Durability, longevity and quality are not terms one can use with any smartphone vendor.
Speak for Apple. There are plenty of solid Android products that come to mine, Moto is a shining example, solid as a rock. My LG/Nexus 4, with glass both sides, survived an arc through the air onto solid concrete with nothing more than a chipped corner, now 5 years old and still in service.
End of this month is Apple’s quarterly earnings call, which will include the commercial effect of iphone X. Then we will know whether they were succesful or not.
Next quarter is the one. The smart money already called it: X sales 25% below expectation, relying on leading indicators such as Foxcon and supply chain already cut back.
Agree that only an idiot would waste time an effort on embedded hardware with proprietary toolchain, given the virtual certainty that nasties are going to happen to it sooner or later. Just walk away, there are so many alternatives. Select one that isn't so obviously going to screw your business model.
BTW, there is a cottage industry of open source guys that chase down and punish the slimeballs who can't be bothered to uphold the minimal responsibilities they have, in order to benefit from the hard work of devs on free software. Never lose a case. Not to worry about that.
Do you want to use an Intel Atom notebook for 800 bucks? Cause that is what is actually asked.
Ha ha, good point. I swear, I will never be hoodwinked into buying another Atom device again, ever. Most bogus tech product ever, and I fell for it 3 times, shame on me.
The exploit uses way more CPU than the system normally does. It fully loads the system down, in order to get enough state to make predictions. You have to first install the malware to your system, then let your system chew itself at 100%, and not notice, and then go ahead and authenticate using that system while it is obviously malfunctioning.
It is dangerous, but it is highly unlikely for millions of computers to have had authentication secrets exposed. And it is not something you can just hide quietly. It is not anything as dangerous as a USB keylogger, for example.
You're living in an alternate reality where security by obscurity and such like protects your ass. Good thing nobody listens to you!
Real users do not have any clue that it might be something bad when their system fans start running for now reason. After all they run windows right? It's just more of that experience. And getting normal user space code to run on clueless Windows user's systems, of which there are billions, is so easy it's not worth remarking on. Your cluelessness is, however, is worth remarking on.
Likely because NVIDIA hired a bunch of lawyers to work through the issues.
I'd love to see NVidia hire more lawyers. It's the beginning of the end when a company ends up run by lawyers like IBM in the 70's or Microsoft in the 90's, in both cases the inflection pointer where they lost control of their industries.
Which leads me to suspect AMD would very much be happy to take whatever business NVIDIA could lose if the high performance compute crowd rises in anger.
Or just buys the card with higher throughput, which is likely to be the case for AMD when the 12nm vega 64 refresh lands, shortly.
They're leveraging their near-monopoly on GPU-compute and naturally if you have a near monopoly you'll move to exploit that any way you can.
Naturally, assuming that you are immoral and unethical, and willing to skate around the fringes of criminal wrongdoing. Interestingly, AMD is the go to vendor for crypto currency mining, I see that as writing on the wall for Nvidias top 500 game. To tell the truth, Nvidia as a company makes me retch and I would refuse to have anything to do with them even if they had the best hardware, which they do not.
Dude, linux is Free Software, that means you don't have to care what the neckbeards say when you use it.
"You", if you are Intel, or pretty much any supplier to the big cloud industry, do care about what "neckbeards" as you call us (I have no beard) because we write the code that allows your future products to differentiate, otherwise if your kernel support doesn't keep up with your competitors who do play well with the community then they will each your lunch.
...evangelizing it...
We don't evangelize any more because we already won, a fact you seem to be having difficult grasping.
they do not phone up Saint Ignucius to ask if they're doing it right, and they certainly don't check to see if Linus has any relevant rants
You're wrong, they do. They send money with it, and they are nice and polite, it's their job.
If Linus' rants were that influential, linux would have high quality print dialogs by now! Or, by a decade ago!
Hmm, just thinking about that... build two threadripper boxes with 10 gigE and link them with a crossover cable for a highly respectable cluster 32 core that costs less than $3k.
And another publicly known fact is that there are a bunch Russians slimeballs with skin in the game, going so low as to troll-mod community sites like Slashdot. Understand this Ivan: you just provide more evidence every time you do it.
Can you cite the slightest piece of concrete evidence for this lurid fantasy?
