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Microsoft Enters the Cell Phone OS Market
PuZZLeR writes: "Today, Microsoft unveiled a new operating system for mobile phones (named 'Windows Powered Smartphone 2002') and plans to fully enter the wireless data devices with voice capabilities by utilizing both cellphones and PDA devices. TI already created a reference design for the Ms powered phone. While this sounds like Microsoft is going after Handspring, RIM or Danger, cellphone OS manufactures, like Nokia and OpenWave are expected to counteract to the announcements. Today, Nokia announced it will offer mobile phone makers its own development kit and OS."
You will be forced to connect to Windows Mobile Messanger before you can actually USE your phone's features! Brace yourselves for NokiaXP...
Oh. Wait a minute...
Got Rhinos?
I hope they do better than "prior" track records show.
-JB
"I love deadlines. I love the "whooshing" sound they make as they pass by." - Douglas Adams.
I cant wait till I awnser the phone and get
"Hi, How are you? I send you this call in order to have your advice"
Yeah!!!
#include sig.h
Man that is going to suck when your trapped out in the wilderness, flat tire, and no food.
Where is the hotswap redundant PHONE?!!!
Neck_of_the_Woods
#/usr/local/surf/glassy/overhead
I forsee a MMMP (Microsoft Mobile Messaging Protocol) being developed, completely incompatible with everything on the market. Microsoft will give away the phone and service for free. Anyone that wants to compete switches to MMMP. Market domination at best.
Why not just make airtime free?
What good is a BSOD if the screen is unable to display the color blue?
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
How is this a "familiar Windows environment", other than a vaguely-XP scheme?
Got Rhinos?
Ok... I thought that when Windows CE came out that it was a horrible name:
WinCE
This one is just as bad...
Winmps
Mattel, SLAPP terrorists intent on destroying free speech.
"Windows Powered Smartphone 2002"
lol, why not call it "super-great windows CE awesome gnarly future-smart-phone 2002"
I mean, seriously.. why not call it like "Smartphone XP" or just throw an XP at the end of a decent brand name (nokia 7100XP)?
ok, I'm done my ignorant comments.. time to read the article and see how far off I really am.
Ciryon
that way we know the thing will be secure. (*wipes sweat off brow.*) Otherwise, who knows?
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Phone- You have reached Papa Johns, please hold.
Remember, it's a feature, not a bug.
OK.
;)
:)
Most cell phones don't have that much data storage... right?
... but what about IE? IE can't be separated from windows so they will have an extra 20M there...
Right...
If anyone's ever read Bill Gate's book "The Road Ahead", this will sound chillingly familiar. In this book, he described how he'd like to see every appliance integrated into a central system (all of course designed by Microsoft ;-). This is just one more stepping stone.
His vision, then, would be that you turn on your phone, log into the Hailstorm cellphone server, check your hotmail and sms in one, perhaps unfold your laptop running XP and download the messages, go home and turn on your TV running a microsoft-style tivo, put on your MS Stereo running off an XP music server, and so on. Total saturation, with total control from Redmond.
"Hello Ma, how are you?" ..."
....
"Hey, I'm fine but
*Piiiieeeepppp*
"A fatal error occrued at 00x24624, press any button reboot your phone"
Jeeezzz
Life sucks.
soon we'll see 1337 keygens to get free phone calls? i can't wait
[dials 9-1-1]
Phone- You have reached Papa Johns, please hold.
[dies of heart complications]
Remember, it's a feature, not a bug.
Why not spend the effort advertising the Sanyo SCP-5150 instead, a very cool, full-feature phone that can meow out of the box, in addition to the normal wireless web, color LCD, blah the fuck blah.
Or maybe we could concentrate on the Kyocero palm-phones, available for sale right this very instant, interoperates with all your stuff, and is a really cool phone.
Let's stop watching MS pull out the same old bullshit, but with a start button, and start advertising products that matter, and don't support monopolies!
So.. were are they going to put the CTRL, ALT, and DEL keys on my phone? Cuz i KNOW i'm going to need them to kill the damn KaZaa Spyware runnin in the background..
hmm.. that'd be too easy to bug...
Let's remember the words of Mr. Burke:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke
Go buy someone OTHER than Microsoft's phone, please!
--Grrae
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be." -Douglas Adams
I wonder how much of the blue screen they can fit unto a cell phone. Perhaps it would be easier if the phone just gave a General Protection Fault and halted whenever you lose signal.
Or better still,
"Scandisk has detected that your cellphone was not shut down properly..."
Am I a hipster-doofus?
I mean i hear such amazing things, like cellphones being able to take and store pictures, and to run email and decent browsing software.
But when cell phones are able to run Microsoft software- that will be quantum leap for the power of portable computing.
