Also most high tech mil & NASA applications are written by highly competent engineers, with library functions usually written in assembler. And most applications don't need a GUI. So even a 386 is a powerhouse processor for most their applications. I remember with the last hubble service mission they replaced a 386 at a time when pentium processors were available.
Also especially in space based engineering power requirements are critical.
They are actually "entrusting vital systems to an OS that" they can have total control over themselves.
"They are learning through experience" that win2k is not stable enough for their purposes and that the "high quality OS for free" is good enough for IBM, Dell and HP. Since DARPA has a large core of UNIX programmers Linux is pretty much the obvious choice. The initial choice for win2k probably went against the grain of DARPA developers to begin with.
"Where else than in OSS land do you get anything for basicly nothing?" Sunlight and stellar fusion is the basis of all energy on our planet. Nobody charges for that. Except those who have monopolized energy.
> I would like to thank ESR for putting this book on the web, free of charge.
I second that. I would also hope some ACs here will, when they are done flaming ESR, link to their own programming and writing accomplishments on the web. Unfortunately slashdot seems to become a haven for bitter underachieving little minds who have nothing better to do than be bitter and belittle the achievements of great people like ESR, Torvalds, de Raadt and (you wish you could dance like) Ballmer!
The increasing level of negativity on slashdot is appaling.
Well I mean a full "understanding" of UNIX. He does have that, not just from a technical perspective. Few people write about the impact of operating systems on society, or the 'mode of thought' behind unix. I think his zealotry is the healthy kind, but that's because I subscribe to the 'unix philosophy'.
It's annoying to wake up from being a unix programmer and enter a reality in which clean almost zen like computing practises are sacrificed on the altar of money. While many people might consider that "the real world", it is much nicer to be a high priest of unix in the remote vastness of bell labs or MIT, far removed from the rat race where shareholders want results yesterday.
He is more of a philosopher than a programmer but he fully understands the subject matter. ESR certainly is one of the leading lights in the open source movement.
If you've ever shoppped at IKEA then you've had to pretty much walk through their entire store because they have a path you follow and you get to see everything they have. There are shortcuts but most people just follow the path that's been laid out for them. Once a shop lures you in there's no benefit at all making it easy for you to find what you came to buy. Milk & bread all the way at the back of the store, kiddie stuff at the kiddie eye & grasp level. They got us figured out.
People like to point to the past and say oh well when we invented the wheel everyone who had to carry stuff around found another job, like making carts.
The problem in this day & age is that jobs in manufacturing, IT and some services are being exported, and there are signs that low pay services jobs in fast food and retail are being slowly phased out by machines.
"there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks."
It's not as if nobody else was doing that work before the cashiers were displaced. It's not like with computers keeping a tally of whats being taken from shelves computers cannot route people stocking shelves much more efficiently. It's not like machines cannot cut and pack salami or that there aren't robots being developed that can clean without supervision (roomba is just the beginning). The trend clearly is towards saving big by having fewer employees.
If there are new jobs to employ all these people who only have a high school education, someone please point them out. Apparently the army needs 10,000 more soldiers but with 6% registered unemployment in the US (and who knows what the real percentage of unamployed is) that's not going to help much.
I doubt that would ever happen. Replacing people with automata will put those people out of a job, not just in supermarkets but also at fast food places and at other equally simple service jobs. They certainly won't be moved to other tasks because those tasks either are already being fulfilled or also being phased out. The bottom line counts when you have to compete on price and keep shareholders happy.
You should get a girlfriend.
You are already so full of hatred, you try so hard to undermine other people's enthausiasm. Because of your own despair. Your inability to feel joy in anything.
You are too young for such hatred, far too young for such nihilism and self destructiveness.
Your lacking ability to express yourself could become a danger to society. And you will do something stupid and end up in a federal pen. There you will then learn the hard facts of life. It'll be too late for you then. So act now, turn your life around!
Bill Gates can't think of applications where you would need more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory!
