Yeah, there are always limits to any analogy - Certainly if I couldn't take resonable action to avoid him I would them try to stop him by any means possible (the least destructive that worked). This would be action to save my own life. And on the network side, if my machine was being beaten by a rogue machine, and no defences measures where working, and I felt that the machine was critical enough, I would take action against it (whether it is take out the process or take out the whole machine, again the least destructive that worked). Its all just a matter of justification and how weighing up the individual circumstances, which is pretty much how it happends at the minute, with a mandate or not. If there was a announcement that granted specific permission to defend yourself from disiese carriers, you'll find rampent mobs out looking for the nearest lepers, likewise on the 'net.
The analogy still stands - I can walk away from the disiesed guy, which will affect the width I can travel. If I feel he is maliciously folowing me a report him to the authorities (Police). A worm attacks me so I block that machine at my firewall, so only my bandwidth is affected, and if I feel they are maliciously attacking me, a report him to the authorities (ISP).
Heres a better analogy: You see someone walking around with a disease, do you have the right to treat this disease, thus protecting yourself? I know what I would do (i.e. tell him to go see a doctor, and keep my distance).
I certainly wouldn't want every man and his dog attacking my machine because they decide it is up to anti-social behaiviour (who defines what a 'worm' is?). It is up to the Network administrator to sort out his on problems, and if he doesn't it is up to his upstream provider to cut him off, not some internet 'bounty hunter' looking to earn kudos.
I'm not 'you guys' I'm Martin, an individual, and I speak for noone but myself. And who are you to speak for 'Ordinary People' as far as I am aware there was no mass movement by the 'Ordinary People' to elect a speaker on their behalf. Why don't you just speak for yourself, and let the 'Ordinary People' (don't know who they are anyway, I've never meet one) speak for themselves.
Well I'm quite happy to spend four hours - The reason I moved from Mandrake was becuase I want to know exactly what is going on with the system - so I spend my 4 hours reading the docs and checking out the config files to make sure I know just that. My philosophy is spend the time when you have it (as I did) to save time when you don't (sooner or later I will need to do something out of the ordinary and be in a big rush), but yeah there is no reason why you can't get it all up much quicker if your not to fussed on what is going on (or already know).
I've just changed my Desktop OS from Mandrake to FreeBSD - I'd been running FreeBSD as my server OS for a few years now and have always been impressed by its stability (NEVER had a crash) and ease of configuration. I was unsure about it as a desktop system since in that I want something that just works without any fuss, and Mandrake seemed to do the job. After 4 hours I had FreeBSD running kde with kdm, my mail/news/browsers, sound etc. all set up and working without any touble at all. All I have left is to get my scroll mouse working and I have everything I need, and I am confident I will have much less problems then with Mandrake (a fair few crashes and awkward to troubleshoot).
I would now recommend FreeBSD as the unix of choice for any purpose, it may not have a fancy graphical install program, but you will really appreciate this simplicity when you come to make changes/ do something a little out of the ordinary.
My OS catagories -
Windows XX - For the clueless masses, and often a neccassary evil (esp. games)
Linux Mandrake - Good when it is good (i.e. installs without a problem and no strange configurations), but a hog to troubleshoot.
FreeBSD - The king of server OS's, and by the look of things a great Desktop system.
Well, At least it is an attempt to do something without limiting the overall populations rights - No system is perfect, and I think you are missing the point. It is a relativly easy affair to block access to other services, and all that congress are saying is that 'here we will providing a safe place for children', whether you place your child there or not is up to you. And yes, there will be content allowed in that people object to, and content not allowed in that some poeple will want, but thats life for you, and if you can think of a solutions that will benifit everyone perfectly, fell free to tell.
"Using the image of the need for mankind to colonise space as a stark illustration of the problems facing Earth, the report warns that either consumption rates are dramatically and rapidly lowered or the planet will no longer be able to sustain its growing population."
They certainly have failed me, what, with me being from Ireland and all that. Oh well, at least I'm getting a proper education here at slashdot, thanks to the diligents of the ever present AC. Perhaps your proclavity to propagate corrections is a long time urning for perfect, or pehaps it is simply becuase your a dick. Anyway, I eagerly await your correction to this post (I'm not going to spend the time when you so obviously have it).
