I don't think the US will have a solar eclipse until something like 2017 (seems like that's what the ole Farmers Almanac said, but it's been a while since I last read that).
No kidding! Who here in their right mind actually thinks that whatever Linux becomes inside the borders of China will EVER see the light of day outside those borders?
If anything, I'd be pissed that all the work the programers put into Linux will help benefit China! Great! Not only do they get all your work for free, they're going to take it, modify it, and say "screw you" when everyone outside of China says "remember to release the source code".
"I submit that your average computer using teenage is increasingly using Linux or a BSD..."
What is your idea of increasingly? A jump from 1% to 2%? Or 5% to 75%?
I would submit that maybe the cream of the crop (top percentage of teenagers) might be interested in learning all the stuff required for Linux (and would consider that lots of fun), but most teenagers using computers are more interested in the games. And the games come (for the most part) in Windows 95.
I have several engineering students from the University of Colorado working with me (they cycle through a program we have at our company), and I always ask them what they know about Linux (because I hope one day I'll find one that can actually teach me something more than I know). These are super bright kids, but only one had ever even used it (on someone else's machine) and he didn't know squat. By my own very unscientific poll, Linux isn't making much headway into the non-computer related technical fields.
This is the kind of comment I would expect from someone who really doesn't understand what he's/she's talking about. You see VBA only as a security hole, I see it as salvation - my job would be almost un-do-able without it. You try reducing, graphing, formatting, and summarizing 1000's of test results (report ready) without some type of automation like VBA. If you can give me a viable Linux alternative (that is compatible in full with all my customers (which all use Excel also)), then I'll consider switching. Please note that all the commercial software we have in the lab outputs to it's format or Excel also (still can't believe it doesn't have an ASCII output).
BTW, I'm not a strong programmer either so programming something in C++ to do it isn't a viable option for me.
They'll have to make some UNBELIEVABLE changes to the Quattro Pro macro language for it to even approach 10% of the power of Excel. Function for function they are basically the same (although QPro still crashes a lot on my wife under NT), but you get someone working with QPro and it's macro "language" versus Excel and VBA - no contest. QPro doesn't come close.
This starts me wondering - what even makes you think your statement is remotely valid? Do you know of some major overhall in QPro? That sure will make my wife happy since, although she uses it, she envy's what I can do in Excel in VBA.
1) Network support. The ability to start a remote X session is a HUGE advantage. It allows you to run machines without monitirs, it allows you to work in a GUI when you want to do remote administration, etc.
But what advantage is this on a desktop computer? Think about the number of people that this would not benefit in the least. All of those computer drones in billions of cubicals - are you going to try to sell them on Linux because of this?
If Linux really wants to replace Windows, this can't be one of it's biggest advantages. Could it be that the people that use Linux the most have forgotten (or don't know) what a typical daily computer user does with his or her machine?
2) Client Server Architecture. This means that we can have any number of Window Managers and switch among them at will. This is great becasue different people work differetly. What is efficient to you is ineficient to me, etc.
Are you going to have all those people that fit in the group above training on a system that can change COMPLETELY by installing another WM? Do you think any of those people will want or care about that? Companies already spend millions of dollars training people to use the Windows GUI, they'd never want something that would destroy the workers productivity.
Kingpin, Quake III, and C&C II are your idea of computer gaming nervana? Wow.... This is a list of three computer games I'd never buy (Windows, MacOS, Linux, BeOS, or console).
I can't imagine ever going back to a console type system with the type of games that are currently releasing on those systems. Heck, most console games converted to PC retain the same style of game play and they pretty much suck in my opinion.
I just can't see games (or their sequals) like
Independence War Thief Jedi Knight Age of Empires Baulder's Gate
ever translating to a console type system (just not enough buttons on that pad). Also, most of those games REQUIRE a mouse for decent game play.
Also, 56K? Hell, I plan on having DSL by years end. 56K will be ancient history. Dreamcast will be obsolete in my mind before it's even released (I realize not everyone will have access to DSL by the end of the year).
The high definition TV doesn't do much for me either. I don't expect to purchase one before I absolutely have to anyway (what's that date anyway, 2005?). I sure wouldn't buy one just for a console system.
I imagine this idea gets a fairly good response on a board like this because most Linux users (and I am one of them (part time)) want to justify the fact that it (Linux) is far behind Windows 95/98 in this respect (and therefore want an alternative to using Windows 95/98). But anyone who drops Windows and thinks they'll get a similar gaming experience on a console (no matter which one it is) is seriously missing out.