Why don't you just go ahead and cite your concrete evidence that Russian slimeballs are not slithering around this site, Igor.
Excellent capsule summary of the issue, by the way. But you still can't blame the engineers... at the time, this kind of timing attack was not a thing. Nobody had a crystal ball, nobody saw it. Maybe you did, and you just forgot to send the memo.
Agree about the power consumption, that is why I am holding out for the 12nm refresh. Then, there are rumors about 32 core threadrippers, that would hold me for quite some time I think. Also, starting to see 10 Gig ethernet on the threadripper motherboards, that is something to lust after.
I'm no fan of Trump, but let's remember that Mueller's investigation is still ongoing.
Even the publicly know facts are damning, just one example: the Trump tower meeting with Russians, including denials already admitted as false, and multiple attempted cover ups. It's hard to imagine any objective observer not already having enough evidence at hand to know that America is currently under the control of a criminal gang of thugs.
And another publicly known fact is that there are a bunch Russians slimeballs with skin in the game, going so low as to troll-mod community sites like Slashdot. Understand this Ivan: you just provide more evidence every time you do it.
perhaps new products are reaching the point of diminishing returns, where it takes more and more effort for a seemingly incremental bit of progress, simply because the bar is already so high and we're already so close to the limits of what existing technologies can provide.
Which is why automotive engineering stopped dead in its tracks ages ago. Oh wait.
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The lack of Bezel and presence of Face ID make it a non starter for many and the price hurts it too. I can scan my fingerprint very easily.
The stereo minijack is missing.
Durability, longevity and quality are not terms one can use with any smartphone vendor.
Speak for Apple. There are plenty of solid Android products that come to mine, Moto is a shining example, solid as a rock. My LG/Nexus 4, with glass both sides, survived an arc through the air onto solid concrete with nothing more than a chipped corner, now 5 years old and still in service.
Please turn off your dumbquotes.
End of this month is Apple’s quarterly earnings call, which will include the commercial effect of iphone X. Then we will know whether they were succesful or not.
Next quarter is the one. The smart money already called it: X sales 25% below expectation, relying on leading indicators such as Foxcon and supply chain already cut back.
Agree that only an idiot would waste time an effort on embedded hardware with proprietary toolchain, given the virtual certainty that nasties are going to happen to it sooner or later. Just walk away, there are so many alternatives. Select one that isn't so obviously going to screw your business model.
BTW, there is a cottage industry of open source guys that chase down and punish the slimeballs who can't be bothered to uphold the minimal responsibilities they have, in order to benefit from the hard work of devs on free software. Never lose a case. Not to worry about that.
You're hoping this exploit won't work because the user will notice the cpu load. Same category as security by obscurity.
You're an idiot. (Needs to be said of anybody who downplays a real threat.)
Some people will gamble that the gaming cards will perform adequately for 24/7 number-crunching, even though they aren't guaranteed to do so.
Nobody in tech can resist the unstoppable force of commoditization. That is the story of the entire tech industry.
Do you want to use an Intel Atom notebook for 800 bucks? Cause that is what is actually asked.
Ha ha, good point. I swear, I will never be hoodwinked into buying another Atom device again, ever. Most bogus tech product ever, and I fell for it 3 times, shame on me.
Can you say, uphill battle against Chromebook? Or, same hardware comes out running CromeOS/Android in 3... 2... 1...
The exploit uses way more CPU than the system normally does. It fully loads the system down, in order to get enough state to make predictions. You have to first install the malware to your system, then let your system chew itself at 100%, and not notice, and then go ahead and authenticate using that system while it is obviously malfunctioning.
It is dangerous, but it is highly unlikely for millions of computers to have had authentication secrets exposed. And it is not something you can just hide quietly. It is not anything as dangerous as a USB keylogger, for example.
You're living in an alternate reality where security by obscurity and such like protects your ass. Good thing nobody listens to you!
Real users do not have any clue that it might be something bad when their system fans start running for now reason. After all they run windows right? It's just more of that experience. And getting normal user space code to run on clueless Windows user's systems, of which there are billions, is so easy it's not worth remarking on. Your cluelessness is, however, is worth remarking on.
Likely because NVIDIA hired a bunch of lawyers to work through the issues.
