Achieving a huge cost saving in an MS environment can be accomplished by making a shortcut on the ms desktop to a pretty nice ap called write.exe or wordpad.exe....
175 apps would cost multi million dollars? WINE is free and would run most of these apps (they still have their win98/95 licenses) and for those that dont run via wine they can be reprogrammed in just a few hours.
These usually arent very complex apps but usually just stuff slapped together to download alcohol data from mobile alcohol content readers into some DBF file. Pretty basic stuff. Moving such apps to linux offers great potential for data integration.
Well the good thing is that you can lock down linux totally to do just those tasks you instruct it to do. So for someone who just needs email and a word processor you can install just an email client and a word processor. And no minesweeper. So that would help productivity.
I would call openoffice of pretty ok quality. It is quite bloated, true, but not as much as ms office. Also it runs on linux, osx and windows, to name a few OS, and on dozens of processors. That makes it an interesting choice. As a side note I love how you can load MS powerpoint into ooffice impress and convert them to flash. Neat-o!
OpenOffice really is all the office most people need. And all that for a pretty good price.
How many of those companies will be capable of cleaning 14,000 houses?
10, maybe 1000 of them? People are willing to earn money!
HP is I believe since their aquisition of compaq larger than IBM. Apart from HPs own HPUX unix they also have all the expertise of DEC (digital equipment corporation) which was a HUGE unix company before Compaq bought them. Not to mention Compaqs expertise in the unix field. All in all HP would have been able to support this.
They got LESS SOFTWARE? You haven't recently installed any of the big linuxes so you are unaware of the immense overkill of quality software you get FOR FREE I guess. You haven't installed openoffice.org have you, so you wouldn't realize openoffice writer is free...
You say "you assume that there is another company out there willing & able to take that sort of thing on". I know dozens of companies in this town that would come and clean my house, toilet, and do really crappy stuff if I paid them to do it... Supporting linux is kind of fun, unlike cleaning my toilet.
If IBM wsnt in the picture HP might have been. You haven't recently read about industry wide linux adoption or you might have realized this also, maybe?
You can actually customize KDE to kiosk mode so employees cant run anything other than what you want them to run AND you save a lot of overhead in the process by not loading libs you dont need. KDE 3.1 is very very flexible that way, have you used it?
I think the question in this case more resolved around the opportunities for local business to grow around more widespread linux adoption. Not having to pay MS tax on desktop, apps, development tools, libraries and the lot saves money.
Adopting linux also creates opportunities for local companies to service, support and create for the new linux ecology created by such an institutional adoption.
Its not unlike creating an airport where you certainly wouldnt want a (foreign) company to get money out of pretty much everything going on at that airport.
I don't think Microsoft can afford to alienate foreign customers any more than it has done already. They have to shift to having the interests of their customers at heart more or this Munich tale will have be the first amongst many.
I think this pretty much is the winning argument in the councils decision to go with linux, MS just employs Germans, it doesnt bring them any profits or software and new business growth prospect. Now you give the ground to a wide array of companies both internal and external to compete for apps on the desktop rather than to give the whole shebang to one company. It creates a microclimate for a linux economy in Munich that will probably grow as linux itself is more widely adopted.
the thing is that it brings down production servers that usually host more than one site and often also collaborating groups of people use the same server to work on.
Of course it isnt criminal its just rude. And can be fixed easily.
Yes it makes perfect sense for a city government to want to see more tax payer money to go back to the tax payer, IBM will earn a lot of this money but plenty will go to Suse and lots to local companies who have to deal with the practicalities of this decision. Like installing openoffice in and around munich.
Perhaps slashdot should seriously consider mirroring screenies before posting stories such as these.. two days ago pretty much brought down that server hosting the new evolution screenies, now this one isnt responding either. Some solution should be found for this or slashdot just punishes those it wants to bring news about..
Creative genius and crime express themselves early in men but both are turned off almost like a tap if a man gets married and has children, a study says.
Are we supposed to guess women aren't affected by this? Maybe the study isnt sexist but the article covering it sure is...
Their software may have more capability than Linux--I think it does, especially for end users.
