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Shopping Carts Go Wi-Fi

agentk writes "The Boston Globe reports today that area supermarket Stop & Shop is adding computers with Bluetooth barcode scanners, 802.11 networking and infrared positional sensors to shopping carts in one of its stores. 'The Shopping Buddy automatically displays which aisle you're in, what's on sale there, and what you bought the last time you strolled through.' Most Stop & Shop stores already have automated self-checkout lanes. Is this the future of shopping? What will the impact be on privacy, the cash economy, and the experience of shopping in general?"

246 comments

  1. Re:Bah, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was WebVan, basically. Apparently not enough of you were satisfied then, either.

  2. The real "danger" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is when they start dynamically altering prices second to second based on your past purchases, and those of other consumers recently. I wouldn't be surprised if laws are passed saying stores aren't allowed to customize prices.

    1. Re:The real "danger" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They would *only* alter prices to send more money to the Boston Choke Sox. It's a worthy cause, since they need all the help they can get.

    2. Re:The real "danger" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errr....you do know that they can check inventory and keep track of what sells and what doesn't, don't you?

      This would, of course, give them finer grained control, but I wouldn't head over for Reynold's Wrap as the first aisle in your shopping trip just yet.

    3. Re:The real "danger" by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Informative
      They already do something similar now. A friend of mine who's hispanic was at Rainbow Foods in Minneapolis and noticed in the Hispanic foods isle that a container of Nestle Quik chocolate powder (labeled in spanish) cost a whole dollar more than the english version (which was exactly the same except with an english label) which was located a few isles down. Obviously they never intended someone to notice, or be able to do anything about it (as the people who would most likely buy the spanish version probably didn't speak english).

      She spoke to the on-duty manager (who was roughly 17) who obviously didn't give a shit, and nothing has been changed.

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    4. Re:The real "danger" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may need help - but they don't deserve any. The Boston Red Sux are made up of the most aragant assholes on the planet. Ever seen the SNL sketchs making fun of the couple from somewhere in New England? Real New Englanders are worse.

    5. Re:The real "danger" by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      Why should anything change? I'll tell you why it shouldn't.

      I spent the last nine years living outside the United States, in countries where English is not commonly spoken, and even less commonly spoken with any degree of proficiency. In one of those countries, I speak the local language at a business level, and in the other, my wife is a native speaker, so it wasn't a problem. I shopped in the local stores, bought what the locals bought, lived like a native, and paid prices like the locals pay.

      However, not everyone there can speak or read the local language (in one of them, it's not written in Roman letters, in the other, it's Roman letters plus a whole bunch of diacritics). For them, goods that are labeled in English and/or imported from their home country, are pretty important. And do you know what? You will pay more for goods labeled in English. Even if they are locally produced, you will pay more for them if they are labeled in English.

      Why is this so? There are two reasons. First, it simply costs more to have a product specially labeled in a language other than the default local language. In the United States, that default is English. Second, it's a value-add. If you can't read the local language and a vendor says "Hey, no problem, I'll label my products in your language, but it's going to cost you." people who need that service will (most of them) pay the cost rather than do with out.

      Because of that, I have no problem with a supermarket charging more for goods that are (re)labeled in Spanish, Korean, Vietnamese, or any other non-default language. It costs them more to do it that way, and they are providing a value-added service to to their customers.

      If I were that customer - and I was, for nine years - the extra cost of the value-add would give me added incentive to gain at least reading proficiency in the local language. Don't like paying $1 extra for a box of Nestle's Quick? No problem: learn to read the label in English and you won't.

      I learned to read labels in two other languages so that I could always pay the same price as the locals. Nobody here who can't read English has any right to be whining about the supermarket charging extra for the *service* of native-labeling.

      I don't know how things are in other states, but here in California, many products are labeled in both English and Spanish, and there's no extra charge. Or maybe there is, and the overall price goes up, causing people who can read English to subsidize those who can't. Draw your own conclusions about the justice of that.

    6. Re:The real "danger" by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      You mean they might want to treat it like a real "Market".... real time updated prices based on the ebb and flow of supply and demand?

      You know this already happens right? It's just that it's not cost effective to update the prices more than once a day. Every day I go into the store the prices have changed... whether they are on sale or the demand is high or whatever... every day the prices change.