But this is really only about leisure and fun. If you can be blindly happy with a console, that is fine and dandy (but you will be missing out on some incredible games).
I've only used Linux sparingly for the past 8-12 months (admittedly trying to learn it in my free time) and I've had quite a few kernal panics (5-7). I've had NT since 3.5 (1994) and have only had 5-10 BSOD (mostly due to bad video drivers for my second video card).
Everyone's experience is a little different. The presentation just depends on how we want others to perceive it.
I would love a link that explains where email is private. I would think it is private as long as you don't send it. Once it is sent, it is as public as you standing on the street screeming at everyone within earshot.
How do you figure it lowers the credibilty of Mindcraft? I would assume that most of the Linux community has little belief in what they do anyway. People that like Microsoft products will just agree with it.
I don't think Mindcraft could do anything that the Linux community would accept as truth.
I can't see the logic in how this action lowers their "credibility". Maybe it lowers your already low opinion of Mindcraft - that I could understand.
There is nothing private about email. It is absolutely amazing the stupidity of some people. You want it private, you encrypt it.
We've got a local talk radio host that regularly answers voice mail from people (usually no different from the style of the emails that Mindcraft received). He laughs at people that start it off "I do not want this broadcast on the radio". If someone is STUPID enough to send that kind of item, then they have to accept responsibility for it.
Internet = Public Forum
Any a lot of you people think there is some God given privacy right for crap that you send? And you bad mouth Mindcraft for doing what they did? Maybe you ought to think twice before sending crap. I hope Mindcraft posts more of this. And Slashdot can post hate mail from Windows users and Microsoft can post mail from Microsoft haters. Maybe it'd help cut down on 1% of crap sent.
Also, you better check who's storing all that "private" email (companies, schools, etc.).
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My problem with it (besides being an overall stupid idea) is that Circuit City tried to sell Divx to the uninformed, ignorant consumer as a better option than DVD. I have yet to see any item that Divx was better in than DVD. Actually the only thing greater than DVD was the price.
Okay, I don't follow the logic. How does a closed source operating system cause this problem? It's not the OS that's being attacked, it's the apps on it (MS Outlook being used to erase Word, Excel, Powerpoint files (and others)). When Corel releases their closed source apps for Linux, will we see the same problem there?
What if the "tiny percentage of idiots" comprised 95-100% of all the hacks they experienced?
It's no different than the people that looked down Denver with the superbowl riots (both times). You're looking at 100 people MAX making a city of millions look like idiots. We couldn't convince the country otherwise though. Whenever Denver wins some big sporting event people will wonder "Will they burn down their city again?".
It's our society. You either have tough skin and grin and bear it when it happens, or you start screaming and crying and stomping your foot and act like a child. Considering the "I'M A VICTIM - COMPENSATE ME" attitude most in this country has, you tend to see the second reaction a lot more than the first.
(BTW, I'm not saying you had the second response, I'm just making some general comments.)
If certain people in the Linux/Unix community think that comment warrents boycotting the program, and possibly attacking it though additional hacks and cheats then I would say they have some very thin skin. Face it, we are, for the most part, a country of cry-babies (or at least they are the most vocal portion of our country).
Your comments are just stupid. It's a free market economy. If Bush is smart enough to buy up those names before some anti-bush person does, then more power to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gore do the same - or any of the other serious candidates (hell, I imagine Ross Perot is going to be shelling out some money to do the same). If you are smart enough to pre-empt some dumb thing like that, then wonderful. Let someone use their geocities account to post bad things against Bush, it just won't be as easy for people to find it.
Either you don't live in the US (and thus don't really understand our country), or you do but really have no clue of how "free speech" and "market economy" go together. Honestly though, how many credible things would be posted on a "bush-sucks.com" site? If I was a Democrat, I wouldn't list that as a reference to some negative thing used against Bush.
"I can practice my freedom, by making yours harder"
"Speaks for itself."
Actually your comments leave me speachless. I've never heard such a warped point of view.
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I'm playing Planescape Torment now, and I must say that it is one of the most incredible games I've ever played.
"Cold and dim during daylight hours"? Wouldn't that be a solar eclipse you're describing?
I don't think the US will have a solar eclipse until something like 2017 (seems like that's what the ole Farmers Almanac said, but it's been a while since I last read that).
No kidding! Who here in their right mind actually thinks that whatever Linux becomes inside the borders of China will EVER see the light of day outside those borders?
If anything, I'd be pissed that all the work the programers put into Linux will help benefit China! Great! Not only do they get all your work for free, they're going to take it, modify it, and say "screw you" when everyone outside of China says "remember to release the source code".
