Like I said, I think a really good example is buying stolen goods. If you know the goods are stolen--you can be arrested. And regardless the goods are not yours, so you are supposed to return them. AOL is clearly taking the stance that Frankel had no right to release code that they claim ownership over. You can't put a license on something you don't own.
You're right that I don't know any internal details, but as a downloader of the program, I shouldn't have to.
Nullsoft put software on their website. Nullsoft put a GPL notice along with the source code. From my viewpoint, I do have a legitimate license. I suspect this could only be resolved by a judge really.
That's, quite frankly, a ridiculous point of view. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you buy goods you know are stolen, you are an accessory to crime. Likewise, you can't just claim that because you didn't KNOW that WASTE was wrongfully released it's yours and no one has the right to take it from you.
Furthermore, if Nullsoft had no right to release that code on their own, the GPL is invalid. If I went to work for Microsoft, got all their windows source code, and released it (on some microsft www page for my department let's say) under the GPL copyright Moridineas, would it be legally released? Absolutely not.
Sounds like to me you're a person who defines "intelligence" solely financially.,
And it sounds to me that you're one of those people who resent success. What Ayn Rand might have called one of the Destroyers. You're trying to tell me that even though today he manages one of the biggest and most succesful businesses in the world (and made it get that way) he's no longer smart? No longer worthy of admiration? That because he has become succesful he's some kind of a sell out from the elite intelligentsia, like you? Because of this he's a "10 cent idiot"?
Incidentally, I've always wondered about people who criticize Bill Gates the way you do--does it ever make you feel bad to think that by writing one big check to a charity or other organization (of which he writes MANY a year--hell, he even donated 30+ million to my college--and we mostly use linux and some freebsd still [and lots of suns]) Bill Gates can do more good and save more lives in a second than most can do in a lifetime? Does the redeem his 10 cent idiotness?
There were no spelling mistakes in my previous post. So quit the schmoozing and try to think about what someone is writing before you start making false accusations about them. You may also want to read some articles at www.worldsocialism.org to see the world through my eyes.
You used the wrong spelling of "their." Sorry like I said though, I probably shouldn't have brought that up, didn't mean to be a grammar troll. I apologize. And also, I never would have needed to see that link to have a full understanding your political views--the second you called a succesful and undeniably intelligent businessman a 10 cent idiot, your beliefs were totally clear.
story of a billion dollar company, run by a 10 cent brain, i.e. Bill Gates
Out of curiosity, if you're so much smarter than Mr Gates, why haven't you started your own billion dollar company?
Come on now, we don't need to resort to petty ad hominem attacks--stick to actual problems with microsoft please (which you did allude to), not your jealousy over one man's incredible success. Not to be a grammar troll either, but if you're going to call someone stupid, you might want to spell correctly as well..
So I suppose you're advocating that China rape Xingjiang/East Turkestan the way the Europeans did Africa? Let me put it to you this way--the prime difference between European Africa and most other colonies (at least British), let's say British India, is that Africa was entirely dominated by extractive industry.
I suppose you're advocating that China does the same thing to Xinjiang/East Turkestan? (if you're not feel free to explain). Personally I look at Africa today and I say--holy crap what a mess. I'd prefer that these same mistakes NEVER been allowed to happen again.
If a company pays for a products development, the product is developed on company computers, and by company employees, the company gets to decide how that product is released. Not one person working on said product.
I don't get the point of your posting? The Uyghurs don't want to be part of China. The Uyghurs have protested against China. The Chinese have moved in tons of settlers to make the Uyghur no longer Uyghur. So why is it better for the Uygurs to be part of China? Oh wait, I get it, you mean it's better for the CHINESE for East Turkestan to be part of China...because of the oil and what not. I see.
btw, I REALLY like your example of Africa--because Colonial interference helped SO much. Oh, but you might not know that not being a history student;) (trying reading the newspaper heh)
Just because I'm anti-what the Chinese doing does not mean I believe we are perfect. If I had American history to revise, no way I'd treat the Indians the way they were treated.
Anyone want to wipe out the lower half of China has now been given a perfect missle target. Although much ignored by Western media, note that China also faces Uygurs terrorist (otherwised called "freedom fighters" by Western media) threats connected with al Quaeda in the XinJiang Province.
