So if they never crossed into China before declaring emergency, how in the world you can consider them to be spies?
If that is the definition then any sort of accident involving foreign plane landing in China could be investigated in this context...
Furthermore, Chinese could start ramming all planes near their borders and claim that since those who survived are now in China, everyone should just back off.
Far fetched?
If I said that they are capable of dispersing peacefully protesting students with tanks killing hundreds in process, would you also call it far fetched?
Fuck, how is your "planetary security" gonna help if bunch of Chinese knock on your door and announce that you are part of their system now and NOTHING you ever held dear applies anymore?
You think that can't happen?
Why not?
It did happen many times in the past to people who least expected that ( do you think Jews in XX century Europe even suspected what lies in store for them ?)
You think your rhetoric about "being a humanist" and your love for our planet as a whole will protect you?
Well, there are another differences here... like the fact that we here tend not to disperse student demonstrations with tanks.
But hey, we cannot criticize other cultures; after all it is a matter of taste.
You mean, they temporarily suspended activities like using tanks to "disperse" protesting students?
Are we in wonderland now? How fucking bad does it have to get before you will call it for what it is: a brutal and completely merciless dictatorship?
"It's not like the US side hasn't messed up before anyway "
There is a difference here. After each of these there was a heated debate and many people proposing different scenarios of what happened: basically freedom of speech at work.
Do you really believe things like that are happening now in China.
Ok, I will smack you in your undoubtedly ugly face and demand apologies!
When you refuse I will brag about your "sky-high ego" and your fear of "loosing your face" etc...
"Maybe we should both apologize and go home."
That was precisely the way British and French tried to solve problem of Hitler teritorial demands.
Just give him what he wants, maybe he will go away...
Are you stupid?
Don't you realize that we are not dealing with democratically elected government but with bunch of tyrants who would do anything to keep their power (and they proved that.)
Don't you realize that this "nationalism" is what stands between your freedom and regime like China?
"It's a huge game of chicken to satisfy a few male egos"
This is sad. If it weren't for these "egos" what would stand between your freedom and bunch of Chinese dictating your every way of life.
You think it is impossible? Why?
You got used to be so safe in your little environment protected by the very people you criticize that you forgot why we have relative freedom in this country as compared to other places.
There is no truth in Chinaland.
There is no free press there and no way to investigate anything independently.
No matter what was the real cause, red China should not be trusted simply because of their system.
Does he not realize that we not talking here about two democratic nations having minor trade dispute ?
We talking here about nation where Katz would never be allowed to write anything unless it was in line with what official party line is.
Doesn't he realize that his right to write this stuff is protected by the very people like the crew of that plane ?
I am yet to see "evil corporations" screwing people the way some governments did (and no, disallowing stealing of copyrighted material does not count here)
What we talking about here are these millions of people who were executed and mistreated by various governments worldwide...
Of all people, Europeans were the ones who were screwed most by various oppressive governments yet they still continue to hail surrounding all their right to powerful central body as a way to go.
Sad.
"3. Do we need tax cuts to stimulate the economy! Absolutely NOT! "
Funny, according to trends set by our Democratic friends in congress we can increase taxes indefinetely and it will never have any impact on economy.
"On other budget matters, Mr. Reagan never vetoed a single spending bill in eight years even though republicans controlled the Senate for six of those eight and would have sustained that veto. Also, he never proposed to congress a balanced budget or the cuts needed to get there. Mr. Reagan and the republican led Senate voted for and signed into law those deficits. To suggest they didn't want deficits is a stretch."
Heh, so it is Reagan fault that he failed to stop increased spendings which were voted in by Democratic controlled congress.
Every time Reagan submitted budget it was significantly increased after leaving congress.
And now Democrats hold him responsible for running up deficit.
This is so sad.
For 40 years entire western Europe was growing and multiplaying their wealth under protection of US army and now we have this.
Why do you think France never became part of Soviet Union ? Because of kindness of Soviet people ?
Outlawing any discussion regarding authenticity of Holocaust does not help anyone.
There are still many question that were never fully answered, on the other hand there are many myths which were proved to be false by mainstream historians ( like the stories that Germans made laps out of human skin etc...)
We all know that millions of people of Jewish ethnicity died during the war- from the historical point of view it really does make a difference if they died because of planned extermination or simply because of negligence.
Laws like that do not help to uncover the real truth.
Above all, there is no reason to outlaw lies unless you are afraid that whatever you know to be truth will not hold up against them.
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Oh yeah, everyone got fooled except our lovely genius cyber-vandal !! ...
He knows better
Oh really and since media FAILS to mention that how in the world cyber-vandal would learn that ?
Or are we talking about just another guy who loves conspiracy theories and talking out of his ass ?
"As the demonstration ended, after members of the National Guard were pelted with stones, guardsmen stopped, turned and fired into the crowd.
Four students were killed, and nine were wounded.
The next day, one of the largest demonstrations ever held on the campus of CSULB spilled over onto 7th St.
"
Do you considered this equivalent of what's going on in China ?
"Whoa there cowboy. "
Of course it is relevant.
How can you expect truthfulness and normal behavior from a regime that resorts to such actions to keep themselves in power?
