Parent's comment must be trollbait, as randomly installing Apple hardware into a boardroom of any sizable company without IT's say so would have you shot, and your body buried in a shallow ditch somewhere along the NJ turnpike.
Indeed. For the life of me, I can't understand what twisted logic and absence of technical knowledge is required to come up with many of the internet-related ruling these past few years. I keep hearing them, and think, "Surely you jest!" But no, they're actually being serious.
Constantly explaining the facts of life to people who really do live in bubbles is slowly eroding my own sense of sanity. "Do our thinking for us, but let us have veto control over it in case what you're saying displeases us" -> Gah!
More along the lines that it's a calculated maneuver to pre-emptively eliminate the testimony of various people who were negatively affected by the 'disciplinarian' lifestyles of their caregivers, many of whom rely on various religious texts for the justification of their actions.
Somewhere in the confusion of writing diary or journal entries, typically as per a counselor or psychologist's advice, describing their horrible mistreatments, someone will be arrested and successfully prosecuted for their own attempts to put their life back together, further compounding the harm down to them. You watch and wait, it will happen; and may their blood be upon these politicians.
Great, so actual testimony of child abuse from people who were abused as children will become much more difficult to acquire -> this is what this law will functionally become once implemented. Very nice to bring this up while most of the continent is embroiled in sex scandals involving younger children -> it's a backdoor attempt to outlaw such testimony.
What a waste. We already have a protocol that handles all of that -> it's called FTP, which stands for File Transfer Protocol.
And if you have a device which supports this ubiquitous FTP, you don't have to send the files all the way over the internet, just to move them to your laptop or desktop. But then, there are some people out there who like the idea that previously LAN-hosted games can now only be hosted via the author's internet server.
Seriously. I am half-tempted to host a 'build your own PC and get comfortable with it' class, just to do something about it.
But I imagine most corporations, schools, universities, and small countries would balk at my rates (which compare favorably with telephone numbers, the long distance kind; it breaks down to $500 for my actual labor (6 days, 5 hours a day), but then I have to charge for the machine parts, and most importantly, my "I promise on the grave of my forefathers that I shall not smite anyone in this room for the duration of this course, no matter how badly they seem to be asking for it" emotional retainer (which is a fair amount of money, but I am told is well worth it). It takes a supreme amount of buying power these days to keep me in good cheer, mostly do to a variety of seemingly supernatural circumstances. The country doctor, local pharmacist and town brewer are especially skilled at helping me achieve that fabled 'peaceful' mental state.
But yeah, 60 teachers / educators (only people who actually want to be there, better be chipper, but hey, free (extra black) coffee and (jelly-filled, chocolate, french crueller, or blueberry cake) donuts, because I need them to think (which caffeine and copious amounts of sugar will make even the most stubborn individual do)) per session / seminar, in a large lab or warehouse, almost purely hands-on (I'll explain the hardware to you, let you ask whatever questions you like, then walk (each of you, by the hand) them through the process of assembling their machines, then loading the OS / productivity software. And trust me, they will feel free to ask whatever silly questions they want, as they will be surrounded by their own kind with similar questions, and me (of course), who will be placed into a very friendly and relatively 'safe' state by way of their non-refundable deposits.
And the lawsuits for carpal tunnel and RSI will shoot through the roof. There will be so many of them that you will have to put out a want ad for a lawyer, and wait several months in his queue.
While I think tablets are neat, I do realize that their limitations relegate themselves to a toy for the next 5 or 6 years. And wherever I go, I'll be dragging a proper keyboard with me.
Why yes, using something like Garage Band, you have a veritable Skrillex on his way up. That's how the big music producers do it this day -> no studios with expensive sound engineers and noise dampening material; it's all done on an iPad with Garage Band.
*puts on a posh hat and monocle, then sniffs the air* And given the quality of the music they've been putting out lately, that last sentence may not even be sarcasm.
But God help you if you try do anything important with it. And Bob, how do we know that you won't be doing anything important with it? Because like your phone, it's not something easily hooked up to a printer. Important things typically need to be printed even in this day and age.
Indeed. Switching the students over to an untested technology that is purely reliant on what will be congested wireless networks, all while running software that is largely compatible with itself.
They also probably thought they'd outsource themselves to 'teh Cloud,' or whatever the f*ck is supposed to make IT obsolete these days.