I'd love to see NVidia hire more lawyers. It's the beginning of the end when a company ends up run by lawyers like IBM in the 70's or Microsoft in the 90's, in both cases the inflection pointer where they lost control of their industries.
WHQL certified drivers are deployed automatically via Windows Update.
Didn't get the memo? Windows has nothing to do with the HPC crowd these days.
Which leads me to suspect AMD would very much be happy to take whatever business NVIDIA could lose if the high performance compute crowd rises in anger.
Or just buys the card with higher throughput, which is likely to be the case for AMD when the 12nm vega 64 refresh lands, shortly.
They're leveraging their near-monopoly on GPU-compute and naturally if you have a near monopoly you'll move to exploit that any way you can.
Naturally, assuming that you are immoral and unethical, and willing to skate around the fringes of criminal wrongdoing. Interestingly, AMD is the go to vendor for crypto currency mining, I see that as writing on the wall for Nvidias top 500 game. To tell the truth, Nvidia as a company makes me retch and I would refuse to have anything to do with them even if they had the best hardware, which they do not.
Dude, linux is Free Software, that means you don't have to care what the neckbeards say when you use it.
"You", if you are Intel, or pretty much any supplier to the big cloud industry, do care about what "neckbeards" as you call us (I have no beard) because we write the code that allows your future products to differentiate, otherwise if your kernel support doesn't keep up with your competitors who do play well with the community then they will each your lunch.
...evangelizing it...
We don't evangelize any more because we already won, a fact you seem to be having difficult grasping.
they do not phone up Saint Ignucius to ask if they're doing it right, and they certainly don't check to see if Linus has any relevant rants
You're wrong, they do. They send money with it, and they are nice and polite, it's their job.
If Linus' rants were that influential, linux would have high quality print dialogs by now! Or, by a decade ago!
Ha ha! Will you be here all night?
Hmm, just thinking about that... build two threadripper boxes with 10 gigE and link them with a crossover cable for a highly respectable cluster 32 core that costs less than $3k.
And another publicly known fact is that there are a bunch Russians slimeballs with skin in the game, going so low as to troll-mod community sites like Slashdot. Understand this Ivan: you just provide more evidence every time you do it.
Can you cite the slightest piece of concrete evidence for this lurid fantasy?
Why don't you just go ahead and cite your concrete evidence that Russian slimeballs are not slithering around this site, Igor.
Excellent capsule summary of the issue, by the way. But you still can't blame the engineers... at the time, this kind of timing attack was not a thing. Nobody had a crystal ball, nobody saw it. Maybe you did, and you just forgot to send the memo.
Agree about the power consumption, that is why I am holding out for the 12nm refresh. Then, there are rumors about 32 core threadrippers, that would hold me for quite some time I think. Also, starting to see 10 Gig ethernet on the threadripper motherboards, that is something to lust after.
I'm no fan of Trump, but let's remember that Mueller's investigation is still ongoing.
Even the publicly know facts are damning, just one example: the Trump tower meeting with Russians, including denials already admitted as false, and multiple attempted cover ups. It's hard to imagine any objective observer not already having enough evidence at hand to know that America is currently under the control of a criminal gang of thugs.
And another publicly known fact is that there are a bunch Russians slimeballs with skin in the game, going so low as to troll-mod community sites like Slashdot. Understand this Ivan: you just provide more evidence every time you do it.
...bullshit social experiment brainwashing groupthink cult stupidly, which is what Rust is...
You are an idiot.
The next releases of the Mac Pro and Mac mini better be damn good because the mini hasn't been really updated since 2012.
Why wait? Intel NUC is moh better.
Apple suppliers fall in Asia following local news report of weak iPhone X demand
perhaps new products are reaching the point of diminishing returns, where it takes more and more effort for a seemingly incremental bit of progress, simply because the bar is already so high and we're already so close to the limits of what existing technologies can provide.
Which is why automotive engineering stopped dead in its tracks ages ago. Oh wait.
Well, Microsoft didn't even add support for directories until version 2 of DOS, so this isn't a new problem.
Thanks for this timely, relevant addition to the thread.
Never mind being wrong. Dos 2 added nested directories, but single level directories were available right from the beginning, because CPM had them.