It sickening to here how low some people will go to earn a few extra bucks, but such is the world we live in. The real problem is how to deal with it. Many people like to quote that 'all you need to do is run firewall x and anti-virus b' etc. which is fine for the tech savvy, but as we are all painfully aware, the majority is not tech savvy.
I think using a computer should be though of more like using a car than a calculator - no one would dream of sitting in a car and going for a drive before taking some lessons and getting a license (apart from a joyrider perhaps), yet many people phone DELL-U-WANT, order their box and sit down thinking they will be able to browse away, most getting very irrate when it doesn't work out. People need to realise that to use a computer they need to put in time and effort to learn how to first, which is something not helped by all the AOL type adds saying how easy it is.
Another possible fix I like the idea of is to have a 'safe zone' - The WWW is a large and mostly free place, and I for one do not want to see ANY legislation changing that, whether apparently for the better or not. As anyone who lives in a large city nows, you don't go to the bad end of town unless you now how to handle yourself, people will learn to stay in the safe zone. It could work by having a controlling body which hands out domains (here.sfe etc.). Anyone using this site must sign a rigirous contract of use, forbidding any type of exploitation of the vunerable users. Thus, any company exploiting in the domain will be liable through breach of contract, and leaves the rest of the internet free for those of us who now what we are doing. Systems could come with 'IE-safe', which does not allow browsing outside the safe domain, so only someone who knows what they are doing will be able to download full browser and go to the big bad web.
These solutions are far from perfect, and do leave room for exploitation, but I think the're better than the 'I'm safe, I don't care' attitute, and a bit more constructive than 'lets melt the &"%$ in a vat of acid' solution:).
I think you are missing the point. There is nothing wrong with saying 'I think Windows is Bad because of x, y, z and Linux is good because of a, b and c, therefore I think you should change'. This is not what they did.
I wouldn't have been so bad if verisign had sent a letter saying 'Change from your current provider to us becuase we can offer x better deal' (forgetting the unsolicited mail issue), but instead they attempt to decieve the customer into signing up with them, when they would probably be thinking they are simply renewing the service they have.
It is a sad state when orginisations so blatently falls in with the 'why not if we can get away with it and make a quick buck' attitude. Just becuase you can and you are not breaking any laws does not make it right. In a society you should show respect for the people around you, whether you are in the work place, in business or down the pub, and verisign has shown a complete lack of respect to its competiors, and its potential customers, by pulling this stunt. It just creates an atmosphere of distrust and dirty tricks, which ends up being bad for all involved.
Its always good to see technology being pushed, but I really can't see the need for '1000' times the power for games. There is so much untapped power in the current generation consoles at the minute - compare early playstation games with the most recent, tekken 1 comparred to tekken 3 for example. In a year or so time when developers have much more experience with the hardware, I expect to see the same sort of leap. developers wanted the hardware sped up so much just sounds to me like laziness.
My other concern is how would they achieve the distribute network. The thing I like about my consoles is that I stick in the disk/catridge and play, no pissing around. I hack on my PC, I play on my console, and thats the way I like it. If I have to start into configuraing and debugging (which as it gets more complex is bound to happen) then the whole reasn for the console goes out the window.
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nethack is one of the deepest, most complete games out. If you think it should be possible to do, then more likly than not you can do it in nethack.
If your given it a go for the first time, prepare yourself to be disappointed. Be prepared to spend the first ~hour or so dying many times mostly from starvation and YASD (Yet another stupid death. But if you get that through hour or so and last beyond around level 10, you will be hooked for life (not neccassarily a good thing!). I would recommend reading some of the many guides on the net, but avoid the spoilers at least for the first while, it will spoil the satisfaction of discovering things yourself (like #dipping your sword into a poition of poison will make your sword poisoned as a small example).
I have just finished playing nethack and started browsing the web to find something interesting. Looks like I will be going back to playing nethack again!
I've been playing nethack for many years now, and is the ONLY game I keep coming back to. For those that enjoy it, I would recommend slashem - a game based on the nethack code with add'on - though I am sure that there are many purists who will flame that!