"I submit that your average computer using teenage is increasingly using Linux or a BSD..."
What is your idea of increasingly? A jump from 1% to 2%? Or 5% to 75%?
I would submit that maybe the cream of the crop (top percentage of teenagers) might be interested in learning all the stuff required for Linux (and would consider that lots of fun), but most teenagers using computers are more interested in the games. And the games come (for the most part) in Windows 95.
I have several engineering students from the University of Colorado working with me (they cycle through a program we have at our company), and I always ask them what they know about Linux (because I hope one day I'll find one that can actually teach me something more than I know). These are super bright kids, but only one had ever even used it (on someone else's machine) and he didn't know squat. By my own very unscientific poll, Linux isn't making much headway into the non-computer related technical fields.
This is the kind of comment I would expect from someone who really doesn't understand what he's/she's talking about. You see VBA only as a security hole, I see it as salvation - my job would be almost un-do-able without it. You try reducing, graphing, formatting, and summarizing 1000's of test results (report ready) without some type of automation like VBA. If you can give me a viable Linux alternative (that is compatible in full with all my customers (which all use Excel also)), then I'll consider switching. Please note that all the commercial software we have in the lab outputs to it's format or Excel also (still can't believe it doesn't have an ASCII output).
BTW, I'm not a strong programmer either so programming something in C++ to do it isn't a viable option for me.
Although I agree with you, what about those that start using the computers and decide they like it and want more? Then they'll be stuck.
They'll have to make some UNBELIEVABLE changes to the Quattro Pro macro language for it to even approach 10% of the power of Excel. Function for function they are basically the same (although QPro still crashes a lot on my wife under NT), but you get someone working with QPro and it's macro "language" versus Excel and VBA - no contest. QPro doesn't come close.
This starts me wondering - what even makes you think your statement is remotely valid? Do you know of some major overhall in QPro? That sure will make my wife happy since, although she uses it, she envy's what I can do in Excel in VBA.
I agree. If I didn't have VBA available for data reduction, it'd take me 10-20 times as long to do what I have to do (maybe even longer).
VBA and Excel have been an absolute life saver for me.
I use Visual Basic heavily in my daily Excel use. How well does that transfer over to StarOffice?
I sure don't want to do the hundreds of repetitive functions that I have to do manually!
1) Network support. The ability to start a remote X session is a HUGE advantage. It allows you to run machines without monitirs, it allows you to work in a GUI when you want to do remote administration, etc.
But what advantage is this on a desktop computer? Think about the number of people that this would not benefit in the least. All of those computer drones in billions of cubicals - are you going to try to sell them on Linux because of this?
If Linux really wants to replace Windows, this can't be one of it's biggest advantages. Could it be that the people that use Linux the most have forgotten (or don't know) what a typical daily computer user does with his or her machine?
2) Client Server Architecture. This means that we can have any number of Window Managers and switch among them at will. This is great becasue different people work differetly. What is efficient to you is ineficient to me, etc.
Are you going to have all those people that fit in the group above training on a system that can change COMPLETELY by installing another WM? Do you think any of those people will want or care about that? Companies already spend millions of dollars training people to use the Windows GUI, they'd never want something that would destroy the workers productivity.
You know, the multi-virtual desktop is one of the things I like LEAST about X.
Kingpin, Quake III, and C&C II are your idea of computer gaming nervana? Wow.... This is a list of three computer games I'd never buy (Windows, MacOS, Linux, BeOS, or console).
I can't imagine ever going back to a console type system with the type of games that are currently releasing on those systems. Heck, most console games converted to PC retain the same style of game play and they pretty much suck in my opinion.
I just can't see games (or their sequals) like
Independence War
Thief
Jedi Knight
Age of Empires
Baulder's Gate
ever translating to a console type system (just not enough buttons on that pad). Also, most of those games REQUIRE a mouse for decent game play.
Also, 56K? Hell, I plan on having DSL by years end. 56K will be ancient history. Dreamcast will be obsolete in my mind before it's even released (I realize not everyone will have access to DSL by the end of the year).
The high definition TV doesn't do much for me either. I don't expect to purchase one before I absolutely have to anyway (what's that date anyway, 2005?). I sure wouldn't buy one just for a console system.
I imagine this idea gets a fairly good response on a board like this because most Linux users (and I am one of them (part time)) want to justify the fact that it (Linux) is far behind Windows 95/98 in this respect (and therefore want an alternative to using Windows 95/98). But anyone who drops Windows and thinks they'll get a similar gaming experience on a console (no matter which one it is) is seriously missing out.