And I thought having minesweeper on my Siemens S35i was bad enough. At the beginning it diplays this message: With greetings from Microsoft!
May come in handy when the phone bugger out in the middle of a conversation with the lady.
Really, when nokia, ericsson and sony have problems keeping the phones alive without boot, how is MS supposed to manage it?
HTTP/1.1 400
Here.... The short version:
.NET (Microsoft) versus Java (Nokia) on the mobile front too...
" Top-ranked mobile phone maker Nokia said on Monday it would offer other mobile handset suppliers a complete design kit for making Internet-ready phones, seeking to stave off a push by Microsoft Corp. into the mobile market.
The move by Nokia, maker of one of every three mobile phones sold globally, takes aim at computer software giant Microsoft, which said earlier on Monday it was offering phone makers a standard kit of software and computer chips to build new "smartphones." "
The article also mentions that out of the top 5 mobile phone manufacturers, only Samsung is coming out with phones based on the Microsoft junk, at the end of this year.
It'll be
This phone call has caused a protection fault in phone.dll. Please press CALL + END + CLEAR to restart your phone.
yeesh.
just gave me a good laugh. ;-)
It's been that kind of day, sorry
Sinepaw.org: Grape Winos
Message GPF32. The phone customer you are atempting to reach is temporarily out of service. Error GPF at 0x0F07021. Please try your call again later.
Schweet! now I can write a good ol' fashioned pocket sized war dialler and port nmap to the nokia. Business as usual.
http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/19/184720 8&mode=thread&tid=100
Won't it have to support Java to be considered a serious contender in the cell phone arena? Wouldn't that cause major cognitive dissonance at Microsoft? Heh.
this is strange, bet there will be rants about crashing etc of the phones. PocketPC is fine, it works, as for Nokia and their OS? Ahhh, whatever.
It is just a PDA w/ a phone, it is freaking color guys, COME ON. Until i get video on my phone, i am not going w/ any thing other then free. cell phones are crap anyways, who cares what OS they run, I WANT COVERAGE.
I think like most cellphone users, I don't have a need for all that extra stuff. All these other bells and whistles are just that, bells and whistles...and a more expensive bill.
Why can't these companies work on getting me decent local coverage first? I'm sure I might enjoy using the web, or email over my cellphone if I didn't have calls dropping left and right. I'll take a solid, strong signal anywhere I go over the above.
Call on God, but row AWAY from the rocks!
That's just too funny...now I wonder if we're going to hear stories about the evil M$ mob taking hits out on Open Source developers who are working on secret new phone technologies.
------------------ D. A. Davenport: http://www.firebin.net
err...
See, it feautures hi-res color display, slideshows, internet and one-hand operation! Imagine what you can do...
I've always dreamed of having Clippy around during a phone call!
Am I a hipster-doofus?
Will they (M$) be held liable when some one gets a BOD while making a 911 call?
If windows is the answer, it's must have been a stupid question ! --Bill "Now the phone come with a magic blue case !"
"Sorry for being an hour late, honey. I wanted to call you from my cellphone, but the display just reads 'i 0\/\/Nz y00 700z3R' and the menu doesn't work anymore. Can you fix that?"
"There are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare." - Blair Houghton
"The cell phone you are trying to reach is currently rebooting (or, has just crashed because you called)."
"I mean, honestly, for a site that bitches about MS so much, slashdot gives them a helluva lot of free press."
Amen brotha. You know why? More people love to bitch about MS that anything else. So far I have seen about 15 posts talking about BSOD's, Ctrl-Alt-Delete, viruses, etc...not a SINGLE ONE talks about the technology or the phone.
sad ain't it?
Sent from your iPad.
I will be waiting for the Linux cell phone shaped like Tux.
Maybe this will delay the spread of those pesky VB cell phone viruses?
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Nokia sold cellphones with GEOS on them for years. Then Microsoft threatened with Windows CE, so Nokia and a few other cell phone combines got together and wrote Symbian. Nokia's been shipping phones based off it for about two years now. SDK's have been available for a long time from Nokia's developer's site. Altho I will say, I signed up for one multiple times and never got it. Had no problems getting the SDK for their GEOS phones (even wrote an HTTP server for them). I know others have gotten them with no problems tho.
So what's the news here?
I am curious:
Does slashdot post Microsoft related stories so all the really l337 open source masters can sharpen their rapiers with redundant wit that stopped being funny years ago?
'Har Har Wait'll it bluescreens'
'Geez can't wait till it crashes when im driving'
It's just not funny guys.