And using AppleTVs instead of a $30 cable also sounds like a decision the normally 'best bang for the buck' IT guys looks for.
Yeah, I believe that. Let's call it what it is: some administrators / teachers got their hands on some Apple hardware, it worked 'fine' for them at home, then they got everyone else on-board for the big change, which would help the school district save money by lowering IT costs or some other bullsh*t (because it just works!), and now they are learning the painful lesson that supporting one person is not the same as a few hundred.
Why yes, and there is a lot of content creation going on in the quiet room with the white porcelain throne, but you don't hear anyone else talking about it.
The quality of the content matters, I am not just talking about getting enough fiber here. Writers, programmers, all types which spend the majority of their time hitting keys on the keyboard? They want a keyboard, with mechanical keys or membrane keys, something that doesn't give them RSI or carpal tunnel after writing half a novel / program. A tablet's screen is very unforgiving on the fingers, which is why I laughed at the idea of someone trying to create a large work on them. The money you earn off that work will go to pay your medical bills for the damage you inflicted on yourself.
Let them stick with the iPads! The Windows people don't want the technically illiterate back. It's been nothing but spring cleaning and blue skies since Apple took the bottom 10% of our hands (sadly, their wallets as well, but I'm going to say "It's worth it!"). Let their genius bar keep dealing with them, there's still a lot of mileage left on them, we only heard about them beginning to crack the other day.
But in all seriousness, if this is to become a problem in the States, we have a few options, two of which come to mind:
1.) Reduce the population (birth control, 2-child policy, etc.) or 2.) Make the land more fertile
The first is what a fair number of people are clamoring for, and the second requires some intelligence. I have an experiment I'd like to run some day, of enclosing several acres of farm-land in an inexpensive plastic, ala a large green-house, to see if I cannot grow a full crop of some plant in the northern latitudes during the winter. I have a general idea of how it might work.
As we would then be controlling the environment, namely the climate, of this enclosed area, it might be easy to not only grow crops during the winter (and other seasons), but to greatly increase the yields in general. However, it may not do much for the local scenery. It is also possible that if the yields are large enough, and with some of the risk removed, we might be able to shrink our farm land usage.
None of them are. What they promise, in many cases, is stability, over the governments of old. And they are right, they are very reliable; today is pretty much the same as yesterday.
However, the one major flaw of this design, is that they are kind of built to run on auto-pilot. Your president or prime minister changes, but the institution does not. So, in the odd event that they encounter a situation that they can't handle, there is no one, and I mean, no one, who has enough resources / power / whatever to fix them. Your closest bet is for another government to invade and try to 'fix' things, and your long-shot is an internal rebellion. Failing that, you have a case of the Titanic -> the government believes it has a kind of 'manifest destiny,' a writ from the gods themselves, which results in a superior form of catastrophe (driving straight into an iceberg).
There are 3 days, in theory, between not being able to get a meal, and a major riot / revolution. Less if you believe that quote about it being 3 meals, not 3 days.
The human body though can, theoretically, survive for a month on only water and some vitamins. It takes less than two days to reach any point on this earth. Rest assured that if push comes to shove, the people responsible for botching this up won't be able to get very far away, not before they're overtaken by their own.
We reached that point centuries ago. It's why we invented farming in the first place -> we got tired of chasing our dinners all over the plains, and climbing trees to get fruit / berries or fighting off a hive of angry bees to get honey.
As for organic farming, my chief beef with it is as follows: some places uses night soil or horse / cattle manure to help enrich the soil. As these types of fertilizers carry the significant risk of transmitting parasites and other diseases, I favour non-organic fertilizers, which carry no such risk. I do not want to wake up one day, and find a fluke drilling through my liver or brain or any other part of my body, when it could have been avoided.
And as using those kinds of fertilizers speeds up the evolution of those parasites, by giving them greater and more often access to the human population, the possibility of evolving a super-parasite arises.
I believe using pesticides (synthetic or otherwise) also lowers the possibility of transmission of diseases by eliminating organisms that can infect or poison our food.
The potentially lower yields of organic farming is another sticking point, but some research has shown that they are achieving similar yields these days to conventional farming. And I agree that creating mono-cultures of various plants / animals has the potential to be quite deleterious if a pathogen gets out of hand. The problem with bananas comes to mind.