Is he new? In 10 years there will be applications SCREAMING for it because they use complex models, 3d rendering and high definition graphics and video. Not just games. Poster below me mentions celestia which is a perfect example of a program developing a pretty much insatiable appetite for computing resources.
Longhorn delayed until 2006, longhorn server until 2007.. Microsoft will have to move to 64 bits before the end of the decade. Otherwise people will move to OSX or linux.
Enter this in the kwrite or kate file open dialogue:
sftp://root@host.dom/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts/
If you have you ssh session keys installed in the remote/root/.ssh/ it will open the directory in your kate/kde editor file open dialogue and you can edit your apache vhosts.
Yummie php syntax highlighting in kate. Hit save and your changes are saved over the network. Bookmark/home/user/www/ in the file browser if you go there often.
KDE 3 kicks all other desktops in a heap called 'obsolete' just for the incredible power you get dealing with remote hosts over ssh/sftp. I love gnome and its looks but they so badly need something like KDE's KIO file handling.
Mandrake has always been the nr 1 KDE distribution. And the most popular distribution for desktop use. Linux journalism seem not to see beyond Redhat and Suse in the "enterprise" and for the desktop and debian as the cutting edge. But Mandrake is the top desktop linux, has a great enterprise offering and mandrake cooker is arguably the most user friendly cutting edge in linux.
And what OS are they using? I haven't read about that anywhere but I would venture to guess it's some commodity os (linux) they don't need to mention. And yes at 80% efficiency they have to use altivec optimalization.. if it's gcc hopefully we'll see better altivec support sooner rather than later.
The only-stupid-people-don't-patch excuse doesn't work, when there are literally hundreds or thousands of unknown exploitable bugs in Windows...
I've been using linux since the redhat 5.x series and year by year more vulns and exploits are discovered. I felt like a microsoft drone when I had to patch openssh twice within the same (last) month. I've had to patch mysql a few times... True enough I really don't have to patch a lot compared to admins who admin win2k/xp but I bet my kmail email client has a few holes not to mention all the other stuff I run on linux. As it gets more popular more holes are uncovered and more patching needs to be done.
No matter what OS you run you have to patch asap. If you don't you are at the mercy of people who will hijack and use your resources for distributed computing or worse. That happens to a lot of linux machines as well.
It does amaze me that MS is not going to release an MSIE until longhorn comes out, that theyre not going to fix the stupid css layout problems they have, that theyre not hot on fixing the known vulns in MSIE. That theyre not going to implement popup blocking or tabbed browsing.. Most people will continue to use MSIE anyway and they (MS) know it. It's broken, so why fix it?:)
Yeah people generally are stupid and don't patch, dont download mozilla-firebird, don't use linux. Even if they used rh9 they wouldn't use up2date or would let their demo account expire.
I don't see that MS has a future really in the long term as an OS & Office company. They won't be able to compete. So while I pretty much agree with everything you said people probably won't look after their OS security until the OS will simply patch without being asked.
see http://www.jabber.org - they have the server & some pretty ok documentation avail on their site. You can also create an account there and on several other public servers.
I'm still logged in through gaim..and was able to communicate with a friends just now.. not sure what will happen if I reconnect and at this time not willing to try either:)
And in another FOURTY years (good morning UK:) they're predicted to be well ahead of the pack economically. Kind of pointless to belittle their achievements.
China has been taking jobs from manufacturing and now from R&D and IT. They're on a fast track program to seriously compete in space. They don't have democratic controls and thick headed senators undermining their space program, they don't have any serious labour protection laws, nothing in their way yet and for the next few decades to stop them. And they do have the drive and funding. Funding a great part of which is coming from us.
Listen to yourself, "welcome china to the '60's." And then you wake up and notice how Goldman Sachs predicts China to overtake the US economically in 2039 "Within four years China will have overtaken Germany; Japan by 2015 and crossed the US by 2039 to become the world's largest economy ( All in U.S dollar terms)"
You seriously believe this could have been a hoax? What they called a space flight manual simply is a kind of checklist they repeat so often until they can recite it after just having woken up, just like Nasa astronauts.
