But beer should be free. hehe. Touche~, good point. I generally want cash for the little things though...and never take out more than 100 bucks at a time. If I want a bigger badder item, I whip out Mr. Plastic.
How exactly does this work. Do you have to have a prexisting "smart card"? So do you just logon to their website, tell them that you wish to make a purchase at a particular website and THEN they give you number OR do they just give you the number for just 1 transaction anywhere? I did not find the CNEt article particularly clear on that subject.
No it was not an as hominem...I never played a sport, neither did I ever state that I received any scholarships (just academic grants). I think you are falling for the big cases that you see on the news and TV.
"99.9% of the rest of the metriculating students?....lowering of standards?" *Sigh*
My school and thousands others have minimum high school GPA and SAT scores...anyone (including athletes) who wants to consider enrollment has to meet those standards.
"Who said no sports in higher education?"
You did, sir! And I quoteth.
"The fact that it's actually a drain on our Education dollars removes any justification whatsoever."SOURCE
Harvard is VERY happy with their Rugby program. My cousin went there on a full scholarship and is now practicing at a successful law firm. Yep, that dumb jock who got straight A's in College really did not deserve the chance for a full ride.
You're mixing apples and oranges.
Chess? Oh cmon...Please. Hmmmm, net positive to the school. How bout the students who are in sports? I could point you to thousands upon thousands of students who enjoyed their sports years. They balanced leadership/skill/speed/training with research/mathmatics etc. I'm noticing the possibility that you never played a sport in college...most of my friends did. Basketball, baseball, football. Most had scholarships (as most could not afford my school). They ALL just graduated last May cum laude, as BS Engineers.
You are making sweeping statements like Dan Hayes. Not ALL schools have dumb illiterate Football atheletes. Yes policies and focus HAVE to change, but saying that sports have NO place in higher education is fairly silly.
Yep. A Liiiiiiittttle bit too far fetched in my book. "Untaxable?" I would like to know how that is going to be accomplished. One word, everywhere in meatspace is taxable. Also, Sure companies are making more money than some countries...what exaclty does this imply? This has been done since the industrial age!
I'll classify this book as Sci-Fi in my library. Or, "Y2k, the world will end".
What about kids who play sports? What are you going to do for them? "Oops, sorry. After High School, you have no hopes of continuing on your education...just join the footbal league".
Its great to generalize and say that schools should not be in the business, but its funny how none of the research points to ANY schools that live with sports and has a high academic standing. Balances between the two CAN and are made with many instiutions. Sure its easy to SAY "let's throw sports out the window." You cannot do it though. I should have been more clear...the alumni don't donate money to the school for the sports complexes etc...they donate it other NEW multi-million dollar chemistry buildings and psych buildings, BECAUSE they are still interested in maintaining/improving the school's tradition. It "corrupts the institutions???" How?
" Then, you have to show that the Alumni money would dry up without the sports angle when there's no reason to believe this whatsoever"
SURE there is! If I went to Virginia Tech and I had a blast, got well educated, graduated and got a successful job, I would be very fond of watching the team in all sports events. They have a pretty good football team and being within the spirit of the school, I would have gone to all their games. You would be proud to hear people/friends/business partners/ say "wow...looks like VA tech has a good team this year" (or the opposite). Regardless, they would know the school through the team and know the academic background of the school. If that school removed its funding, and sports fell through, the schools tradition of excellence would disappear in the eyes of the alumni. Sure they would continue their academic excellence, but they would become just another one of those tech schools. Sports can be VERY benefitial to a school...it keeps alumni and donors happy.
My point, was that Dan Hayes is generalizing ALL US academic institutions. I don't think that that is appropriate. Sure Sports players get more recognition.
Think about why though. Q.Who enjoy's sports? A. Average Joe Sixpack
Q. Who covers the Sports that Joe likes? A. National news agencies who need money from people like Joe.
Its a brutal circle but here is the way I see it. You have to ask about the type of news that is needed. School's use their sport's programs to get into the limelight, so people can see it is there. Everytime Notre Dame (for ex.) kicks some butt, someone out there will most likely want to be "cool" and purchase a Fightin Irish product. The school gets the money back from that little item.