But this is really only about leisure and fun. If you can be blindly happy with a console, that is fine and dandy (but you will be missing out on some incredible games).
You bought a PC 2 years ago and it won't run Half-life? I'm running a PPro 200 (from over 2 years ago) and it runs half life like a dream.
It'll also run almost every other game quite nicely still too (Kingpin won't, but I have no intrest in it anyway).
I find that I'm quite productive with Office. Much more so than anything I've seen in Linux.
The Visual Basic macro language increases my productivity quite a bit!
I've only used Linux sparingly for the past 8-12 months (admittedly trying to learn it in my free time) and I've had quite a few kernal panics (5-7). I've had NT since 3.5 (1994) and have only had 5-10 BSOD (mostly due to bad video drivers for my second video card).
Everyone's experience is a little different. The presentation just depends on how we want others to perceive it.
I would love a link that explains where email is private. I would think it is private as long as you don't send it. Once it is sent, it is as public as you standing on the street screeming at everyone within earshot.
I agree with you 100%!
I think all web sites (if applicable) should post the crap they receive. Maybe then people will think twice before they send it.
Maybe Slashdot should post a sampling of some of the messages they receive from anti-Linux people.
How do you figure it lowers the credibilty of Mindcraft? I would assume that most of the Linux community has little belief in what they do anyway. People that like Microsoft products will just agree with it.
I don't think Mindcraft could do anything that the Linux community would accept as truth.
I can't see the logic in how this action lowers their "credibility". Maybe it lowers your already low opinion of Mindcraft - that I could understand.
There is nothing private about email. It is absolutely amazing the stupidity of some people. You want it private, you encrypt it.
We've got a local talk radio host that regularly answers voice mail from people (usually no different from the style of the emails that Mindcraft received). He laughs at people that start it off "I do not want this broadcast on the radio". If someone is STUPID enough to send that kind of item, then they have to accept responsibility for it.
Internet = Public Forum
Any a lot of you people think there is some God given privacy right for crap that you send? And you bad mouth Mindcraft for doing what they did? Maybe you ought to think twice before sending crap. I hope Mindcraft posts more of this. And Slashdot can post hate mail from Windows users and Microsoft can post mail from Microsoft haters. Maybe it'd help cut down on 1% of crap sent.
Also, you better check who's storing all that "private" email (companies, schools, etc.).
My problem with it (besides being an overall stupid idea) is that Circuit City tried to sell Divx to the uninformed, ignorant consumer as a better option than DVD. I have yet to see any item that Divx was better in than DVD. Actually the only thing greater than DVD was the price.
Okay, I don't follow the logic. How does a closed source operating system cause this problem? It's not the OS that's being attacked, it's the apps on it (MS Outlook being used to erase Word, Excel, Powerpoint files (and others)). When Corel releases their closed source apps for Linux, will we see the same problem there?
What if the "tiny percentage of idiots" comprised 95-100% of all the hacks they experienced?
It's no different than the people that looked down Denver with the superbowl riots (both times). You're looking at 100 people MAX making a city of millions look like idiots. We couldn't convince the country otherwise though. Whenever Denver wins some big sporting event people will wonder "Will they burn down their city again?".
It's our society. You either have tough skin and grin and bear it when it happens, or you start screaming and crying and stomping your foot and act like a child. Considering the "I'M A VICTIM - COMPENSATE ME" attitude most in this country has, you tend to see the second reaction a lot more than the first.
(BTW, I'm not saying you had the second response, I'm just making some general comments.)
If certain people in the Linux/Unix community think that comment warrents boycotting the program, and possibly attacking it though additional hacks and cheats then I would say they have some very thin skin. Face it, we are, for the most part, a country of cry-babies (or at least they are the most vocal portion of our country).
Your comments are just stupid. It's a free market economy. If Bush is smart enough to buy up those names before some anti-bush person does, then more power to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gore do the same - or any of the other serious candidates (hell, I imagine Ross Perot is going to be shelling out some money to do the same). If you are smart enough to pre-empt some dumb thing like that, then wonderful. Let someone use their geocities account to post bad things against Bush, it just won't be as easy for people to find it.
Either you don't live in the US (and thus don't really understand our country), or you do but really have no clue of how "free speech" and "market economy" go together. Honestly though, how many credible things would be posted on a "bush-sucks.com" site? If I was a Democrat, I wouldn't list that as a reference to some negative thing used against Bush.
"I can practice my freedom, by making yours harder"
"Speaks for itself."
Actually your comments leave me speachless. I've never heard such a warped point of view.