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Yeah, there are always limits to any analogy - Certainly if I couldn't take resonable action to avoid him I would them try to stop him by any means possible (the least destructive that worked). This would be action to save my own life. And on the network side, if my machine was being beaten by a rogue machine, and no defences measures where working, and I felt that the machine was critical enough, I would take action against it (whether it is take out the process or take out the whole machine, again the least destructive that worked). Its all just a matter of justification and how weighing up the individual circumstances, which is pretty much how it happends at the minute, with a mandate or not. If there was a announcement that granted specific permission to defend yourself from disiese carriers, you'll find rampent mobs out looking for the nearest lepers, likewise on the 'net.
The analogy still stands - I can walk away from the disiesed guy, which will affect the width I can travel. If I feel he is maliciously folowing me a report him to the authorities (Police). A worm attacks me so I block that machine at my firewall, so only my bandwidth is affected, and if I feel they are maliciously attacking me, a report him to the authorities (ISP).
Heres a better analogy: You see someone walking around with a disease, do you have the right to treat this disease, thus protecting yourself? I know what I would do (i.e. tell him to go see a doctor, and keep my distance).
I certainly wouldn't want every man and his dog attacking my machine because they decide it is up to anti-social behaiviour (who defines what a 'worm' is?). It is up to the Network administrator to sort out his on problems, and if he doesn't it is up to his upstream provider to cut him off, not some internet 'bounty hunter' looking to earn kudos.
I'm not 'you guys' I'm Martin, an individual, and I speak for noone but myself. And who are you to speak for 'Ordinary People' as far as I am aware there was no mass movement by the 'Ordinary People' to elect a speaker on their behalf. Why don't you just speak for yourself, and let the 'Ordinary People' (don't know who they are anyway, I've never meet one) speak for themselves.
Well I'm quite happy to spend four hours - The reason I moved from Mandrake was becuase I want to know exactly what is going on with the system - so I spend my 4 hours reading the docs and checking out the config files to make sure I know just that. My philosophy is spend the time when you have it (as I did) to save time when you don't (sooner or later I will need to do something out of the ordinary and be in a big rush), but yeah there is no reason why you can't get it all up much quicker if your not to fussed on what is going on (or already know).
I've just changed my Desktop OS from Mandrake to FreeBSD - I'd been running FreeBSD as my server OS for a few years now and have always been impressed by its stability (NEVER had a crash) and ease of configuration. I was unsure about it as a desktop system since in that I want something that just works without any fuss, and Mandrake seemed to do the job. After 4 hours I had FreeBSD running kde with kdm, my mail/news/browsers, sound etc. all set up and working without any touble at all. All I have left is to get my scroll mouse working and I have everything I need, and I am confident I will have much less problems then with Mandrake (a fair few crashes and awkward to troubleshoot).
I would now recommend FreeBSD as the unix of choice for any purpose, it may not have a fancy graphical install program, but you will really appreciate this simplicity when you come to make changes/ do something a little out of the ordinary.
My OS catagories -
Windows XX - For the clueless masses, and often a neccassary evil (esp. games)
Linux Mandrake - Good when it is good (i.e. installs without a problem and no strange configurations), but a hog to troubleshoot.
FreeBSD - The king of server OS's, and by the look of things a great Desktop system.
Well, At least it is an attempt to do something without limiting the overall populations rights - No system is perfect, and I think you are missing the point. It is a relativly easy affair to block access to other services, and all that congress are saying is that 'here we will providing a safe place for children', whether you place your child there or not is up to you. And yes, there will be content allowed in that people object to, and content not allowed in that some poeple will want, but thats life for you, and if you can think of a solutions that will benifit everyone perfectly, fell free to tell.
"Using the image of the need for mankind to colonise space as a stark illustration of the problems facing Earth, the report warns that either consumption rates are dramatically and rapidly lowered or the planet will no longer be able to sustain its growing population."
No Pun intended! (Think of the Ben Elton Book)
They certainly have failed me, what, with me being from Ireland and all that. Oh well, at least I'm getting a proper education here at slashdot, thanks to the diligents of the ever present AC. Perhaps your proclavity to propagate corrections is a long time urning for perfect, or pehaps it is simply becuase your a dick. Anyway, I eagerly await your correction to this post (I'm not going to spend the time when you so obviously have it).
