on Linux anyway, things like authentication and certificates are handled by other apps, some of which may access syscalls of course, but to repeat - as SO many do - that passwords are part of kernel code is nonsense.
You are the one who does not understand. Every bit of memory on your computer goes through the kernel. As witness that far more clueful people than you regard these issues as deadly serious.
what about the designers? What were they thinking? Don't they know about space separation?
You seem less than clear on the details. There is nothing wrong with Intel's privilege separation, however nobody anticipated that timing attacks could be so effective, even the researchers. It came down to luck more than anything: AMD, by luck more than anything, implemented algorithms that avoid the worst of it, but bad luck for Intel. Hard to fault the Intel engineers, but one can certainly fault the managers for a less than forthcoming response.
Or is Intel basically saying 'we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything'?" he asked. "Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more."
Not sure how much Intel really cares about threats from the free Linux community - vs Microsoft, etc...
Out of touch much? Intel now derives a large and expanding portion of its revenue from Linux servers, versus the shrinking Wintel market. Intel cares every much about its image in the Linux community, it is very easy to drive devs away to ARM and AMD. Intel has done a respectable job of keeping that brain drain under control and anything else would just be suicidal.
I'm no fan of Trump, but let's remember that Mueller's investigation is still ongoing.
Even the publicly know facts are damning, just one example: the Trump tower meeting with Russians, including denials already admitted as false, and multiple attempted cover ups. It's hard to imagine any objective observer not already having enough evidence at hand to know that America is currently under the control of a criminal gang of thugs.
It's not a pure monopoly, but it has a lot of monopoly power. Monopoly is not a binary state, as most lay pedants assume.
There is no such legal concept as "pure monopoly". There is only anti-competitive behavior as defined in America by the Sherman, Clayton and FTC acts which includes such concepts as market power. There is endless confusion about this simple fact: a monopolist need not control 100% of a market to violate anti-trust laws. Usually much less than that, less than 50% is not at all uncommon. What matters is breaking the law or not.
Meanwhile, enjoying my Ryzen, largely unaffected by Meltdown or Spectre in spite of some well meaning or self-serving FUD to the the contrary. Yes, I got an early part with the segfault bug, but AMD RMAed without fuss when presented with appropriate https://github.com/suaefar/ryz...>test data to eliminate the possibility of bad motherboard, memory or overclocking. Quite different attitude compared to Intel! And the Ryzen is sweet - 16 high performing CPU threads, tiny power consumption at idle and respectable under full load. Integer performance, iow, compiling is stellar and floating point is not shabby. Basically, Ryzen out-cores Intel's competing i7 parts by a wide margin, acquits itself well in single-core too and draws so little power that the CPU fan is off or barely turning for most normal desktop usage. And when all 16 threads are going full blast, iow doing real work, total system power is around 120 watts, the system still runs nearly silent. Can't say enough good things about it.
If you do step up to Ryzen, be aware of two things: 1) Check the production week stamped on the CPU, it has the form 17xx where xx is the week... make sure this is higher than week 25, otherwise run kill-ryzen.sh to verify the segfault bug and get an RMA promptly from AMD's only support site, if you see it. Windows users need to boot Linux to do this, get a live iso on a usb stick to do this in maximum comfort, and preferably, just overwrite Windows when done:-) Most of that early production is sold out already, so the chance of getting a bad part is slim, but be aware. Windows users for the most part don't seem to see any issue even with the early parts. Good for them, but it goes along with significantly lower performance without the upgrade to LInux:-) 2) Be aware that Ryzen has no on-board GPU, in spite of the fact that your Ryzen motherboard has video connectors... these are for AMD's APUs, which use the same socket. Respectable chips in their own right especially in terms of value for money, but when you run Ryzen you need to run a discrete GPU too. This is what you want anyway, because what is the point of crippling your high end desktop processor with a mickey mouse embedded GPU? To be specific: AMD's fattest APU has eight compute units (512 stream processors) vs 64 in the current Vega part, plus uses processor memory instead of higher bandwidth dedicated graphics memory.
Of course, what I really want is a threadripper... that's next.
BTW, contrary to popular opinion, Google is a pretty crappy place to work. This behavior gives a bit of a hint.
As does the downmod, presumably one of those high minded Googlers.
I do hope you Googlers do realize than 1) downmodding only confirms your arrogance 2) downmodding criticism only leads to more of it and 3) Googlers downmodding confirms that Google is a toxic workplace, as is becoming increasingly apparent. No, of course you don't realize any of these things, you are narcissistic, pretty much the only kind of person who is left at Google now.
