When you remove law enforcement from an area people revert back to their "natural" state, robbing, pillaging, raping, and assaulting. For references, see looters in natural disasters, crime reports during blackouts, etc.
If you think that's our species' natural state then I hope to Odin you don't live anywhere near me as you sound like a sociopath (after all, people tend to think others will act just like they would in the same situation).
Or maybe you've never lived through a blackout or natural disaster and don't really know, first hand, how people react. My experience with both is that people become more friendly to each other, not less, after such an event. I lived through the LA quake in '92, and for days afterward it was so much more pleasant driving around Los Angeles than ever before or since. People would actually wave each other through stop lights that were still out. In LA! The city famous for its freeway shootings.
You may want to rethink your view of humanity. It's seriously out of joint with what I've seen of the world.
The emails show top scientists conspiring to keep out alternative views; to fudge data to support their conclusions; and to delete data that doesn't support their conclusions after receiving FOIA requests for it. This is no conspiracy theory, this is very real, and very damaging. Only the people who completely bought into the AGW religion are ignoring it.
But that's OK, because over time even the hardcore AGW supporters will begin to realize the error of their ways. The damage to your cause is done; your ad hominem attack is only the death throes of a failed cult.
Figure it this way: a single CPU uses 40 watts of power. Leaving it running at 100% utilization is going to eat up quite a bit of power over time. There are 2,080 working hours in a school year, which leaves 6,680 hours the rest of the time; that's 267,200 kwHrs per machine per year. Times 5,000 machines over nine years and that's 12,024,000,000 kwHrs. At only 9.5 per kwHr, that's a whopping $1,142,280,000! So yeah, this is a huge theft of resources and the guy deserves jail time for it.
What if he hacked SETI@Home to operate as a virus, hiding itself in the process tree so it doesn't show up on the task manager? It's certainly possible, and would fit with him disabling the uninstall feature, too.
Corporations don't exist in a vacuum, they are owned and run by people. People who vote and contribute to political campaigns. Neither of those things would change in a pure democracy.
Pick one, any one, climate scientist who receives funding from an oil company. Then show how his or her data or methods are flawed. Until then, shut the fuck up, no one cares where the money comes from if the data and methods are sound and support the conclusions.
Which of course is the big problem with AGW now: the data and methods are fundamentally unsound, ergo their conclusions are not supported. Ergo, there is no global warming.
Have to give your credit. Nearly all the discussions on here by the anti-GW ppl are almost always ACs. It is nice to see somebody who is willing to stick up for what they believe.
Thanks. If you're not willing to stand by your principles and ideas, why have them in the first place?
With that said, do you have any proof that all these ppl are lying?
Did you not read the emails where they discussed discounting data merely because they didn't like the researchers? Or the source code where they manipulated the data? Those are both a form of deception, eg lies.
It's telling that the head of the CRU, Phil Jones, resigned/was fired last night for fraud. Will you still stand there and say he and his colleagues were not lying now that he's essentially admitted it?
Nothing in the CRU email and data indicates scientists who subscribe to an anthropogenic cause of climate change have not been systematically lying or engaging in unethical practices to support their work.
You are absolutely correct in this statement. There is no evidence in the emails that these scientists were not all lying.
Keep defending the indefensible. It's what liberals do best.
Deliberate attempts to delete email and data even those pending FOI requests
Yes, possibly. Not scientifically relevant.
Science is about the pursuit of knowledge and truth. If someone is hiding the source of their knowledge, even breaking laws to do so, how is that not relevant?
Maybe you're really just saying that truth itself isn't relevant to AGW. With that, I agree wholeheartedly.
Then why did the head of the CRU resign last night in disgrace? They were manipulating data (eg, lying) and keeping dissenting views from being expressed.
Repeat after me: there is no global warming, and there never was. The proof is in those emails and source code.
Fermat's theorem was that, given a tantalizing-enough hint, mathematicians will spend centuries trying to discover a proof that does not exist. I'd say he was right.
The real problem is that they are showing that piracy pays, even in the face of significant Western naval support.
Which is a much bigger problem than the millions of dollars they've been paid in ransoms. These pirates have shown that, for all our vaunted might, the Western powers can do nothing to stop them because there is no political will to do so. Even though the US spends billions of dollars on our Navy, we can't stop a few thousand guys with assault rifles in rubber rafts from controlling the sea lanes. This is yet another sign that the American empire is in serious decline and doesn't have long to live.