Fact: Some Uyghurs have been implicated in bomb attacks (I don't believe any attacks took place outside of Xinjiang).
Fact: The Communist Chinese government has forcibly moved millions of Han Chinese into Xinjiang over the past 50 years in an attempt to pacify the Uyghur population.
Fact: The Uyghurs are neither Han nor Chinese--they are ethnically Turkish, look different from the Chinese, and speak a language that is mutually intelligible (with difficulty) with the language of Turkey. Before they were conquered by China over 50 years ago they were an independent nation. It is true that this area had been under MARGINAL Chinese control off and on for centuries (there were 42 results under Manchu rule for instance). As a side note, this area has oil. Coincidence that China cares about it?
Fact: The Chinese have not had the best track record dealing with minorities or hunman rights in general (Inner Mongolia, Tibet, East Turkestan, etc etc).
Fact: AFAIK (and AFAAK) the rumored links to al-Qaeda are just that--rumors. Until proven otherwise, they are as insubstantial as links of Saddam to al-Qaeda.
So in conclusion, this is simply another minority group (again, see Inner Mongolia and Tibet for the other two most publicized examples) that is being horribly treated in China--and no one cares because of business opportunities...
So you're telling me that if I got a job at a big software developer shop, took their existing code add added "Copyright (C) 2003 Moridineas" and released it under the GPL, it would be an open and shut case that what I did was fine and legal?
Sure. Here's an article discussing the terminology wrt the new EU Const. http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-07-03.html
In broader terms, I don't have any www links to send you (and don't feel like researching any for an AC) but if you want to check it out, one good place would be looking at the legal systems of post-colonial nations. Compare the British vs the French former colonies.
About the "snip" that you note as irrelevant--yes, you are right, it is irrelevant, I just wanted to give an example to back up my position. Sorry. Do you disagree with the facts there since you call it "clever-sounding" (feel free not to answer, this is just a topic I'm fascinated by and brought up--particularly in colonial legal systems...anyway...)
And the reason for my comments--I get so incredibly tired of people saying things like you do. "Oh americans only care about themselves".. "American hates the poor".. or in reverse.. "cheese eating surrender monkeys".. "europe is all socialist wackos"
I mean, what's the point? I hate to sound tripe and hackneyed but can't we all just get along? I'd like to think most people on slashdot would be smart enough, or logical enough to not go around categorizing people by the country of their birth.. I mean hell, it's a crime to categorize people by the color of their skin, but "nationism" is fine? I just don't get the attitudes...
There's a difference between having fundamental beliefs that certain things are the best (Americans for instance generally believe our "positive" legal system as opposed to the french "negative" legal tradition is one of the fundamentals of good life [if you don't understand this in essence this follows--under the British/American legals codes, anything not forbidden by law is allowed. Under the French/Continental codes, anything not expressively allowed is forbidde])..anyway, there is a difference between American love of American values, and saying "oh metric is stupid, those idiots, it's because they're too stupid to use feet"
And I GUESSED he was European (you'll not I used the phrase "mostly European)--perhaps you would be better off re-reading posts than defending divisive attacks based on nationality.
Presuming you're American, you would use feet, pounds, find metric too complicated, etc, etc - so probably wont care if it does.
I must say I'll mever understand the (mostly European) urge to attack America for anything and everything... "too complicated".. come now, that's just petty and wrong--you're just trying to be deliberately insulting. Grow up.
I dunno about this--i agere that it is certaintly better to have more reliable parts, but I don't think you're right about memory being the 2nd most likely part to fail. I'd certaintly agree that power supplies are walking death traps of hardware failure, but I would say that hard disks, cpu fans, cd-rom/dvd/cdrw are MUCH more likely to die. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never seen a computer with known good ram suddenly go bad--the case that I refered was a on a newly built computer that had 512mb ram in two ddr dimms and apparently only were bad somewhere high in the 2nd one so crashed sporadically during the day under heavy load (and somehow wasn't caught when built).
It's not really hard to diagnose either I would say--try memtest86 is the name of the program i used to confirm bad ram. Believe me, from now on I will run it on all new computers before putting them into use:)
Well the computers that I manage we've got an OpenBSD server hat never crashes (uptime max is around 6months--when a new release comes out) and a FreeBSD server that has never crashed--max up time has been around 140-150 days, and that was for system upgrades/hardware additions.
