I am all for information about computers but the trend I am seeing is that before you ever get a slight chance to learn anything cool you end up spending 20+ years studying the most dry uninteresting stuff imaginable.
Meaning, that Computer Science is getting enough theory and history behind it where it resembles a real science (or engineering discipline). In the past, it has been more of: "See, here's how you program in C/C++/Java. And this is what a compiler and OS do. And here's 4 other things. Now go practice coding. Soon you'll be a scientist/engineer."
There are many differnt world views and philosophies in the world. Not all of them are compatible with yours.
That's actually exactly what I'm trying to say.
Not everyone sees what you would probably term as "Intellectual Property" as property that can be hoarded (still others would even argue that hoarding physical property is 'stealing' and is a resource that belongs to the masses)
I understand that, too. But I feel that this is a decision every person makes for themselves. And you can try your hardest to show people your way of thinking, and convince them that you're way is the right way to go. But I strongly disagree that you can take what someone else has done, and disregard how -they- feel about -their- work because of how -you- feel about -your- work. That's all I was trying to say.
As for being hopeful that their are few of us who would argue these things...I hope our numbers increase myself.
I hope so too. It's going to come from explanation and example.
You're right. This wouldn't be as much of a problem if the stupid copyright laws didn't let etoys happen the way it did. I guess that's where we fix it.
First, sorry I sounded so pissed at you. I read a bunch of postings that bugged me, and it came across when I replied to yours.
Anyway, their principle occupation is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world... as long as it happens in their loop. Region codes are part of their loop. Yes, I see the loop/yoke analogy.:) But they just don't want to see a new distribution scheme emerge where they don't have any regulation, and hence any money. That's all.
Hi. I know everyone is going to rail me for this, but I come down on their side here.
"The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world." Why then, do you charge different prices in different countries?
Quote the whole paragraph... "The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world," says Valenti, defending the cases. "And in the last several years, we have been intentionally, seriously and energetically concerned with combating theft of our intellectual property."
And the total number of arrests in Hong Kong would be?
Hong Kong is a nightmare to them. There is all kinds of intellectual crime there, of every medium. They're trying to avoid a world of Hong Kong.
Final Question: You can even ask the audience or call a friend. Has anyone ever sucessfully used DeCSS to copy a DVD movie to another PC and then play it back?
I guess that this is the real point. Is that kind of thing really that far away?
"Is it true that when President Kennedy was gunned down, Valenti was six cars behind him." Yes. Now that's an alibi. Oh well, so much for that theory...
That's just inflammatory. But not totally unfunny.:)
I see your point about the injunctions. But that's the way the law works.
What I didn't like about your article is your apparent blanket dislike of the entertainment industry as it exists today.
What do you mean when you say "ole' boys network"? Do you mean the people who generate the product? The people who perform "auxillary" tasks in the organization, like sports owners, or management? I'm just terribly confused by what you mean.
Their whole gig is about getting their due. They work to do a certain thing, they get their due. They shouldn't be forced to give their product away. I mean, most people here at Slashdot like free software, but hopefully few would say "You -must- give away all your code." These companies are choosing not to.
I disagree. The perfect analogy is that you put access ramps in and hang an infinite set of keys to the theater next to the ramp.
They don't care whether we watch them on Linux or not. They care that the only way to get that to happen is to do the exact same thing we would do if our intention was to rip them off. We can tell them that "Oh, we're really not going to rip you off," but that's not much consolation.
It's obvious he was speaking from the context of intellectual property... if you read the second sentence of that paragraph. I love it when people quote a snippet if it achieves their goal.
The full paragraph:
"The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world," says Valenti, defending the cases. "And in the last several years, we have been intentionally, seriously and energetically concerned with combating theft of our intellectual property."
For example, OurBeginning.com, which spent over $3.5 million dollars, saw a spike on their web site today, from 40 connections per second to over 500 connections per second
They should see what happens when they get mentioned on/.:)
Everyone but me seemed to love Alpha Centauri. I thought that it played exactly like Civ 2, just with confusing tech names. Example: Mag Tubes replace railroads, in functionality. Something else replaced the granary. The only thing that really shined was that you actually do get a sense that the different factions have differing philosophies, which makes the endgame more fun. But AC didn't do enough to replace Civ 2 for me.
As a reference, Civ:CTP didn't really do much for me, either, but I found it to be more enjoyable than AC.
Are you confusing this with Steve Jackson Games? They have a good summary of what happened.
I don't think that this story and that are related, though, except that they both involve goverment raids. This is the actual selling of electronics, and that was just an insanely clueless agent busting RPG.