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  3. BYOC by Phosphor3k · · Score: 2, Funny

    *equips tin-foil hat*

    Bring Your Own Cart.

    1. Re:BYOC by 69tang_* · · Score: 1

      That is pretty funny! Could you imagine people pulling up in front of the store and taking a shopping cart out of their car. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

  4. Privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, it will impact privacy. But is it really that important that some corporate big-wig knows what type of olive oil you purchase? Some chains employ "member cards" (Kroger Card, etc.)--we are members, and we still don't have a SWAT team knocking on our door because we bought twelve cans of Sprite, and not Pepsi.

    1. Re:privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no. Being able to *see* what you buy and linking it back to you specifically are two different things. They can only do that during checkout if you use the store card.

      But don't forget that most supermarket discounts are currently already tied to those store cards they give you. Choose not to use them and you're paying 20% more.

      I guess the option for the TFB crowd stays the same - use the cards (with or without the magic shopping carts) and provide false information on the store card form. And never pay by check, since the store card is usually also the check-cashing card.

      Of course, if you're part of the TFB crowd, you're already using cash or money orders for everything anyway.

    2. Re:privacy? by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Of course, most supermarket discount cards are given to you when you "apply" for them, and you could easily BS the entire application and no one would ever know.

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    3. Re:Privacy? by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      ... we still don't have a SWAT team knocking on our door because we bought twelve cans of Sprite, and not Pepsi.

      "George, you missed one!"

    4. Re:privacy? by thparker · · Score: 1

      Which I mentioned in my post, and also noted that most supermarket discount cards double as your check-cashing card. I'll say it again -- your 'solution' is fine as long as you never write checks at the supermarket.

  5. stop the unions, please by havaloc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did you see what the unions had to say about this technology? I'm sick and tired of the whining that 'It'll take away jobs.' I know I'd go to a store that has such a useful technology. I hate waiting in a checkout line so a union checker can check me out. I want to scan my items as I shop so I can leave quickly. Sure, self-checkout is ok, but this is even better.

    1. Re:stop the unions, please by Mortanius · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what jobs this shopping buddy is going to take away. Have you ever tried asking one of the Stop and Shop employees where something is? If you're lucky, you'll get one who actually speaks English, but even then they're typically not too helpful.

      I can see the point about losing cashiers to self-serve checkouts, but I know a number of people who don't use those things just because of the annoyance factor (why does the volume have to be cranked? Does anyone else get accused of shoplifting half the time? Ever notice that it takes the thing almost 15 seconds to figure out whether you need change or not?), and some for the neurotic big brother frascination. You're not going to get a grocery store run entirely on computers anytime in the near future, usability just isn't quite there yet.

    2. Re:stop the unions, please by MoonFog · · Score: 1

      "Weiner said the use of Shopping Buddies and self-checkout counters won't cost any jobs. For one thing, she said, Stop & Shop will always have some people ringing up purchases. "We're not looking to replace cashiers because it would eliminate part of the personality of our stores," said Weiner. For another, there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks."
      I agree on this .. Many supermarkets look very messy, and could use some cleaning. With this system, they could move the cashier over to cleaning up etc. IMHO it could create a cleaner look, help finding stuff when you need it, and getting filling the shelves quickly to ensure they're out of toilet paper when you arrive.

    3. Re:stop the unions, please by jcoy42 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I want to scan my items as I shop so I can leave quickly.
      You must have much better luck than I have. Items that don't scan take 3x as long when you have to wait for the self-service aid to clear the screen and do a hand entry of the price.. the joy of waiting on the two old twats who just can't seem to figure out how to scan their items.. and don't get me started on the frequently malconfigured "weight checking" bagging section, that stupid "incorrect item in basket area" line reminds me of clippy.

      If you didn't guess, I think those stupid things are a pain in the ass.

      Besides, if you're going to function as an employee (cashier), shouldn't there be an employee discount or something?

