Ummm.. Find someone with an I-pod. Ask them how many songs are from I-tunes. Then ask how many songs songs are on it. If less then 1% is popular, you have a wierd sence of popular.
People have already wizened up to MP3 players. The popular ones don't have proprietary file formats, have a USB mass storage connection and a FM radio. Zune fails on all counts. --
Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at the Crative one. It also has stereo Line In. It has a built in Microphone. It can be used to make MP3's out of your LP and tape library. You are right. The Zune is useless for my applications.
The Creative player is a lot less expensive. It's only downside is it has much less storage space.;-(
This is the most amazing example of an economic boom to bust I've ever seen.
What you have seen is the effect of too many players in a speculative market. Almost nobody pays $3000 for a game console. The rumor of people buying them for $3000 got lots of people excited about easy money and a high mark-up. It's just like the pump and dump stocks. Nothing new here. A few consoles got bought then and sold for $1500 to another investor sucker who thought he could sell it for $3000. Not many paid $1500 to play the console.
A word to the wise, keep out of the specultation market. Very few win at the game.
Seattle is fine with lots of people, traffic jam problems, beautiful countryside, the sound, etc. A short ways East in Redmond might be a diffrent story.
More seriously, Yet another incompatible lower feature format.. Get a clue. Trading very restrictive DRM in another incompatible format for a taste of Wi-Fi is not a selling point.
The only selling point for middle school kids is there is no DRM on photos. They can be transfered wirelessly. This is the hot new way to share porn.
OK, so it seems pretty crazy to junk a blu-ray just to grab the laser
Doesn't HD DVD also use the blue laser? If so, couldn't they save a bundle by not buying a blu-ray drive for $1500.00 and picking up an X-box HD DVD drive for $200.00 instead?
Some examples that come to mind are Adobe Acrobat Reader, Apple Quicktime player, Apple I-tunes, Microsoft Internet Explorer version 3.0 (unbundled from Windows 95 given away free), anything on an AOL CD,.....
Unless there is a power glitch, or any one of a number of other statistically small possibilities
I hope the power glitch was a big one. One of the irregularities noted in the last election in Ohio, some of the voting machines were not charged the night before and had the batteries fail causing a search for paper ballots.
Maybe they used voting machines from another manufacture.
Bumping a disk tumbler lock ? It doesn't have pins.
Bumping it is not nessary. A simple rake and tension spring opens these with ease. I had to open a desk once due to a lost key and I found them fairly easy to pick using traditional methods.
The fun part is that you and the RIAA are dead wrong, and don't know anything about copyright law.
Quite possibly true. In our courts, this what the lawsuits are all about. If you are correct, I hope a judge will agree with you. However, so far this is not the case. Try reading some of the lawsuits so kindly posted online and see if you can help the lawyers in these cases where the RIAA, myself and the judges don't know the law.
And how is the RIAA going to prove that the defendant 'distributed' the song to anyone? Do you want the Court to speculate?
That's the fun part of the lawsuit. You don't have to distribute the song. Simply posting it for distribution outside of the copyright owners control is the infringement.
Even in the GUI, many things are much easier in Linux.
For those who need examples;
OS totaly hosed and I need to burn an ISO CD to create a drivers disk. Does any version of Windows come with a live CD with CD writer support? I had to deal with a new Dell machine where almost all the installed applications were some sort of 30 day trial instead of a useful program. I would rather have Ubuntu where the applications are not 30 day trial software, but are real applications ready to use.
Save me a screen shot of...
Windows, hit Print Screen, Open Paint, Paste, Save as,
I can see the problem with $750 penalty for stealing a 70 cent download... isn't there some ruling that says for companies they can only "gouge" them for damages with a single digit ratio to the actual damages? So to follow that for individuals, that means the largest damages should be... 70 cents times 9... $6.30?
The copyright holders are no arguing the defendant has downloaded a few songs worth about 70 cents a song and are entitled to trebble the damages.
The copyright holders are arguing the defendent has puplished the content where the entire world may download it for free. Unless the defendant has kept detailed records of the number of people who downloaded the song, they get nailed for the maximum for distribution.
The fact the defandant downloaded a few songs is not the issue. It's the making posting them freely to the DL community which was the probelm. This alone may crater the defendants case.
What do Slashdot readers think about the likelihood of another go at breaking up the Windows monopoly?"
Free market forces should work as long as there is not an abuse of monopoly power. If the MS lisence did not prohobit shipping dual boot and other OS machines, then the likes of Wal-Mart and Circuit City may start to expamd their product lines to include Apple and Ubuntu. The high price of the Vista machines will make the e-mail and document crowd consider affordable stable alternatives.