Science is a different kind of news. It has to be generalized/glorified to the average person. If a paper is published about a new kind of engineering product that makes something easier to produce but does NOT affect the world's hunger problem, then it will stay amongst the scientific community. It is there, but it is harder to find. You're right...it is a societal quirk, but oh well. IMO, low-income/low-middle-income people don't care about science or its advances unless it better's their lives.
Q. "Who's popular or respected for being valedictorian?"
A. Ironically ours (at a VERY respected private school), later became a "Professional Wrestler.
Oh I agree completely. However it was made clear that this is in fact TRUE for ALL institutions, a point that I disagreed with.
I'm not sure about your "real focus" point on education. You have to ask the question of the type of press involved. If an institution develops a new process of engineering and publishes a paper on it, why would the national press be interested in it? Only scientific circles give a damn abou it. If it is trully revolutionary, you can be sure that the college's PR dept will DEFINETLY tout its own horn. My college for instance had a huge sports program, that brought millions into the school. Its the entertainment. Many students complained about the budget but failed to read of the press releases put out by the school and on their website. What students/the community did not see where the numerous talk shows/books/papers/documentaries that their professors wrote/starred on. Its true, that maybe sports should not have all the limelight, however it is what brings the dough in.
due to the fact that a citizen could possibly commit a crime everytime he/she steps outside, authorities are now requiring every person to wear a GPS signal transmitter.
The new agency dubbed BBW (Big Brother is Watching) will begin implementing its policies starting next week. Citizen will be required to purchase these GPS wristbands at their own expense.
Its to whole "Younger, Fresher, Better" ideal. You can have all the experience in the world if you want, but IMO there is a stereotypical notion that CS kids coming right out of college are somehow more prepared to learn and deal with new technologies than the older folks. Look at the media's portrayal afterall. Kids starting their own companies, making millions, programming games...seems as if all kids nowadays know their computing stuff. I personally believe that this is FAR from the truth and would actually like to seem some stats about this. When I was in College, most kids in my classes were only in those classes NOT for the learning but for the degree in CS. They KNEW that they could get a good job after college and make a comfortable living, even though (IMHO) most were not prepared for the REAL tech industry.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
"The USian education system is geared more towards sports than education in many cases" Really Mr. Trollman? Name a case. You do not even LIVE in the US, and yet are proficient on its Educational system? Colleges cannot afford to just lay importance on sports teams. There's a little thing called US NEWS College Rankings that colleges strive for. If they don't make the grade and get a poor ranking, they will get a poor turnout, and thereby go out of business. Sports is only a way to attract money from Alumni. Trust me...been there, worked there. Its the money that allows the school to build buildings and support research.
This supposed shortage of labor is nothing but a mirage created by the industry. They know that most workers know how much their jobs are really worth, when foreign laborers really do not. This is merely a way to entice cheap foreign laborers over to the US. Nothing more and nothing less. One thing that the article did not mention, was the average starting salary of a foreign national VS. that of a seasoned US industry person.
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Yup. One thing that I've never been to understand is why do some people (aside from Trolls) love to think that Science is the work of the devil? I believe in God and Science. I just think God is not so limited as to be captured in one little itty bitty book. Science, IMHO, is merely the process of discovering the little rules that God has put into place. Scientists just have to becareful to use their discoveries to benefit society so that such discoveries can continue. (Ie. Accidently releasing a potent virus into a residental area would probably be within the "bad" ideas).
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Um. Just out of curiosity. If they are blocking Katz articles...and you posted the link within a Katz article...what are the chances that the blockees see it?
Yep except if they're caught with their pants down by someone and you can prove that they stole it, then they're screwed. Although undoubtely their PR department would be like:
"Stealing??? No...That's way to harsh! We were merely...uh...TESTING them to make sure that the names were suitable...yeah. Thats it! Testing them!"
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But beer should be free. hehe. Touche~, good point. I generally want cash for the little things though...and never take out more than 100 bucks at a time. If I want a bigger badder item, I whip out Mr. Plastic.
Account, name address and 2 forms of photo id?
Where do you get the cash? Atm? Bank? Liquor Store Robbery...