      Yeah, it's great when it works, but that seems to be the exception.
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    4. Re:stop the unions, please by sniggly · · Score: 1

      I doubt that would ever happen. Replacing people with automata will put those people out of a job, not just in supermarkets but also at fast food places and at other equally simple service jobs. They certainly won't be moved to other tasks because those tasks either are already being fulfilled or also being phased out. The bottom line counts when you have to compete on price and keep shareholders happy.

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    5. Re:stop the unions, please by danila · · Score: 1

      There are completely automated grocery stores in Switzerland. I've never tried one though. I would guess there are such stores in some other countries too.

      Another interesting question is what can be considered "near future". If it's 2-3 years, then you are right. If it's 5-10 years, then you are wrong. :) As simple as that. Brain might be crazy talking about robots taking away all jobs, but he have a point. A lot of things can be automated and they will be, trade unions or not.

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    6. Re:stop the unions, please by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      What I fail to understand--the self-checkout lines save, what, $8/hour in labor? Maybe add 50% for benefits etc--so they save $12/hour.

      Are you going to look me in the eye and tell me that a given store doesn't lose more than $12 in that same hour from customers "forgetting" to scan an item? I would think the shrink in these stores would go way up, and erode any of the savings acquired from reducing staff. But maybe that's just me and my black heart.

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    7. Re:stop the unions, please by Saeger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm sick and tired of the whining that 'It'll take away jobs.'

      Please post again when it's your job that has been automated away -- as eventually the vast majority will be -- and you find it difficult to find a new one because production has become so damn efficient that only a tiny percentage of the population actually needs to work anymore, and yet the word "welfare" is still considered a dirty word.

      It's a fact that one day most people will be technologically unemployed by robotics, AI, molecular manufacturing, etc., where the old "just retrain for a new job" no longer really applies. The question is how society deals with these "useless" people: will the elite just create make-work jobs to keep idle hands busy? Or will the proles demand that the fruits of automated production be redistributed more fairly?

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    8. Re:stop the unions, please by borgboy · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer - I am in retail, but not grocery.

      Part of most self-check systems is a large scale for the bag well (the place where the grocery bags are) and a connection to a database that correlates UPC/SKU to item weight. The self-check register keeps tabs on what the combined weight of the currently rung items should be, and makes sure that it matches within an error threshold what the scale is reporting.

      Oh yeah, a lot of stores also have one cashier monitoring 4-8 self check lanes.

      You should give more credit to the business people. They do actually think about this stuff. Retail is a pretty cutthroat business, and larger chains don't get that way without smart people.

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    9. Re:stop the unions, please by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, I cannot wait for the day that dead-end fast food and checkout jobs are put away and replaced with technology, so people will be forced into real jobs that require skill. People used todo things because they liked todo them, and loved what they do, but now it is all checkout and flip burgers so you can save up for insurance, a new "system", some chrome rims, and an annoying exhaust. I cannot wait for the day that all people of stupidity will no longer have these dead-end jobs to throw away money into trash. Prices will be lower, and the economy will be better.

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    10. Re:stop the unions, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a spiteful asshole you are. you want all lowpaid idiots starving on the streets so you can buy your shit cheaper, and so you dont have to hear their loud mufflers. god i want hit you.

    11. Re:stop the unions, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the word 'fairly' is not in any business dictionary i've ever seen....

    12. Re:stop the unions, please by phuturephunk · · Score: 1

      ..Well, then tell me something: What structure do you suppose would work to get these bottom rung 'burger flippers' access to better education? How do you propose we pay for that education and re-training?..More education = better job, no?.. You say they should go out and get better jobs, but how do you suppose these 'people of stupidity' could possibly hack it in a typical corporate environment, where book smarts, quick thinking and the ability to dynamically change is paramount to success(not to mention being able to fit into an 'image' because style, more often than not, takes presidence over substance)?.. Who's going to teach them how to write a cover letter and go through all the dog and pony show idiocy that is dealing with the typical HR department nowadays?..

      They could work for the state, but honestly..the state is so inefficient that I'd rather have them spending money on Rims, exhaust systems and stereos... That several thousand dollars is better spent put back into commerce then eaten up by layers of beaurocracy and months of waiting over P.O.s and requisitions just to buy a box of pens...

      So up-noser, what do you suppose are the answers to my questions above?..