Nonsense. If I have to sell some stocks to pay my mortgage, the benefit is to the buyer of the stock, and to myself in paying off my mortgage. That I am selling it for not the highest price of all time does not mean I am not receiving a great benefit.
But yes, the entire Web 2.0 thing has been a joke derided by many learned techs over the past few years. It is the DotComs all over again, but without the tech, and with more marketing. And without developing some real ground-breaking technology, the value of these companies is pure fiction. But that hasn't stopped people from trying to cash in on it (herefore named 'suckers / scammers'); I think the major lure is that the campaign for Web 2.0 has been the 'social' aspect which, for some odd reason, is appealing to many (it tickles their fancy), but means suck-all in terms of technology.
I mean, take Microsoft, which during its heyday, put the fear of Bill into people, as they would develop software for every market they could find. Facebook, on the other hand, is just a weblog with an easy to use 'user directory'; their latest big idea is getting an app to run on mobile phones, an app which just provides an interface to the website they already have. Or Instagram, which IMHO is flash in the pan...it's a program which runs a few filters on an image, then crops it, then uploads it.
How about going back to the slightly older model, and focus on tech that lasts for decades / centuries, and can maintain a company indefinitely? How about technology that changes the way we think, as opposed to technology that is just an ease-of-use refinement for what we already have? The technology we want is the kind where even experienced seasoned programmers / IT come across it and go "I didn't even know that was possible."
It's one thing for a skilled magician to impress a crowd of common folk with his art, it's another thing for a skilled magician to impress a crowd of skilled magicians who are sceptical as all f*ck and believe they've seen every variation of every trick that has ever existed. Bonus points if even they can't figure out how you did it.
And that's how it is in the IT / computer industry. Strive not to impress the public, whose standards are low, but your friends, whose standards are high.
Perhaps it was a test to see if mankind could understand the concept of private property. The argument made is that Adam and Eve had more than enough food to eat, and it was this one tree that God wanted for himself.
Think of it not as a Bible story, but in terms of a common story -> who here on/. has gone to university? Did you ever live in the dorms, or an apartment? Did you share it with other people? Has anyone ever had the problem of their roommate (or themselves) taking food or toiletries that were clearly not theirs, and even though it was a minor thing, it was the act of taking it, of blatantly saying "Fuck you, I don't respect you enough to ask you before taking"?
I had a similar problem with my apartment. I had roommates, and sometimes they would get super-drunk or stoned, and then they'd eat my food. I'd buy a pizza, thinking that it would last me a few days (if I just ate two slices a day for a meal), and I could save myself some major money, only to find my roommate had invited a few friends over with him, who went into the fridge, and ate it. It wasn't a one-time thing, it was repeatedly. Their response when I asked them to stop eating my food? "Dude, it's community property. I mean, you can't ask us not to eat it after we get stoned, we get the munchies!" No, ass, you didn't pay for it, it's not yours! Buy your own damn food, and quit being a douche. You don't even ask before taking it, and you give me a non-apology when I confront you? Still makes me angry.
And the part where they just smiled as they looked at me, telling me they would take my food, and eat it inside my apartment...I will never share another apartment with anyone.
Even though it's Sci-Fi, I almost like to believe that human beings move from planet to planet, using up local resources and destroying them.
The cycle would be constant, and self-fulfilling: We use technology to get off the old planet, and to settle onto a new one. Then a generation or so later, we blame the evils that destroyed the old planet on our technology, and swear it off so we can 'commune' with nature / our new home. This works for a few more generations until we realize that it wasn't technology that destroyed our old home, but our actions and stupidity. Then we we fight over how to 'save' our new home from ourselves, with half being against technology, and half being for it. Thus we are stuck in a disagreement, we try to do accomplish both angles at once. Something happens during this time (it's unknown, but recurring on every planet, and the records are always purged), and humanity begins fighting itself. The result of this fight ends in the doom of our new home, and we use technology to move onto yet another planet.
To this degree, Mars and Venus may have been habitable planets (as well as the others) that have been destroyed by odd processes. And in time, they may become habitable again.
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But if you make laws to protect people's privacy, then the terrorists win!
Because only a terrorist would want to protect their privacy.
Parent's comment must be trollbait, as randomly installing Apple hardware into a boardroom of any sizable company without IT's say so would have you shot, and your body buried in a shallow ditch somewhere along the NJ turnpike.
Fine, then let's go with an eSata connector, and let whatever is accessing the device use it like an external hard drive.
