25% market share is where everyone who counts will start taking Firefox seriously, I think a time will come in the near future when that will happen.
The total of Non-Microsoft browsers is already over 25%.. Mozilla - Firefox - grabbed away 1.1 points from Microsoft last month, and that was before the official release. Next month's numbers will be fun.
We've already got our network effect. Improvements in Firefox are accelerating if anything. The plugin scene is exploding. Everybody is already taking Firefox seriously, it only gets better from here.
*posting from a Windows XP computer that has never had a virus, from a Windows 2k / XP network that has never had a virus in the approximately eight years it's been running*
And why is anybody supposed to believe you, when Windows 2K hasn't been out anywhere near that long, let alone XP?
What's the compelling reason to switch to Linux? No viruses? If they can't operate Windows well enough to not get a virus, they can't manage the little foibles inherent in Linux.
Nobody can operate Windows well enough to not get a virus. Not if it's connected to the internet.
Linux zealots are going to run in defense of the [Linux] kernel.
Never let facts get in the way of a good rant: To exploit any of these vulnerabilities an attacker needs control
over the answers of the connected smb server. This could be achieved
by man in the middle attacks or by taking over the smb server with
f.e. the recently disclosed vulnerability in Samba 3.x
While any of these vulnerabilities can be easily used as remote
denial of service exploits against Linux systems, it is unclear if
it is possible for a skilled local or remote attacker to use any of
the possible bufferoverflows for arbitrary code execution in kernel
space.
the only things my peers know about Linux is that it's free and it's a Unix clone. Frankly, they would be pissed if I gave them a CD with a free operating system on it and tried to pass that off as a gift.
Oh, because they've already got it? Yeah, right. We are talking stocking stuffer here, it's a great stocking stuffer.
The people that say that this smacks of conversion and fanaticalism are correct.
See, given your comments below, that's why you need the CD.
What about a seriously generic Linux distro where a newbie like myself could put it in his CD drive, it would boot into some sort of DOS like equivelant where it would ask some simple questions about partioning and formatting the drive, then 20 minutes later it would finish the install and boot me up to a GUI desktop with video drivers installed (well generic ones at least), sound drivers installed and firefox installed.
I've got news for you, the CD's we are talking about here go way beyond that. It's basically just put it in your CD drive and 1 minute later it's up and running a full GUI with your browser connected to the internet and solitaire ready to play. Not to mention having a _full_ office suit ready to use.
Still think it's not something you want to find in your XMas stocking?
...it's that people hate to be converted and they hate to be preached to. If your friends aren't looking to change their OS then just forget your little crusade because all you're going to do is piss people off.
That's wrong, which I know from first-hand experience. Giving a CD you can just pop in and boot is far from preaching, on the contrary, it lets people satisfy their curiosity.
I would think twice before doing. Seriously, how many people, whether family or friends, wouldn't think of you as a fanatic or total nerd if you went around giving Linux as a christmas gift.
I have done it, I am a nerd, and the gift was greatfully received, not to mention put to good use.
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The linked page is apparently slashdotted, but the goddam popup ads still manage to load. Sometimes the internet really stinks
It looks deliberate to me: "Linux could be about to fork. In a worrying parallel to the issue that stopped Unix becoming a mass-market product in the 1980s - leaving the field clear for Microsoft" Straight regurgitation of a Microsoft "how to FUD linux" talking point. Never mind that the Linux kernel has always forked every major cycle, and that this only affects internal kernel interfaces, not application interfaces.
I have felt this pain too my friend. Because of glibc incompatibility problems within redhat for instance, if you compile a binary on a redhat 9.0 system it will not run on a redhat 8.0 system.
The problem wasn't glibc, it was the C++ ABI, it only stabilized in gcc 3.2 (RH 9). It was hoped the ABI would stabilize a little earlier, in gcc 3.0, but for various reasons (bugs) it was not to be, and it took a few months longer to settle. Now the ABI is stable and further inconpatible changes are not expected. Plain old C programs were not affected by ABI changes and have steamed along happily through all of this, the same for anything statically linked.
I'm pretty sure Ballmer was bluffing. Talk is cheap, so I think Microsoft will just quietly fold rather than risk another monopoly fine in China or Japan. If they were serious about it, they'd go after IBM.
Get flattened by IBM you mean. It's a practical certainty that IBM has enough patents in its war chest to put Microsoft right out of business, should Microsoft be stupid enough to fire the first shot.
Ironically, our best hope of defeating Microsoft in the patent arena is IBM, and to a lesser extent, Novell.
I don't doubt that IBM can take Windows right off the market just by patent enforcement, if sufficiently provoked. This is rapidly approaching sufficient provocation.
