It's an admirable aim, but... a) it's already being worked on - the project was started, IIRC, by Ed Bailey of Redhat, and b) It's EPOC32, not EPOCH32.:-)
For those Psion S5/5mx/7/Revo/netBook and Ericsson MC218 users who read slashdot, check out epoczone.com (freshmeat-like) and epocnews.com (/.-like).:-)
That's missing the point. I don't consider 25 hours of intensive work on two AA's (which is what I get from my S5) a bad battery life.
What I'm getting at is that all of the Palm *apps* (and also the underlying OS) have a very limited feature set compared to the EPOC equivalents. As I say, investigate a 5mx or a Revo you won't want to go back to your limited Palm - except for the fact that the EPOC devices are too darned big.:-)
Double tap? EIKON (the EPOC UI currently used in PDAs) uses one tap to select; tapping a selected item performs an associated action (eg launching a file). There's no double-tap.:-) But seriously, it does appear that this is the plan; to implement the PalmOS interface on top of EPOC, and perhaps to add a Palm-compatability layer to it as well. Jon.
Is is just me, or does this article not really say that much? What, exactly, are the two parties going to be doing?
I'm *really* not convinced that apps can be made portable between the two - the EPOC SDK is extremely complicated, and although I haven't seen the PalmOS one I wouldn't have thought that they were at all similar. Perhaps the app engines could be made portable, but things like user interfaces would still be a problem.
Unless they use Java, which EPOC supports - does PalmOS?
Correction: Current Nokia Communicators run GEOS, not EPOC. Future models will most probably run EPOC though, as Nokia are part of the Symbian alliance.
The R380 from Ericsson is currently the only *announced* mobile phone that uses EPOC. And it's a seriously sexy piece of kit.:-)
It will be released at the end of the month. That's not too far away, and this certainly can't be considered vapourware.
As for the MicroDrive, the S7 has a CFII slot - although the specs don't specifically say that it won't support the MD, the netBook ones do, and it's basically the same machine. I can't imagine that Psion would remove that functionality.
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Actually, the S7/netBook is aimed at a rather different market than the Libretto.
The netBook is intended for corporate markets where the users require mobile access to corporate data - it even has a JVM. Also, both models use EPOC, which is a far quicker, leaner, more stable and well-designed OS. "Instant on" is a godsend - imagine your PDA taking 60 secs or more to boot!
BTW, it does have a PCMCIA slot, and a type 2 CF slot which supports the IBM Microdrive...
There are 2 reasons that the S7 is being launched in the UK first:
Psion is a British company.
Psion has a much larger market share over here than over there; WinCE doesn't even get a look in.:-)
Actually, it makes a change for a company like this to actually listen to it's customers - they were not originally going to release the S7, but were innundated by requests after announcing the netBook.
Hmmm... all this fuss. No idea what you're all on about though, I've never seen any of the films!
However, I'm prepared to bite the bullet and watch all three - I've found Jedi and Empire in the local Blockbusters (which order should they be in, BTW?), but not the first one - which I would like to see before the others! So, my question is, where in the UK can I buy copies of these films on video?
It really dismays me sometimes how Slashdot has almost completely ignored Symbian's EPOC operating system, developed by Psion and now also part owned by the "big three" - Motorola, Nokia and Ericsson. With these behind it, do you think that CE, or even PalmOS for that matter is going to suceed in the mobile information device arena?
Take a look at Ericsson's R380 to see what a real smartphone should look like!:-)
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It's an admirable aim, but... a) it's already being worked on - the project was started, IIRC, by Ed Bailey of Redhat, and b) It's EPOC32, not EPOCH32. :-)
For those Psion S5/5mx/7/Revo/netBook and Ericsson MC218 users who read slashdot, check out epoczone.com (freshmeat-like) and epocnews.com (/.-like). :-)
Jon.That's missing the point. I don't consider 25 hours of intensive work on two AA's (which is what I get from my S5) a bad battery life.
What I'm getting at is that all of the Palm *apps* (and also the underlying OS) have a very limited feature set compared to the EPOC equivalents. As I say, investigate a 5mx or a Revo you won't want to go back to your limited Palm - except for the fact that the EPOC devices are too darned big. :-)
Double tap? EIKON (the EPOC UI currently used in PDAs) uses one tap to select; tapping a selected item performs an associated action (eg launching a file). There's no double-tap. :-) But seriously, it does appear that this is the plan; to implement the PalmOS interface on top of EPOC, and perhaps to add a Palm-compatability layer to it as well. Jon.
Everyone likes the PalmOS
Do they? IMO PalmOS is far too underpowered. Use EPOC for a while, and you'll see just how much is missing.
Mind you, PalmOS's lack of features has done wonders for it's simplicity, and hence it's accessibility to the non-technical public.
Jon.
http://www.epoczone.com/
Is is just me, or does this article not really say that much? What, exactly, are the two parties going to be doing?
I'm *really* not convinced that apps can be made portable between the two - the EPOC SDK is extremely complicated, and although I haven't seen the PalmOS one I wouldn't have thought that they were at all similar. Perhaps the app engines could be made portable, but things like user interfaces would still be a problem.
Unless they use Java, which EPOC supports - does PalmOS?
Jon
http://www.epoczone.com/
Correction: Current Nokia Communicators run GEOS, not EPOC. Future models will most probably run EPOC though, as Nokia are part of the Symbian alliance.
:-)
The R380 from Ericsson is currently the only *announced* mobile phone that uses EPOC. And it's a seriously sexy piece of kit.
Oops! Should have said "don't specifically say that it does support the MD"...
It will be released at the end of the month. That's not too far away, and this certainly can't be considered vapourware.
As for the MicroDrive, the S7 has a CFII slot - although the specs don't specifically say that it won't support the MD, the netBook ones do, and it's basically the same machine. I can't imagine that Psion would remove that functionality.
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Jon.
Actually, the S7/netBook is aimed at a rather different market than the Libretto.
The netBook is intended for corporate markets where the users require mobile access to corporate data - it even has a JVM. Also, both models use EPOC, which is a far quicker, leaner, more stable and well-designed OS. "Instant on" is a godsend - imagine your PDA taking 60 secs or more to boot!
BTW, it does have a PCMCIA slot, and a type 2 CF slot which supports the IBM Microdrive...
epoczone.com
Actually, it makes a change for a company like this to actually listen to it's customers - they were not originally going to release the S7, but were innundated by requests after announcing the netBook.
epoczone.com for Psion software.
I think it says $5000 per two servers.. how many servers do they have? :-)
Hmmm... all this fuss. No idea what you're all on about though, I've never seen any of the films!
However, I'm prepared to bite the bullet and watch all three - I've found Jedi and Empire in the local Blockbusters (which order should they be in, BTW?), but not the first one - which I would like to see before the others! So, my question is, where in the UK can I buy copies of these films on video?
Linux for CE? Pah.
Linux CL-PS7110!
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So, PalmOS has been licensed to Qualcomm. Wow.
It really dismays me sometimes how Slashdot has almost completely ignored Symbian's EPOC operating system, developed by Psion and now also part owned by the "big three" - Motorola, Nokia and Ericsson. With these behind it, do you think that CE, or even PalmOS for that matter is going to suceed in the mobile information device arena?
Take a look at Ericsson's R380 to see what a real smartphone should look like! :-)