The sad part is that the NSA itself already was far ahead developing a secure OS that would do just fine for the dept of HS. Instead tax monies go to bill gates and his dancing monkeys.
It's time the government started to realize its own linux version has been developed to preclude vulnerabilities such as these that are caused mostly by sloppy programming.
Nokia used to be a logging company. They started to make communications eqpt that could survive the Finnish climate to keep remote logging ops in contact. The rest is history:)
R&D is being exported to the orient as well, both China and India have highly qualified people that are employable for a fraction of the cost (and competitive at the frontier of their expertise). And they are employed in R&D by western companies. The "job" that remains in the west is shareholder, investor, and in services (like cleaner of toilets). Unless wages here go down.
I think you'll have to look at something like a 400mhz celeron or pentium 2 for comparison. Price hence will be very very low. Midori is an excellent distribution, less demanding even than redhat 6.2 so if you run icewm on it you'll have a very good speed.
People don't need much, we use office / openoffice because everyone else does. In China they can do their own thing with less bloated simple tools. Like a spruced up xedit. Such a system wont need more than a 10gb harddisk if even that.
Will be interesting to see what they pick as a browser and email client.
Ballpark guess at cost would be between $125 and $175 (w/o monitor). Depending on memory, drives, multimedia, etc.
I totally agree with your analogy. Funny you mention a red flag because red flag linux will probably be one of the largest forces in the commoditization of the operating system. Microsoft created the commodity (windows & office) and Linux makes it work almost exactly the same way but for zero money.
People want the OS to be invisible. People still consider Bill Gates a geek. Geeks are those that try to brand or otherwise are emotional about software. That's really the big difference between cars and software, in userland a car is defined by its brand. In software... stuff just has to work and hopefully the same but better/faster than a previous version. Outside the minds of developers developers developers and their lead tribal dancers software has no sex appeal.
Linux is very close to XP now, in many areas redhat, suse and mandrake have surpassed it. Whatever OS MS comes up with next will be surpassed by linux in a year. And from there on Linux will have the momentum on the desktop. It could easily take a decade or more for MS to go below 50% desktops but it's pretty much unavoidable.
Home users run windows because it comes pre-installed. Like C=64 users had to learn ROM BASIC because thats what the system booted into.
The perception is that linux is too difficult for most non-geeks. Reality is different. Winxp is preinstalled. Suse's desktop edition has less hardware issues (signed drivers anyone) and an easier install than winxp - knoppix boots into a full OS from cd.
This may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on Slashdot
Don't you start a career in politics. Starting your argument with such an opener makes you look like a arrogant smartass sob. Very annoying behaviour. Besides the poster is making an interesting point...
Kind of says it all - the older, open standard (NFS) is replaced by the closed source less capable alternative (NFS had to support a multi user environment from the start) and yet the latter dominates the market so becomes de facto standard.
But thats the market at work.. The only alternative would be to legislate open standards which would then become practically unalterable...
They were heavily in use in WW2, the polish cavalry charged the german cavalry.. on horseback (while german cavalry was tanks) and lateron in the game the Germans were extremely low on fuel so they used a huge number of horses for supply trains and lateron withdrawal.
The days of innovation and competition are over. Maybe in the US, maybe in Europe.. I don't see it really spreading beyond that. I think open source will continue to flourish in countries where companies cannot strangle innovation. I don't think its possible to terminate any large open source project through the courts or legislature of any country. It would require a global legislative effort that would crack down on the internet as it is now and turn it into something like TV.
I hope things work out for you, being the target of FUD is no fun!
ms and sun "licensed unix from sco" - i think they gave sco some money to play with without getting their own hands dirty. Hey ah wait, thats plausible deniability like in the Mafia! heh
Frank Herbert would say "large bureaucracies hamper and stifle development" because anything new threatens their existence. Any free energy would bring oil companies crashing down, and free software can bring microsoft down. Gates runs a huge bureaucracy and especially the GPL is a massive threat.
Open Source projects are the opposite of bureaucratic, they flourish, grow and decline according to their popularity.
Too bad really that TCP/IP and the many BSD tools weren't released under the GPL... or MS wouldn't be singing these tunes.
Sony is Japanese, Royal Dutch Phillips is well.. Dutch. "Overseas" depends on what see you're over, I guess.
MS makes HUGE margins on its software partially because it is a (convicted) monopolist. If you have the clout to force all hardware manufacturers to ship your OS and pay your tax, well you're bound to be profitable. I wouldnt call a convicted company a "great" american company would you..
What if you have a company with hundreds of workers, you developed a piece of code, you patent it, you show it to another company (assuming non disclosure and all). Then that other company won't buy or license it. But they use it anyway, and put it in most of their brand name products.
Wouldnt you seek legal redress if you could? There is a real difference between this and SCO, SCO hasn't shown us evidence of their ownership of code, these guys apparently have convinced a judge in 30 out of 33 cases that their patent should be enforced.
Does anyone have a followup on that story? It seems only logical to put a restraining order on anyone or anything that tries what appears to be blackmail or extortion.
WHy do they sue doubleclick? When benneton had an 'inappropriate' billboard at some time benneton had to fix it, not the ad agency nor the billboard owner... crazy stuff..
Check out IBM's website to see who they partner with - they already have linux running on power4 processors. afaik its redhat & suse but I dont know if thats across the line.
One thing I dont believe is that you can run OSX on this box in any meaningful way (faster than on an apple), I have to bet that theres a contract between Apple & IBM about IBM not competing with Apple.. Maybe OSX won't be optimized for anything over 2 processors.