Now if we can get past MS volume lisencing deals that prohibit shipping alternative OS'es. That may require anti-trust action.
Yeah.... all of those websites you visit and all of the data that comes with them is never stored on your hard drive. -- What?
When I'm in paranoid mode and running a live CD, that is exactly the case. I would love to hand him a copy of a screen capture of the offending e-mail displayed in firefox on the Ubuntu Live CD along with a copy of Ubuntu live CD.
So, if I use SuSE now, should I switch? Is Novell now evil-by-contact?
If I put on my worst case hat, MS extends SUSE by using it's lisence for things such as MP3 encoders and patents such as it's WMA and WMV formats and include them in SUSE along with IE and Outlook Express. These additions will not be open source. For those with trouble installing things such as the Lame encoder or other codecs to view online content, this could be a no-brainer install. Expect it to only install alongside Windows. (note the dual OS thing mentioned) After people start using it instead of Ubuntu or Fedora and then they die off, expect Linux features to be included in Windows.
Remember the Netscape/IE thing. This may be just a new chapter. Ours works better out of the box. The other is for geeks only and is hard to configure and get all the plug -in's to get it to work.
After the competition is dead, expect the shell of Suse to be discarded while keeping things such as multiple desktops.
Just my thoughts. The money to Novel rings a lot of alarm bells. Follow the money stupid!
but once you leave here the rate of educated consumers (on this sort of subject) drops to near zero.
You are correct in stating that becasue many younger people have a portable music player and their computer as their only music playback device. For others who have DVD players and stereo systems in the home and car who find DRM limits their playback options, then they find MP3's play everywhere and DRM does not. When many of the kids start to get older and change hardware, they will discover the value of music that can moves with them and DRM that won't.
a billion iTunes tracks says you and I are among the few. Most people don't care,
Quick poll.. How many have an I-Pod that has more than five percent of the music on it from a DRM store. DRM music on an I-Pod is the vast minirity of the music on an I-Pod. I find most people do care. MP3 is much preferred over DRM by most I-Pod users. The ratio of I-Tunes sales to I-Pod sales is less than 10:1. There are not many people I know with only 10 songs on their I-Pod. The vast majority of music on I-Pods is not from the I-Tunes store.
My daughter has an I-Pod, but does not have an I-Tunes account. My son has an RCA Lyra. He does not have a Plays For Sure account. They share music with each other. They are not Slashdot readers, but they already know the problems of Plays For Sure and I-Tunes DRM content. They are not interested. It is a compatiblility issue. MP3 works and DRM does not.
At the end of the day it's academic whether the intent is to prevent "piracy" and it also prevents format-shifting, or whether it's intended to do both from the vary beginning. In most implementations, it does do both.
The biggie most people miss is it prevents sales.
Quick poll. How many have not bought a nice track or album simply because it was DRM encumbered?
You fail to understand that "Plays For Sure" and all the OEM suckers that bought into it were simply a part of MS's larger experiment.
All I care about is "Does it attach as a flashdrive?" and "Does it play MP3's placed in the drive space?"
I prefer a device which uses drag and drop file management and does not require a platform dependant application.
My kid picked up an RCA Lyra player. Unless you want to do DRM, it attaches as a flash drive and plays MP3's. It is a MS Plays for Sure device, but since we use Ubuntu, using the included software was out of the question. The only complaint I have with the device is the lack of playlist management. You toss on a couple dozen albums and it appears all mixed together in one menu.. Other than that, it's a fine MP3 flash player.
Does anyone know if the Zune will play MP3's by dropping them on the device without using a Windows only interface?
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Does it support any non-DRM audio formats?
It's an MP3 player. It also supports the MS Plays for Sure format, but that is a seldom used feature.
Then why is the iTunes store so popular?
Ummm.. Find someone with an I-pod. Ask them how many songs are from I-tunes. Then ask how many songs songs are on it. If less then 1% is popular, you have a wierd sence of popular.
People have already wizened up to MP3 players. The popular ones don't have proprietary file formats, have a USB mass storage connection and a FM radio. Zune fails on all counts.
;-(
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Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at the Crative one. It also has stereo Line In. It has a built in Microphone. It can be used to make MP3's out of your LP and tape library. You are right. The Zune is useless for my applications.
The Creative player is a lot less expensive. It's only downside is it has much less storage space.
This is the most amazing example of an economic boom to bust I've ever seen.