It's quite entertaining how, every year, theses articles about how Apple sells so many more phones than everybody else just keep coming out, yet Apple's share of the phone market just keeps shrinking. BTW, looks like stormy weather for Apple in 18Q1. I guess the diehards all shot their wads.
Just for a hoot I thought I would type in "Linux" on Newegg. Wow, more than I expected. Desktops and laptops, but more interestingly, a lot of fanless media PC setups are advertising explicit Linux support. Those massively expensive deep learning boxes are an interesting trend too.
The Linux share of desktop is closing in on Apple's according to multiple indicators. See, Apple doesn't give a rat's fuzzy behind about the desktop any more, they view it as a cost center, not a profit center. No, it doesn't have to make sense, that's just Apple.
Vast majority of people use computers for utterly menial tasks for which they simply do not actually need a computer. Most people are not âcomputing creatorsâ, creators that can appreciate what a full computer offers are a tiny minority.
Your argument supports the assertion that Linux will take a bigger share of the desktop, because Linux users are more likely to need a desktop. Sure, the overall desktop market is declining, that's Microsoft's problem. Linux's share is growing, including in absolute numbers.
Hey, have you noticed how motherboard makers often mention Linux on their sites now? Not at all uncommon to find explicit Linux items in bios configuration now. Hardware vendors with Linux source code posted on their sites, or funding Linux driver developers. My how times have changed!
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How about Apple's new MO: ship slow and still suck.
I don't understand why there is so much animosity from slashdot community towards new languages, especially Rust.
Fear of future mental activity by those who thought that learning was over when they left school.
on Linux anyway, things like authentication and certificates are handled by other apps, some of which may access syscalls of course, but to repeat - as SO many do - that passwords are part of kernel code is nonsense.
You are the one who does not understand. Every bit of memory on your computer goes through the kernel. As witness that far more clueful people than you regard these issues as deadly serious.
Your subject line is idiotic. There is nothing minor about millions of computers having authentication secrets exposed.
They probably do think that.
No they don't, they have plenty of competent kernel engineers on staff. Some PHB thinks that.
what about the designers? What were they thinking? Don't they know about space separation?
You seem less than clear on the details. There is nothing wrong with Intel's privilege separation, however nobody anticipated that timing attacks could be so effective, even the researchers. It came down to luck more than anything: AMD, by luck more than anything, implemented algorithms that avoid the worst of it, but bad luck for Intel. Hard to fault the Intel engineers, but one can certainly fault the managers for a less than forthcoming response.
Or is Intel basically saying 'we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything'?" he asked. "Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more."
Not sure how much Intel really cares about threats from the free Linux community - vs Microsoft, etc...
Out of touch much? Intel now derives a large and expanding portion of its revenue from Linux servers, versus the shrinking Wintel market. Intel cares every much about its image in the Linux community, it is very easy to drive devs away to ARM and AMD. Intel has done a respectable job of keeping that brain drain under control and anything else would just be suicidal.
This is not about Republicans versus Democrats, it is now about saving democracy.
I'm no fan of Trump, but let's remember that Mueller's investigation is still ongoing.
Even the publicly know facts are damning, just one example: the Trump tower meeting with Russians, including denials already admitted as false, and multiple attempted cover ups. It's hard to imagine any objective observer not already having enough evidence at hand to know that America is currently under the control of a criminal gang of thugs.
Just bring back the Alpha chip. Whoops! Intel owns it.
Not so, it came back as Ryzen.
Actually, 83% is often used as a cutoff in both the US and Canada, derived from (US) judge Learned Hand's opinion...
Hand's opinion is certainly not the last word on the subject. From the horse's mouth: "Somebody has 40 percent of the market but everybody else has one percent each."); id. at 52 (Sidak) ("Would we infer that there is not a problem because the market share is only 40 percent and that is way below Judge Hand's ALCOA threshold or would we look at a price increase or loss of competitor market share and say that is a more direct set of facts that elucidates what the price elasticity of demand is?"
It's not a pure monopoly, but it has a lot of monopoly power. Monopoly is not a binary state, as most lay pedants assume.
There is no such legal concept as "pure monopoly". There is only anti-competitive behavior as defined in America by the Sherman, Clayton and FTC acts which includes such concepts as market power. There is endless confusion about this simple fact: a monopolist need not control 100% of a market to violate anti-trust laws. Usually much less than that, less than 50% is not at all uncommon. What matters is breaking the law or not.
