Whether you like it or not globalization is going to happen.
That was never the discussion. What is at issue is how corporations here in America handle the globalization which is obviously happening as a result of technological advance.
So you have as much chance to stop it as the old manufacture workers had of stopping the first industrial revolution by destroying the steam engines in factories. But at least they saw what was the real driver of the change.
Nobody on this forum is trying to stop globalization, and I don't think they've overlooked the reasons which led us closer to a global market.
I am suspicious of any comparison of today's local economies to local economies in the Middle Ages, or any comparison of the outrage to outsourcing to the poor blokes in the industrial revolution trying to destroy the steam engines.
It's more complicated today, more factors in play, and simply a bad analogy. No one here is trying to destroy advanced telecommunications, the internet, or any technology which would cut geographic boundaries. These technologies should be used by our American corporations to foster trade and enlarge the customer base -- not as a pipeline to a pool of cheaper labor.
And I'm tired of the analogies to the automotive industry in the 70s. Those were largely assembly line workers -- and IT workers in the past 15-20 years are anything but assembly line workers. The nature of the industry is different and therefore the comparison fails. Detroit was putting out shitty cars, the American industry was not putting shitty products - rather the opposite - they invented the commercial internet, and have advanced the application of these technologies - Google anyone?
And you say, as far as I understand, that software (especially made in the US by US citizens) is going "to be the final answer for the planet"?
No - industries which destroy the planet by slurping its natural resources and polluting its atmosphere - such as the internal combustion engine based automotive industry are not the answer for the planet.
The answer for the planet (and yes, lots of it will be software oriented) is for each locality to create and support economic models that sustain the local population. And that is what corporations here are NOT doing by outsourcing the middle class. That global economy crap is wrong, what companies are doing is simply going for a cheap labor pool, and in the same step taking dollars away from the consumer here who would have bought their product.
What is being outsourced is not software design, archictecture or anything high-level for the most part. Most of the Indians with new jobs are not designing software. They're doing more menial jobs like Level 1 tech support and processing tax forms..
With all due respect to Mr. B and Collabnet, "we saved the SF jobs" sounds like a well thought out rationalization, for a much larger problem which is ultimately destroying IT, research, and technical innovation in America.
The first excuse from companies from two or three weeks ago, was, "American colleges are not producing graduates with strong enough skills in CS, math, science, and engineering, so we are forced to outsource"..
Now we're hearing, and I bet other corporations (of Collabnet's size and position) will pick up on this, that in order to save a few jobs and the company there was a "moral" directive to go get cheaper labor.
Nobody says American companies are required to create jobs - but by outsourcing everything they're destroying the next generation of technological innovation - you saw the last wave of hackers in the dot com boom. The next wave you see is going to be a mix of MBAs and sanitation engineers - the new U.S. demographic mix.
The technical industries are far more important to preserve than say, the automotive industry, ever was. Cars burning petroleum were never going to be the final answer for the planet - we knew that since the 50s.. technological innovation is going to save the planet. Too bad it won't be coming from the U.S.
Use FileMakerPro or other relational database tool for this. It's easier than Excel to set up the layout, and it's much easier to integrate the database (say of employee names and office phone numbers) that lies behind the page.
Doing a small address book in Excel, was cheaper than buying a copy of Filemaker Pro.
It was a lot more interesting in Excel, because I wrote the macros and designed the dialog box layout for the front end. You didn't know you could do that in Excel -- DID you?:) Yeah, I made a nice dialog box with the necessary fields, about 25-30 of them, and that's where you'd do your queries, and enter new records too. Actually it served the purpose wonderfully, and I could easily add fields that did math based on contacts/calls etc, which I did, to nice effect. That was a few years ago...
And then I went heavily into drug and alcohol abuse, lost all my clients and contacts, and didn't need a database after all.
But why accept hard data from a well-respected product review organization that doesn't accept advertising when you can spew mindless anecdotal drivel pulled from a dark, hard-to-reach place that makes you feel so much more important than others?
but the problem from a public perception point of view is that it was quietly done, not publicized, and is not very vocal response to the original lawsuit.
