I'm talking about phones that are already out of service because the owner owns a newer one. As I see it, a lot of these become toys for playing with custom roms. I've got two of those now, how about you? Some of those will actually go back into service because of running the latest, fully patched Android release. Something you can hand your kids without getting to worked up if it gets lost, broken or stolen.
I wouldn't say they are garbage next to a 10 year old DSLR.
So, vs Canon 5D MkII then? 12.8 megapixels, full size sensor, 3 frames continuous raw, 14 bit a/d, released 2008. L series glass. Let's be real, the 5D wins hands down. And if you want great post processing, a real computer beats a phone every time. If you don't know that then you're easily fooled by cheap tricks. Unsharp mask everything, great way to sell a camera to the clueless.
They'll ebay it for next to nothing. It will keep changing hands for less and less money until it ends up in the hands of somebody who know how to reflash it. Especially if reflashing is easy, and it is. Then it goes from being junk to being a fun toy again. This is going to happen to some fraction of used phones, the only question is, how many. You can be sure it will increase over time as more rescue candidates heap up at the bottom.
You eventually grit your teeth and tolerate the missing keys. You never get back to the same speed, you now need two hands to do these functions which in many cases are even more common than regular text. You can apologize for it, but that doesn't magically transform it into a decent keyboard for PC replacement. So, fail. This thing is really just another media consumption and texting device.
Notably missing keys: home, end, page up, page down, delete. Not even an obvious function shift. Going to be a super pain for word processing. Otherwise it's almost a PC, with tight storage and zero expandability. Unfortunately I rate the keyboard a fail for its intended PC replacement purpose.
Nobody is pointing a finger at Glofo for 7nm problems. Glofo decided just to stay out of that game entirely after having made almost zero investment in it. Glofo's only real problem was, AMD was taking its 7nm business elsewhere. Sensible decisions all round. AMD gets earlier, less risky production and Glofo continues to profit from its older but highly profitable 14nm and 28nm nodes. The latter may soon account for 30% of PC processor chips.
BTW, I wouldn't count Glofo out of the game at this point. They're going to have a fat bank account a couple years into this cycle and they have an ongoing partnership with IBM. They will probably get into EUV when the tech is more mature, possibly skipping 7nm and going straight for 5nm GAAT.
he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it
Is he ok with sharing all his passwords with any random driveby hacker? Because his Intel gaming PC is wide open to exploit even by Javascript on a web page. Or in case that isn't clear:, you own Intel, you surf, you lose.
Before Meltdown, maybe. Today, Intel owners need to decide whether to lag behind AMD also in single core performance, or leave the machine wide open to attack.
It would have to be some extreme upgraded ARM to offer any reasonable performance in a desktop machine?
You mean like, with superscalar, shadow registers, multi-level cache, branch prediction, that kind of thing? Recent ARM has all of it, differences with X86 microarch have been steadily shrinking. SMT is one of the few x86 characteristic optimizations still missing from ARM. Not clear why ARM hasn't dropped the other shoe on that one, maybe transistor budget. But I would not be surprised at all to see an ARM SMT reveal by this time next year.
GF reportedly hits a wall at 7nm, but not a word on Intel's Great Wall of 10nm..?
It's the same wall. Intel's 10nm has nearly the same feature dimensions as 7nm of the rest of the bunch. Intel aimed for about 10% finer metal pitch than TSMC and Samsung (36nm vs 40nm) apparently putting them just on the wrong side of the wall of what deep UV lithography can achieve reliably.
Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark
Pockmarks if you like, pockmarks that look like pre-cancer. And on only one side of his face, the side he always tries to turn away from the camera. And then his whole skull seems to be bent, so his mouth is twisted one way and his eyes are twisted the other. Just a very creepy face if you happen to look at it.
I guess, Kavanaugh's mind is also twisted and has per-cancerous pockmarks. Your guy.
The vast majority of people don't want to play with old hardware or play with custom roms to try and achieve a functional phone.
