and then actually build some useful applications using it and we'll see...
Are there any real java applications out there? Unlike perl, Python, C, C++ etc java seems to have not a lot of really functional, fast widely used applications. Applix was a great office suite that (unlike Corel Wordperfect) really was ported to java and ran fast. It never got widely used and it's mostly dead now. Does Sun have any sample applications or any **proof** that java actually works?? (perl and Python we know work C#.NET we are waiting for...). Java has had 5 years - where's the beef?
However SGI retains its dignity (and has a nicer web site) - or at least is regaining it after commiting to NT and becoming an expensive version of Dell for 6 months.
Do they have meetings over there? Does one group know what the other is doing?? Do they plan **anything** or just react to everything.
Is linux good (e.g. penguin suit McNealy rah rah - they buy cobalt rah rah) or bad (witness their idiot VP's article slamming Linux instead of IBM)
Is Apache good or bad??? Is Java open or closed.
Oh by the way what color and logo is associated with Sun now?? Does Sun == purple or that puky brownish green stuff on their home page these days. Perhaps it's time to scrap the old logo and introduce something unrecognizable... like a 3-D brownish blob maybe. Yeah that'd bea good idea (just the kind of thing they'd dream up these days)...
Is the stress of constantly playing reactoid marketing to MS catching up with you? What does Sun stand for? Have a meeting people and decide for gawd's sake?
... Either violate sensless copyrights on the work of dead artists everyday and in every way you possibly can. If this is too risky then be at pains to point out the flaws of a system that encourages the enrichment of the talentless (even stupid) family of a person who writes a story that gets turned into a popular film.
The current intellectual property regime encourages the enrichment of a corporation that believes it has an exclusive right to draw a certain style of cartoon mice (a corporation that rips off folk tales because its own hacks couldn't concoct a story to save their hides...).
I always spoke French awkwardly (many anglo Canadians speak French with an Anglo accent on purpose in order to signal they "don't really speak French")... Finally I had a class where the French teacher said: "il faut exagérer pour prendre l'habitude - tu devrais faire semblant que tu es Pepe Le Pew à chaque fois que tu parles français".
- low cost (all the following features are free the cost extra on Windows)
- easy to use in "thin client" setups, VNC, terminals, etc. Admin all GUI desktops on one or two servers ("on" not "from")
- ease of preventing users from installing applications. Save data to partitions mounted "no-exec", wipe and restore $HOME on each login, etc.
- XFS, ext3, KDE, mozilla, VNC, X (yup X is going to be the killer app it was never allowed to be - yes it *will*). Mark my words and when you are shokced to discover at a future place of work that you have a legacy Windows desktop running *inside X* or that a suite of custom applications your employer purchases comes with a "remote viewer" (aka X).
- lack of applications (this is a *GOOD* thing) You don't want users downloading and installing the latest Windows vid player, virii or whatever else.
Office apps are dinosaurs soon to die. Who sits around writing long documents with MS-Word these days? Do companies mandate that everyone install their own copy of Excl because spreadsheets are better than Web apps or do you fill out your expense reports using... yup a **browser**.
And even if those old fashioned type docs are used where do they end up? On the Web. The browser is the OS these days - even Microsoft wants everything to run on.NET and over the web.
Plus things like 100-200 day uptimes on servers with 400 users doing GUI logins from 96 X-terminals help to push the use of of Linux on the "desktop" (only, *where is* the desktop?).
Things like a Sun server with 64 CPUs a GiG of RAM surrounded by el cheapo Linux diskless workstations will become very normal in gov't a business... since you can install the same desktop and a free OS at home and on your laptop well... you get the picture.
And once again... the main reason Linux will *WIN* on the desktop: *LACK OF APPLICATIONS* ... it was one of the primary success factors for Windows 3.1
You're probably one of those people that wants cheap reliable service... maybe with a small tax increment to subsidize universal access policies in remote areas etc. etc.