How exactly does this work. Do you have to have a prexisting "smart card"? So do you just logon to their website, tell them that you wish to make a purchase at a particular website and THEN they give you number OR do they just give you the number for just 1 transaction anywhere? I did not find the CNEt article particularly clear on that subject.
And for GODS SAKE...What about the BEER??????
No it was not an as hominem...I never played a sport, neither did I ever state that I received any scholarships (just academic grants). I think you are falling for the big cases that you see on the news and TV.
"99.9% of the rest of the metriculating students?....lowering of standards?" *Sigh*
My school and thousands others have minimum high school GPA and SAT scores...anyone (including athletes) who wants to consider enrollment has to meet those standards.
"Who said no sports in higher education?"
You did, sir! And I quoteth. "The fact that it's actually a drain on our Education dollars removes any justification whatsoever."SOURCE
Good Day now...no more to hear here.
Harvard is VERY happy with their Rugby program. My cousin went there on a full scholarship and is now practicing at a successful law firm. Yep, that dumb jock who got straight A's in College really did not deserve the chance for a full ride. You're mixing apples and oranges.
Chess? Oh cmon...Please. Hmmmm, net positive to the school. How bout the students who are in sports? I could point you to thousands upon thousands of students who enjoyed their sports years. They balanced leadership/skill/speed/training with research/mathmatics etc. I'm noticing the possibility that you never played a sport in college...most of my friends did. Basketball, baseball, football. Most had scholarships (as most could not afford my school). They ALL just graduated last May cum laude, as BS Engineers.
You are making sweeping statements like Dan Hayes. Not ALL schools have dumb illiterate Football atheletes. Yes policies and focus HAVE to change, but saying that sports have NO place in higher education is fairly silly.
Yep. A Liiiiiiittttle bit too far fetched in my book. "Untaxable?" I would like to know how that is going to be accomplished. One word, everywhere in meatspace is taxable. Also, Sure companies are making more money than some countries...what exaclty does this imply? This has been done since the industrial age!
I'll classify this book as Sci-Fi in my library. Or, "Y2k, the world will end".
What about kids who play sports? What are you going to do for them? "Oops, sorry. After High School, you have no hopes of continuing on your education...just join the footbal league".
Its great to generalize and say that schools should not be in the business, but its funny how none of the research points to ANY schools that live with sports and has a high academic standing. Balances between the two CAN and are made with many instiutions. Sure its easy to SAY "let's throw sports out the window." You cannot do it though. I should have been more clear...the alumni don't donate money to the school for the sports complexes etc...they donate it other NEW multi-million dollar chemistry buildings and psych buildings, BECAUSE they are still interested in maintaining/improving the school's tradition. It "corrupts the institutions???" How?
" Then, you have to show that the Alumni money would dry up without the sports angle when there's no reason to believe this whatsoever"
SURE there is! If I went to Virginia Tech and I had a blast, got well educated, graduated and got a successful job, I would be very fond of watching the team in all sports events. They have a pretty good football team and being within the spirit of the school, I would have gone to all their games. You would be proud to hear people/friends/business partners/ say "wow...looks like VA tech has a good team this year" (or the opposite). Regardless, they would know the school through the team and know the academic background of the school. If that school removed its funding, and sports fell through, the schools tradition of excellence would disappear in the eyes of the alumni. Sure they would continue their academic excellence, but they would become just another one of those tech schools. Sports can be VERY benefitial to a school...it keeps alumni and donors happy.
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My point, was that Dan Hayes is generalizing ALL US academic institutions. I don't think that that is appropriate. Sure Sports players get more recognition.
Think about why though.
Q.Who enjoy's sports?
A. Average Joe Sixpack
Q. Who covers the Sports that Joe likes?
A. National news agencies who need money from people like Joe.
Its a brutal circle but here is the way I see it. You have to ask about the type of news that is needed. School's use their sport's programs to get into the limelight, so people can see it is there. Everytime Notre Dame (for ex.) kicks some butt, someone out there will most likely want to be "cool" and purchase a Fightin Irish product. The school gets the money back from that little item.