Depends on how you see it and how you define Linux. Considering the large distros all come with a free office, free dev tools, free sql, web, etc servers and tons of other free stuff, as opposed to MS which will charge you tons-o-cash for just their sql server...
GIMP isnt as capable as photoshop but photoshop isnt free and GIMP does what most people need an image ap to do.
the problem with asking slashdot is that you rarely get answers to your questions but boatloads of more or less interesting semi relevant chatter instead!
I just dont know about Andreesen, all these 'innovations' they (netscape) had planned would have bested what ms, moz, konqueror, opera and all the other dev teams came up with ever since? browser are like cars: got 4 wheels, moves over a surface, easy to use, not too expensive. Loads of people in the 50s could have sworn we'd all have flying cars at this point in time. Maybe he's still unhappy about the fate of VRML!
Try mozilla firebird and all the great plugins available for it, tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, popup blocking...
And no spyware/adware, and it runs on windows and more platforms.
I guess Andreesen when talking about all the innovations he "had in mind" he meant tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, popup blocking... I guess he was lucky to be in netscape at the time, most of what he did afterwards kind of failed miserably.
True - linux people might buy the new G5 and dual boot that osx/linux but why ditch osx when it will soon support X11 natively and so pretty much all linux apps (QT, KDE already is running on OSX) will be trivial to port.
It might just be that OSX will compete with KDE and Gnome, not with linux...
I run KDE 3.1 on a 400 mhz G4 powerbook and it is very speedy and extremely good. I cant imagine what a 64 bit linux will do on a dual 2.0ghz ibm apple other than blow everyone away!
How will this help boeing against Airbus A380? This new plane is a midsizer thatll just help you hop between midsized airports where you'll board the A380 for your final destination..
I can see that people want that security but that security is a socialist security and goes right against the grain of what the USA was founded for.
Bush & his republican buddies supposedly favor small government but ever since 9/11 some of the largest concentrations of bureaucratic power ever have been taking place. Americans want socialist controls and there are govt bureaucracies that are starting to rival their historic Soviet counterparts..
The US once was a proud nation, over the last decades it won the most massive conflict ever between industrial modes of organisation. State controlled fascism & socialism lost to state guided capitalism. But now americans are afraid of anything, loosing jobs, crime, drugs, foreign whatevers.
People who earn a lot of money usually are positive empowered people who have drive and initiative and yet they have to pay to cater for the ones that might prefer the soviet union over the US?
Slashdot Mirror
It does explain why neo looked so stunned after waking up from the pill and seeing all these thousands of humans in their pods. "wow, efficient!!!!"
Or installing openoffice.org :)
These usually arent very complex apps but usually just stuff slapped together to download alcohol data from mobile alcohol content readers into some DBF file. Pretty basic stuff. Moving such apps to linux offers great potential for data integration.
You'd have to wonder if that food was secure, had no bugs and was free of worms...
I would call openoffice of pretty ok quality. It is quite bloated, true, but not as much as ms office. Also it runs on linux, osx and windows, to name a few OS, and on dozens of processors. That makes it an interesting choice. As a side note I love how you can load MS powerpoint into ooffice impress and convert them to flash. Neat-o!
OpenOffice really is all the office most people need. And all that for a pretty good price.
How many of those companies will be capable of cleaning 14,000 houses?
10, maybe 1000 of them? People are willing to earn money!
HP is I believe since their aquisition of compaq larger than IBM. Apart from HPs own HPUX unix they also have all the expertise of DEC (digital equipment corporation) which was a HUGE unix company before Compaq bought them. Not to mention Compaqs expertise in the unix field. All in all HP would have been able to support this.
You say "you assume that there is another company out there willing & able to take that sort of thing on". I know dozens of companies in this town that would come and clean my house, toilet, and do really crappy stuff if I paid them to do it... Supporting linux is kind of fun, unlike cleaning my toilet.
If IBM wsnt in the picture HP might have been. You haven't recently read about industry wide linux adoption or you might have realized this also, maybe?
Have you ever used google?
You can actually customize KDE to kiosk mode so employees cant run anything other than what you want them to run AND you save a lot of overhead in the process by not loading libs you dont need. KDE 3.1 is very very flexible that way, have you used it?
Adopting linux also creates opportunities for local companies to service, support and create for the new linux ecology created by such an institutional adoption.
