So why is it that bitcoin miners universally voted Vega the most profitable mining GPU? Maybe because they have actual money riding on the results, as opposed to GPU review sites, which reportedly get considerable pressure from Nvidia to pick and choose benchmarks and engage in even slimier manipulation?
AMD lagging is an Nvidia-created myth. AMD not owning the high space, that's true. But AMD not delivering the best performance/value equation, that's Nvidia's FUD.
Board partners have much less manufacturing lead time than chip vendors, so they don't keep much inventory. NVidia is carrying the inventory, you can see it on their balance sheet (one of the reasons NVidia stock crashed so hard.) NVidia is screwing you and noone else.
You can get an RX 580 right now under $200, more or less the same power as 1060 depending on whether you believe NVidia's paid-for benchmarks or not. Pretty much the best value spot in the midrange GPU market at the moment.
Correct, NVidia has been systematically jacking their margins. See what AMD announces Wednesday morning, and if there is no joy there than wait for 7nm Navi.
GPU companies and their board partners are extremely unwilling to drop prices from crypto boom days, so they barely came down to starting prices back three years ago.
Not true. GPU cards are now below release MSR. But NVidia's new cards have jacked up prices, including this one.
It's also that they just can't do high power chips with the original 100 mtr/mm2 10nm. Not even uneconomically. They have to rework all their cells to lower the density.
It's a low power chip and relatively small to work around yield issues that Intel apparently still has with 10nm. It would seem that high power chips for desktops and servers just don't work at the 100 megatransistor per square mm density that Intel originally targeted and they will need to dial that back 20-40% to make serious chips.
AMD might introduce a future APU with HBM2 onboard a multi-chip module. This will basically be a GPU card in the CPU. Limiting factors are HBM2 price ramp and thermal envelope. I guess it's probably going to happen, maybe by this time next year.
No, AMD cpus never cost more. And by Steamroller the value equation was firmly back on AMD's side. Zen was a sea change, leaving Intel far behind in value, and Zen 2 will add insult to injury by also grabbing the single core performance crown.
Intel's biggest innovation recently was to get fully behind Linux. That has really helped them build sales in the data center, their main saving grace.
Actually, divesting the fabs was more important to AMD's survival than acquiring ATI. Arguably, the ATI investment could have been better employed in internal R&D. In an alternate universe, AMD still owns the console market, but with Nvidia GPU cores. Anyway, I like that AMD has ATI, but I am not sure it was the optimal path in retrospect.
And incidentally, looking forward to 7nm Navi later this year. Also wondering how AMD will answer the raytracing challenge.
No, the 3000 series APUs are Zen+, the second generation, same as Ryzen 2700 etc. Zen 2, the 3000 series non-APUs are third generation Zen. I know, it's confusing. Just remember, the new APUs are 12nm, with modest IPC and clock speed improvements vs first generation Zen.
Meltdown is Intel-only, it is because of Intel allows speculative execution involving addresses that are supposed to be unreadable. Spectre is helped by hyperthreading but still works even without hyperthreading.
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A 7nm GPU can also fit in that space
Yes, AMD is lagging behind
So why is it that bitcoin miners universally voted Vega the most profitable mining GPU? Maybe because they have actual money riding on the results, as opposed to GPU review sites, which reportedly get considerable pressure from Nvidia to pick and choose benchmarks and engage in even slimier manipulation?
AMD lagging is an Nvidia-created myth. AMD not owning the high space, that's true. But AMD not delivering the best performance/value equation, that's Nvidia's FUD.
Board partners have much less manufacturing lead time than chip vendors, so they don't keep much inventory. NVidia is carrying the inventory, you can see it on their balance sheet (one of the reasons NVidia stock crashed so hard.) NVidia is screwing you and noone else.
Dell has shipped desktop replacement laptops before that thermal throttle down to the performance of a much more modest processor. I have one.
Oh, you're talking NVidia. Yes, NVidia loves to screw you, but if that's your pick then it's your bed, don't complain about lying in it.
I'll be happy when I can get a 1060 6gb for $200
You can get an RX 580 right now under $200, more or less the same power as 1060 depending on whether you believe NVidia's paid-for benchmarks or not. Pretty much the best value spot in the midrange GPU market at the moment.
Correct, NVidia has been systematically jacking their margins. See what AMD announces Wednesday morning, and if there is no joy there than wait for 7nm Navi.
GPU companies and their board partners are extremely unwilling to drop prices from crypto boom days, so they barely came down to starting prices back three years ago.
Not true. GPU cards are now below release MSR. But NVidia's new cards have jacked up prices, including this one.
HBM adoption is slow in consumer GPUs because they are more expensive to fabricate than expected.
It's also that they just can't do high power chips with the original 100 mtr/mm2 10nm. Not even uneconomically. They have to rework all their cells to lower the density.
It's a low power chip and relatively small to work around yield issues that Intel apparently still has with 10nm. It would seem that high power chips for desktops and servers just don't work at the 100 megatransistor per square mm density that Intel originally targeted and they will need to dial that back 20-40% to make serious chips.
IOW, the shitshow continues.
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Navi/Zen2 APUs coming out later this year will be just about the ideal SFF processor, hang in there.
I don't think ARM is quite there yet. No SMT for one thing.
Intel makes profits by building silicon more cheaply than others who have to buy it from a foundry
That used to be true until TSMC and Samsung outgrew them and outsmarted them.
I doubt that Apple is all that loyal. Let's see what happens when AMD closes up the single core performance gap.
AMD might introduce a future APU with HBM2 onboard a multi-chip module. This will basically be a GPU card in the CPU. Limiting factors are HBM2 price ramp and thermal envelope. I guess it's probably going to happen, maybe by this time next year.
No, AMD cpus never cost more. And by Steamroller the value equation was firmly back on AMD's side. Zen was a sea change, leaving Intel far behind in value, and Zen 2 will add insult to injury by also grabbing the single core performance crown.
I would hope there's now a "Zen Inside" label on it.
Intel's biggest innovation recently was to get fully behind Linux. That has really helped them build sales in the data center, their main saving grace.
Actually, divesting the fabs was more important to AMD's survival than acquiring ATI. Arguably, the ATI investment could have been better employed in internal R&D. In an alternate universe, AMD still owns the console market, but with Nvidia GPU cores. Anyway, I like that AMD has ATI, but I am not sure it was the optimal path in retrospect.
And incidentally, looking forward to 7nm Navi later this year. Also wondering how AMD will answer the raytracing challenge.
This competition would be even better for everyone if Intel didn't keep cheating.
No, the 3000 series APUs are Zen+, the second generation, same as Ryzen 2700 etc. Zen 2, the 3000 series non-APUs are third generation Zen. I know, it's confusing. Just remember, the new APUs are 12nm, with modest IPC and clock speed improvements vs first generation Zen.
Meltdown is Intel-only, it is because of Intel allows speculative execution involving addresses that are supposed to be unreadable. Spectre is helped by hyperthreading but still works even without hyperthreading.
If you're a heavy metal fan you probably can't hear much of anything anyway, so no worries.
Whoops, a heavy metal fan had mod points.