Too bad there are no security firms out there who hire hardened vets from the US and UK militaries. If there were, the shipping companies could hire these mercenaries to protect their ships while transiting the Horn of Africa.
Rupert Murdoch whines and complains about Google "stealing" traffic by bundling his content/data to work in different ways: Slashdotters get up in arms, saying he's "missing the point" or is somehow mentally defective and pushing a failed business model.
Craig Newmark shuts out Yahoo for unstated reasons: Slashdotters support him and think he's doing a great job, and should keep preventing other people from building apps that bundle his content/data to work in different ways.
Ah Slashdot, is there anything you can't be hypocritical about?
Which is completely asinine. I live in Richardson, TX, but I'm much closer to parts of Plano and Garland (or even Murphy) than I am to most parts of Richardson. Using Craig's "logic", I should only be able to search for things within Richardson, and not the towns I'm actually closer to. How does that help me or the people I want to buy from/sell to?
That was a pretty good troll. For a second there, I actually thought you were serious. But no one can be that insane to propose that every single scientific theory in existence postulates the existence of fate and a completely deterministic universe, so you must just be trolling.
Sure, nowadays. But the Catholic Church once required prompt payment of various fees to gain forgiveness of sins; and many smaller churches and cults have demanded tithes on a regular basis. Though it is true that other religions aren't nearly as money grubbing as the CoS is. Instead, the older ones just go for the real goods: power and devotion. With enough of those, you don't need money.
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So you'd fire someone for expressing an opinion with which you disagree? You use -1, Overrated a lot, don't you?
When you remove law enforcement from an area people revert back to their "natural" state, robbing, pillaging, raping, and assaulting. For references, see looters in natural disasters, crime reports during blackouts, etc.
If you think that's our species' natural state then I hope to Odin you don't live anywhere near me as you sound like a sociopath (after all, people tend to think others will act just like they would in the same situation).
Or maybe you've never lived through a blackout or natural disaster and don't really know, first hand, how people react. My experience with both is that people become more friendly to each other, not less, after such an event. I lived through the LA quake in '92, and for days afterward it was so much more pleasant driving around Los Angeles than ever before or since. People would actually wave each other through stop lights that were still out. In LA! The city famous for its freeway shootings.
You may want to rethink your view of humanity. It's seriously out of joint with what I've seen of the world.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure that when you build a road, they sell it as "55MPH capable", and everyone can safely drive 55mph.
Well, everyone except Sammy Hagar, of course.
The emails show top scientists conspiring to keep out alternative views; to fudge data to support their conclusions; and to delete data that doesn't support their conclusions after receiving FOIA requests for it. This is no conspiracy theory, this is very real, and very damaging. Only the people who completely bought into the AGW religion are ignoring it.
But that's OK, because over time even the hardcore AGW supporters will begin to realize the error of their ways. The damage to your cause is done; your ad hominem attack is only the death throes of a failed cult.
Figure it this way: a single CPU uses 40 watts of power. Leaving it running at 100% utilization is going to eat up quite a bit of power over time. There are 2,080 working hours in a school year, which leaves 6,680 hours the rest of the time; that's 267,200 kwHrs per machine per year. Times 5,000 machines over nine years and that's 12,024,000,000 kwHrs. At only 9.5 per kwHr, that's a whopping $1,142,280,000! So yeah, this is a huge theft of resources and the guy deserves jail time for it.
What if he hacked SETI@Home to operate as a virus, hiding itself in the process tree so it doesn't show up on the task manager? It's certainly possible, and would fit with him disabling the uninstall feature, too.
And they wonder why the school systems of the nation can't hire anyone competent.
You keep using that word...
Corporations don't exist in a vacuum, they are owned and run by people. People who vote and contribute to political campaigns. Neither of those things would change in a pure democracy.
Pick one, any one, climate scientist who receives funding from an oil company. Then show how his or her data or methods are flawed. Until then, shut the fuck up, no one cares where the money comes from if the data and methods are sound and support the conclusions.