Meanwhile, enjoying my Ryzen, largely unaffected by Meltdown or Spectre in spite of some well meaning or self-serving FUD to the the contrary. Yes, I got an early part with the segfault bug, but AMD RMAed without fuss when presented with appropriate https://github.com/suaefar/ryz...>test data to eliminate the possibility of bad motherboard, memory or overclocking. Quite different attitude compared to Intel! And the Ryzen is sweet - 16 high performing CPU threads, tiny power consumption at idle and respectable under full load. Integer performance, iow, compiling is stellar and floating point is not shabby. Basically, Ryzen out-cores Intel's competing i7 parts by a wide margin, acquits itself well in single-core too and draws so little power that the CPU fan is off or barely turning for most normal desktop usage. And when all 16 threads are going full blast, iow doing real work, total system power is around 120 watts, the system still runs nearly silent. Can't say enough good things about it.
If you do step up to Ryzen, be aware of two things: 1) Check the production week stamped on the CPU, it has the form 17xx where xx is the week... make sure this is higher than week 25, otherwise run kill-ryzen.sh to verify the segfault bug and get an RMA promptly from AMD's only support site, if you see it. Windows users need to boot Linux to do this, get a live iso on a usb stick to do this in maximum comfort, and preferably, just overwrite Windows when done :-) Most of that early production is sold out already, so the chance of getting a bad part is slim, but be aware. Windows users for the most part don't seem to see any issue even with the early parts. Good for them, but it goes along with significantly lower performance without the upgrade to LInux :-) 2) Be aware that Ryzen has no on-board GPU, in spite of the fact that your Ryzen motherboard has video connectors... these are for AMD's APUs, which use the same socket. Respectable chips in their own right especially in terms of value for money, but when you run Ryzen you need to run a discrete GPU too. This is what you want anyway, because what is the point of crippling your high end desktop processor with a mickey mouse embedded GPU? To be specific: AMD's fattest APU has eight compute units (512 stream processors) vs 64 in the current Vega part, plus uses processor memory instead of higher bandwidth dedicated graphics memory.
Of course, what I really want is a threadripper... that's next.
BTW, contrary to popular opinion, Google is a pretty crappy place to work. This behavior gives a bit of a hint.
As does the downmod, presumably one of those high minded Googlers.
I do hope you Googlers do realize than 1) downmodding only confirms your arrogance 2) downmodding criticism only leads to more of it and 3) Googlers downmodding confirms that Google is a toxic workplace, as is becoming increasingly apparent. No, of course you don't realize any of these things, you are narcissistic, pretty much the only kind of person who is left at Google now.
"I never paid for it in my life" :)
BTW, contrary to popular opinion, Google is a pretty crappy place to work.
That's contrary to popular opinion? I thought it was well-known that Google is a terrible place to work.
It's better than a coal mine but there is a reason that few talented devs stay on after vesting.
Maybe it's your friends.
BTW, contrary to popular opinion, Google is a pretty crappy place to work. This behavior gives a bit of a hint.
As does the downmod, presumably one of those high minded Googlers.
BTW, contrary to popular opinion, Google is a pretty crappy place to work. This behavior gives a bit of a hint.
It's quite entertaining how, every year, theses articles about how Apple sells so many more phones than everybody else just keep coming out, yet Apple's share of the phone market just keeps shrinking. BTW, looks like stormy weather for Apple in 18Q1. I guess the diehards all shot their wads.
Bozo the clown thinks the Post Office can save itself by pricing itself out of the market. Way to grab that logical pussy.
a $1000.00 phone?
Particularly a me-too one with no differentiating features. And no headphone jack, maybe that comes with the $2000 model.
Just for a hoot I thought I would type in "Linux" on Newegg. Wow, more than I expected. Desktops and laptops, but more interestingly, a lot of fanless media PC setups are advertising explicit Linux support. Those massively expensive deep learning boxes are an interesting trend too.
The Linux share of desktop is closing in on Apple's according to multiple indicators. See, Apple doesn't give a rat's fuzzy behind about the desktop any more, they view it as a cost center, not a profit center. No, it doesn't have to make sense, that's just Apple.
Vast majority of people use computers for utterly menial tasks for which they simply do not actually need a computer. Most people are not âcomputing creatorsâ, creators that can appreciate what a full computer offers are a tiny minority.
Your argument supports the assertion that Linux will take a bigger share of the desktop, because Linux users are more likely to need a desktop. Sure, the overall desktop market is declining, that's Microsoft's problem. Linux's share is growing, including in absolute numbers.
Hey, have you noticed how motherboard makers often mention Linux on their sites now? Not at all uncommon to find explicit Linux items in bios configuration now. Hardware vendors with Linux source code posted on their sites, or funding Linux driver developers. My how times have changed!