The current system is already based on MS products, and to try to replace that with Linux all at once would cost more than the half a billion pounds that the new Microsoft license costs.
Half a billion pounds - close to a billion dollars - that's a lot of money. That buys a lot of custom code. And you're sure about this, are you?
Of course you've got the numbers at hand to back it up, or you wouldn't have stated it so positively, would you.
Another legit worry is what will happen to Linux. Windows has a very big, very stable company backing it up. There's not really a question that it will continue to be developed and supported in the forseeable future. Linux is developed by a group of peopel working on it because they want to. What happens if they decide to stop, and no one steps up to take their place? Yes I realise that's extremely unlikely, but it's a legit concern for companies.
Linux has a lot better continuity record than Microsoft does. It's the rule, not the exception, that code written to run on Linux ten years ago still runs flawlessly on Linux today. That is simply not the case with Microsoft.
So what happens to you when Microsoft drops the version of Windows you are tied to?
would have cost upwards of 800 million pounds. The NHS negotiated that price downwards to 500 million pounds... I'd say that it's a pretty serious discount with some nice benefits.
Dear anonymous coward,
Software costs essentially nothing to produce. A 35% percent discount on a huge volume deal is not sharp negotiating, it is getting taken to the cleaners.
News reports from a year ago value the deal at "several hundred million pounds" over 10 years, now we hear it's 500 million which is claimed to be a deep discount. How fishy is that?
would you rather they got the deeply discounted deal they got here with almost double the number of licenses and the health care software system keeps running and in turn the health care system keeps running
How do you know the deal was deeply discounted? From what? What did the previous 9 years cost? Are you going to believe the Microsoft-approved press release about the so-called discount?
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he's got a kid
Three kids.
He doesn't set trends. He doesn't guide where the industry is going.
Nonsense. He changed the whole software industry, forever.
All I'm stating is that the original poster is overstating the facts in such a way as to diminish their argument.
All I'm stating is that you're lying through your teeth. Eight year old XP network that started with Windows 98, indeed.
25% market share is where everyone who counts will start taking Firefox seriously, I think a time will come in the near future when that will happen.
The total of Non-Microsoft browsers is already over 25%.. Mozilla - Firefox - grabbed away 1.1 points from Microsoft last month, and that was before the official release. Next month's numbers will be fun.
We've already got our network effect. Improvements in Firefox are accelerating if anything. The plugin scene is exploding. Everybody is already taking Firefox seriously, it only gets better from here.
*posting from a Windows XP computer that has never had a virus, from a Windows 2k / XP network that has never had a virus in the approximately eight years it's been running*
And why is anybody supposed to believe you, when Windows 2K hasn't been out anywhere near that long, let alone XP?
What's the compelling reason to switch to Linux? No viruses? If they can't operate Windows well enough to not get a virus, they can't manage the little foibles inherent in Linux.
Nobody can operate Windows well enough to not get a virus. Not if it's connected to the internet.
Linux zealots are going to run in defense of the [Linux] kernel.
Never let facts get in the way of a good rant:
To exploit any of these vulnerabilities an attacker needs control
over the answers of the connected smb server. This could be achieved
by man in the middle attacks or by taking over the smb server with
f.e. the recently disclosed vulnerability in Samba 3.x
While any of these vulnerabilities can be easily used as remote
denial of service exploits against Linux systems, it is unclear if
it is possible for a skilled local or remote attacker to use any of
the possible bufferoverflows for arbitrary code execution in kernel
space.
Are the changes sufficient to handle the ANSI C++ standard now or are more ABI changes coming down the pike?
No more ABI changes are comming down the pipe. Gcc now offers as good or better ANSI C++ compliance as any compiler/library out there.
the only things my peers know about Linux is that it's free and it's a Unix clone. Frankly, they would be pissed if I gave them a CD with a free operating system on it and tried to pass that off as a gift.
Oh, because they've already got it? Yeah, right. We are talking stocking stuffer here, it's a great stocking stuffer.
The people that say that this smacks of conversion and fanaticalism are correct.
See, given your comments below, that's why you need the CD.
What about a seriously generic Linux distro where a newbie like myself could put it in his CD drive, it would boot into some sort of DOS like equivelant where it would ask some simple questions about partioning and formatting the drive, then 20 minutes later it would finish the install and boot me up to a GUI desktop with video drivers installed (well generic ones at least), sound drivers installed and firefox installed.
I've got news for you, the CD's we are talking about here go way beyond that. It's basically just put it in your CD drive and 1 minute later it's up and running a full GUI with your browser connected to the internet and solitaire ready to play. Not to mention having a _full_ office suit ready to use.