Which of course is the big problem with AGW now: the data and methods are fundamentally unsound, ergo their conclusions are not supported. Ergo, there is no global warming.
They make up data!
And you think this is OK? That's it OK to lie and manipulate to get the results you want?
That's not just being human, it's being a lying douchebag.
On the other hand we have the most evil people on earth, from the fat Exxon types raking in dozens of billions of dollars of revenue
Yep, sounds like a completely objective post to me. Can't find a single reason to ignore everything you have to say on the subject.
Have to give your credit. Nearly all the discussions on here by the anti-GW ppl are almost always ACs. It is nice to see somebody who is willing to stick up for what they believe.
Thanks. If you're not willing to stand by your principles and ideas, why have them in the first place?
With that said, do you have any proof that all these ppl are lying?
Did you not read the emails where they discussed discounting data merely because they didn't like the researchers? Or the source code where they manipulated the data? Those are both a form of deception, eg lies.
It's telling that the head of the CRU, Phil Jones, resigned/was fired last night for fraud. Will you still stand there and say he and his colleagues were not lying now that he's essentially admitted it?
Nothing in the CRU email and data indicates scientists who subscribe to an anthropogenic cause of climate change have not been systematically lying or engaging in unethical practices to support their work.
You are absolutely correct in this statement. There is no evidence in the emails that these scientists were not all lying.
Keep defending the indefensible. It's what liberals do best.
Deliberate attempts to delete email and data even those pending FOI requests
Yes, possibly. Not scientifically relevant.
Science is about the pursuit of knowledge and truth. If someone is hiding the source of their knowledge, even breaking laws to do so, how is that not relevant?
Maybe you're really just saying that truth itself isn't relevant to AGW. With that, I agree wholeheartedly.
Then why did the head of the CRU resign last night in disgrace? They were manipulating data (eg, lying) and keeping dissenting views from being expressed.
Repeat after me: there is no global warming, and there never was. The proof is in those emails and source code.
Fermat's theorem was that, given a tantalizing-enough hint, mathematicians will spend centuries trying to discover a proof that does not exist. I'd say he was right.
In that regard it is similar to humor (joking about the Inquisition, ok
I have to admit, I did not expect that.
The real problem is that they are showing that piracy pays, even in the face of significant Western naval support.
Which is a much bigger problem than the millions of dollars they've been paid in ransoms. These pirates have shown that, for all our vaunted might, the Western powers can do nothing to stop them because there is no political will to do so. Even though the US spends billions of dollars on our Navy, we can't stop a few thousand guys with assault rifles in rubber rafts from controlling the sea lanes. This is yet another sign that the American empire is in serious decline and doesn't have long to live.
Or maybe he's just hanging out at gun shows in Texas?
Too bad there are no security firms out there who hire hardened vets from the US and UK militaries. If there were, the shipping companies could hire these mercenaries to protect their ships while transiting the Horn of Africa.
My God, Don't like it ... ??? DONT USE IT.
Guess what? I don't. And my life is all the richer because of it.
Rupert Murdoch whines and complains about Google "stealing" traffic by bundling his content/data to work in different ways: Slashdotters get up in arms, saying he's "missing the point" or is somehow mentally defective and pushing a failed business model.
Craig Newmark shuts out Yahoo for unstated reasons: Slashdotters support him and think he's doing a great job, and should keep preventing other people from building apps that bundle his content/data to work in different ways.
Ah Slashdot, is there anything you can't be hypocritical about?
Which is completely asinine. I live in Richardson, TX, but I'm much closer to parts of Plano and Garland (or even Murphy) than I am to most parts of Richardson. Using Craig's "logic", I should only be able to search for things within Richardson, and not the towns I'm actually closer to. How does that help me or the people I want to buy from/sell to?
That was a pretty good troll. For a second there, I actually thought you were serious. But no one can be that insane to propose that every single scientific theory in existence postulates the existence of fate and a completely deterministic universe, so you must just be trolling.
Hat tip to you, good sir!
Sure, nowadays. But the Catholic Church once required prompt payment of various fees to gain forgiveness of sins; and many smaller churches and cults have demanded tithes on a regular basis. Though it is true that other religions aren't nearly as money grubbing as the CoS is. Instead, the older ones just go for the real goods: power and devotion. With enough of those, you don't need money.