IBM seems to be defending itself, but not attacking. The public perception of the latest request is going to be "IBM doesn't want a battle, and is looking for a quick settlement without going to war."
I have never heard of a corporate legal department using or requiring a "development platform". The OP is a troll. He looks like a troll, he smells like a troll, and he talks like a troll.
You may disagree with his statement, Where did I say that I disagreed with anything?
I believe this whole SCO thing is having an impact on linux adoption
There's an impact, but much smaller than you purport. Linux adoption is going forward steamroller style, although there are real arguments, and real reasons you can point to against some corporate adoption, such as lack of support, lack of roadmap in some products, etc. But don't overlook the quickly growing discontent with Microsoft, because of ongoing security issues, high pricing, and the Assurance program's cost, the EU decision, which is making CTOs (who haven't yet "adopted" Linux) seriously look for alternatives.
The thought that PJ edits pro-SCO commentary out of Groklaw is... unthinkable.
If the judge grants what IBM wants, the case will be over, SCO's stock price will have created much revenue for them, as did the investment by MS, Linux will have had doubt cast upon it needlessly, and there will have been no punishment for Darl.
I wish IBM would fight them in court, win, and countersue for further damages to prove the point.
There's a Good Thing that has happened as a result of the SCO saga to date:
the Linux development commmunity is now being a lot more careful about code re-use, attribution, credits, and licensing issues in redistributed packages.
I use Excel constantly to do layouts for invoices, estimates, cards, presentation, etc. because of the precise sizing control. It looks professional, not cheesy at all, some of the stuff looks like it came from a printer.
As for the database aspect, Excel is well suited for a database table layout, that's one of it's principal uses. Not a relational database, but just simple tables, it great at. There's no reason you couldn't have an address book with hundreds of entries and a dialog box front end made with macros. I did this in the past, worked great.
Hm, maybe you got misplaced among the threads or something as you're preaching to the converted... what I was saying, before the interruption from the simpering Dell boy, is that Apple's hardware support sucks. And you're living proof.
How can you complain about an american Dell employee posting company policy on a website when Indian outsourcers are releasing entire databases of personal information that was outsourced to them?
You're offtopic. But never mind. You must have been focusing hard on your Mumbai-bashing when the US Government sold "entire databases" of consumers' private information to Jet Blue and others.
The point of the thread was Apple's sub par customer support in the event of repeated hardware failure, of which there is enough to warrant consumer outrage. AppleCare == AppleScare.
I'd love to fire the Dell twit slacker. He's reading Slashdot from his cube no doubt, in the middle of work, cruising freekin' apple.slashdot.org no less.
OH. Then he's a BAD Dell employee if he's lurking around posting as AC against his employer's policies, the twit. If he had any balls he would... oh never mind. No wonder big corporations are outsourcing to India - what quality do employees bring any more? I'd love to fire his ass let alone outsource him.
you act like ANY OTHER computer manufacturer is different. pull your head out of your ass.
Dell replaces after 3 major incidents.
For issues of warranty replacement/repair, Apple is third rate, as testified to by hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Those lucky enough not to experience hardware problems don't feel this way.
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Whether you like it or not globalization is going to happen.
That was never the discussion. What is at issue is how corporations here in America handle the globalization which is obviously happening as a result of technological advance.
So you have as much chance to stop it as the old manufacture workers had of stopping the first industrial revolution by destroying the steam engines in factories. But at least they saw what was the real driver of the change.
Nobody on this forum is trying to stop globalization, and I don't think they've overlooked the reasons which led us closer to a global market.
I am suspicious of any comparison of today's local economies to local economies in the Middle Ages, or any comparison of the outrage to outsourcing to the poor blokes in the industrial revolution trying to destroy the steam engines.
It's more complicated today, more factors in play, and simply a bad analogy. No one here is trying to destroy advanced telecommunications, the internet, or any technology which would cut geographic boundaries. These technologies should be used by our American corporations to foster trade and enlarge the customer base -- not as a pipeline to a pool of cheaper labor.