Well, you dinosaur... get with the program - this is the knowledge-based information economy: all the best of technology is brought to us by pure power of the darwinian marketplace. So quit whining and either get back to working on your genetic therapy patent application (but I doubt you have one since you are so obviously a *moron*); or go back to your rustic log cabin in the woods and read Walden or something...
I mean they can't really grow their market share in desktop PC operating systems... In fact these days if they don't move into other related sectors they'll shrink heheh
I truly believe Linus is watching and considering this as part of his (not so secret) retirement plan. Eventually, post 2.6, Linux kernel development will be run like this...:-P
"all code hosted on mozilla org requires active ownership"...
You can't survive in a capitalist society if you can't make money.
mmm 'K... but uhh "capitalism" can't survive without vast public investment, without selfless non-profit oriented labour (like raising kids, reproducing, etc). When will people learn that what they think of as "capitalism" (it's not clear what most people think this is...) is not some kind of "reality" that all social and economic activity must deal with... it's just a way of organizing society (i.e. commercial and adminstrative law, the division of wealth, access to poltical power, etc.). Whole societies and eras of history were organized completely differently - around religion, tradition, etc. They came and went... so will "capitalism".
Capitalism is unique only in its quality of being highly "productive" by some raw measures (but it's destructive and wasteful too... its productivity allows for plastic Disney characters that are manufactured in China to be shipped by airplane to air conditioned McDonalds in Texas - wow what an accomplishment!). The other unique thing is that it is currently the predominant legal and economic system of most (not all) societies - it is layered over many other traditional forms of of social relations of course, on which it depends in various ways. Because we live in a temporal universe and capitalism exists "now", many (especially the young and those averse to analysis) believe that it is the "end" of history, or the "last and best" system. They seem blinded to the massive changes that capitalism has itself undergone in the last 50 years or to the tension and contradiction inherent in a hyperproductive system which does not distribute wealth (or opportunity) in a politically sustainable way.
BTW historically speaking the software industry was essentially a creation of government, as well, money is the creation of government, the legal system on which economic activity rests is maintained by government. In fact all the things that are of importance to social life where one cannot "make money" fall outside of the purview of capitalism.
Of course some argue that the ability to profit in certain domains (e.g. by raising children or treating the ill) is simply a function of the relative "freedom" afforded by given societies to do so (and that capitalism and this freedom go hand in hand). But whether one society chooses to allow more or less of this "freedom" is completely arbitrary and is not related to some fundamental quality of human beings or human societies. Denmark and the U.S. have different health care systems. Danes are free to worry less about their aging parents affecting their bank accounts, Americans are free form corporations that are more competitive than existing firms and thus to make money caring for the elderly. Maybe Danes are worse off than Americans... it's hard to measure these kinds of things. It's clear Danes and Americans are both better of than the people of Mali and that capitalism hasn't functioned too well in terms of closing the gap between Mali and developed countries. I wonder how long it will take ?
... once he cleans house for a while and modularizes all the interfaces nicely and a cool python based gui/curses/none config system is ready (i.e. when linux will have reached 2.5.99... 2 years from now) he will begin to ascend the mountain leaving his creation behind. After all there will no longer be a big pile of source called the "linux kernel" maintained by Linus at that point. There will be a refined and perfected architecture into which pieces of code, drivers modules can be inserted in ways that require zero or no changes to other modules. It will be as easy to write drivers and kernel modules as it is to write apache modules and CGI scripts. Kernel modules in java and python will be all the rage... written by grade school kids and retired grannies:-)
The much ballyhooed and silly myth of Linux being unmaintainable by one person will be proven moot once and for all. At that point the kernel will be "maintained" by a vast decentralized and motly unorganized army of engineers, and hackers because Linus will have designed it so. One or two people per module
who may never even talk to another mdoule driver owners... that's the secret that's coming. Their will be an "official" Linux on sourceforge say. Any code or modules to be included will only compile and work in the official kernel if it plugs into the source control and build system nicely (which will require documentation strings and a clean code style) all enforced by machine. The core code will only change every 6 months to a year... or maybe never. After all BSDi kernel hasn't changed too much nor QNX... when something is good and done it stays the same for a while.