On the workstation side they are definitely not THAT stable, but since we've switched to XP/2K on the PC side, those pc's regularly get 60+ days of uptime. Just as a note--I had a XP computer the other day that would crash about two or three times a day. The guy that was using it kept yelling about microsoft, etc etc etc. Turned out to be bad ram. After switching in new ram it's currently at 40 days uptime (not a single crash).
For some reason the macs we have get turned off every night so their uptime isn't an issue, but from what I hear OSX is quite stable.
It seems to me that the one missing link in open source software replacements is some kind of replacement for MS exchange.
I would LOVE to be able to have some kind of solution that could do group calendaring, mail, and shared addressing. As it is now I'm using cyrus imapd, a webmail program, a different LDAP web gateway, and a different web calendaring program. We had used a trial of exchange about 4 years ago, and people still miss the features (even though we didn't stick with exchange due to cost)
"*ANY* deaths from nuclear use is unacceptable. Even if its a major energy source, and supposedly with 'good intentions' it doesn't discount it as part of a major weapon with the ultimate effect of killing thousands.
In my case, I blame both the technology AND its improper use, I'm not blind to reality.. Once the technology is in place, then it WILL be misused.. this is human nature.."
HMMM!!
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Sure, but there are also great people who are not Christian -- Nelson Mandela, or Ghandi.
Not at all trying to get in on this conversation, I was just interested--but what is Nelson Mandela is my question? I know he attended missionary school and would ASSUME he's Christian, but I don't actually know. SA IS about 70% christian after all.
I guess at our core we will just agree to disagree then. Thank you much for the interesting conversation, you've given me some interesting facts and perspectives.
Sorry if you got the wrong impression, I'm not attempting to "deny" any history or what not. It's definite that the Eastern civilizations had some form of press before it existed in Europe.
BUT, I would VERY strongly disagree with a couple of your comments.
1) No, the printing revolution did NOT start the East. The printing evolution may have started in the East, but there is no question that in Europe the press was perfected and then spread to the rest of the world. When the Japanese started printing in the early Meiji era, did they borrow from their neighbors or from Europe? Likewise, the entire rest of the world--Europe or Eastern? And I would also strongly disagree that printing was a direct succession from East->Europe. Everything I've read about the presses lead me to believe that Guteberg's press was an entirely independent invention that shares little in common with Eastern presses.
2) About printing being available to a "wide segment" of the population versus in Europe. One of the theories about why the printing press did so well in Europe is because literacy was (comparatively) VERY high. There are estimates that 16th century literacy in Europe is higher than much of the world today (or at least compared to say, South Asia [which admittedly is low]). If you track the spread of the printing press in Europe, from Germany it spread to Granada in the West and Hungary in the East in under thirty years. We have very good records for how many presses opened where, in what cities, what years etc, and the rate of spread is phenomenal.
Incidentally, a little off topic, but the first press in Istanbul was founded in 1496 by a family of Jews from Andalusia fleeing the reconquista. The Ottomans wouldn't open an official printing press until ~1730, and it lasted for only about 5 years before fizzling. It was really 19th century that they got a printing press going. Sorry, I just think that's interesting:)
Let me just say again, I'm not attempting to deny the processes that the Eastern civilizations used, nor that they definitely had a press in the Korean case. But I simply don't think you can say that the printing revolution is a product of the Eastern world.
I would mostly agree with you, but don't confuse a true phonetic alphabet system with English. English is only semi-phonetic and centuries of irregularities and invasions show in our spellings.
Compare to a "real" phonetic language such as Turkish or Spanish. MUCH easier to learn to read.
For various reasons that have to do with both Euro- and Sino-centrism, the Korean contribution to printing is largely unknown and unappreciated.
I think the reason for this is that it didn't go anywhere. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Gutenberg's press lead directly to the printing revolution that is still running rampant in the world today. What did the Korean press lead to? nothing..
There's not even any evidence that Gutenberg had even heard of Chinese printing presses, and his press differs signifigantly from Eastern presses.
Incidentally, europeans used xylography too in the early middle ages, probably transmitted from the east, though I'm not sure.
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Like I said, I think a really good example is buying stolen goods. If you know the goods are stolen--you can be arrested. And regardless the goods are not yours, so you are supposed to return them. AOL is clearly taking the stance that Frankel had no right to release code that they claim ownership over. You can't put a license on something you don't own.