Indeed. For the life of me, I can't understand what twisted logic and absence of technical knowledge is required to come up with many of the internet-related ruling these past few years. I keep hearing them, and think, "Surely you jest!" But no, they're actually being serious.
Constantly explaining the facts of life to people who really do live in bubbles is slowly eroding my own sense of sanity. "Do our thinking for us, but let us have veto control over it in case what you're saying displeases us" -> Gah!
More along the lines that it's a calculated maneuver to pre-emptively eliminate the testimony of various people who were negatively affected by the 'disciplinarian' lifestyles of their caregivers, many of whom rely on various religious texts for the justification of their actions.
Somewhere in the confusion of writing diary or journal entries, typically as per a counselor or psychologist's advice, describing their horrible mistreatments, someone will be arrested and successfully prosecuted for their own attempts to put their life back together, further compounding the harm down to them. You watch and wait, it will happen; and may their blood be upon these politicians.
Great, so actual testimony of child abuse from people who were abused as children will become much more difficult to acquire -> this is what this law will functionally become once implemented. Very nice to bring this up while most of the continent is embroiled in sex scandals involving younger children -> it's a backdoor attempt to outlaw such testimony.
Indeed. As a tech, it's usually the noon-day sun that summons me from my slumber, or failing that, the still of the night.
What a waste. We already have a protocol that handles all of that -> it's called FTP, which stands for File Transfer Protocol.
And if you have a device which supports this ubiquitous FTP, you don't have to send the files all the way over the internet, just to move them to your laptop or desktop. But then, there are some people out there who like the idea that previously LAN-hosted games can now only be hosted via the author's internet server.
Seriously. I am half-tempted to host a 'build your own PC and get comfortable with it' class, just to do something about it.
But I imagine most corporations, schools, universities, and small countries would balk at my rates (which compare favorably with telephone numbers, the long distance kind; it breaks down to $500 for my actual labor (6 days, 5 hours a day), but then I have to charge for the machine parts, and most importantly, my "I promise on the grave of my forefathers that I shall not smite anyone in this room for the duration of this course, no matter how badly they seem to be asking for it" emotional retainer (which is a fair amount of money, but I am told is well worth it). It takes a supreme amount of buying power these days to keep me in good cheer, mostly do to a variety of seemingly supernatural circumstances. The country doctor, local pharmacist and town brewer are especially skilled at helping me achieve that fabled 'peaceful' mental state.
But yeah, 60 teachers / educators (only people who actually want to be there, better be chipper, but hey, free (extra black) coffee and (jelly-filled, chocolate, french crueller, or blueberry cake) donuts, because I need them to think (which caffeine and copious amounts of sugar will make even the most stubborn individual do)) per session / seminar, in a large lab or warehouse, almost purely hands-on (I'll explain the hardware to you, let you ask whatever questions you like, then walk (each of you, by the hand) them through the process of assembling their machines, then loading the OS / productivity software. And trust me, they will feel free to ask whatever silly questions they want, as they will be surrounded by their own kind with similar questions, and me (of course), who will be placed into a very friendly and relatively 'safe' state by way of their non-refundable deposits.
And the lawsuits for carpal tunnel and RSI will shoot through the roof. There will be so many of them that you will have to put out a want ad for a lawyer, and wait several months in his queue.
While I think tablets are neat, I do realize that their limitations relegate themselves to a toy for the next 5 or 6 years. And wherever I go, I'll be dragging a proper keyboard with me.
Why yes, using something like Garage Band, you have a veritable Skrillex on his way up. That's how the big music producers do it this day -> no studios with expensive sound engineers and noise dampening material; it's all done on an iPad with Garage Band.
*puts on a posh hat and monocle, then sniffs the air* And given the quality of the music they've been putting out lately, that last sentence may not even be sarcasm.
Yeah, it just works!
But God help you if you try do anything important with it. And Bob, how do we know that you won't be doing anything important with it? Because like your phone, it's not something easily hooked up to a printer. Important things typically need to be printed even in this day and age.
Indeed. Switching the students over to an untested technology that is purely reliant on what will be congested wireless networks, all while running software that is largely compatible with itself.
They also probably thought they'd outsource themselves to 'teh Cloud,' or whatever the f*ck is supposed to make IT obsolete these days.