Anyone else think that Microsoft is running themselves thin? That they are trying to branch out into too many areas and never focus resources appropriately so much that they are leaving themselves vulnerable? I have this feeling that if MS keeps things up, they are going to have thousands of department heads each demanding that they get their "fair share" of resources, ultimately giving the company one big headache in the future.
c y= zdnn
Seriously though, branching into cell phone OS's might give them a competitive advantage, but the threat of new entry is high, and all it takes is one Sony or other company to realize the profits that can be made and they can outspend MS in that area. Unless Microsoft thinks they should spend more, in which case they'll be pulling funds back from their other lines, maybe even the Xbox, which is also a product that competes with a Sony product.
I'm thinking massive scalebacks on MS's part in the future, like IBM post-Gerstner, circa 1993-1994. It's about the only thing that can save MS from the problems it is bound to face when each "product" hits financially-disturbing waves.
Granted, MS has done well as a new entrant into most markets, but the Xbox has had its share of disappointments, mainly by selling as par, and not as the hot item everyone had originally anticipated it to be.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-808225.html?lega
We'll have to watch to see what other areas Microsoft branches into. I have a feeling they won't be able to keep doing this for too much longer without realizing the problems and headaches this stuff causes.
The good news is that there will be tons of great comics about it this week!
I'm sure the phone works fine on their propritary network, there is no roaming allowed, and if you call more than one number you'll need to reboot between calls. Where do I sign?
"Windows Powered Smartphone 2002?"
If nothing else, one had to respect the Microsot marketing department for being able to shovel crap onto the consumer by the pound at the consumer's cost. But after choosing a product name like that...
I used to work for Microsoft, and the guys who developed this phone RULE! They totally knew what they were doing compared to Motorola or even Nokia, and got it right on the first pass, unlike the pDQ, which took two revs.
USB connector: can you say connect to any device without proprietary connectors? And with CE, can you say drivers?
Laptop: BAM! easy Dialup.
GPS: BAM! Maps and directions.
Integrated IE: bye bye WAP.
Hell, you could even use it as a remote control for a model airplane.
I bitch about MS stuff a lot, even being an ex-Borg, but I can't wait to get my hands on this bad boy.
Funny... XBox and Hot Mail both run linux/unix and they work. Why wouldn't we want the same thing for our cell phones? Besides most cell phones couldn't display the "blue screen of death" properly. I hope we don't have to start upgrading our phones so they can. Maybe Microsoft is going to start building phones too. Gawed they sure is clever huh... What next, cars? I can see it now. Every stoplight will require you to restart/boot you're engine.
hey who stole my nic?!?
Gee... if
I refer to this comment.
I referred to better pictures of the Journada 928,
- infoSync's article [infosync.no] has a much better picture of the Jornada 928 [infosync.no] than the token thumbnail Forbes provides.
And then went on to talk about the OS on it:-
They also have an article about what has been added to WinCE [infosync.no] (guess I know why MS calls it PocketPC now...) to turn it into a mobile phone-integrated PDA. There are six (!) pages of screen shots in that one. You can also look forward to "...Mobile Information Server (MIS) 2002 Enterprise Edition, which adds Server ActiveSync..." -- here's ANOTHER pie MS wants to sell you pieces of.
Oh well... if they can cut-n-paste, I guess I have to as well.The interesting thing is that ringtones -- which phone companies want to charge you for -- aren't there. Instead, you can assign .WAV files as ring tones, and specific files for specific callers. Wonder what the motivation for that move is...?
Still... I want one!
"...America's great minds of today, teaching America's great minds of tomorrow. Poor bastards." -- A Beautiful Min
Hell, you could even use it as a remote control for a model airplane.
;-)
Not that we've tried that or anything...
So, would running windows on your cell phone increase the probability of having a fatal car crash while dialing?
Will we ever see ANY news posted here regarding Microsoft and not have to wade through:
1) 328 BSOD Jokes
2) 23 Virus Jokes
3) 12 Borg assimilation joke
4) 98 hack vulnerability jokes
5) 52 comments basically saying "I'm not giving m$ a cent"
6) 37 Microsoft Tax jokes
7) 29 ctrl alt del jokes
8) 912 GFP jokes
9) 4 Beowulf clusters
10) 83 Clippy jokes
The two rules for success are:
1) Never tell them everything you know.
I used to have a Nokia phone/PDA. We had static routes and ACL's setup with the service provider so that we could get to our Unix boxes and Cisco gear using telnet. It was great in theory.
There were a few problems. We called them bricks because they were so damn big. This was a minor problem but one that I could life with because it was useful. Battery life turned out to be the big problem. It seemed that the battery was only good enough to get you between the cigarette lighter in your car and the next electrical outlet that you could find. The phone combined with the big LCD and backlight sucked a lot of juice.
I have a tiny Nokia now. I love it. I can usually go for a least 2 days without a recharge and it recharges very quickly in the car. I have never run out of juice.
If the battery life is good then this looks great.
While consumers tolerate their desktops crashing, I don't think they'll tolerate it in their cell phones. Dropped calls are bad enough.