What you have seen is the effect of too many players in a speculative market. Almost nobody pays $3000 for a game console. The rumor of people buying them for $3000 got lots of people excited about easy money and a high mark-up. It's just like the pump and dump stocks. Nothing new here. A few consoles got bought then and sold for $1500 to another investor sucker who thought he could sell it for $3000. Not many paid $1500 to play the console.
A word to the wise, keep out of the specultation market. Very few win at the game.
Hello from Seattle. Hello? Anybody here?
Seattle is fine with lots of people, traffic jam problems, beautiful countryside, the sound, etc. A short ways East in Redmond might be a diffrent story.
More seriously, Yet another incompatible lower feature format.. Get a clue. Trading very restrictive DRM in another incompatible format for a taste of Wi-Fi is not a selling point.
The only selling point for middle school kids is there is no DRM on photos. They can be transfered wirelessly. This is the hot new way to share porn.
Parents and teachers are not ammused.
Clear Channel = Christian Coalition
If that is true, then why are many churches complaining about the moral decay represented on the public airwaves?
The morning Zoo in the Portland OR market (Z100) borders on soft porn in their subject matter. The only thing missing is the pictures.
Who would have guessed chips produced 35 years later, would still inherit the brain-damaged ISA of the 4004
c hitecture
Didn't ISA come out with the IBM using the 8086? The 4004 was more suited to things like a calculator.
I did look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Ar
IBM PC XT ISA = Industry Standard Architecture released in 1981.
The Intel 4004 processor was first fabricated in 1971 a decade before the ISA buss.
http://www.intel4004.com/
Please don't re-write history. Blame IBM for ISA, not Intel.
OK, so it seems pretty crazy to junk a blu-ray just to grab the laser
Doesn't HD DVD also use the blue laser? If so, couldn't they save a bundle by not buying a blu-ray drive for $1500.00 and picking up an X-box HD DVD drive for $200.00 instead?
Some examples that come to mind are Adobe Acrobat Reader, Apple Quicktime player, Apple I-tunes, Microsoft Internet Explorer version 3.0 (unbundled from Windows 95 given away free), anything on an AOL CD,.....
It is not just Free OSS software that is at risk.
Unless there is a power glitch, or any one of a number of other statistically small possibilities
I hope the power glitch was a big one. One of the irregularities noted in the last election in Ohio, some of the voting machines were not charged the night before and had the batteries fail causing a search for paper ballots.
Maybe they used voting machines from another manufacture.
Bumping a disk tumbler lock ? It doesn't have pins.
Bumping it is not nessary. A simple rake and tension spring opens these with ease. I had to open a desk once due to a lost key and I found them fairly easy to pick using traditional methods.
The fun part is that you and the RIAA are dead wrong, and don't know anything about copyright law.
Quite possibly true. In our courts, this what the lawsuits are all about. If you are correct, I hope a judge will agree with you. However, so far this is not the case. Try reading some of the lawsuits so kindly posted online and see if you can help the lawyers in these cases where the RIAA, myself and the judges don't know the law.
Is this a spot the difference challenge?
No. This is the best in class desktop, most used stable webserver/mail server, and enterprise server with support.
And how is the RIAA going to prove that the defendant 'distributed' the song to anyone? Do you want the Court to speculate?
That's the fun part of the lawsuit. You don't have to distribute the song. Simply posting it for distribution outside of the copyright owners control is the infringement.
Even in the GUI, many things are much easier in Linux.
...
For those who need examples;
OS totaly hosed and I need to burn an ISO CD to create a drivers disk. Does any version of Windows come with a live CD with CD writer support? I had to deal with a new Dell machine where almost all the installed applications were some sort of 30 day trial instead of a useful program. I would rather have Ubuntu where the applications are not 30 day trial software, but are real applications ready to use.
Save me a screen shot of
Windows, hit Print Screen, Open Paint, Paste, Save as,
Ubuntu, Open Accessories, Screenshot, Save As
I can see the problem with $750 penalty for stealing a 70 cent download... isn't there some ruling that says for companies they can only "gouge" them for damages with a single digit ratio to the actual damages? So to follow that for individuals, that means the largest damages should be... 70 cents times 9... $6.30?
The copyright holders are no arguing the defendant has downloaded a few songs worth about 70 cents a song and are entitled to trebble the damages.
The copyright holders are arguing the defendent has puplished the content where the entire world may download it for free. Unless the defendant has kept detailed records of the number of people who downloaded the song, they get nailed for the maximum for distribution.
The fact the defandant downloaded a few songs is not the issue. It's the making posting them freely to the DL community which was the probelm. This alone may crater the defendants case.