Linux will have reached maturity and will reign the world during its coming golden era.... 10 years will pass and then some hacker will come along and....
Use HTML. It helped the Web get started and get popular.
For you high-level high-paid government policy makers (over 200K Euros a year likely): the Web is the clicky mouse part of the Internet, with the http:// and the links etc.
... I just plug a printer in and print from any app or any host on the network all with plain lpr/lpd setup. Usually takes no more than a couple of minutes. I have no CUPSn no LprNG, no turbo whiz-bang.... no nuthin'
The US is certainly an exception. They accept the fact that sports stars, (some)lawyers and (some) doctors should be hugely overpaid. Luckily though one is allowed to own guns so raving lawyers can be dealt "Shakespearean" justice...;-)
... the upcoming moho (which is cool "gets it"), canada.com umm... heh heh and lots of others is totally unblocked and open..... Now where do I want to go today?:-P
What does MSN.com have: a compelling set of features such that I would want to change operating systems and browsers to view it?
I don't think Microsoft *software* is that good but some people swear by it and I'll grant them they have a 20 year history of marketing and mindshare so maybe there's something to it... But uhh doesn anyone in the whole *world* think Microsodt knows *anything* about content? After reading their encyclopedias one feels *dumber*, there is certainly nothing *cool or hip* about MSNBC or MS entertainment and media content... they make Walt Disney from the 50's look funky. Actually yeah there's a good point of comparison: Disney is hipper cooler and more with it that Microsoft... that says a lot.
Mr. Bill G. before you start shutting down access to your content **go and buy a few companies that know how to make it *** and then oh yeah let them actually do it. The "partnership with NBC doesn't count since you have dumbed them down to a level of insipid idiocy that is embarassing. Bill, Paul uhh you know **shite** about content - either go back to school or get out of the road.
MSN blocking access is kind of like a popular clothing company saying you can't come and drive our Edsels until you change your clothes or something... jeez... Just be happy people are wearing your clothes.
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... all that threatens Disney's right to eternal existence must be elimimated:
...
- time
- technology
- art
- people drawing pictures of mice
Umm except that java and swing are way too slow to use for anything except .... umm well they're just too slow.
and then actually build some useful applications using it and we'll see ...
.NET we are waiting for ...). Java has had 5 years - where's the beef?
Are there any real java applications out there? Unlike perl, Python, C, C++ etc java seems to have not a lot of really functional, fast widely used applications. Applix was a great office suite that (unlike Corel Wordperfect) really was ported to java and ran fast. It never got widely used and it's mostly dead now. Does Sun have any sample applications or any **proof** that java actually works?? (perl and Python we know work C#
Amen ...
However SGI retains its dignity (and has a nicer web site) - or at least is regaining it after commiting to NT and becoming an expensive version of Dell for 6 months.
Do they have meetings over there? Does one group know what the other is doing?? Do they plan **anything** or just react to everything.
Is linux good (e.g. penguin suit McNealy rah rah - they buy cobalt rah rah) or bad (witness their idiot VP's article slamming Linux instead of IBM)
Is Apache good or bad??? Is Java open or closed.
Oh by the way what color and logo is associated with Sun now?? Does Sun == purple or that puky brownish green stuff on their home page these days. Perhaps it's time to scrap the old logo and introduce something unrecognizable
Is the stress of constantly playing reactoid marketing to MS catching up with you? What does Sun stand for? Have a meeting people and decide for gawd's sake?
and they're great:
http://www.cobalt.com/
The current intellectual property regime encourages the enrichment of a corporation that believes it has an exclusive right to draw a certain style of cartoon mice (a corporation that rips off folk tales because its own hacks couldn't concoct a story to save their hides...).
I always spoke French awkwardly (many anglo Canadians speak French with an Anglo accent on purpose in order to signal they "don't really speak French")
Heheh
It will win big time desktop share because of:
... yup a **browser**.
.NET and over the web.