Of course, as folks have mentioned, virii are also a problem.
Perhaps what could actually happen is that this could cause MS to take a harder look at software quality.
-jbn
Not a flame:
/. community, I think that we should really give MS a little credit for coming up with ideas which people actually use!
I'm really impressed with the time and dedication they have put into diversifying what they do. As a company, I really think that Microsoft has it's head on it's shoulders. I am ready for these phones to come available. This way I can stop lugging around my PDA, I'll just have all of the information (such as calendar and contacts) all right there.
I may be in the minority here...but damnit
------ This has been provided as a public service! ------
Just thought I'd drop you a line about the sort of things I would like on my cellphone.
Some features I don't want
- Internet Explorer inextricably embedded into the OS
- Visual Basic scripting
- .NET, or
.anything for that matter
- Any sort of web server
- Outlook, Exchange, or Hotmail
- Buffer overflows
- Passport authentication
What I would like is- to be able to enter a number and make a phone call
Thanks,Intro.
What do you expect from a linux fanboy site? You lot aren't going to go 'Linux sucks!' I am surprised /. doesnt do a Westwood and deletes all anti-linux comments.
COZ WE ALL KNOW LINUX IS FAULTLESS!!1
And then we get McAfee for the phone. Whee!
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
sad ain't it?
Perhaps, but what is really sad is the reputation that M$ has earned. M$ has a long history of decision making that has put themselves exactly where they are.
This new OS could be the best thing ever. However, that isn't meaningful to the people who have simply given up on M$ products out of frustration, disappointment, and/or love of freedom of choice.
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
Dial 1-900-555-1234 to auto download and install the latest Virusscan for Cell Phones. Since I suggested it here, maybe I've headed off a potential patent :)
Mobile cellular telephone device auto update service via phone call. May require some navigation by keypad.
Prior art! Prior art! Woo hoo!
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Seriously, to make it even worse, there's gonna be the "blue screen of death" on cell phones now. *evil laughter as he plots CellNuke*
"you sonofabitch i didn't know!"
Has anyone ever tried typing 'Microsoft sucks' or just microsoft(without dollar sign), as the displayed messenger name. It wont work! microsoft actually added some code to prevent it. Maybe they have a valid reason, maybe they don't. Can't wait to see what they do with this.
"we have detected the words 'microsoft' and 'sucks' together in one sentence, this call has been disconnected."
*Phone boots for 15 minutes
*Displays the "Who do you want to call today" welcome message
*Hangs for a further 5 minutes
*Refuses to call non MS cells
User hurls phone out of car onto the pavement
:)
It used to be we would say MS everything. We didn't know what that everything would be. Now we know. MS TV, MS Tivo, Xbox. Cell phone, palm pilot. laptop server sattelite radio. Wintel Bio Chip installed in your brain at birth.
Is a cell phone like they have in Europe where I can switch providers by simply changing a small chip inside it, instead of buying a new frickin phone. (Fixing to have to do this due to the supreme suckage of Sprint PCS in my area)
.. whatever .. I never use the silly wireless web features of my phone anyway. Maybe someday when I get a GPS phone and I can find good restaurants near me, I will.. But this is happening with or without Microsoft and their circle wanking with Intel.
I saw no mention of this in that article, so
I also believe the Laws of Marketing will hold true and Nokia will grind M$'s grubby little nose in their pathetic attempt to apply their business tactics to a completely (imho) unrelated market.
I wonder how the XBox sales are going......
mje0w!!!1!
Anyone know if Nokia's move to provide a development kit will include an SDK? (Or does one already exist?) I'd love to be able to write some additional games for my cell phone. By the look of it I'd say it would require some special hardware to copy them over as well. Going to have to look into this...
Isn't that great? Now I am asked (at least) twice before the OS accepts my decision to dial the number I wanted to.
:)
I want to place some simple calls. I don't need any games and stuff and high-resolution graphics. I don't want any over-sized processors burn my hands just because the display needs to show a 32-bit-color-depth, 60*60-pixels, animated start-up-logo. That's what I have my PDA for
Start leech computing on that phones and
run beowulf cluster of these!
Talk about vaporware? What's to say? It doesn't exist yet. As for technology, the M$ part of it is well-known. It's the same old M$ stuff so it is easy to talk about.
We can discuss the hardware/tech once it exists...but I'll stick with Motorola or Nokia or...anyone that doesn't have an M$ finger dipped into it. I am proud that not a single penny of my money for the last 6 years has gone to M$ and I intend to keep it that way until the beast is tamed by the courts.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
With domestic appliances becoming smarter everyday and now embarking more computing power than NASA had when Armstrong put foot on the Moon, it is no surprise that all the major operating system vendors try to conquer this new market. This trend has been going on for quite some time now.