This guy has been in space and did a great many orbits, many more than Gagarin or Shepard in theirs. Shepards run was suborbital. In 1962 Glenn took his vehicle for 3 spins around the earth. Yang is 21 hours, 14 orbits.
I'm kind of amazed by the nationalist drivel around this. We don't hear a lot from the PLA's propaganda machine but this is almost back to the 60's.. "I feel proud of my motherland," pretty uncool.
Sounds like the PLA is as
>Does anyone think they will sit and watch it happen.
In Europe that's pretty much what they'll have to be doing unless they develop a large enough lobby to overthrow the current legislation. Which is unlikely because Europeans can call the US for something like 5 eurocents a minute thanks to deregulation of the long distance industry. (Whomever is in the EU and paying more should hook up with a better company) Overturning that would be fairly impopular with the electorate.
The problem is that ex monopolies like the French telco (> 70b euro deb) or Dutch telco (>50b eur debt) might not survive it so euros will probably pay for it in salvation tax....
At the moment skype is in beta. I'm thinking they're unsure what to do with it. If they were to open the standard they could be giving away the goose with the golden eggs.
The technology is awesome. I was on the phone from Europe with a colleague in the US, he called me because I wasn't on Skype. Then I booted into windows, started up skype and while still on the regular phone talked over skype as well. The skype signal arrives much faster and is of a much higher quality. Naturally it has everything to do with latency and the compression algorythm used but skype is of superior quality compared to regular phone for calls between pretty much any broadband user worldwide.
The cost is the broadband connection which we would have regardless. It's the windows license which most people would have paid for regardless (and it works just fine on win98).
I would much rather use an open protocol that I could run on my linux workstation but that would require windows users on the other end to adopt a firewall ruleset that is MUCH too liberal.
I don't think skype will charge for the basic client any time soon, if ever. That would depress their market share immediately. They could easily charge for a more extended client that does voice mail, forwarding, conferencing. And charge for server solutions so that companies can route skype calls. Once/if skype gathers enough momentum that is a HUGE market to serve and it'll only work if they keep the protocol either closed or available under a restrictive license.
>> 30% in UFOs (NSF study)
>I believe in UFOs. I just don't believe that they are extraterrestrial.
I've had someone tell me in confidence that he had seen a UFO. It's someone who'se opinion I had learned to respect and scientific integrity to trust. I've had to suspend disbelief on that and I really don't know what to think. From his description of its movement and total lack of respect for impulse & momentum... I'd rather believe it's aliens than not:/
It's also pretty much his experience (I think he's a bit embarassed that he told me) that makes me dislike debunking so much. We after all live in a fascinating universe on an expanding scientific discovery. There are marvels to be discovered and enjoyed if we keep our minds open enough to see them.
... (I had been calculating how much the avg taxpayer has to contribute to Bush's war and his 'tax cut' and it's a rather appaling figure)...
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Also especially in space based engineering power requirements are critical.
They are actually "entrusting vital systems to an OS that" they can have total control over themselves. "They are learning through experience" that win2k is not stable enough for their purposes and that the "high quality OS for free" is good enough for IBM, Dell and HP. Since DARPA has a large core of UNIX programmers Linux is pretty much the obvious choice. The initial choice for win2k probably went against the grain of DARPA developers to begin with. "Where else than in OSS land do you get anything for basicly nothing?" Sunlight and stellar fusion is the basis of all energy on our planet. Nobody charges for that. Except those who have monopolized energy.
and you cheaply posting your derogatory comments as AC forget to take part in any serious discourse.
The increasing level of negativity on slashdot is appaling.
It's annoying to wake up from being a unix programmer and enter a reality in which clean almost zen like computing practises are sacrificed on the altar of money. While many people might consider that "the real world", it is much nicer to be a high priest of unix in the remote vastness of bell labs or MIT, far removed from the rat race where shareholders want results yesterday.
:)
He is more of a philosopher than a programmer but he fully understands the subject matter. ESR certainly is one of the leading lights in the open source movement.
And it's that user friendliness that virus/trojan/worm authors have come to appreciate over the last decade.