The phone is worth zero to them so they can just give it away to somebody who does like to play with roms. And feel good about it because that's one less piece of electronics in a landfill.
Microsoft is still prevalent enough that its market dominance is not under any serious short-term threat.
You mean, after losing roughly 100% of the phone market and HPC market and major chunks of other markets? You bet Microsoft is threatened, there is a reason they are hiring Linux devs and shifting major parts of their business to Linux.
...if the Linux driver NDA exception tax exceeds the Windows tax, as Shikaku mentioned.
Your friend Shikaku likes to post utter bullshit. Whether its Intel or AMD, Linux just works on modern laptops, including wifi, chipset power management, sound, GPU, nearly every USB device you can think of and even custom keyboard buttons for most popular laptops. Not drivers to install, it all just comes bundled as loadable modules. Unlike Windows driver madness, where you are sure to be orphaned sooner or later when the vendor doesn't provide a driver for Microsoft's latest incompatible spyware.
If you doubt me, then just stick in one of these bootable sticks on a random Windows laptop and see what happens. Usually, it just pops up with everything working, put in your wifi password and you're on the net. Without touching the hard disk, unless you tell it to.
Nope, most people won't do a procedure not endorsed by the manufacturer such as flashing an unofficial ROM
Most people don't need to do the procedure. One nerd or one screwdriver shop can do hundreds of these. The thing is, these phones are basically free because without a ROM update they are useless. By my count, orphaned smartphones already outnumber in service ones. Everybody has a couple stashed away in a drawer.
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I'm talking about phones that are already out of service because the owner owns a newer one. As I see it, a lot of these become toys for playing with custom roms. I've got two of those now, how about you? Some of those will actually go back into service because of running the latest, fully patched Android release. Something you can hand your kids without getting to worked up if it gets lost, broken or stolen.
I wouldn't say they are garbage next to a 10 year old DSLR.
So, vs Canon 5D MkII then? 12.8 megapixels, full size sensor, 3 frames continuous raw, 14 bit a/d, released 2008. L series glass. Let's be real, the 5D wins hands down. And if you want great post processing, a real computer beats a phone every time. If you don't know that then you're easily fooled by cheap tricks. Unsharp mask everything, great way to sell a camera to the clueless.
They'll ebay it for next to nothing. It will keep changing hands for less and less money until it ends up in the hands of somebody who know how to reflash it. Especially if reflashing is easy, and it is. Then it goes from being junk to being a fun toy again. This is going to happen to some fraction of used phones, the only question is, how many. You can be sure it will increase over time as more rescue candidates heap up at the bottom.
I think we need to expect no real advancement beyond 7nm for the foreseeable future.
Way wrong. EUV will take standard lithography down to 5nm and 3nm, these are already in the pipeline. Google GAAT.
You eventually grit your teeth and tolerate the missing keys. You never get back to the same speed, you now need two hands to do these functions which in many cases are even more common than regular text. You can apologize for it, but that doesn't magically transform it into a decent keyboard for PC replacement. So, fail. This thing is really just another media consumption and texting device.
Notably missing keys: home, end, page up, page down, delete. Not even an obvious function shift. Going to be a super pain for word processing. Otherwise it's almost a PC, with tight storage and zero expandability. Unfortunately I rate the keyboard a fail for its intended PC replacement purpose.
Nobody is pointing a finger at Glofo for 7nm problems. Glofo decided just to stay out of that game entirely after having made almost zero investment in it. Glofo's only real problem was, AMD was taking its 7nm business elsewhere. Sensible decisions all round. AMD gets earlier, less risky production and Glofo continues to profit from its older but highly profitable 14nm and 28nm nodes. The latter may soon account for 30% of PC processor chips.
BTW, I wouldn't count Glofo out of the game at this point. They're going to have a fat bank account a couple years into this cycle and they have an ongoing partnership with IBM. They will probably get into EUV when the tech is more mature, possibly skipping 7nm and going straight for 5nm GAAT.
he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it
Is he ok with sharing all his passwords with any random driveby hacker? Because his Intel gaming PC is wide open to exploit even by Javascript on a web page. Or in case that isn't clear:, you own Intel, you surf, you lose.