Cheers!
It sickening to here how low some people will go to earn a few extra bucks, but such is the world we live in. The real problem is how to deal with it. Many people like to quote that 'all you need to do is run firewall x and anti-virus b' etc. which is fine for the tech savvy, but as we are all painfully aware, the majority is not tech savvy.
:).
I think using a computer should be though of more like using a car than a calculator - no one would dream of sitting in a car and going for a drive before taking some lessons and getting a license (apart from a joyrider perhaps), yet many people phone DELL-U-WANT, order their box and sit down thinking they will be able to browse away, most getting very irrate when it doesn't work out. People need to realise that to use a computer they need to put in time and effort to learn how to first, which is something not helped by all the AOL type adds saying how easy it is.
Another possible fix I like the idea of is to have a 'safe zone' - The WWW is a large and mostly free place, and I for one do not want to see ANY legislation changing that, whether apparently for the better or not. As anyone who lives in a large city nows, you don't go to the bad end of town unless you now how to handle yourself, people will learn to stay in the safe zone. It could work by having a controlling body which hands out domains (here.sfe etc.). Anyone using this site must sign a rigirous contract of use, forbidding any type of exploitation of the vunerable users. Thus, any company exploiting in the domain will be liable through breach of contract, and leaves the rest of the internet free for those of us who now what we are doing. Systems could come with 'IE-safe', which does not allow browsing outside the safe domain, so only someone who knows what they are doing will be able to download full browser and go to the big bad web.
These solutions are far from perfect, and do leave room for exploitation, but I think the're better than the 'I'm safe, I don't care' attitute, and a bit more constructive than 'lets melt the &"%$ in a vat of acid' solution
I think you are missing the point. There is nothing wrong with saying 'I think Windows is Bad because of x, y, z and Linux is good because of a, b and c, therefore I think you should change'. This is not what they did.
I wouldn't have been so bad if verisign had sent a letter saying 'Change from your current provider to us becuase we can offer x better deal' (forgetting the unsolicited mail issue), but instead they attempt to decieve the customer into signing up with them, when they would probably be thinking they are simply renewing the service they have.
It is a sad state when orginisations so blatently falls in with the 'why not if we can get away with it and make a quick buck' attitude. Just becuase you can and you are not breaking any laws does not make it right. In a society you should show respect for the people around you, whether you are in the work place, in business or down the pub, and verisign has shown a complete lack of respect to its competiors, and its potential customers, by pulling this stunt. It just creates an atmosphere of distrust and dirty tricks, which ends up being bad for all involved.
Its always good to see technology being pushed, but I really can't see the need for '1000' times the power for games. There is so much untapped power in the current generation consoles at the minute - compare early playstation games with the most recent, tekken 1 comparred to tekken 3 for example. In a year or so time when developers have much more experience with the hardware, I expect to see the same sort of leap. developers wanted the hardware sped up so much just sounds to me like laziness.
My other concern is how would they achieve the distribute network. The thing I like about my consoles is that I stick in the disk/catridge and play, no pissing around. I hack on my PC, I play on my console, and thats the way I like it. If I have to start into configuraing and debugging (which as it gets more complex is bound to happen) then the whole reasn for the console goes out the window.
nethack is one of the deepest, most complete games out. If you think it should be possible to do, then more likly than not you can do it in nethack.
If your given it a go for the first time, prepare yourself to be disappointed. Be prepared to spend the first ~hour or so dying many times mostly from starvation and YASD (Yet another stupid death. But if you get that through hour or so and last beyond around level 10, you will be hooked for life (not neccassarily a good thing!). I would recommend reading some of the many guides on the net, but avoid the spoilers at least for the first while, it will spoil the satisfaction of discovering things yourself (like #dipping your sword into a poition of poison will make your sword poisoned as a small example).
I have just finished playing nethack and started browsing the web to find something interesting. Looks like I will be going back to playing nethack again!
I've been playing nethack for many years now, and is the ONLY game I keep coming back to. For those that enjoy it, I would recommend slashem - a game based on the nethack code with add'on - though I am sure that there are many purists who will flame that!
I'll just wave godbye to my weekend now!