And I'm tired of the analogies to the automotive industry in the 70s. Those were largely assembly line workers -- and IT workers in the past 15-20 years are anything but assembly line workers. The nature of the industry is different and therefore the comparison fails. Detroit was putting out shitty cars, the American industry was not putting shitty products - rather the opposite - they invented the commercial internet, and have advanced the application of these technologies - Google anyone?
And you say, as far as I understand, that software (especially made in the US by US citizens) is going "to be the final answer for the planet"?
No - industries which destroy the planet by slurping its natural resources and polluting its atmosphere - such as the internal combustion engine based automotive industry are not the answer for the planet.
The answer for the planet (and yes, lots of it will be software oriented) is for each locality to create and support economic models that sustain the local population. And that is what corporations here are NOT doing by outsourcing the middle class. That global economy crap is wrong, what companies are doing is simply going for a cheap labor pool, and in the same step taking dollars away from the consumer here who would have bought their product.
What is being outsourced is not software design, archictecture or anything high-level for the most part. Most of the Indians with new jobs are not designing software. They're doing more menial jobs like Level 1 tech support and processing tax forms..
With all due respect to Mr. B and Collabnet, "we saved the SF jobs" sounds like a well thought out rationalization, for a much larger problem which is ultimately destroying IT, research, and technical innovation in America.
The first excuse from companies from two or three weeks ago, was, "American colleges are not producing graduates with strong enough skills in CS, math, science, and engineering, so we are forced to outsource"..
Now we're hearing, and I bet other corporations (of Collabnet's size and position) will pick up on this, that in order to save a few jobs and the company there was a "moral" directive to go get cheaper labor.
Nobody says American companies are required to create jobs - but by outsourcing everything they're destroying the next generation of technological innovation - you saw the last wave of hackers in the dot com boom. The next wave you see is going to be a mix of MBAs and sanitation engineers - the new U.S. demographic mix.
The technical industries are far more important to preserve than say, the automotive industry, ever was. Cars burning petroleum were never going to be the final answer for the planet - we knew that since the 50s.. technological innovation is going to save the planet. Too bad it won't be coming from the U.S.
wail hail, Dubya's gotta have SOME way of keeping tabs on the cheap labor once he gets 'em all up there on Mars..
Is this going on all night??
F-r-e-e-B-S-D L-i-c-e-n-s-e, R-e-v-i-s-e-d.
I went heavily into drug and alcohol abuse, lost all my clients and contacts, and didn't need a database after all.
:(
Ouch. If that's true, then that's very, very... sad.
Especially cos I did the same.
I was only JOKING!!!
I didn't lose any clients.
Yeah. Populating a database .. manually.
So I believe you would agree with me when I say neither Apple, or Dell care about your lemon?
Use FileMakerPro or other relational database tool for this. It's easier than Excel to set up the layout, and it's much easier to integrate the database (say of employee names and office phone numbers) that lies behind the page.
Doing a small address book in Excel, was cheaper than buying a copy of Filemaker Pro.
It was a lot more interesting in Excel, because I wrote the macros and designed the dialog box layout for the front end. You didn't know you could do that in Excel -- DID you?:) Yeah, I made a nice dialog box with the necessary fields, about 25-30 of them, and that's where you'd do your queries, and enter new records too. Actually it served the purpose wonderfully, and I could easily add fields that did math based on contacts/calls etc, which I did, to nice effect. That was a few years ago...
And then I went heavily into drug and alcohol abuse, lost all my clients and contacts, and didn't need a database after all.
As seen through your filter.
Troll language. Recognize it.
But why accept hard data from a well-respected product review organization that doesn't accept advertising when you can spew mindless anecdotal drivel pulled from a dark, hard-to-reach place that makes you feel so much more important than others?
Ok, you win.
They are countersuing for damages,
I realize IBM has filed a countersuit with SCO...
but the problem from a public perception point of view is that it was quietly done, not publicized, and is not very vocal response to the original lawsuit.