Its not unlike creating an airport where you certainly wouldnt want a (foreign) company to get money out of pretty much everything going on at that airport.
I don't think Microsoft can afford to alienate foreign customers any more than it has done already. They have to shift to having the interests of their customers at heart more or this Munich tale will have be the first amongst many.
I think this pretty much is the winning argument in the councils decision to go with linux, MS just employs Germans, it doesnt bring them any profits or software and new business growth prospect. Now you give the ground to a wide array of companies both internal and external to compete for apps on the desktop rather than to give the whole shebang to one company. It creates a microclimate for a linux economy in Munich that will probably grow as linux itself is more widely adopted.
Of course it isnt criminal its just rude. And can be fixed easily.
Yes it makes perfect sense for a city government to want to see more tax payer money to go back to the tax payer, IBM will earn a lot of this money but plenty will go to Suse and lots to local companies who have to deal with the practicalities of this decision. Like installing openoffice in and around munich.
Perhaps slashdot should seriously consider mirroring screenies before posting stories such as these.. two days ago pretty much brought down that server hosting the new evolution screenies, now this one isnt responding either. Some solution should be found for this or slashdot just punishes those it wants to bring news about..
Well maybe we shouldnt forget its an Australian article maybe the Sheilas dont have any rights :)
Are we supposed to guess women aren't affected by this? Maybe the study isnt sexist but the article covering it sure is...
It will validate 64bit desktop computing for graphics people; photo editing, movie editing, movie compression, sound stuff.
I think apple will be very able to recapture many if not most of the graphics pros that went intel.
And if the article makes one good point it is that a low end "wintel" is fast enough for anything you can throw at it except high end games.
Intel boxes commoditizing, apple gaining status as the high end PC for media applications.
Interesting times!
Their software may have more capability than Linux--I think it does, especially for end users.
Depends on how you see it and how you define Linux. Considering the large distros all come with a free office, free dev tools, free sql, web, etc servers and tons of other free stuff, as opposed to MS which will charge you tons-o-cash for just their sql server...
GIMP isnt as capable as photoshop but photoshop isnt free and GIMP does what most people need an image ap to do.
I'm a totally happy kmail user too. And if there wasnt kmail theres always evolution...
emacs!!
the problem with asking slashdot is that you rarely get answers to your questions but boatloads of more or less interesting semi relevant chatter instead!
That would be a nice feature.
I just dont know about Andreesen, all these 'innovations' they (netscape) had planned would have bested what ms, moz, konqueror, opera and all the other dev teams came up with ever since? browser are like cars: got 4 wheels, moves over a surface, easy to use, not too expensive. Loads of people in the 50s could have sworn we'd all have flying cars at this point in time. Maybe he's still unhappy about the fate of VRML!
Try mozilla firebird and all the great plugins available for it, tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, popup blocking...
And no spyware/adware, and it runs on windows and more platforms.
I guess Andreesen when talking about all the innovations he "had in mind" he meant tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, popup blocking... I guess he was lucky to be in netscape at the time, most of what he did afterwards kind of failed miserably.
It might just be that OSX will compete with KDE and Gnome, not with linux...
I run KDE 3.1 on a 400 mhz G4 powerbook and it is very speedy and extremely good. I cant imagine what a 64 bit linux will do on a dual 2.0ghz ibm apple other than blow everyone away!
How will this help boeing against Airbus A380? This new plane is a midsizer thatll just help you hop between midsized airports where you'll board the A380 for your final destination..
I can see that people want that security but that security is a socialist security and goes right against the grain of what the USA was founded for.
Bush & his republican buddies supposedly favor small government but ever since 9/11 some of the largest concentrations of bureaucratic power ever have been taking place. Americans want socialist controls and there are govt bureaucracies that are starting to rival their historic Soviet counterparts..
The US once was a proud nation, over the last decades it won the most massive conflict ever between industrial modes of organisation. State controlled fascism & socialism lost to state guided capitalism. But now americans are afraid of anything, loosing jobs, crime, drugs, foreign whatevers.
People who earn a lot of money usually are positive empowered people who have drive and initiative and yet they have to pay to cater for the ones that might prefer the soviet union over the US?