I disagree. I think a lot of us come here for all the reasons you mention... but also to think, like Roblimo suggests. I find the comments incredibly interesting, including the ones that I strongly disagree with. It makes me think hard about what I feel.
But I see what you mean. There should be a new category/icon for something like "ethics", so that readers can steer clear of these issues.
I absolutely agree. How the hell did I get a 10 Karma? I rarely post, and none of my comments have been moderated up. I've been reading for a while, but I've never been really vocal.
Despite that:-), when I get moderation points, I do something that hasn't really been addressed (at least as far as I've seen). I look at the people who have a default score of 2, and make sure they're still talking on topic, and that their message is "worth" 2. In this case, I'm not trying to say that what they said was bad... just offtopic, maybe, and not worth showing up on the "good stuff" radar for a topic, maybe because the person might not necessarily be posting brilliance related to the topic every time, and can go off with someone on an unrelated thread just like anyone else.
I disagree. Do you think that Sega would do anything to give mindshare (even bad press) to Sony's product on their big day? They don't want people thinking Sony today, they want them thinking, "Dreamcast".
Absolutely hilarious subplot, watching the characters go from TraceBuster to TraceBusterBuster to TraceBusterBusterBuster! I can't believe more people haven't caught this on this thread.
>Hackers don't buy computer games, but they get >online anyway, managing to get their hands on >registration access codes.
How is it somehow heroic to steal CDs, movies, and computer games?
I find the idea of the "virtue" of stealing games to be the most ridiculous, since the game programmers are... well, hackers trying to make a living at it. There's nothing virtuous about it; it's an evil side to the culture.
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I am all for information about computers but the trend I am seeing is that before you ever get a slight chance to learn anything cool you end up spending 20+ years studying the most dry uninteresting stuff imaginable.
:)
Meaning, that Computer Science is getting enough theory and history behind it where it resembles a real science (or engineering discipline). In the past, it has been more of: "See, here's how you program in C/C++/Java. And this is what a compiler and OS do. And here's 4 other things. Now go practice coding. Soon you'll be a scientist/engineer."
Besides that, it's all cool.
There are many differnt world views and
philosophies in the world. Not all of them are
compatible with yours.
That's actually exactly what I'm trying to say.
Not everyone sees what you would probably term
as "Intellectual Property" as property that can
be hoarded (still others would even argue that
hoarding physical property is 'stealing' and is
a resource that belongs to the masses)
I understand that, too. But I feel that this is a decision every person makes for themselves. And you can try your hardest to show people your way of thinking, and convince them that you're way is the right way to go. But I strongly disagree that you can take what someone else has done, and disregard how -they- feel about -their- work because of how -you- feel about -your- work. That's all I was trying to say.
As for being hopeful that their are few of us
who would argue these things...I hope our
numbers increase myself.
I hope so too. It's going to come from explanation and example.
Thanks.
You're right. This wouldn't be as much of a problem if the stupid copyright laws didn't let etoys happen the way it did. I guess that's where we fix it.
First, sorry I sounded so pissed at you. I read a bunch of postings that bugged me, and it came across when I replied to yours.
:) But they just don't want to see a new distribution scheme emerge where they don't have any regulation, and hence any money. That's all.
Anyway, their principle occupation is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world... as long as it happens in their loop. Region codes are part of their loop. Yes, I see the loop/yoke analogy.
Hi. I know everyone is going to rail me for this, but I come down on their side here.
:)
"The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world."
Why then, do you charge different prices in different countries?
Quote the whole paragraph... "The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world," says Valenti, defending the cases. "And in the last several years, we have been intentionally, seriously and energetically concerned with combating theft of our intellectual property."
And the total number of arrests in Hong Kong would be?
Hong Kong is a nightmare to them. There is all kinds of intellectual crime there, of every medium. They're trying to avoid a world of Hong Kong.
Final Question: You can even ask the audience or call a friend. Has anyone ever sucessfully used DeCSS to copy a DVD movie to another PC and then play it back?
I guess that this is the real point. Is that kind of thing really that far away?
"Is it true that when President Kennedy was gunned down, Valenti was six cars behind him."
Yes.
Now that's an alibi. Oh well, so much for that theory...
That's just inflammatory. But not totally unfunny.
I see your point about the injunctions. But that's the way the law works.
What I didn't like about your article is your apparent blanket dislike of the entertainment industry as it exists today.
What do you mean when you say "ole' boys network"? Do you mean the people who generate the product? The people who perform "auxillary" tasks in the organization, like sports owners, or management? I'm just terribly confused by what you mean.
Their whole gig is about getting their due. They work to do a certain thing, they get their due. They shouldn't be forced to give their product away. I mean, most people here at Slashdot like free software, but hopefully few would say "You -must- give away all your code." These companies are choosing not to.