The real news here are that Microsoft is again trying to conquer that market. This is a big challenge for them, because the OS design there is at the opposite of what they usually manufacture: you can't put a system that crashes randomly, or that eats all the CPU and all the batteries of the device. It seems previous incarnations, that is mostly Windows CE, failed to do that.
They have good designers and the fact that "this is Windows" makes it easy to sell the devices. If they manage to make an OS that stays afloat, they might very well find themselves in a strong position in this market. At least, I think they have much more chances to win here than on the server market.
Check this out...
ActiveSync ensures that information on your Smartphone is consistent with your work or home PC desktop or server over-the-air. Once synced, your Homescreen gives you simple access to the latest information, such as appointments, number of new emails and SMS text messages.
This says to me that you sync 'over-the-air' with Microsoft servers and when you go to your "Homescreen"(i.e.MSN) you access the info from your home or work PC. Seems a sneaky wording as to not raise red flags. I'm raising one now... RED FLAG, RED FLAG!!
put the what in the where?
Is this the REAL name of the Stinger phone or have they gave up on Stinger???
Gorkman
I love the smell of Karma in the morning
Microsoft chooses names for products reflecting attributes they wish they had:
I wonder what they were thinking when they chose the words micro and soft?
from this page:
Is it possible to develop games for the Nokia mobile phones?
The only phones that games may be developed for are the 9110 and 9210 Communicators. The 9210 has a symbian operating System which is an open platform for developers.
This means that anyone may develop games and other add-on applications for the device. This is the same with the 9110, however it has a different operating system.
Additionally, several Nokia phones support Wireless Application Protocol (WAP), where games and information can be programed for mobile viewing.
For more information on the Communicators SDKs and other Nokia tools, visit the Nokia Forum (www.forum.nokia.com).
I am actually very glad about this, for someone that doesn't want to have to buy a windows CE device to synchronize contacts and such, I can have a small phone instead. I love this and I think they will work out the bugs andother problems that arise, like all their OSs. Only thing I am worried about is Buffer overflow calls...
You have all these fancy bells and whistles that do everything on the phone but let you hear the person on the other side of the fucking phone! OHhhhh
...in house shopping.
Now, if this billow of vaporware could abstract the various standards into some type of .vxd,
the idea of having my cellular phone pass through the fire to Baal-Redmond might become attractive.
The only thing less intuitive than these conflicting cellular phone standards
is the dizzying array of pricing schemes.
Wanted: phone/PDA gadget that _works_ regardless of where I am.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
I'm sorry. But all phones meeting those requirements were banned by the TMCA (Total Microsoft Control Act) of 2006.
Yours Truly,
Billy G.
Now Nokia had better get off it corporate ass and replace every system its using with non-ms stuff since it is a very bad business decision to have a critical part of your business completely in the hands of your largest competitor who has a track record of doing anything they can (legal or not) to crush their competition.
I heard there was a Finnish guy who wrote an OS they might want to consider.
Most of the stuff MS produces is irrelevant, as far as technology is concerned. The technical merits are nonexistent. This company is really about power, which this article demonstrates well: yet another platform possibly under Microsoft's control soon.
acm.cs.umn.edu/~fuzz/MS-Ericsson.jpg
With software like Microwindows, PicoGUI, and Qtopia available, a lot of companies will probably be finding Linux useful on PDAs and smaller embedded devices like Cellphones.
-- 2 + 2 = 5, for very large values of 2
I want to be the first one with pictures of the Blue Screen of Death on a cell phone.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
Am I the only one who is sick and tired of MS and its penchant for expanding into, and occupying, every niche they can? Thank goodness I am not very interested in computer games or cellular phones, but sooner or later they will move into some particular niche I am interested in - and it would piss me off having to deal with them.
all microsoft phones use a different method of encoding their calls only microsoft phones can understand, they also open up another funny way of networking to each other they dont tell you about but is very integrated and at any time may accidentaly also broadcast the call to microsoft.
"This is done without sending any data to nicrosoft"
0xC3
All I want is a simple phone, with a phonebook and a dialtone-setting. I don't need games, I don't need a calendar, I don't need internet on my phone. Just a phone please.
Unfortunatly, they don't exist anymore...
bash$
First of all, OpenWave is not a cellphone OS manufacturer. OpenWave makes a whole bunch of mobile middleware solutions and an embedded microbrowser.
However, Nokia is in good company as far as cellphone OS-es go: in fact, they use and work on the same OS: which is Symbian. I hope that now the uninformed will start to see the wisdom behind Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola, Psion, Siemens, Sony, Matsushita ETC. uniting on the issue ofa single cellphone OS that is Symbian OS: not to pay the MS tax. Sure, they had to pay up fronttens of millions of dollars to found Symbian (the company), but that's small potato compared to the money they would have paid Microsoft, if it got hold of the mobile market. That would have been a cut on the revenue on each sold unit! I can tell you for certain, that would have been the nightmare of any cellphone manufacturer.