If you've ever shoppped at IKEA then you've had to pretty much walk through their entire store because they have a path you follow and you get to see everything they have. There are shortcuts but most people just follow the path that's been laid out for them. Once a shop lures you in there's no benefit at all making it easy for you to find what you came to buy. Milk & bread all the way at the back of the store, kiddie stuff at the kiddie eye & grasp level. They got us figured out.
People like to point to the past and say oh well when we invented the wheel everyone who had to carry stuff around found another job, like making carts.
The problem in this day & age is that jobs in manufacturing, IT and some services are being exported, and there are signs that low pay services jobs in fast food and retail are being slowly phased out by machines.
"there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks."
It's not as if nobody else was doing that work before the cashiers were displaced. It's not like with computers keeping a tally of whats being taken from shelves computers cannot route people stocking shelves much more efficiently. It's not like machines cannot cut and pack salami or that there aren't robots being developed that can clean without supervision (roomba is just the beginning). The trend clearly is towards saving big by having fewer employees.
If there are new jobs to employ all these people who only have a high school education, someone please point them out. Apparently the army needs 10,000 more soldiers but with 6% registered unemployment in the US (and who knows what the real percentage of unamployed is) that's not going to help much.
I doubt that would ever happen. Replacing people with automata will put those people out of a job, not just in supermarkets but also at fast food places and at other equally simple service jobs. They certainly won't be moved to other tasks because those tasks either are already being fulfilled or also being phased out. The bottom line counts when you have to compete on price and keep shareholders happy.
He said that in the interview. RTFI
You are already so full of hatred, you try so hard to undermine other people's enthausiasm. Because of your own despair. Your inability to feel joy in anything.
You are too young for such hatred, far too young for such nihilism and self destructiveness.
Your lacking ability to express yourself could become a danger to society. And you will do something stupid and end up in a federal pen. There you will then learn the hard facts of life. It'll be too late for you then. So act now, turn your life around!
Is he new? In 10 years there will be applications SCREAMING for it because they use complex models, 3d rendering and high definition graphics and video. Not just games. Poster below me mentions celestia which is a perfect example of a program developing a pretty much insatiable appetite for computing resources.
Longhorn delayed until 2006, longhorn server until 2007.. Microsoft will have to move to 64 bits before the end of the decade. Otherwise people will move to OSX or linux.
sftp://root@host.dom/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts/
If you have you ssh session keys installed in the remote /root/.ssh/ it will open the directory in your kate/kde editor file open dialogue and you can edit your apache vhosts.
sftp://user@host.dom/home/user/www/site/document .php
Yummie php syntax highlighting in kate. Hit save and your changes are saved over the network. Bookmark /home/user/www/ in the file browser if you go there often.
KDE 3 kicks all other desktops in a heap called 'obsolete' just for the incredible power you get dealing with remote hosts over ssh/sftp. I love gnome and its looks but they so badly need something like KDE's KIO file handling.
Mandrake has always been the nr 1 KDE distribution. And the most popular distribution for desktop use. Linux journalism seem not to see beyond Redhat and Suse in the "enterprise" and for the desktop and debian as the cutting edge. But Mandrake is the top desktop linux, has a great enterprise offering and mandrake cooker is arguably the most user friendly cutting edge in linux.
Vive la mandrake!
Well that changes my perception. at first I just considered it a big blue supercomputer but ... the 2nd fastest supercomputer on the planet runs OSX!
And what OS are they using? I haven't read about that anywhere but I would venture to guess it's some commodity os (linux) they don't need to mention. And yes at 80% efficiency they have to use altivec optimalization .. if it's gcc hopefully we'll see better altivec support sooner rather than later.
I've been using linux since the redhat 5.x series and year by year more vulns and exploits are discovered. I felt like a microsoft drone when I had to patch openssh twice within the same (last) month. I've had to patch mysql a few times... True enough I really don't have to patch a lot compared to admins who admin win2k/xp but I bet my kmail email client has a few holes not to mention all the other stuff I run on linux. As it gets more popular more holes are uncovered and more patching needs to be done.
