Translation: I can't put an SD card in my iPhone but I know Apple is perfection incarnate so I will convince myself that it does not really harm me. Much. At all. For now.
Back around 2000 when Microsoft had something like $100 billion in the bank I said that with that kind of money, they could afford to make no income and still pay their 40,000 or so employees at the time for the next 13 years.
A basic fact of business is that when a company has no income but does have assets, the time has arrived to liquidate those assets and distribute the proceeds to shareholders. A minor variation of that reaches the same conclusion in the face of low, as opposed to zero, profitability.
ChromeOS windows do everything Redmond windows do.
They do not look like windows, they look like browser tabs. Because they are. Until they look like _Windows_ windows and include all the same functionality, many potential adopters will be needlessly alienated.
Since computing is moving to tablets and phones, can we get OS refunds for iDevices and Android tablets and phones also ?
Also, is this applicable to Macs?
Of course you can. Apple and Google sell their respective operating systems for... wait for it... zero dollars and zero cents per copy. You are entitled to a full refund.
...most of the First World countries are going to immediately join forces to invade and permanently occupy Russia....
What would be the point in doing that instead of just using economic power to drive Russia back into the economic stone age like North Korea? Sure, Russia has petrobucks but its fragile economy is only a little larger than Canada's. A strict economic embargo would destroy it.
Actually I have a background in writing low level kernels, in porting c runtime environments to these custom environments. I know about memory management from the hardware up.
Then how could you possibly have confused operating system level memory management with garbage collecting? I am not sure that I would want you working on the Linux kernel, certainly not on the core.
What I don't have is an overly narrow concept of operating systems, a viewpoint stuck on some quiz once taken in an operating system class that expected a student to regurgitate a 1970s list of OS components.
The term "operating system" was recently coopted by marketdroids and PHBs who have not got the faintest clue of what a timer wheel is, to mean something convenient for Apple and Google's respective business plans. Please go get any operating system text, including a recent one, and you will find that the classic meaning of "operating system" is still the only one taught in the schools that produce our kernel engineers.
Android is no less of an OS for delegating some low level operations to the host linux kernel than a microkernel based OS that delegates some low level functions to its microkernel.
You seem not to grasp the scale, power or subtlty of "some low level operations" that Android relies on the operating system for.
Debian no longer an OS when it delegates low level functions to HURD?
Debian is referred to by Debian developers as a "distribution". That is exactly what Android is, nothing more and nothing less.
Your definition of an OS is quite narrow, overly so.
manage memory
Check. Android's Java runtime environment does this for applications.
It is a safe bet that you have never had anything to do with operating system design or implementation. Apparently, you do not understand even elementary principles of operating system memory management. So... according to you, how does Java manage the process page tables?
It is people like you who make the world save for marketdroids.
Android is not based on Linux. Android is **hosted** on Linux, it is really its own operating system.
Complete nonsense. Android is an "operating system" only in market speak. In fact, Android is an application platform, not an operating system. If you doubt me then you need to get an operating system textbook and read for yourself what an operating system actually does. Hint: manage hardware at a low level, presenting a uniform interface for applications; manage memory; schedule execution; enforce security constraints; etc. All of this done by Linux, and not the Android libraries, and much more besides.
Linus is blaming somebody else for Linux not taking the desktop, this is not to say he's not right, it's just amusing that he would blame others and tells me he's not interested in helping with the solution.
Good thing too. Linus is arguable one of the worst user interface designers on the planet.
Well, Gnome always was a piece of crap in terms of internal structure and finally that project is imploding. About time. KDE/QT always was the technically superior approach and with Gnome fading it does look like we are heading in the right direction. Of course, we a monoculture would be horribly counterproductive for long term evolution, but there is obviously no danger of that.
Offer real, tangible, innovation that is disruptive to the market and the ISVs and OEMs will be climbing over eachother to support it just as they did with Android.
I like my Linux desktop the way it is, thankyou, and I do not want it "innovated". We will crush Microsoft some other way.
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I don't need to put an SD card in my iPhone...
Translation: I can't put an SD card in my iPhone but I know Apple is perfection incarnate so I will convince myself that it does not really harm me. Much. At all. For now.
The only sensible conclusion to be drawn from this is that almost no one strays more that a half step away from the system defaults.
By what magic did you reach that conclusion?
I want my resizeable maximized windows back!
Since when is a workstation user not an end user?
Describing gconf as "convenient" is a wild exaggeration.
Back around 2000 when Microsoft had something like $100 billion in the bank I said that with that kind of money, they could afford to make no income and still pay their 40,000 or so employees at the time for the next 13 years.