You'd have to give up some, Linux/KDE 3.1 on my TI powerbook is much faster than OSX - so when I have email, IM, a webbrowser (konq/safari) etc open the Linux/KDE combo beats the OSX combo. In stuff like screen updates and responsiveness.
If i want more raw speed I start up in fluxbox or another wm with less overhead than KDE. Like the guy said, he wants to be productive, and Xwindows gives him that productivity out of the box. If he would go your path he would get huge slowdowns (have you ever tried loading an X11 app on top of OSX?)
It would be very beneficial to Apple to watch KDE even closer and employ more of its methods (they already use konq). The many customizations can be hidden in an advanced configuration manager.
Have you ever tried to run linux/xwindows on ppc? it's really simple, you can try mandrake 9.2, very nice and speedy distro.
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The sad part is that the NSA itself already was far ahead developing a secure OS that would do just fine for the dept of HS. Instead tax monies go to bill gates and his dancing monkeys.
It's time the government started to realize its own linux version has been developed to preclude vulnerabilities such as these that are caused mostly by sloppy programming.
Nokia used to be a logging company. They started to make communications eqpt that could survive the Finnish climate to keep remote logging ops in contact. The rest is history :)
R&D is being exported to the orient as well, both China and India have highly qualified people that are employable for a fraction of the cost (and competitive at the frontier of their expertise). And they are employed in R&D by western companies. The "job" that remains in the west is shareholder, investor, and in services (like cleaner of toilets). Unless wages here go down.
And the small memory footprint / optimized nature. It's a pretty tight distro, very good for older hardware.
People don't need much, we use office / openoffice because everyone else does. In China they can do their own thing with less bloated simple tools. Like a spruced up xedit. Such a system wont need more than a 10gb harddisk if even that.
Will be interesting to see what they pick as a browser and email client.
Ballpark guess at cost would be between $125 and $175 (w/o monitor). Depending on memory, drives, multimedia, etc.
People want the OS to be invisible. People still consider Bill Gates a geek. Geeks are those that try to brand or otherwise are emotional about software. That's really the big difference between cars and software, in userland a car is defined by its brand. In software... stuff just has to work and hopefully the same but better/faster than a previous version. Outside the minds of developers developers developers and their lead tribal dancers software has no sex appeal.
Linux is very close to XP now, in many areas redhat, suse and mandrake have surpassed it. Whatever OS MS comes up with next will be surpassed by linux in a year. And from there on Linux will have the momentum on the desktop. It could easily take a decade or more for MS to go below 50% desktops but it's pretty much unavoidable.
The perception is that linux is too difficult for most non-geeks. Reality is different. Winxp is preinstalled. Suse's desktop edition has less hardware issues (signed drivers anyone) and an easier install than winxp - knoppix boots into a full OS from cd.
Don't you start a career in politics. Starting your argument with such an opener makes you look like a arrogant smartass sob. Very annoying behaviour. Besides the poster is making an interesting point...
But thats the market at work.. The only alternative would be to legislate open standards which would then become practically unalterable...
horses were still used for some purposes in WWI
They were heavily in use in WW2, the polish cavalry charged the german cavalry .. on horseback (while german cavalry was tanks) and lateron in the game the Germans were extremely low on fuel so they used a huge number of horses for supply trains and lateron withdrawal.
Check out the extension of that article, and that for a Seattle newspaper! :)
I hope things work out for you, being the target of FUD is no fun!
ms and sun "licensed unix from sco" - i think they gave sco some money to play with without getting their own hands dirty. Hey ah wait, thats plausible deniability like in the Mafia! heh
Open Source projects are the opposite of bureaucratic, they flourish, grow and decline according to their popularity.
Too bad really that TCP/IP and the many BSD tools weren't released under the GPL... or MS wouldn't be singing these tunes.
Sony is Japanese, Royal Dutch Phillips is well.. Dutch. "Overseas" depends on what see you're over, I guess.
MS makes HUGE margins on its software partially because it is a (convicted) monopolist. If you have the clout to force all hardware manufacturers to ship your OS and pay your tax, well you're bound to be profitable. I wouldnt call a convicted company a "great" american company would you..
You could say that earthlink sells it as a service, part of the package to its subscribers..
Wouldnt you seek legal redress if you could? There is a real difference between this and SCO, SCO hasn't shown us evidence of their ownership of code, these guys apparently have convinced a judge in 30 out of 33 cases that their patent should be enforced.
Does anyone have a followup on that story? It seems only logical to put a restraining order on anyone or anything that tries what appears to be blackmail or extortion.
WHy do they sue doubleclick? When benneton had an 'inappropriate' billboard at some time benneton had to fix it, not the ad agency nor the billboard owner... crazy stuff..
Check out IBM's website to see who they partner with - they already have linux running on power4 processors. afaik its redhat & suse but I dont know if thats across the line.
One thing I dont believe is that you can run OSX on this box in any meaningful way (faster than on an apple), I have to bet that theres a contract between Apple & IBM about IBM not competing with Apple.. Maybe OSX won't be optimized for anything over 2 processors.
Yes just stick in your windows boot cd and.... oops windows only hobbles on i86 :(
If i want more raw speed I start up in fluxbox or another wm with less overhead than KDE. Like the guy said, he wants to be productive, and Xwindows gives him that productivity out of the box. If he would go your path he would get huge slowdowns (have you ever tried loading an X11 app on top of OSX?)
It would be very beneficial to Apple to watch KDE even closer and employ more of its methods (they already use konq). The many customizations can be hidden in an advanced configuration manager.
Have you ever tried to run linux/xwindows on ppc? it's really simple, you can try mandrake 9.2, very nice and speedy distro.
If youre concerned about psychopaths in management read this article and google for the author of Bully in Sight, Tim Field.