What do Slashdot readers think about the likelihood of another go at breaking up the Windows monopoly?"
Free market forces should work as long as there is not an abuse of monopoly power. If the MS lisence did not prohobit shipping dual boot and other OS machines, then the likes of Wal-Mart and Circuit City may start to expamd their product lines to include Apple and Ubuntu. The high price of the Vista machines will make the e-mail and document crowd consider affordable stable alternatives.
Now if we can get past MS volume lisencing deals that prohibit shipping alternative OS'es. That may require anti-trust action.
Yeah.... all of those websites you visit and all of the data that comes with them is never stored on your hard drive.
--
What?
When I'm in paranoid mode and running a live CD, that is exactly the case. I would love to hand him a copy of a screen capture of the offending e-mail displayed in firefox on the Ubuntu Live CD along with a copy of Ubuntu live CD.
I'm actively seeking a replacement distro.
Desktop, Server, or Enterprise?
Ubuntu, BSD, or Red Hat.
So, if I use SuSE now, should I switch? Is Novell now evil-by-contact?
If I put on my worst case hat, MS extends SUSE by using it's lisence for things such as MP3 encoders and patents such as it's WMA and WMV formats and include them in SUSE along with IE and Outlook Express. These additions will not be open source. For those with trouble installing things such as the Lame encoder or other codecs to view online content, this could be a no-brainer install. Expect it to only install alongside Windows. (note the dual OS thing mentioned) After people start using it instead of Ubuntu or Fedora and then they die off, expect Linux features to be included in Windows.
Remember the Netscape/IE thing. This may be just a new chapter. Ours works better out of the box. The other is for geeks only and is hard to configure and get all the plug -in's to get it to work.
After the competition is dead, expect the shell of Suse to be discarded while keeping things such as multiple desktops.
Just my thoughts. The money to Novel rings a lot of alarm bells. Follow the money stupid!
but once you leave here the rate of educated consumers (on this sort of subject) drops to near zero.
You are correct in stating that becasue many younger people have a portable music player and their computer as their only music playback device. For others who have DVD players and stereo systems in the home and car who find DRM limits their playback options, then they find MP3's play everywhere and DRM does not. When many of the kids start to get older and change hardware, they will discover the value of music that can moves with them and DRM that won't.
a billion iTunes tracks says you and I are among the few. Most people don't care,
Quick poll.. How many have an I-Pod that has more than five percent of the music on it from a DRM store. DRM music on an I-Pod is the vast minirity of the music on an I-Pod. I find most people do care. MP3 is much preferred over DRM by most I-Pod users. The ratio of I-Tunes sales to I-Pod sales is less than 10:1. There are not many people I know with only 10 songs on their I-Pod. The vast majority of music on I-Pods is not from the I-Tunes store.
My daughter has an I-Pod, but does not have an I-Tunes account. My son has an RCA Lyra. He does not have a Plays For Sure account. They share music with each other. They are not Slashdot readers, but they already know the problems of Plays For Sure and I-Tunes DRM content. They are not interested. It is a compatiblility issue. MP3 works and DRM does not.
This is probably stating the bleeding obvious, but have you tried sticking each album in its own folder and copying the folder to your MP3 player?
Yes. The original layout is a folder for each album. The player ignores any folders and merges them.
At the end of the day it's academic whether the intent is to prevent "piracy" and it also prevents format-shifting, or whether it's intended to do both from the vary beginning. In most implementations, it does do both.
The biggie most people miss is it prevents sales.
Quick poll. How many have not bought a nice track or album simply because it was DRM encumbered?
You fail to understand that "Plays For Sure" and all the OEM suckers that bought into it were simply a part of MS's larger experiment.
All I care about is "Does it attach as a flashdrive?" and "Does it play MP3's placed in the drive space?"
I prefer a device which uses drag and drop file management and does not require a platform dependant application.
My kid picked up an RCA Lyra player. Unless you want to do DRM, it attaches as a flash drive and plays MP3's. It is a MS Plays for Sure device, but since we use Ubuntu, using the included software was out of the question. The only complaint I have with the device is the lack of playlist management. You toss on a couple dozen albums and it appears all mixed together in one menu.. Other than that, it's a fine MP3 flash player.
Does anyone know if the Zune will play MP3's by dropping them on the device without using a Windows only interface?
It's certainly bad when it keeps me from putting my music on all my devices.
Which prevents me from purchasing the content. This is good for business how?
I don't buy content that does not play. End of DRM arguement.