And using AppleTVs instead of a $30 cable also sounds like a decision the normally 'best bang for the buck' IT guys looks for.
Yeah, I believe that. Let's call it what it is: some administrators / teachers got their hands on some Apple hardware, it worked 'fine' for them at home, then they got everyone else on-board for the big change, which would help the school district save money by lowering IT costs or some other bullsh*t (because it just works!), and now they are learning the painful lesson that supporting one person is not the same as a few hundred.
Why yes, and there is a lot of content creation going on in the quiet room with the white porcelain throne, but you don't hear anyone else talking about it.
The quality of the content matters, I am not just talking about getting enough fiber here. Writers, programmers, all types which spend the majority of their time hitting keys on the keyboard? They want a keyboard, with mechanical keys or membrane keys, something that doesn't give them RSI or carpal tunnel after writing half a novel / program. A tablet's screen is very unforgiving on the fingers, which is why I laughed at the idea of someone trying to create a large work on them. The money you earn off that work will go to pay your medical bills for the damage you inflicted on yourself.
Let them stick with the iPads! The Windows people don't want the technically illiterate back. It's been nothing but spring cleaning and blue skies since Apple took the bottom 10% of our hands (sadly, their wallets as well, but I'm going to say "It's worth it!"). Let their genius bar keep dealing with them, there's still a lot of mileage left on them, we only heard about them beginning to crack the other day.
Indeed. There is nothing 'green' about it, though I'm sure the iPhone crowd will probably find they can't do without it.
It just bleeds energy into the atmosphere. Running your GPU at full tilt to generate BitCoins might be less dangerous.
But in all seriousness, if this is to become a problem in the States, we have a few options, two of which come to mind:
1.) Reduce the population (birth control, 2-child policy, etc.) or
2.) Make the land more fertile
The first is what a fair number of people are clamoring for, and the second requires some intelligence. I have an experiment I'd like to run some day, of enclosing several acres of farm-land in an inexpensive plastic, ala a large green-house, to see if I cannot grow a full crop of some plant in the northern latitudes during the winter. I have a general idea of how it might work.
As we would then be controlling the environment, namely the climate, of this enclosed area, it might be easy to not only grow crops during the winter (and other seasons), but to greatly increase the yields in general. However, it may not do much for the local scenery. It is also possible that if the yields are large enough, and with some of the risk removed, we might be able to shrink our farm land usage.
None of them are. What they promise, in many cases, is stability, over the governments of old. And they are right, they are very reliable; today is pretty much the same as yesterday.
However, the one major flaw of this design, is that they are kind of built to run on auto-pilot. Your president or prime minister changes, but the institution does not. So, in the odd event that they encounter a situation that they can't handle, there is no one, and I mean, no one, who has enough resources / power / whatever to fix them. Your closest bet is for another government to invade and try to 'fix' things, and your long-shot is an internal rebellion. Failing that, you have a case of the Titanic -> the government believes it has a kind of 'manifest destiny,' a writ from the gods themselves, which results in a superior form of catastrophe (driving straight into an iceberg).
There are 3 days, in theory, between not being able to get a meal, and a major riot / revolution. Less if you believe that quote about it being 3 meals, not 3 days.
The human body though can, theoretically, survive for a month on only water and some vitamins. It takes less than two days to reach any point on this earth. Rest assured that if push comes to shove, the people responsible for botching this up won't be able to get very far away, not before they're overtaken by their own.
Indeed, because the ham-fistedness of various governments have been so wonderful.
I take it you don't trust any science outside of a peer reviewed journal?
We reached that point centuries ago. It's why we invented farming in the first place -> we got tired of chasing our dinners all over the plains, and climbing trees to get fruit / berries or fighting off a hive of angry bees to get honey.
As for organic farming, my chief beef with it is as follows: some places uses night soil or horse / cattle manure to help enrich the soil. As these types of fertilizers carry the significant risk of transmitting parasites and other diseases, I favour non-organic fertilizers, which carry no such risk. I do not want to wake up one day, and find a fluke drilling through my liver or brain or any other part of my body, when it could have been avoided.
And as using those kinds of fertilizers speeds up the evolution of those parasites, by giving them greater and more often access to the human population, the possibility of evolving a super-parasite arises.
I believe using pesticides (synthetic or otherwise) also lowers the possibility of transmission of diseases by eliminating organisms that can infect or poison our food.