Still think it's not something you want to find in your XMas stocking?
...it's that people hate to be converted and they hate to be preached to. If your friends aren't looking to change their OS then just forget your little crusade because all you're going to do is piss people off.
That's wrong, which I know from first-hand experience. Giving a CD you can just pop in and boot is far from preaching, on the contrary, it lets people satisfy their curiosity.
I believe you are a astroturder.
I would think twice before doing. Seriously, how many people, whether family or friends, wouldn't think of you as a fanatic or total nerd if you went around giving Linux as a christmas gift.
I have done it, I am a nerd, and the gift was greatfully received, not to mention put to good use.
The linked page is apparently slashdotted, but the goddam popup ads still manage to load. Sometimes the internet really stinks
Yes, your browser. Get a real one.
I wrote: "It looks deliberate to me"
and the inimitable PJ removes all doubt. She turned up an earlier piece of tripe by the same shill, published by the same rag:
Here's a catchy title: "Maybe SCO has a point".
where I work, the applications have to be specifically recompiled for each of the three versions of the Linux distribution currently in use.
That's what the Linux LSB standard addresses. Get it, study it, program to it.
FUD generally implies deliberate disinformation.
It looks deliberate to me: "Linux could be about to fork. In a worrying parallel to the issue that stopped Unix becoming a mass-market product in the 1980s - leaving the field clear for Microsoft" Straight regurgitation of a Microsoft "how to FUD linux" talking point. Never mind that the Linux kernel has always forked every major cycle, and that this only affects internal kernel interfaces, not application interfaces.
I have felt this pain too my friend. Because of glibc incompatibility problems within redhat for instance, if you compile a binary on a redhat 9.0 system it will not run on a redhat 8.0 system.
The problem wasn't glibc, it was the C++ ABI, it only stabilized in gcc 3.2 (RH 9). It was hoped the ABI would stabilize a little earlier, in gcc 3.0, but for various reasons (bugs) it was not to be, and it took a few months longer to settle. Now the ABI is stable and further inconpatible changes are not expected. Plain old C programs were not affected by ABI changes and have steamed along happily through all of this, the same for anything statically linked.
I'm pretty sure Ballmer was bluffing. Talk is cheap, so I think Microsoft will just quietly fold rather than risk another monopoly fine in China or Japan. If they were serious about it, they'd go after IBM.
Get flattened by IBM you mean. It's a practical certainty that IBM has enough patents in its war chest to put Microsoft right out of business, should Microsoft be stupid enough to fire the first shot.
Ironically, our best hope of defeating Microsoft in the patent arena is IBM, and to a lesser extent, Novell.
I don't doubt that IBM can take Windows right off the market just by patent enforcement, if sufficiently provoked. This is rapidly approaching sufficient provocation.
BTW any CEO/CIO what agrees to a nine year contract for anything with any vendor ought to be fired on the spot. What kind of a moron does that?
A paid-off one.
The current system is already based on MS products, and to try to replace that with Linux all at once would cost more than the half a billion pounds that the new Microsoft license costs.
Half a billion pounds - close to a billion dollars - that's a lot of money. That buys a lot of custom code. And you're sure about this, are you?
Of course you've got the numbers at hand to back it up, or you wouldn't have stated it so positively, would you.
Another legit worry is what will happen to Linux. Windows has a very big, very stable company backing it up. There's not really a question that it will continue to be developed and supported in the forseeable future. Linux is developed by a group of peopel working on it because they want to. What happens if they decide to stop, and no one steps up to take their place? Yes I realise that's extremely unlikely, but it's a legit concern for companies.
Linux has a lot better continuity record than Microsoft does. It's the rule, not the exception, that code written to run on Linux ten years ago still runs flawlessly on Linux today. That is simply not the case with Microsoft.
So what happens to you when Microsoft drops the version of Windows you are tied to?
would have cost upwards of 800 million pounds. The NHS negotiated that price downwards to 500 million pounds ... I'd say that it's a pretty serious discount with some nice benefits.
Dear anonymous coward,
Software costs essentially nothing to produce. A 35% percent discount on a huge volume deal is not sharp negotiating, it is getting taken to the cleaners.
News reports from a year ago value the deal at "several hundred million pounds" over 10 years, now we hear it's 500 million which is claimed to be a deep discount. How fishy is that?
would you rather they got the deeply discounted deal they got here with almost double the number of licenses and the health care software system keeps running and in turn the health care system keeps running
How do you know the deal was deeply discounted? From what? What did the previous 9 years cost? Are you going to believe the Microsoft-approved press release about the so-called discount?