... since you can install the same desktop and a free OS at home and on your laptop well ... you get the picture.
... the main reason Linux will *WIN* on the desktop: *LACK OF APPLICATIONS*
- low cost (all the following features are free the cost extra on Windows)
- easy to use in "thin client" setups, VNC, terminals, etc. Admin all GUI desktops on one or two servers ("on" not "from")
- ease of preventing users from installing applications. Save data to partitions mounted "no-exec", wipe and restore $HOME on each login, etc.
- XFS, ext3, KDE, mozilla, VNC, X (yup X is going to be the killer app it was never allowed to be - yes it *will*). Mark my words and when you are shokced to discover at a future place of work that you have a legacy Windows desktop running *inside X* or that a suite of custom applications your employer purchases comes with a "remote viewer" (aka X).
- lack of applications (this is a *GOOD* thing) You don't want users downloading and installing the latest Windows vid player, virii or whatever else.
Office apps are dinosaurs soon to die. Who sits around writing long documents with MS-Word these days? Do companies mandate that everyone install their own copy of Excl because spreadsheets are better than Web apps or do you fill out your expense reports using
And even if those old fashioned type docs are used where do they end up? On the Web. The browser is the OS these days - even Microsoft wants everything to run on
Plus things like 100-200 day uptimes on servers with 400 users doing GUI logins from 96 X-terminals help to push the use of of Linux on the "desktop" (only, *where is* the desktop?).
Things like a Sun server with 64 CPUs a GiG of RAM surrounded by el cheapo Linux diskless workstations will become very normal in gov't a business
And once again
... it was one of the primary success factors for Windows 3.1
You're probably one of those people that wants cheap reliable service ... maybe with a small tax increment to subsidize universal access policies in remote areas etc. etc.
... get with the program - this is the knowledge-based information economy: all the best of technology is brought to us by pure power of the darwinian marketplace. So quit whining and either get back to working on your genetic therapy patent application (but I doubt you have one since you are so obviously a *moron*); or go back to your rustic log cabin in the woods and read Walden or something ...
Well, you dinosaur
:-P
I mean they can't really grow their market share in desktop PC operating systems ... In fact these days if they don't move into other related sectors they'll shrink heheh
... etc. are simply brilliant.
... :-P
...
I truly believe Linus is watching and considering this as part of his (not so secret) retirement plan. Eventually, post 2.6, Linux kernel development will be run like this
"all code hosted on mozilla org requires active ownership"
mmm 'K ... but uhh "capitalism" can't survive without vast public investment, without selfless non-profit oriented labour (like raising kids, reproducing, etc). When will people learn that what they think of as "capitalism" (it's not clear what most people think this is ...) is not some kind of "reality" that all social and economic activity must deal with ... it's just a way of organizing society (i.e. commercial and adminstrative law, the division of wealth, access to poltical power, etc.). Whole societies and eras of history were organized completely differently - around religion, tradition, etc. They came and went ... so will "capitalism".
Capitalism is unique only in its quality of being highly "productive" by some raw measures (but it's destructive and wasteful too ... its productivity allows for plastic Disney characters that are manufactured in China to be shipped by airplane to air conditioned McDonalds in Texas - wow what an accomplishment!). The other unique thing is that it is currently the predominant legal and economic system of most (not all) societies - it is layered over many other traditional forms of of social relations of course, on which it depends in various ways. Because we live in a temporal universe and capitalism exists "now", many (especially the young and those averse to analysis) believe that it is the "end" of history, or the "last and best" system. They seem blinded to the massive changes that capitalism has itself undergone in the last 50 years or to the tension and contradiction inherent in a hyperproductive system which does not distribute wealth (or opportunity) in a politically sustainable way.
BTW historically speaking the software industry was essentially a creation of government, as well, money is the creation of government, the legal system on which economic activity rests is maintained by government. In fact all the things that are of importance to social life where one cannot "make money" fall outside of the purview of capitalism.