The potentially lower yields of organic farming is another sticking point, but some research has shown that they are achieving similar yields these days to conventional farming. And I agree that creating mono-cultures of various plants / animals has the potential to be quite deleterious if a pathogen gets out of hand. The problem with bananas comes to mind.
These are my concerns with organic food.
Nonsense. If I have to sell some stocks to pay my mortgage, the benefit is to the buyer of the stock, and to myself in paying off my mortgage. That I am selling it for not the highest price of all time does not mean I am not receiving a great benefit.
But yes, the entire Web 2.0 thing has been a joke derided by many learned techs over the past few years. It is the DotComs all over again, but without the tech, and with more marketing. And without developing some real ground-breaking technology, the value of these companies is pure fiction. But that hasn't stopped people from trying to cash in on it (herefore named 'suckers / scammers'); I think the major lure is that the campaign for Web 2.0 has been the 'social' aspect which, for some odd reason, is appealing to many (it tickles their fancy), but means suck-all in terms of technology.
I mean, take Microsoft, which during its heyday, put the fear of Bill into people, as they would develop software for every market they could find. Facebook, on the other hand, is just a weblog with an easy to use 'user directory'; their latest big idea is getting an app to run on mobile phones, an app which just provides an interface to the website they already have. Or Instagram, which IMHO is flash in the pan...it's a program which runs a few filters on an image, then crops it, then uploads it.
How about going back to the slightly older model, and focus on tech that lasts for decades / centuries, and can maintain a company indefinitely? How about technology that changes the way we think, as opposed to technology that is just an ease-of-use refinement for what we already have? The technology we want is the kind where even experienced seasoned programmers / IT come across it and go "I didn't even know that was possible."
It's one thing for a skilled magician to impress a crowd of common folk with his art, it's another thing for a skilled magician to impress a crowd of skilled magicians who are sceptical as all f*ck and believe they've seen every variation of every trick that has ever existed. Bonus points if even they can't figure out how you did it.
And that's how it is in the IT / computer industry. Strive not to impress the public, whose standards are low, but your friends, whose standards are high.
Perhaps it was a test to see if mankind could understand the concept of private property. The argument made is that Adam and Eve had more than enough food to eat, and it was this one tree that God wanted for himself.
Think of it not as a Bible story, but in terms of a common story -> who here on /. has gone to university? Did you ever live in the dorms, or an apartment? Did you share it with other people? Has anyone ever had the problem of their roommate (or themselves) taking food or toiletries that were clearly not theirs, and even though it was a minor thing, it was the act of taking it, of blatantly saying "Fuck you, I don't respect you enough to ask you before taking"?
I had a similar problem with my apartment. I had roommates, and sometimes they would get super-drunk or stoned, and then they'd eat my food. I'd buy a pizza, thinking that it would last me a few days (if I just ate two slices a day for a meal), and I could save myself some major money, only to find my roommate had invited a few friends over with him, who went into the fridge, and ate it. It wasn't a one-time thing, it was repeatedly. Their response when I asked them to stop eating my food? "Dude, it's community property. I mean, you can't ask us not to eat it after we get stoned, we get the munchies!" No, ass, you didn't pay for it, it's not yours! Buy your own damn food, and quit being a douche. You don't even ask before taking it, and you give me a non-apology when I confront you? Still makes me angry.
And the part where they just smiled as they looked at me, telling me they would take my food, and eat it inside my apartment...I will never share another apartment with anyone.
Even though it's Sci-Fi, I almost like to believe that human beings move from planet to planet, using up local resources and destroying them.
The cycle would be constant, and self-fulfilling: We use technology to get off the old planet, and to settle onto a new one. Then a generation or so later, we blame the evils that destroyed the old planet on our technology, and swear it off so we can 'commune' with nature / our new home. This works for a few more generations until we realize that it wasn't technology that destroyed our old home, but our actions and stupidity. Then we we fight over how to 'save' our new home from ourselves, with half being against technology, and half being for it. Thus we are stuck in a disagreement, we try to do accomplish both angles at once. Something happens during this time (it's unknown, but recurring on every planet, and the records are always purged), and humanity begins fighting itself. The result of this fight ends in the doom of our new home, and we use technology to move onto yet another planet.
To this degree, Mars and Venus may have been habitable planets (as well as the others) that have been destroyed by odd processes. And in time, they may become habitable again.