IBM seems to be defending itself, but not attacking. The public perception of the latest request is going to be "IBM doesn't want a battle, and is looking for a quick settlement without going to war."
First off he said he's an attorney, not a lawfirm
... unthinkable.
True. Sorry. I apologize.
I have never heard of a corporate legal department using or requiring a "development platform". The OP is a troll. He looks like a troll, he smells like a troll, and he talks like a troll.
You may disagree with his statement,
Where did I say that I disagreed with anything?
I believe this whole SCO thing is having an impact on linux adoption
There's an impact, but much smaller than you purport. Linux adoption is going forward steamroller style, although there are real arguments, and real reasons you can point to against some corporate adoption, such as lack of support, lack of roadmap in some products, etc. But don't overlook the quickly growing discontent with Microsoft, because of ongoing security issues, high pricing, and the Assurance program's cost, the EU decision, which is making CTOs (who haven't yet "adopted" Linux) seriously look for alternatives.
The thought that PJ edits pro-SCO commentary out of Groklaw is
If the judge grants what IBM wants, the case will be over, SCO's stock price will have created much revenue for them, as did the investment by MS, Linux will have had doubt cast upon it needlessly, and there will have been no punishment for Darl.
I wish IBM would fight them in court, win, and countersue for further damages to prove the point.
There's a Good Thing that has happened as a result of the SCO saga to date:
the Linux development commmunity is now being a lot more careful about code re-use, attribution, credits, and licensing issues in redistributed packages.
While we were planning on adopting Linux as our new development platform, we have not.
So you're a law firm and you were looking at a Linux development platform. Uh, yeah. Right. You dirty little troll.
I use Excel constantly to do layouts for invoices, estimates, cards, presentation, etc. because of the precise sizing control. It looks professional, not cheesy at all, some of the stuff looks like it came from a printer.
As for the database aspect, Excel is well suited for a database table layout, that's one of it's principal uses. Not a relational database, but just simple tables, it great at. There's no reason you couldn't have an address book with hundreds of entries and a dialog box front end made with macros. I did this in the past, worked great.
Hm, maybe you got misplaced among the threads or something as you're preaching to the converted... what I was saying, before the interruption from the simpering Dell boy, is that Apple's hardware support sucks. And you're living proof.
Your debating skills are outstanding. You're fired, Dell TWIT.
Even muggers recognize that the higher price of Apple hardware goes into quality.
Most muggers don't realize they'll be replacing that little battery for $99 in a couple weeks' time.
How can you complain about an american Dell employee posting company policy on a website when Indian outsourcers are releasing entire databases of personal information that was outsourced to them?
You're offtopic. But never mind. You must have been focusing hard on your Mumbai-bashing when the US Government sold "entire databases" of consumers' private information to Jet Blue and others.
The point of the thread was Apple's sub par customer support in the event of repeated hardware failure, of which there is enough to warrant consumer outrage. AppleCare == AppleScare.
I'd love to fire the Dell twit slacker. He's reading Slashdot from his cube no doubt, in the middle of work, cruising freekin' apple.slashdot.org no less.
the poster is a Dell employee
... oh never mind. No wonder big corporations are outsourcing to India - what quality do employees bring any more? I'd love to fire his ass let alone outsource him.
OH. Then he's a BAD Dell employee if he's lurking around posting as AC against his employer's policies, the twit. If he had any balls he would
you act like ANY OTHER computer manufacturer is different. pull your head out of your ass.
Dell replaces after 3 major incidents.
For issues of warranty replacement/repair, Apple is third rate, as testified to by hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Those lucky enough not to experience hardware problems don't feel this way.
Yes, post anonymously when telling the unvarnished truth about Apple. There's an agenda here at Slashdot... in case you hadn't noticed.
No, they shouldn't replace the machine.
You made the choice to buy it under those terms. It keeps getting repaired, and that's how it works.
That's what you get for buying Apple, it comes with the territory. The ads are purdy though, ain't they.