On another note, I am really glad Microsoft is openly stepping on Nokia's toe. Damn that's a good feeling! Now the big bad bully just picked a decent adversary! Nokia is not only big enough, it's also nimble and potentially dangerous for Microsoft. It also has a brand recognition that rivals Microsoft's.
Sigged!
Is Microsoft going to include WPA in this software? If so, what happens if I switch my battery or plug it into my car lighter and it requires me to call Microsoft? How would I call them if the phone is not usable?
NT was their attack on the RISC-nixes, Linux half got in the way there.
XP is to take on Mac OSX
Pocket OS is their attempt to kill Palm
Now they want to take on "Symbian", a beaut little OS for PDA/cellphone crossover devices developed by little old Psion, the maker of the best PDAs in the world (maybe now past tense), & now taken on by Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, Matsushita/Panasonic & Sony.
Can't they just be happy with owning the PC desktop?
So, instead of call waiting being one of the most annoying new phone features, we can now expect "Hang on, I've got to reboot my phone" , too.
*sigh*
Jezz, not one yet. i'll give it a shoot.
if you goto the Smart Phone site. then click on the Developer link. You'll notice that this is a rebranded Pocket PC.
Which is what it looks like (and i'm 99% sure) it shares the exact same subset of the Win32 API that the current PocketPC/WinCE API does. Which means a relativly sophisticaed OS, capable of real internet browsing (complete with DOM, scripting, GIF animation, etc..). Windows Media player, so WMA and mp3 playback. MSN Messenger (for those who are into that kind of thing). But at the cost of high resources, like 32 megs of RAM min, not to mainstreem with cellphones at the moment.
and i'm not sure, but i'm guessing all of the current pocketpc apps including Quake, which is also shown in the SmartPhone Tour. Will be available for it, which would be pretty darn cool.
-Jon
this is my sig.
Technically, the phone powers Windows, not the other way around. When they make software that produces energy, let me know.
Dirk
What are they selling here?
You only need one hand
Small, but powerful
Unified Inbox
Get personal with your phone
Fun on the run
1) I tried but my phone kept crashing on your number!
"My phone just trashed its code segment. Can I call you back ?"
"Ph33r my l33+ h4x0r 5k!||z wh3n ! p!ng f|00d j00!"
"Could you call back in just two minutes ? I'm in a heated Solitaire round."
Ahh the blasphemy!
-Billco, Fnarg.com
notice: this joke is not funny or original.
Phones have been MUCH too reliable, all these years of picking one up and dialing and having it work has become boring. I welcome the challenge of having to press Y-E-S for the EULA, then again when it forgets, or after every battery charge, whichever comes first. and re-entering my most-used numbers over and over and over.
I most welcome the thought of being in restaurants and getting to hear microsoft-based ringtones from all corners when important people are doing important people business with their way cool new phones.
this also creates the opportunity for the linux community to provide alternate phone technology that will suck less.
Wasn't Microsoft Supposed to be stopping all new development and working on improving security? How come they just announced a new product? I guess the concentrate on security PR compaign didn't work out.
Microsoft has had plans to develop a buggy Windows-driven phone for some time now.
This is why their just-in-time core dumper is called "Dr. Watson".
DO-DO-DO... Your call cannot be completed as dialed. Please Reboot and try again.
.
Too late. Sprint already has such auto-update, and it is free.
M$ reserves the right to upgrade the phone software without notice to you, the user, and charge you for it, except for MSM Pro, which you were charged way too much for ahead of time. By pressing the SEND key you confirm to be bound by this agreement.
I thought they stopped all work this month to repair bugs. Oh well, Microsoft must have removed the last 9-10 days of February from every version of windows...
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I don't like Microsoft because Bill Gates is a bad man. He does not play fair. He uses trickery and secret deals. I do not like this man at all. His company is bad too.
I'm not the world's most up to date person in terms of cellphone things but this is what I have seen up to now:
The only time I have ever seen a programme on any cellphone crash is the little mini version of IE that Sony has in it's phone. This may have been an isolated incident, I don't know, but I know that if you give me the choice, here in Europe, between Nokia and any phone using scaled down versions of Microsoft's Desktop programes I will take Nokia. I want a phone and not a mini desktop.
The main reason I see is performance. Many of the phones or real-time critical pieces of the cellular network all run proven RTOSs. There is no way that an MS product loaded with all the crap that they tout that it has would be able to met the real-time requirements of being able to send and receive 34 data frames (17 in each direction) every 20ms (these numbers are for 3G CDMA). Processing 34 frames in 20ms and not miss the next 20ms boundry is a difficult task.