Science is a different kind of news. It has to be generalized/glorified to the average person. If a paper is published about a new kind of engineering product that makes something easier to produce but does NOT affect the world's hunger problem, then it will stay amongst the scientific community. It is there, but it is harder to find. You're right...it is a societal quirk, but oh well. IMO, low-income/low-middle-income people don't care about science or its advances unless it better's their lives.
Q. "Who's popular or respected for being valedictorian?"
A. Ironically ours (at a VERY respected private school), later became a "Professional Wrestler.
Oh I agree completely. However it was made clear that this is in fact TRUE for ALL institutions, a point that I disagreed with.
I'm not sure about your "real focus" point on education. You have to ask the question of the type of press involved. If an institution develops a new process of engineering and publishes a paper on it, why would the national press be interested in it? Only scientific circles give a damn abou it. If it is trully revolutionary, you can be sure that the college's PR dept will DEFINETLY tout its own horn. My college for instance had a huge sports program, that brought millions into the school. Its the entertainment. Many students complained about the budget but failed to read of the press releases put out by the school and on their website. What students/the community did not see where the numerous talk shows/books/papers/documentaries that their professors wrote/starred on. Its true, that maybe sports should not have all the limelight, however it is what brings the dough in.
due to the fact that a citizen could possibly commit a crime everytime he/she steps outside, authorities are now requiring every person to wear a GPS signal transmitter.
The new agency dubbed BBW (Big Brother is Watching) will begin implementing its policies starting next week. Citizen will be required to purchase these GPS wristbands at their own expense.
Yeah and Canadian Beer is good...I have one word for you buddy: SPAM.
Its to whole "Younger, Fresher, Better" ideal. You can have all the experience in the world if you want, but IMO there is a stereotypical notion that CS kids coming right out of college are somehow more prepared to learn and deal with new technologies than the older folks. Look at the media's portrayal afterall. Kids starting their own companies, making millions, programming games...seems as if all kids nowadays know their computing stuff. I personally believe that this is FAR from the truth and would actually like to seem some stats about this. When I was in College, most kids in my classes were only in those classes NOT for the learning but for the degree in CS. They KNEW that they could get a good job after college and make a comfortable living, even though (IMHO) most were not prepared for the REAL tech industry.
First I'd like to respond by saying:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
"The USian education system is geared more towards sports than education in many cases"
Really Mr. Trollman? Name a case. You do not even LIVE in the US, and yet are proficient on its Educational system? Colleges cannot afford to just lay importance on sports teams. There's a little thing called US NEWS College Rankings that colleges strive for. If they don't make the grade and get a poor ranking, they will get a poor turnout, and thereby go out of business. Sports is only a way to attract money from Alumni. Trust me...been there, worked there. Its the money that allows the school to build buildings and support research.
This supposed shortage of labor is nothing but a mirage created by the industry. They know that most workers know how much their jobs are really worth, when foreign laborers really do not. This is merely a way to entice cheap foreign laborers over to the US. Nothing more and nothing less. One thing that the article did not mention, was the average starting salary of a foreign national VS. that of a seasoned US industry person.
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Yup. One thing that I've never been to understand is why do some people (aside from Trolls) love to think that Science is the work of the devil? I believe in God and Science. I just think God is not so limited as to be captured in one little itty bitty book. Science, IMHO, is merely the process of discovering the little rules that God has put into place. Scientists just have to becareful to use their discoveries to benefit society so that such discoveries can continue. (Ie. Accidently releasing a potent virus into a residental area would probably be within the "bad" ideas).
Um. The Albino Organization of Liberating Banana-Enema Therapies for All?
Dunno...Just a guess.
its all about closing the HREF block.
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why a legal webcasting system will never be made unless you sleep with the RIAA. The RIAA is really silly, since all of the publicity about getting free MP3's via these websites have been made, more and more Joe Sixpack people are finding out where to download these programs.
Message to RIAA: Lawyers and these silly court decisions are sucking you dry!
Um. Just out of curiosity. If they are blocking Katz articles...and you posted the link within a Katz article...what are the chances that the blockees see it?
Yep except if they're caught with their pants down by someone and you can prove that they stole it, then they're screwed. Although undoubtely their PR department would be like:
"Stealing??? No...That's way to harsh! We were merely...uh...TESTING them to make sure that the names were suitable...yeah. Thats it! Testing them!"