Intel is still the single thread champ.
Before Meltdown, maybe. Today, Intel owners need to decide whether to lag behind AMD also in single core performance, or leave the machine wide open to attack.
It would have to be some extreme upgraded ARM to offer any reasonable performance in a desktop machine?
You mean like, with superscalar, shadow registers, multi-level cache, branch prediction, that kind of thing? Recent ARM has all of it, differences with X86 microarch have been steadily shrinking. SMT is one of the few x86 characteristic optimizations still missing from ARM. Not clear why ARM hasn't dropped the other shoe on that one, maybe transistor budget. But I would not be surprised at all to see an ARM SMT reveal by this time next year.
GF reportedly hits a wall at 7nm, but not a word on Intel's Great Wall of 10nm..?
It's the same wall. Intel's 10nm has nearly the same feature dimensions as 7nm of the rest of the bunch. Intel aimed for about 10% finer metal pitch than TSMC and Samsung (36nm vs 40nm) apparently putting them just on the wrong side of the wall of what deep UV lithography can achieve reliably.
This guy holds to the constitution exactly as a biggot holds to the flag
Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark
Pockmarks if you like, pockmarks that look like pre-cancer. And on only one side of his face, the side he always tries to turn away from the camera. And then his whole skull seems to be bent, so his mouth is twisted one way and his eyes are twisted the other. Just a very creepy face if you happen to look at it.
I guess, Kavanaugh's mind is also twisted and has per-cancerous pockmarks. Your guy.
Random troll on the internet can't google? Here is one of many
The vast majority of people don't want to play with old hardware or play with custom roms to try and achieve a functional phone.
The phone is worth zero to them so they can just give it away to somebody who does like to play with roms. And feel good about it because that's one less piece of electronics in a landfill.
In the 3D media creation content world, Maya by Autodesk is still number one
And incidentally, runs on Linux because Hollywood requires it to.
Microsoft is still prevalent enough that its market dominance is not under any serious short-term threat.
You mean, after losing roughly 100% of the phone market and HPC market and major chunks of other markets? You bet Microsoft is threatened, there is a reason they are hiring Linux devs and shifting major parts of their business to Linux.
one of our suppliers encourages us to use the macro-driven Excel workbook that it supplies to pre-validate product feeds before we upload them
Wow, must suck to work where you work. Just find a company capable of using Web technologies, it's more likely to survive.
I-Pads make decent paperweights, then you put your coffee cup on top.
it's I-Pad. Because you are so bothered by it.
I like that. Adopted :)
What do you mean, some day? Windows PCs gain share in K-12 in the US, but Chromebooks still dominate
I agree, schools should buy Chromebooks, for standardization if for no other reasons. That's why schools are buying Chromebooks.
...if the Linux driver NDA exception tax exceeds the Windows tax, as Shikaku mentioned.
Your friend Shikaku likes to post utter bullshit. Whether its Intel or AMD, Linux just works on modern laptops, including wifi, chipset power management, sound, GPU, nearly every USB device you can think of and even custom keyboard buttons for most popular laptops. Not drivers to install, it all just comes bundled as loadable modules. Unlike Windows driver madness, where you are sure to be orphaned sooner or later when the vendor doesn't provide a driver for Microsoft's latest incompatible spyware.
If you doubt me, then just stick in one of these bootable sticks on a random Windows laptop and see what happens. Usually, it just pops up with everything working, put in your wifi password and you're on the net. Without touching the hard disk, unless you tell it to.
Nope, most people won't do a procedure not endorsed by the manufacturer such as flashing an unofficial ROM
Most people don't need to do the procedure. One nerd or one screwdriver shop can do hundreds of these. The thing is, these phones are basically free because without a ROM update they are useless. By my count, orphaned smartphones already outnumber in service ones. Everybody has a couple stashed away in a drawer.
Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
Because he's not a criminal.
We must agree to disagree. Meanwhile, Mueller and others already know with certainty.