    13. Re:stop the unions, please by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

      I can't say this about every store in world, and I have been out of retail for almost five years, but most of the places I worked had a bigger loss of profit from employee-caused shrink than customer caused. Less employees actually means less shrink, not more.

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    14. Re:stop the unions, please by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Military, I have a friend who didn't want to flip burgers anymore, they are paying for all of his college, and it is making him a better all 'round person, and he is VERY physically fit.

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    15. Re:stop the unions, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my favorite conspiracy theory is that the shadow government plans on killing off 90% of the world population once this tech shows up and blaming it on terrorists so only they can enjoy a uncrowded utopia. I wouldnt mind being in the 10% but im not rich enough or evil enough to press the red buton

    16. Re:stop the unions, please by dafoomie · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, man. I work in a Boston area supermarket right now (I'm an out of work IT guy, outsourced to India etc.) I've seen my real job get shipped overseas, positions I've applied for get filled by H1B's, now I'm going to see my "put food on the table for now" job get taken away by a machine? These stupid fucks that tell people to quit whining when jobs get sent overseas, or quit whining when jobs get replaced by machines, have never even come close to either happening to them. Maybe when they start hiring overseas MBAs, doctors, and lawyers, they'll start to understand.

      there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks.

      We already have a machine to vacuum for us. Anyone that thinks that Zero jobs will be lost is crazy. They'll either hire just enough to get by, or cut everyones hours down (like they do now).

      I'm not saying that we shouldn't use these checkout machines, but don't try and tell me that there will be no concequences, people will lose jobs. With the good (for the company) comes the bad (for the employees). If its good or bad for the consumer remains to be seen.

    17. Re:stop the unions, please by Uma+Thurman · · Score: 1

      If a job can be automated away, then it should be. It's a waste of a human being to use them in a mundane role that could be filled with a machine.

      Take my profession for example, acting. What do I contribute to society? Not much. If a computer could do as good a job of acting as I could (and it will, soon) then that's a job that a human should not be doing.

      If the lack of jobs assembling cars on the line in Detroit causes even a handful of people to become professors and work at Wayne State U, then that's a good thing.

      Robots are going to take over all the jobs, and the entire world. Sooner or later we will have to face it, and it might as well be sooner. I'm running out of good shows to watch on TV and would welcome the entertainment.

      Oh, and another thing. I may or may not be Uma Thurman, but this is what I really think, not a troll.

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    18. Re:stop the unions, please by Mortanius · · Score: 1

      Well, there we go, guess I was wrong. I still question whether such a thing would really take off in the US, though. I mean, we can't even decide on one language to speak anymore (won't get into that right now :-P), in this age of make-this-user-friendly-or-we'll-sue-you I don't think we're going to see fully-automated supermarkets until this aspect of our society passes.

      I'm still waiting on my personal jetpack...

    19. Re:stop the unions, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In amsterdamn welfare isnt dirty. I hear everyone there gets a living wage from the government every month. No homeless except for the crazies.

    20. Re:stop the unions, please by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, screw it. I won't be happy until we're all unemployed. I just can't stomach the idea of paying people to live 50% below the poverty line. Let's just get it over with and fire them all so they can just die already and we can get on with spending 45 minutes at the self-scan machine to pay for a box of chiclets. Now, that's what I call progress.

    21. Re:stop the unions, please by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      lease post again when it's your job that has been automated away

      It's unskilled labor, and no one said any of those people had to take jobs that anyone (and obviously even a computer) can do. Get a different unskilled labor job. Next you'll tell me how vending machines are evil because they destroyed the corner drugstore.

      Go to school, get a loan or grant or scholarship and go to college, and stop crying to me because you're not intelligent enough or too lazy to have a job that requires skill.

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    22. Re:stop the unions, please by TPFH · · Score: 1

      If a job can be automated away, then it should be. It's a waste of a human being to use them in a mundane role that could be filled with a machine.

      And I'm sure they can always find jobs at the Soylent Green factory.