You're right that I don't know any internal details, but as a downloader of the program, I shouldn't have to.
Nullsoft put software on their website. Nullsoft put a GPL notice along with the source code. From my viewpoint, I do have a legitimate license. I suspect this could only be resolved by a judge really.
That's, quite frankly, a ridiculous point of view. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you buy goods you know are stolen, you are an accessory to crime. Likewise, you can't just claim that because you didn't KNOW that WASTE was wrongfully released it's yours and no one has the right to take it from you.
Furthermore, if Nullsoft had no right to release that code on their own, the GPL is invalid. If I went to work for Microsoft, got all their windows source code, and released it (on some microsft www page for my department let's say) under the GPL copyright Moridineas, would it be legally released? Absolutely not.
Opinion?
Sounds like to me you're a person who defines "intelligence" solely financially.,
And it sounds to me that you're one of those people who resent success. What Ayn Rand might have called one of the Destroyers. You're trying to tell me that even though today he manages one of the biggest and most succesful businesses in the world (and made it get that way) he's no longer smart? No longer worthy of admiration? That because he has become succesful he's some kind of a sell out from the elite intelligentsia, like you? Because of this he's a "10 cent idiot"?
Incidentally, I've always wondered about people who criticize Bill Gates the way you do--does it ever make you feel bad to think that by writing one big check to a charity or other organization (of which he writes MANY a year--hell, he even donated 30+ million to my college--and we mostly use linux and some freebsd still [and lots of suns]) Bill Gates can do more good and save more lives in a second than most can do in a lifetime? Does the redeem his 10 cent idiotness?
There were no spelling mistakes in my previous post. So quit the schmoozing and try to think about what someone is writing before you start making false accusations about them. You may also want to read some articles at www.worldsocialism.org to see the world through my eyes.
You used the wrong spelling of "their." Sorry like I said though, I probably shouldn't have brought that up, didn't mean to be a grammar troll. I apologize. And also, I never would have needed to see that link to have a full understanding your political views--the second you called a succesful and undeniably intelligent businessman a 10 cent idiot, your beliefs were totally clear.
story of a billion dollar company, run by a 10 cent brain, i.e. Bill Gates
Out of curiosity, if you're so much smarter than Mr Gates, why haven't you started your own billion dollar company?
Come on now, we don't need to resort to petty ad hominem attacks--stick to actual problems with microsoft please (which you did allude to), not your jealousy over one man's incredible success. Not to be a grammar troll either, but if you're going to call someone stupid, you might want to spell correctly as well..
peace
Both posts? Did you mean my initial defense of the Uyghurs?
(feel free not to respond, I'm just curious)
So I suppose you're advocating that China rape Xingjiang/East Turkestan the way the Europeans did Africa? Let me put it to you this way--the prime difference between European Africa and most other colonies (at least British), let's say British India, is that Africa was entirely dominated by extractive industry.
I suppose you're advocating that China does the same thing to Xinjiang/East Turkestan? (if you're not feel free to explain). Personally I look at Africa today and I say--holy crap what a mess. I'd prefer that these same mistakes NEVER been allowed to happen again.
If a company pays for a products development, the product is developed on company computers, and by company employees, the company gets to decide how that product is released. Not one person working on said product.
I don't get the point of your posting? The Uyghurs don't want to be part of China. The Uyghurs have protested against China. The Chinese have moved in tons of settlers to make the Uyghur no longer Uyghur. So why is it better for the Uygurs to be part of China? Oh wait, I get it, you mean it's better for the CHINESE for East Turkestan to be part of China...because of the oil and what not. I see.
;) (trying reading the newspaper heh)
btw, I REALLY like your example of Africa--because Colonial interference helped SO much. Oh, but you might not know that not being a history student
Just because I'm anti-what the Chinese doing does not mean I believe we are perfect. If I had American history to revise, no way I'd treat the Indians the way they were treated.
Anyone want to wipe out the lower half of China has now been given a perfect missle target. Although much ignored by Western media, note that China also faces Uygurs terrorist (otherwised called "freedom fighters" by Western media) threats connected with al Quaeda in the XinJiang Province.
Fact: Some Uyghurs have been implicated in bomb attacks (I don't believe any attacks took place outside of Xinjiang).