What I see this product as being is the secondary OS on the phone. Certain manufacturers are starting to realize the application layer processing requirements the phones of the future will need to have and as such have been building them with 2 microprocessors and a DSP. The addition of a 2nd microprocessor allows them to offload all the application layer processing that needs to be made yet still be able to function in the cellular environment.
It almost seems like the name of the product should be altered to reflect they are really the "smart" in "smart phone" because it's obvious to me that they can't be performing the phone half.
Too big to fail? Does that make me to small to succeed?
Oh great, now I'm going to need a phone with a color display for the Blue Screens o' Death.
Love 'em all and let God sort 'em out...
"we're sorry...your call cannot be completed as dialed...please check the number and dial again...if you are using a microsoft powered phone please perform a system reset"
Joe: Why my cellphone show funny words on the screen?
Geek: gees, your phone gets Code Red! Have you applied Windows Smartphone patch 9.2.1 to your cell phone?
i know...i hate my life :(
"you sonofabitch i didn't know!"
IE, Messenger, Windows Media Player, and Outlook...yeppee, now we can get Viruses on our Phones
why don't we all just go out and get one now!!
my brother... who shall remain nameless who works
for the beast...
was shown this on his interview where they told him
the code name was stinger....
because: what do stringer missles do? kill pilots...
not to supprising.
/* declare all variables */
I mean they can't really grow their market share in desktop PC operating systems ... In fact these days if they don't move into other related sectors they'll shrink heheh
the first thought which popped into my head:
* me talking using a cellphone ,
* suddenly nothing. nada. no voice. no response
* press all keys . nothing happens
* get frustrated
* see small blue screen. message:
`press clear+uparrow+downarrow to reboot`
ah! havent we seen this before:)
VV
I write custom web-based information management software. I have a number of products whose value would increase exponentially if they could truly be accessed anytime, anywhere.
I need a phone that
I've seen some that are close. WAP is a joke. My biggest problem is that "deer about to be run over" look when I bring up my needs to just about any Cellular reseller....
Anybody?
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
- the blue scream of death :-)
.. that on the last page of the Feature Tour, called fun on the run, they have a screenshot showing a modified version of Doom running? Are there other phones available today that can do that?
This phone OS is gonna be popular, you know why? Because about 50% of the market is looking for something pretty. I dont know about where you guys live, but where I live everybody over the age of ten wears abercrombie and fitch and has a bright yellow nextel, not because of the features though. Because it is popular, and pretty (to some ppl anyways). It doesnt matter how much the phone crashes (if a phone can crash?) or how many bugs it has, because as long as mommy and daddy are buying the phones for their kids and paying the bills, the kids are gonna get the cute phone. Most of these kids wouldn't want a phone that doesn't have the ability to have a leopard print face plate. Now that they have the option of making the whole damn interface leopard print they are gonna get it.....ok i am done.
-epx
Stay away....
today is spelling optional day.
"From the looks of things Nokia has a decent shot of keeping Microsoft out of yet another business."
Yes.. Finns fighting Microsoft in the server & desktop OS area (Linux) and Finns fighting Microsoft in the mobile space (Nokia)..
Well, having to boot your mobile isn't excatly new or unknown.
I have a Nokia 9110 Communicator, which sometimes can be very annoying.
Half a year ago almost half of the calls would simply halt the phone. So I had to disconnect the battery every time. This behaviour simply disappeared after a few weeks.
Microsoft isn't responsible for all bugs in the world...
please proff read !
MS top execs visited Nokias HQ in Finland few years back. They met Nokias execs, and tried to convince them to use MS-OS in smartphones. Nokia representatives literally laughed at them.
Nokia has officially said that they have seen what MS has done to the PC-business, and they have no intention of letting the same thing happen to mobile-phone business. And Nokia has nothing to be worried about. I mean, which companies use Symbian? Nokia, SonyEricsson, Motorola, Panasonic and (if I remember correctly) Siemens. Together, those companies control about 80% of mobile-phone business. Which companies use MS-OS? Samsung and... Sendo??? yeah, I bet Nokia is REALLY worried!
Nokia has embraced open standards. They are going to use Linux in the 3G-base-stations, they use Linux in their mediaterminal
This time MS has to fight a company who is as big as they are, who has invested heavily in R&D, who has big share of the market (and other big players are it's allies), who has years of experience of the business, who has been strengthened by years of cut-throat competition in the business and who doesn't like MS much. It's going to be interesting, and in the end, MS will lose
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What the hell happened to WinCE? I assume 'CE' stands for 'Consumer Electronics.' Wouldn't a cell phone be precisely that?
Does this new OS show that WinCE is too *bloated* or too *buggy* for cell phones?