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    23. Re:stop the unions, please by phuturephunk · · Score: 1

      The millitary is not the end all be all solve for this problem. If your idea came with Universal Serivce requirements, then I'd be willing to play ball, but if its seen as an 'escape' route for the underpriveleged, there's always going to be a stigma attached to being in the Armed Services (as there is, to some extent, now). Not all grunts go to officer's school, and the ones that don't seem not to get the same kind of recognition when they come back to the private sector.
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      As was stated above by the AC, the working class, poor and working poor would pretty much only have the option of being 'cannon fodder' as their way to have a chance in our society.. No one should have to bargain with their lives just to be able to live a decent existence. The right answer is to find what ails primary and secondary education, and then fix it..
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      Also, and this is going out on a limb, but why not.. All societies go through revolutions as they mature. The way things are shaping up, it looks like the US could possibly be in that situation say 20 to 40 years from now as consolidation of wealth continues, as a natural function of capitalism, into the hands of the very few.. What happens when all this 'cannon fodder' from the lower classes wakes up and decides to take what they want without asking, by force? Now you've got a huge population of people trained 50 ways from Tuesday on how to kill a human being running amok across your gated community front lawn..
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    24. Re:stop the unions, please by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      "It's a fact that one day most people will be technologically unemployed by robotics, AI, molecular manufacturing, etc."

      No, it will simply be cheaper for technologically advanced societies to more efficiently farm work out to the vast majority of people living in poverty that don't have a choice. We have machines today, called humans, and they work for damn cheap (elsewhere). The utopic aspect of technology is way overblow (why build a robot when all you need is a gun).

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    25. Re:stop the unions, please by eternlvoid · · Score: 1

      oh shut the fuck up.

      step out of the litter box for a moment and start using your noggin.

      you truly think that the only option other than mindless jobs is corporate slaveboy? you don't think most of those are mindless also?

      i think the whole idea is a vision of a future, better society where instead of having the lifeincentive be to accumulate wealth and material items, it is to better yourself and mandkind.

      that doesnt mean everyone will be a rocket scientist or concert pianist, but they could do what they love. some people love cooking. some people love making clothes.

      and mabe some people love flipping burgers, but id bet most of them hate it and are only doing it to pay the rent or feed their family or maybe even buy those chrome rims.

    26. Re:stop the unions, please by Starrdanzr · · Score: 1

      Yanno, I agree with the don't be lazy concept. However, there are some people are are not *able* to do college level work. Some of these people are not *able* to even do office work. What do you want them to do? To say "just go get another unskilled job" is telling me that you are clueless. The number of unskilled jobs are shrinking. I had a roommate who was going to college. However all he had that the time was a HS education. He quit trucking to better himself. However, he needed money to get through school. He has child support, car all those grown up bills that 18/19 yr olds don't have. He wound up in a factory job. There aren't many jobs he could do (due to lack of qualifications) and go to school (which you are recommending) and pay his bills. As it was, he was constantly whining about his lack of fundage...but that's another story :)

    27. Re:stop the unions, please by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      with RFID, people won't be ABLE to "forget" to scan an item.

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  6. We've heard this before by diatonic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shoppers could steal the Shopping Buddies, but there wouldn't be much point. The custom-built devices can't run ordinary computer software; they're good for shopping and nothing else.

    We've heard that before... given a few weeks I'm sure some pimply 16 year old in the netherlands could have a linux kernel on it, using Mozilla to surf the web wirelessly.

    1. Re:We've heard this before by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 1

      All you need to do is sniff the network, wee what is going where. Lets see.... A zaurus with a wireless card with ethereal and nmap. It can't be too hard since there has to be some feedback for trouble shooting the device. It wouldn't be too hard to hack it if you knew what you were doing.

    2. Re:We've heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you should mention that. Some shopping carts here in Amsterdam have a little "boot" on one of the wheels, that instantly clamps up the moment you try to remove it from the premises. It's triggered at the door, evidently by some kind of wireless or magnetic trigger.

      Yes, they get stolen anyway.

    3. Re:We've heard this before by pvt_medic · · Score: 1

      even better, it says its running a microsoft product, i am waiting till the first virus run rampant on their network.

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    4. Re:We've heard this before by s.fontinalis · · Score: 1

      The Safeway store here in Portland, OR USA has a smilar system - it's triggered when the cart exits the parking lot. The problems with it are a) there doesn't seem to be a reset, so there are lots of "broken" carts around b)the increased resistance of the booted front wheel isn't that great - so it doesn't affect the usefulness of a stolen cart. An interesting idea though.