Of course some argue that the ability to profit in certain domains (e.g. by raising children or treating the ill) is simply a function of the relative "freedom" afforded by given societies to do so (and that capitalism and this freedom go hand in hand). But whether one society chooses to allow more or less of this "freedom" is completely arbitrary and is not related to some fundamental quality of human beings or human societies. Denmark and the U.S. have different health care systems. Danes are free to worry less about their aging parents affecting their bank accounts, Americans are free form corporations that are more competitive than existing firms and thus to make money caring for the elderly. Maybe Danes are worse off than Americans ... it's hard to measure these kinds of things. It's clear Danes and Americans are both better of than the people of Mali and that capitalism hasn't functioned too well in terms of closing the gap between Mali and developed countries. I wonder how long it will take ?
... www.sixgirls.org
Now go and install mozilla
... once he cleans house for a while and modularizes all the interfaces nicely and a cool python based gui/curses/none config system is ready (i.e. when linux will have reached 2.5.99 ... 2 years from now) he will begin to ascend the mountain leaving his creation behind. After all there will no longer be a big pile of source called the "linux kernel" maintained by Linus at that point. There will be a refined and perfected architecture into which pieces of code, drivers modules can be inserted in ways that require zero or no changes to other modules. It will be as easy to write drivers and kernel modules as it is to write apache modules and CGI scripts. Kernel modules in java and python will be all the rage ... written by grade school kids and retired grannies :-)
... that's the secret that's coming. Their will be an "official" Linux on sourceforge say. Any code or modules to be included will only compile and work in the official kernel if it plugs into the source control and build system nicely (which will require documentation strings and a clean code style) all enforced by machine. The core code will only change every 6 months to a year ... or maybe never. After all BSDi kernel hasn't changed too much nor QNX ... when something is good and done it stays the same for a while.
... 10 years will pass and then some hacker will come along and ....
The much ballyhooed and silly myth of Linux being unmaintainable by one person will be proven moot once and for all. At that point the kernel will be "maintained" by a vast decentralized and motly unorganized army of engineers, and hackers because Linus will have designed it so. One or two people per module
who may never even talk to another mdoule driver owners
Linux will have reached maturity and will reign the world during its coming golden era.
... the MNG and JNG support.
MNG seems more complete and it certinaly nicer than animated GIFs for quality.
http://www.libmng.com/MNGsuite/
e.g.
PID USER PRI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND
8337 kon 11 51768 50M 15796 S 5.3 23.2 2:15 mozilla-bin
8560 kon 9 10908 10M 6504 S 1.8 4.8 1:06 opera
Truly small and fast enough for 133 with 32 megs
... as threats to the "Homeland".
Use HTML. It helped the Web get started and get popular.
For you high-level high-paid government policy makers (over 200K Euros a year likely): the Web is the clicky mouse part of the Internet, with the http:// and the links etc.
... I just plug a printer in and print from any app or any host on the network all with plain lpr/lpd setup. Usually takes no more than a couple of minutes. I have no CUPSn no LprNG, no turbo whiz-bang .... no nuthin'
...
"But how? How do you do it?" you ask
RTFM and buy postscript printers. Not hard.
or Zope or anything esle?
The US is certainly an exception. They accept the fact that sports stars, (some)lawyers and (some) doctors should be hugely overpaid. Luckily though one is allowed to own guns so raving lawyers can be dealt "Shakespearean" justice ... ;-)
... the upcoming moho (which is cool "gets it"), canada.com umm
What does MSN.com have: a compelling set of features such that I would want to change operating systems and browsers to view it?
I don't think Microsoft *software* is that good but some people swear by it and I'll grant them they have a 20 year history of marketing and mindshare so maybe there's something to it
Mr. Bill G. before you start shutting down access to your content **go and buy a few companies that know how to make it *** and then oh yeah let them actually do it. The "partnership with NBC doesn't count since you have dumbed them down to a level of insipid idiocy that is embarassing. Bill, Paul uhh you know **shite** about content - either go back to school or get out of the road.
MSN blocking access is kind of like a popular clothing company saying you can't come and drive our Edsels until you change your clothes or something