There are way too many versions of Windows out there already. WinME, WinXP, Win2000, Windows for Terminal Servers, WinCE, and this new version. At least my toilet is still sacred. (Microsoft - don't even THINK about it!)
A) don't get annoyed enough to start thinking about alternatives
B) don't get to know any other way than the easy but costly way
C) listen only those who make loudest noises (big and many ads).
So eventually we'll be seeing so much ads everywhere as masses can take. We'll see as low and cheap quality products as masses tolerate. We'll get ripped off right and left, but everytime that rip-off technique or mehod is unique so that we can't find enough people who's been ripped-off same way. Not enough momentum means no problems for the company.
Getting to the point here, it doesn't matter if it's MS or Nokia ripping us off, we'll get shit anyway. What matters, is buying products from some company that isn't making business in countries where the gov protects monetary assets over humanity. Or where corporations can influence the politics.
Why the hell there isn't limits to how big a corporation can grow? In the end it's in nobodys best interests to have companies with (multi)billion dollar annual exchange rates. Now MS already has several market segments with hundreds of products, what good does it make?
What the FUCK does somebody with a million bucks coming in his pocket every year do with another million dollars coming in every year?? Impress his buddies and chicks, get laid more often? What? Why are car manufacturers, jevelry shops and others even making such products that require so much personal wealth? Don't they have brains to think where this all leads us?
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Noika Corporation - now consisting of a single employee - asserts that Microsoft coerced OEM providers into illegally tampering with consumer demand. Whereas Microsoft's Global Monopoly Status allows it 75% of any market under WTO rules, Noika asserts that Microsoft manipulated the market to gain more than 97% of sales, causing the failure of most other PC companies.
A Microsoft spokeman said these charges were baseless. Meanwhile Microsoft's new CallBoy PC 2007 has been unveiled, promising new features such as 'instant reboot', 'smartprotect', and 'intellidial'.
Noika shares traded up 2 Euro cents at 12 Euro cents.
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Look at the Short Message Service (SMS) which was meant for sending control messages between cell stations around the world on the GSM network. Suddenly people started using this SMS feature because of the nice way of noting people even if they were not nearby the cellphone. Then thee telecom industry started billing the SMS messages and they have now, here in Norway, over 70% profit for each message. That's over 60$ per minute if you compare prices to the bandwidth used by normal GSM voice-calls.
After this, they started introducing WAP. This time they thought that they should start earning money for each WAP request from the beginning, and they started the usual meetings for patent and similar stuff that so many times have totally destroyed the compareness to the free internet. The result was that the telecom operators wanted to have full control of all services, and they all ended up with no users using wap at all. Technically, the greediness of the telecom industry totally destroyed the WAP before it was even introduced. Now they are talking about the UMTS high-bandwidth network and they are still heading for the same failure as WAP since they want major control over all services.
Now, back to topic.
If Microsoft was a memember of the telecom industry:
You had to pay $0.1 for every Messenger message
You had to pay $0.00002 for every megabyte of data you sent using the OS
You had no rights to use e.g. windows media video unless you signed a contract of every-minute-fees
(Note that Cell-version of Microsoft Messenger have to charge a fee because of the greedy telecom industry requires them so).
As you can see, there is nothing better than seeing Microsoft trying to affect the Telecom Industry by moving the cell-platform for the Microsoft way. I am not saying that this would make it better, and I am not saying that it is comparable for the totally open minded and free Internet, but it's still a general leap ahead for the inevitable convergence of the Telecom and Internet industry.
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Isn't it still February? I thought MS was spending this whole month focusing on security. Any news on that front?
*making phonecall*
*voice of clippy*
"Hi, it sounds like you are making a phone call!"
etc, etc
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MS have missed the point completely. Most people buy the more expensive phones because they are trendier.
Once they have their phones they want to personalise them (ringtones, graphics). I want to change the whole look and feel of my phone - I want complete skinnability! Imagine downloading a Simpsons skin which little animations, jokes, Bart saying "You got a call, man" etc. For some idea of how this technology can work, check out Trigenix.
Work it out MS! These aren't productivity tools for most of us ;-)
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Seriously, my nokia locks up and reboots spontaneously already, and it is brand new.
you knee-jerks with yer ms=lockup Seinfeld humor.
Windows Powered Smartphone...WPS...
AKA "Whatta Piece of Sh...."
What do you mean with "4 Beowulf clusters".
Is that the number of Beowulf clusters that they have? That OS is it using?
From what I know about Micro$oftware it should better be called Micro$oft Hampered Phone :)
... use the phones as dildoes to cram in my orifices, I'm happy. Bill's been unhappy the past few weeks, and not letting me do anything with his 22-inch cock (sometimes I swear there's a little bit of Africa in Bill...). Maybe killing Nokia will get his spirits up enough so we can get back to fucking like rabbits in our palace.
I love Bill...