So if they never crossed into China before declaring emergency, how in the world you can consider them to be spies?
If that is the definition then any sort of accident involving foreign plane landing in China could be investigated in this context...
Furthermore, Chinese could start ramming all planes near their borders and claim that since those who survived are now in China, everyone should just back off.
Far fetched?
If I said that they are capable of dispersing peacefully protesting students with tanks killing hundreds in process, would you also call it far fetched?
Fuck, how is your "planetary security" gonna help if bunch of Chinese knock on your door and announce that you are part of their system now and NOTHING you ever held dear applies anymore?
You think that can't happen?
Why not?
It did happen many times in the past to people who least expected that ( do you think Jews in XX century Europe even suspected what lies in store for them ?)
You think your rhetoric about "being a humanist" and your love for our planet as a whole will protect you?
Well, there are another differences here ... like the fact that we here tend not to disperse student demonstrations with tanks.
But hey, we cannot criticize other cultures; after all it is a matter of taste.
"It's not as bad as you seem to think."
You mean, they temporarily suspended activities like using tanks to "disperse" protesting students?
Are we in wonderland now? How fucking bad does it have to get before you will call it for what it is: a brutal and completely merciless dictatorship?
"It's not like the US side hasn't messed up before anyway "
There is a difference here. After each of these there was a heated debate and many people proposing different scenarios of what happened: basically freedom of speech at work.
Do you really believe things like that are happening now in China.
Ok, I will smack you in your undoubtedly ugly face and demand apologies! ...
When you refuse I will brag about your "sky-high ego" and your fear of "loosing your face" etc
Fair enough ?
"Maybe we should both apologize and go home." ...
That was precisely the way British and French tried to solve problem of Hitler teritorial demands.
Just give him what he wants, maybe he will go away
Yeah, Clinton as a "freedom fighter." ..
Give me a break
Are you stupid?
Don't you realize that we are not dealing with democratically elected government but with bunch of tyrants who would do anything to keep their power (and they proved that.)
Don't you realize that this "nationalism" is what stands between your freedom and regime like China?
"It's a huge game of chicken to satisfy a few male egos"
This is sad. If it weren't for these "egos" what would stand between your freedom and bunch of Chinese dictating your every way of life.
You think it is impossible? Why?
You got used to be so safe in your little environment protected by the very people you criticize that you forgot why we have relative freedom in this country as compared to other places.
There is no truth in Chinaland.
There is no free press there and no way to investigate anything independently.
No matter what was the real cause, red China should not be trusted simply because of their system.
Does he not realize that we not talking here about two democratic nations having minor trade dispute ?
We talking here about nation where Katz would never be allowed to write anything unless it was in line with what official party line is.
Doesn't he realize that his right to write this stuff is protected by the very people like the crew of that plane ?
"Cought" flying in international waters.
Stop distorting facts.
Most commercial apps are written in C++. For GUI C++ is simply much more natural language than C ...
I am yet to see "evil corporations" screwing people the way some governments did (and no, disallowing stealing of copyrighted material does not count here)
What we talking about here are these millions of people who were executed and mistreated by various governments worldwide...
Of all people, Europeans were the ones who were screwed most by various oppressive governments yet they still continue to hail surrounding all their right to powerful central body as a way to go.
Sad.
No, smart ones.
". Investment: You DO NOT need it, and it is NOT worth the trouble! "
Yeah, one hell of a sound warning.
How far will one get without any funding at all.
Slant ?
Factually correct press release.
"3. Do we need tax cuts to stimulate the economy! Absolutely NOT! "
..
Funny, according to trends set by our Democratic friends in congress we can increase taxes indefinetely and it will never have any impact on economy.
"On other budget matters, Mr. Reagan never vetoed a single spending bill in eight years even though republicans controlled the Senate for six of those eight and would have sustained that veto. Also, he never proposed to congress a balanced budget or the cuts needed to get there. Mr. Reagan and the republican led Senate voted for and signed into law those deficits. To suggest they didn't want deficits is a stretch."
Heh, so it is Reagan fault that he failed to stop increased spendings which were voted in by Democratic controlled congress.
Every time Reagan submitted budget it was significantly increased after leaving congress.
And now Democrats hold him responsible for running up deficit.
Check this out
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-261.html
Really ?
So leftwing extremists are incapable of "extermination" or racial hatred ?
This is so sad.
For 40 years entire western Europe was growing and multiplaying their wealth under protection of US army and now we have this.
Why do you think France never became part of Soviet Union ? Because of kindness of Soviet people ?
Outlawing any discussion regarding authenticity of Holocaust does not help anyone. ...)
There are still many question that were never fully answered, on the other hand there are many myths which were proved to be false by mainstream historians ( like the stories that Germans made laps out of human skin etc
We all know that millions of people of Jewish ethnicity died during the war- from the historical point of view it really does make a difference if they died because of planned extermination or simply because of negligence.
Laws like that do not help to uncover the real truth.
Above all, there is no reason to outlaw lies unless you are afraid that whatever you know to be truth will not hold up against them.
"Remember our history and that NAZIstic content is against the law in Germany!"
Well, anti-nazi content was against the law in Hitler run Germany. How was that different than what you have now ?