Does that make them an "ole' boys network"?
Thanks.
I disagree. The perfect analogy is that you put access ramps in and hang an infinite set of keys to the theater next to the ramp.
They don't care whether we watch them on Linux or not. They care that the only way to get that to happen is to do the exact same thing we would do if our intention was to rip them off. We can tell them that "Oh, we're really not going to rip you off," but that's not much consolation.
Again, the magic "....", breaking bits of one idea and patching them with another.
Read the whole paragraph. He's not saying he wants to give it all away, he wants to find the best regulated distribution channels.
It's obvious he was speaking from the context of intellectual property... if you read the second sentence of that paragraph. I love it when people quote a snippet if it achieves their goal.
The full paragraph:
"The principle occupation [of the MPAA] is to make sure that American movies move freely and unhobbled around the world," says Valenti, defending the cases. "And in the last several years, we have been intentionally, seriously and energetically concerned with combating theft of our intellectual property."
I don't have the answer to the asked question, but I keep hoping that the government is going to look for a meta-solution. My proposed solution:
First, make the USA like every other country. So all US domains will end in USA.
Second, set up a three letter code before the country code, your choice. For example:
amazon.evl.usa
Problem solved, there are now too many (17576) domain names in each country code for one company to try to monopolize or even squat for.
Increase supply an order of magnitude higher than demand.
Just a thought...
They're on the right track... just have the applicant come prepared to program a LEGO Mindstorms robot to take their SAT!
:)
Remember, if you don't hear crummy jokes, you won't like the good ones
For example, OurBeginning.com, which spent over $3.5 million dollars, saw a spike on their web site today, from 40 connections per second to over 500 connections per second
/. :)
They should see what happens when they get mentioned on
Everyone but me seemed to love Alpha Centauri. I thought that it played exactly like Civ 2, just with confusing tech names. Example: Mag Tubes replace railroads, in functionality. Something else replaced the granary. The only thing that really shined was that you actually do get a sense that the different factions have differing philosophies, which makes the endgame more fun. But AC didn't do enough to replace Civ 2 for me.
As a reference, Civ:CTP didn't really do much for me, either, but I found it to be more enjoyable than AC.
Are you confusing this with Steve Jackson Games? They have a good summary of what happened.
I don't think that this story and that are related, though, except that they both involve goverment raids. This is the actual selling of electronics, and that was just an insanely clueless agent busting RPG.
What's nice is the author saying how easy to install the two distros he tried (Red Hat and Corel) were.
:)
Gillian Bonner, a Playmate, wrote this article. Called me biased, but Playmates are as qualified as anyone to be called "she".
Gotta be Itanium.
I disagree. I think a lot of us come here for all the reasons you mention... but also to think, like Roblimo suggests. I find the comments incredibly interesting, including the ones that I strongly disagree with. It makes me think hard about what I feel.
But I see what you mean. There should be a new category/icon for something like "ethics", so that readers can steer clear of these issues.
I've read /. for about a year now, and I've never seen such an intelligent and well-articulated opinion.
Thank you for sharing.
It's tough to believe that a /. reader wouldn't support breaking up the monopoly.
I absolutely agree. How the hell did I get a 10 Karma? I rarely post, and none of my comments have been moderated up. I've been reading for a while, but I've never been really vocal.
:-), when I get moderation points, I do something that hasn't really been addressed (at least as far as I've seen). I look at the people who have a default score of 2, and make sure they're still talking on topic, and that their message is "worth" 2. In this case, I'm not trying to say that what they said was bad... just offtopic, maybe, and not worth showing up on the "good stuff" radar for a topic, maybe because the person might not necessarily be posting brilliance related to the topic every time, and can go off with someone on an unrelated thread just like anyone else.
Despite that
I disagree. Do you think that Sega would do anything to give mindshare (even bad press) to Sony's product on their big day? They don't want people thinking Sony today, they want them thinking, "Dreamcast".
Are you religious? You think the constitution will protect you from the growing anti-religious sentiment in this country?
:)
I think most anti-religious sentiments come from other religions.
Absolutely hilarious subplot, watching the characters go from TraceBuster to TraceBusterBuster to TraceBusterBusterBuster! I can't believe more people haven't caught this on this thread.
>Hackers don't buy computer games, but they get
>online anyway, managing to get their hands on
>registration access codes.
How is it somehow heroic to steal CDs, movies, and computer games?
I find the idea of the "virtue" of stealing games to be the most ridiculous, since the game programmers are... well, hackers trying to make a living at it. There's nothing virtuous about it; it's an evil side to the culture.
Come on, Jon, you can do better than that.