Fact: The Communist Chinese government has forcibly moved millions of Han Chinese into Xinjiang over the past 50 years in an attempt to pacify the Uyghur population.
Fact: The Uyghurs are neither Han nor Chinese--they are ethnically Turkish, look different from the Chinese, and speak a language that is mutually intelligible (with difficulty) with the language of Turkey. Before they were conquered by China over 50 years ago they were an independent nation. It is true that this area had been under MARGINAL Chinese control off and on for centuries (there were 42 results under Manchu rule for instance). As a side note, this area has oil. Coincidence that China cares about it?
Fact: The Chinese have not had the best track record dealing with minorities or hunman rights in general (Inner Mongolia, Tibet, East Turkestan, etc etc).
Fact: AFAIK (and AFAAK) the rumored links to al-Qaeda are just that--rumors. Until proven otherwise, they are as insubstantial as links of Saddam to al-Qaeda.
So in conclusion, this is simply another minority group (again, see Inner Mongolia and Tibet for the other two most publicized examples) that is being horribly treated in China--and no one cares because of business opportunities...
No but this absolutely, positively does"
"Copyright (C) 2003 Nullsoft, Inc."
So you're telling me that if I got a job at a big software developer shop, took their existing code add added "Copyright (C) 2003 Moridineas" and released it under the GPL, it would be an open and shut case that what I did was fine and legal?
Sure. Here's an article discussing the terminology wrt the new EU Const. http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-07-03.html
In broader terms, I don't have any www links to send you (and don't feel like researching any for an AC) but if you want to check it out, one good place would be looking at the legal systems of post-colonial nations. Compare the British vs the French former colonies.
About the "snip" that you note as irrelevant--yes, you are right, it is irrelevant, I just wanted to give an example to back up my position. Sorry. Do you disagree with the facts there since you call it "clever-sounding" (feel free not to answer, this is just a topic I'm fascinated by and brought up--particularly in colonial legal systems...anyway...)
.. "American hates the poor" .. or in reverse.. "cheese eating surrender monkeys" .. "europe is all socialist wackos"
And the reason for my comments--I get so incredibly tired of people saying things like you do. "Oh americans only care about themselves"
I mean, what's the point? I hate to sound tripe and hackneyed but can't we all just get along? I'd like to think most people on slashdot would be smart enough, or logical enough to not go around categorizing people by the country of their birth.. I mean hell, it's a crime to categorize people by the color of their skin, but "nationism" is fine? I just don't get the attitudes...
I guessed wrong.
My point was only that curlyg seemed to think me making a guess was a terrible thing--whereas I even had a disclaimer saying I wasn't certain.
There's a difference between having fundamental beliefs that certain things are the best (Americans for instance generally believe our "positive" legal system as opposed to the french "negative" legal tradition is one of the fundamentals of good life [if you don't understand this in essence this follows--under the British/American legals codes, anything not forbidden by law is allowed. Under the French/Continental codes, anything not expressively allowed is forbidde])..anyway, there is a difference between American love of American values, and saying "oh metric is stupid, those idiots, it's because they're too stupid to use feet"
And I GUESSED he was European (you'll not I used the phrase "mostly European)--perhaps you would be better off re-reading posts than defending divisive attacks based on nationality.
Presuming you're American, you would use feet, pounds, find metric too complicated, etc, etc - so probably wont care if it does.
I must say I'll mever understand the (mostly European) urge to attack America for anything and everything... "too complicated" .. come now, that's just petty and wrong--you're just trying to be deliberately insulting. Grow up.
I dunno about this--i agere that it is certaintly better to have more reliable parts, but I don't think you're right about memory being the 2nd most likely part to fail. I'd certaintly agree that power supplies are walking death traps of hardware failure, but I would say that hard disks, cpu fans, cd-rom/dvd/cdrw are MUCH more likely to die. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never seen a computer with known good ram suddenly go bad--the case that I refered was a on a newly built computer that had 512mb ram in two ddr dimms and apparently only were bad somewhere high in the 2nd one so crashed sporadically during the day under heavy load (and somehow wasn't caught when built).
:)
It's not really hard to diagnose either I would say--try memtest86 is the name of the program i used to confirm bad ram. Believe me, from now on I will run it on all new computers before putting them into use
Well the computers that I manage we've got an OpenBSD server hat never crashes (uptime max is around 6months--when a new release comes out) and a FreeBSD server that has never crashed--max up time has been around 140-150 days, and that was for system upgrades/hardware additions.