No matter what OS you run you have to patch asap. If you don't you are at the mercy of people who will hijack and use your resources for distributed computing or worse. That happens to a lot of linux machines as well.
It does amaze me that MS is not going to release an MSIE until longhorn comes out, that theyre not going to fix the stupid css layout problems they have, that theyre not hot on fixing the known vulns in MSIE. That theyre not going to implement popup blocking or tabbed browsing.. Most people will continue to use MSIE anyway and they (MS) know it. It's broken, so why fix it? :)
Yeah people generally are stupid and don't patch, dont download mozilla-firebird, don't use linux. Even if they used rh9 they wouldn't use up2date or would let their demo account expire.
I don't see that MS has a future really in the long term as an OS & Office company. They won't be able to compete. So while I pretty much agree with everything you said people probably won't look after their OS security until the OS will simply patch without being asked.
see http://www.jabber.org - they have the server & some pretty ok documentation avail on their site. You can also create an account there and on several other public servers.
I'm still logged in through gaim..and was able to communicate with a friends just now.. not sure what will happen if I reconnect and at this time not willing to try either :)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=U TF-8&q=goldman+sachs+%22The+Path+to+2050%22&btnG=G oogle+Search
Listen to yourself, "welcome china to the '60's." And then you wake up and notice how Goldman Sachs predicts China to overtake the US economically in 2039 "Within four years China will have overtaken Germany; Japan by 2015 and crossed the US by 2039 to become the world's largest economy ( All in U.S dollar terms)"
http://www.business-standard.com/today/story.asp?M enu=26&story=25146M 3&menuId=242&menuItemId=2825&xml=%2Fmoney%2F2003%2 F10%2F12%2Fccecag12.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?grid=
This guy has been in space and did a great many orbits, many more than Gagarin or Shepard in theirs. Shepards run was suborbital. In 1962 Glenn took his vehicle for 3 spins around the earth. Yang is 21 hours, 14 orbits.
I'm kind of amazed by the nationalist drivel around this. We don't hear a lot from the PLA's propaganda machine but this is almost back to the 60's.. "I feel proud of my motherland," pretty uncool. Sounds like the PLA is as
In Europe that's pretty much what they'll have to be doing unless they develop a large enough lobby to overthrow the current legislation. Which is unlikely because Europeans can call the US for something like 5 eurocents a minute thanks to deregulation of the long distance industry. (Whomever is in the EU and paying more should hook up with a better company) Overturning that would be fairly impopular with the electorate.
The problem is that ex monopolies like the French telco (> 70b euro deb) or Dutch telco (>50b eur debt) might not survive it so euros will probably pay for it in salvation tax....
The technology is awesome. I was on the phone from Europe with a colleague in the US, he called me because I wasn't on Skype. Then I booted into windows, started up skype and while still on the regular phone talked over skype as well. The skype signal arrives much faster and is of a much higher quality. Naturally it has everything to do with latency and the compression algorythm used but skype is of superior quality compared to regular phone for calls between pretty much any broadband user worldwide.
The cost is the broadband connection which we would have regardless. It's the windows license which most people would have paid for regardless (and it works just fine on win98).
I would much rather use an open protocol that I could run on my linux workstation but that would require windows users on the other end to adopt a firewall ruleset that is MUCH too liberal.
I don't think skype will charge for the basic client any time soon, if ever. That would depress their market share immediately. They could easily charge for a more extended client that does voice mail, forwarding, conferencing. And charge for server solutions so that companies can route skype calls. Once/if skype gathers enough momentum that is a HUGE market to serve and it'll only work if they keep the protocol either closed or available under a restrictive license.
It'll be interesting to watch for sure!
It's also pretty much his experience (I think he's a bit embarassed that he told me) that makes me dislike debunking so much. We after all live in a fascinating universe on an expanding scientific discovery. There are marvels to be discovered and enjoyed if we keep our minds open enough to see them.
... (I had been calculating how much the avg taxpayer has to contribute to Bush's war and his 'tax cut' and it's a rather appaling figure)...