. It makes it a lot easier than begging.
Yeah i know it's freeBSD, but they are both free unix
Even more to the point: They are both unices! User friendlyness aside, I can find 1500 things that annoy me day in and day out about windows. Most of them have to do with the interface "taking over" and doing stupid things it has no right doing. Like autoloading CD-ROMs. That's just downright annoying, especially when the company that made the CD only puts up an install option.
Most likely because Beowulf-style clustering is useless, whereas failover-style clustering is not.
Unless, of course, there are many companies in the business of easily-parallelised calculations.
This link mentions one of these "companies in the business of easily parallelised calculations." So is every other company in this industry, So are the Stock market clearinghouses. Not to mention NASA, where Beowulf was created. Oh, and let's not forget anywhere a Cray, a Pacific Blue, a NEC Mainframe or a connection machine is in use.
While not common everyday business use, the beowulf cluster is very important in the scientific industries.
And squid or ganged/switched apache can do the job the same way in more reliable HARDWARE.
I decided to get it anyway then delete it. very nice look+feel (much cleaner than ie better looking icons too) but the scrollbars don't work under win95.. Maybe I'll try it out with slack when i get home.
I just think that the low rider is gonna bottom out on the next hill (at least here in pittsburgh)
Seriously though, mail like this does give people a bad name. I've never sent anything like this to anybody in response to his/her webpage. It's always been "maybe you should try a different colour combination than purple/yellow" or "linux doesn't stand for "linux is not unix" -- Someone (a writer for a newspaper) actually wrote this in an article. How embarassing.
But that was the exent of my comments. I just don't see the need to flame someone for getting their facts wrong. I just point out the flaws in their logic and move on.
Most do, some don't (IE: Studios like this...}
don't do that shit. Some of us access this through a proxy server, and these visits get recorded. XX rated video sites are not a good thing to look at at work.
When you consider that emacs has been around 2x as long as Word, you have to wonder what this author is smoking. And he insinuated that everything in Linux is slapped together on the weekend, and that we are all addicted to caffiene. He thinks Open source is Communist or Socialist, and he's welcome to think that. He's wrong, but he's welcome to do so.
HiThere, could you site the Executive actions to back this up? I know they Exist, but there are thousands of them to wade through. Maybe if these are brought to light, people would wake up.
Identical twins have different thoughts, ambitions and desires. They just share a near identical genome.
1. This seems unfeasible(sp?) until there is inexpensive and common high/ultrahigh-bandwidth connections to peoples homes. Perhaps AOL wants to buy Qwest? :-)
Or Southern Bell. They just announced an intent in buying Qwest a few weeks ago.
2. Is a JVM system really fast enough now to work as a real OS or even application on its own?
In a word, yes. If they system is designed from the ground up as pure "virtual machine" java, it will not be "virtual" and will be "native" running the bytecode directly. This would be all good.
5. The 'net, even though it is designed to be redundant, occasionally loses connection with parts of itself. How would this be handled? For those on modem access, what if you are suddenly disconnected after typing 9 pages of a term paper? Are there accounts on these servers in which your abandoned document is saved, or does it just expire as soon as the connection times out?
I would assume There would be safeguards in place. If you lost power, you may have a recent backup (but you'd have to fsck to hell and back) that you can continue from. If you got disconnected, you could just dial up. The program itself would most likely be in local context. Or otherwise you context would just freeze on the server until you come back up. either way, you'd probably be safe in such a situation. If they want this to work, it better sure as hell be persistent.
I think he meant "take it seriously..." "...and flame me" or something to that effect. I was commenting on the truth of the matter, not a reaction to his comments. It is unfortunate, but a lot of people think that the higher major number, the more advanced the system.
Redhat 5.2 and Redhat 6.0 aren't that much different. The installer is different, the packages have been updated, but this is not really something to warrant a whole revision. yes, the kernel went up to 2.2.5 or whatever, but that doesn't make it a completely Revised Redhat release.
Redhat seems to like the 5.0->5.1->5.2->etc->6.0 without going to minor numbers. That's their perogative. However, they must realise that they are going to be on version 15 in 2 or so years. That's what I find silly about the whole notion.
Mickeysoft liked to do this version pull, making windows 3.0 3.11 4.0 and 4.00.95 for win95. Then they decided to start on pure year numbers. So their products are essentially yearly releases. I believe this is a weakness, and they have to do stupid things like releasing Special Edition 2 of windows 98. They released it in 99. Why not call it Windows 99, and let everybody know what a fraud version jumping can be!
Is Linus nuts? It's 1999 and he's still only releasing version 2.x? Look around, man! The Red Hat distro is up to version 6.0. SuSE is up to 6.1 (clearly, it's more up-to-date).
The crazy thing is that people will think this way.. They did it with Word/Wordperfect, and it will happen again.
Yet I am certain Microsoft will be allowed to use SP5.
I hope Red Hat was smart enough not to agree to a contest they can't win.
I hope so too. I also hope they keep in touch with the Samba team, and I hope they use zeus or something similarly faster than Apache. They really should delay a week or two to allow a catch-up on technology. PC-Week would, I assume, do the same thing if Windows 2000 were about to release. In fact they do the same FUD thing every time a competitor releases a product, using the smokescreen process.
As far as I know, this company existed in a different form out in SV. And, as a start-up for a new company, it doesn't take much time to :
1) Find VC (if your ideas are good)
2) Find a location (people can be convinced that this will be Something Big(tm))
3) Build fabrication facilities (considering Xylinx makes the chips, this won't be difficult either)
Getting into the swing of production is the important part.
Given that transmeta's patents point to intel emulation, etc, i'm surprised that people are poo-pooing starbridge. Sorry to be a bit inflammitory, but just because Liuns works for them, doesn't make them any better than this company. They are probably both funded by strong backers, have very good talent behind them and have a potential to turn tables. But we as /.'ers take it upon ourselves to trash SBS with the usual "wrong term here" or "bad grammers" or "kant spell dis term" instead of realising that marketroids put the web site up, and perhaps the engineers are too busy designing the system to check every word of it.
The thing is, wether it works or not, their web site has been updated. They are still in business, The specs for the I/O are resonable, and it looks like they are for real. I'd like to see a demonstration of the system to be safe though...
But this would make a great stand-alone rendering cluster.