On the workstation side they are definitely not THAT stable, but since we've switched to XP/2K on the PC side, those pc's regularly get 60+ days of uptime. Just as a note--I had a XP computer the other day that would crash about two or three times a day. The guy that was using it kept yelling about microsoft, etc etc etc. Turned out to be bad ram. After switching in new ram it's currently at 40 days uptime (not a single crash).
For some reason the macs we have get turned off every night so their uptime isn't an issue, but from what I hear OSX is quite stable.
It seems to me that the one missing link in open source software replacements is some kind of replacement for MS exchange.
I would LOVE to be able to have some kind of solution that could do group calendaring, mail, and shared addressing. As it is now I'm using cyrus imapd, a webmail program, a different LDAP web gateway, and a different web calendaring program. We had used a trial of exchange about 4 years ago, and people still miss the features (even though we didn't stick with exchange due to cost)
"*ANY* deaths from nuclear use is unacceptable. Even if its a major energy source, and supposedly with 'good intentions' it doesn't discount it as part of a major weapon with the ultimate effect of killing thousands.
In my case, I blame both the technology AND its improper use, I'm not blind to reality.. Once the technology is in place, then it WILL be misused.. this is human nature.."
HMMM!!
Sure, but there are also great people who are not Christian -- Nelson Mandela, or Ghandi.
Not at all trying to get in on this conversation, I was just interested--but what is Nelson Mandela is my question? I know he attended missionary school and would ASSUME he's Christian, but I don't actually know. SA IS about 70% christian after all.
I guess at our core we will just agree to disagree then. Thank you much for the interesting conversation, you've given me some interesting facts and perspectives.
Sorry if you got the wrong impression, I'm not attempting to "deny" any history or what not. It's definite that the Eastern civilizations had some form of press before it existed in Europe.
:)
BUT, I would VERY strongly disagree with a couple of your comments.
1) No, the printing revolution did NOT start the East. The printing evolution may have started in the East, but there is no question that in Europe the press was perfected and then spread to the rest of the world. When the Japanese started printing in the early Meiji era, did they borrow from their neighbors or from Europe? Likewise, the entire rest of the world--Europe or Eastern? And I would also strongly disagree that printing was a direct succession from East->Europe. Everything I've read about the presses lead me to believe that Guteberg's press was an entirely independent invention that shares little in common with Eastern presses.
2) About printing being available to a "wide segment" of the population versus in Europe. One of the theories about why the printing press did so well in Europe is because literacy was (comparatively) VERY high. There are estimates that 16th century literacy in Europe is higher than much of the world today (or at least compared to say, South Asia [which admittedly is low]). If you track the spread of the printing press in Europe, from Germany it spread to Granada in the West and Hungary in the East in under thirty years. We have very good records for how many presses opened where, in what cities, what years etc, and the rate of spread is phenomenal.
Incidentally, a little off topic, but the first press in Istanbul was founded in 1496 by a family of Jews from Andalusia fleeing the reconquista. The Ottomans wouldn't open an official printing press until ~1730, and it lasted for only about 5 years before fizzling. It was really 19th century that they got a printing press going. Sorry, I just think that's interesting
Let me just say again, I'm not attempting to deny the processes that the Eastern civilizations used, nor that they definitely had a press in the Korean case. But I simply don't think you can say that the printing revolution is a product of the Eastern world.
thanks
I would mostly agree with you, but don't confuse a true phonetic alphabet system with English. English is only semi-phonetic and centuries of irregularities and invasions show in our spellings.
Compare to a "real" phonetic language such as Turkish or Spanish. MUCH easier to learn to read.
For various reasons that have to do with both Euro- and Sino-centrism, the Korean contribution to printing is largely unknown and unappreciated.
I think the reason for this is that it didn't go anywhere. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Gutenberg's press lead directly to the printing revolution that is still running rampant in the world today. What did the Korean press lead to? nothing..
There's not even any evidence that Gutenberg had even heard of Chinese printing presses, and his press differs signifigantly from Eastern presses.
Incidentally, europeans used xylography too in the early middle ages, probably transmitted from the east, though I'm not sure.