A basic fact of business is that when a company has no income but does have assets, the time has arrived to liquidate those assets and distribute the proceeds to shareholders. A minor variation of that reaches the same conclusion in the face of low, as opposed to zero, profitability.
I don't think it's quite there yet, to be honest.
It would sure be nice if this thread didn't devolve into an Android/Apple pissing contest.
So true, why waste time on that when walled garden vs open is so much more interesting.
mod up.
ChromeOS windows do everything Redmond windows do.
They do not look like windows, they look like browser tabs. Because they are. Until they look like _Windows_ windows and include all the same functionality, many potential adopters will be needlessly alienated.
It is clearly an illegal product tie, but somehow they are allowed to do it.
Corruption?
Since computing is moving to tablets and phones, can we get OS refunds for iDevices and Android tablets and phones also ?
Also, is this applicable to Macs?
Of course you can. Apple and Google sell their respective operating systems for... wait for it... zero dollars and zero cents per copy. You are entitled to a full refund.
That makes my little Chromebox that much more awesome. Redmond be very afraid.
Remond has no reason to be afraid until it gets movable, resizeable windows.
A replay of the cold war would end with Russia further fracturing into its component states, many of which already exhibit separtist tendencies
...most of the First World countries are going to immediately join forces to invade and permanently occupy Russia....
What would be the point in doing that instead of just using economic power to drive Russia back into the economic stone age like North Korea? Sure, Russia has petrobucks but its fragile economy is only a little larger than Canada's. A strict economic embargo would destroy it.
...there are plenty of rumors about regular Russian forces fighting in Ukraine.
Got anything better than rumors?
Ten Russian paratroopers captured inside Ukraine a week ago have returned home following a troop exchange
Apple doesn't follow standards.
Bluetooth, USB, GSM/CDMA? Apple follows standards just fine when they need to.
USB with a dongle. To call that "following a standard" would seem a trifle on the generous side.
Idiot.
Actually I have a background in writing low level kernels, in porting c runtime environments to these custom environments. I know about memory management from the hardware up.
Then how could you possibly have confused operating system level memory management with garbage collecting? I am not sure that I would want you working on the Linux kernel, certainly not on the core.
What I don't have is an overly narrow concept of operating systems, a viewpoint stuck on some quiz once taken in an operating system class that expected a student to regurgitate a 1970s list of OS components.
The term "operating system" was recently coopted by marketdroids and PHBs who have not got the faintest clue of what a timer wheel is, to mean something convenient for Apple and Google's respective business plans. Please go get any operating system text, including a recent one, and you will find that the classic meaning of "operating system" is still the only one taught in the schools that produce our kernel engineers.
Android is no less of an OS for delegating some low level operations to the host linux kernel than a microkernel based OS that delegates some low level functions to its microkernel.
You seem not to grasp the scale, power or subtlty of "some low level operations" that Android relies on the operating system for.
Debian no longer an OS when it delegates low level functions to HURD?
Debian is referred to by Debian developers as a "distribution". That is exactly what Android is, nothing more and nothing less.
Your definition of an OS is quite narrow, overly so.
manage memory
Check. Android's Java runtime environment does this for applications.
It is a safe bet that you have never had anything to do with operating system design or implementation. Apparently, you do not understand even elementary principles of operating system memory management. So... according to you, how does Java manage the process page tables?
It is people like you who make the world save for marketdroids.
Android is not based on Linux. Android is **hosted** on Linux, it is really its own operating system.
Complete nonsense. Android is an "operating system" only in market speak. In fact, Android is an application platform, not an operating system. If you doubt me then you need to get an operating system textbook and read for yourself what an operating system actually does. Hint: manage hardware at a low level, presenting a uniform interface for applications; manage memory; schedule execution; enforce security constraints; etc. All of this done by Linux, and not the Android libraries, and much more besides.
Linus is blaming somebody else for Linux not taking the desktop, this is not to say he's not right, it's just amusing that he would blame others and tells me he's not interested in helping with the solution.
Good thing too. Linus is arguable one of the worst user interface designers on the planet.
...Linus has never been overly concerned with market share...
Other than being bent on world domination?
Well, Gnome always was a piece of crap in terms of internal structure and finally that project is imploding. About time. KDE/QT always was the technically superior approach and with Gnome fading it does look like we are heading in the right direction. Of course, we a monoculture would be horribly counterproductive for long term evolution, but there is obviously no danger of that.
Offer real, tangible, innovation that is disruptive to the market and the ISVs and OEMs will be climbing over eachother to support it just as they did with Android.
I like my Linux desktop the way it is, thankyou, and I do not want it "innovated". We will crush Microsoft some other way.