    5. Re:We've heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Super Walmart in Las Vegas has these and the front wheel completely locks up when you leave the parking lot. Me and my friends found a gap in the sensors though (we didn't have a car, so pushing the cart home was the easiest option).

    6. Re:We've heard this before by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Shoppers could steal the Shopping Buddies, but there wouldn't be much point.

      There isn't much point in stealing a common, ordinary cart either...but the stream that flows through my neighborhood greenspace is full of them.

      rj

    7. Re:We've heard this before by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      Around here, only a few of the carts have the device...most of them just have the warning sign. And on the ones that do have it, the special wheel snaps into the frame just like the others do, so anyone who wants a cart has to steal two.

      But few people want the carts to use as carts anyway...ripping them off is generally just an adolescent machismo ritual.

      rj

    8. Re:We've heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Shoppers could steal the Shopping Buddies

      We've just been given permission to steal them, if we are shoppers. Thus only non-shoppers can steal them.

    9. Re:We've heard this before by spudchucker · · Score: 0

      This message posted via Shopping Buddy.

    10. Re:We've heard this before by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      It's bluetooth, not 802.11.

    11. Re:We've heard this before by TPFH · · Score: 1

      Some of the carts at Freddies use them too. A given store will have some with the device, some without. So if you wanted to steal one you could just look for a cart without the device.

      I've noticed that some of them will be clamped down even in the store. So it doesn't prevent them from being stolen, but they have false positives as well.

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    12. Re:We've heard this before by s.fontinalis · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen it's not a false positive that causes the wheel to be locked up - there's no retract trigger for the front wheel, so once it locks, it's locked for good - or at least until someone special comes along to reset it.

      I'll have to check out the Freddies - the ghetto Safeways been upgraded, so the carts are gone. Would be a fun system to hack (locking peoples carts in the middle of the store!)

    13. Re:We've heard this before by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      sure there's a reason to steal shopping carts... to use as your bottle recycling train when you're forced into entrepreneurship after being laid off from your supermarket cashier job.

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  7. canvas bag by elohim · · Score: 1

    What will the impact be on privacy, the cash economy, and the experience of shopping in general?

    If you bring a big canvas bag to throw your stuff in, probably nothing for you.

  8. This is for you then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Online grocery shopping with delivery.

    Works nice, except the bagger who mashes your bread is now driving a 5-ton delivery truck and will now treat the trees near your driveway the same way he used to treat your bread.

  9. I guess... by slasher999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Bluetooth isn't dead after all.

    1. Re:I guess... by Lyndsey · · Score: 1

      You've got that right. I am seeing it more in more in everything.

  10. Human Contact by phritz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It occurred to me, as I was reading this article, that in the Shopping Experience of the Future(TM), we're moving increasingly towards a society where we don't have to interact with any other people. In this new model, you can go to the store and don't need to talk to a cashier or the nice man at the butcher counter.

    Does anyone else agree? Thanks to amazon.com and stop & shop, I can now make all of my purchases without talking to another human being ... That seems significant, somehow, although I'm not exactly sure what it means ...

    1. Re:Human Contact by So+Called+Expert · · Score: 1

      The more we avoid other people, the less likely it is that we will be moderate in our opinions or tolerant of others' annoyances. Ever notice that the crazy ones are the "loners" who "keep to themselves"? Imagine a world of nothing but loners! Can't be good.

    2. Re:Human Contact by MoonFog · · Score: 1

      For geeks like us, this is just great, fun stuff, but for some this is more of a problem. Escpecially the elderly like to have some kind of interaction. They feel more at ease talking to a human being rather than just a machine. This may be a technology for the future, but at present we must still have "the old" way available for those not comfortable using computers.

    3. Re:Human Contact by indros13 · · Score: 1
      It's a good point. Take the deli counter for example. I would imagine that part of the job satisfaction is being able to interact with people and help fulfill their consumer needs. Same for checkers as opposed to floor-sweepers. Human interaction is natural for us and I think that dehumanizing jobs will have unfortunate side effects.

      That being said, I love new technology and think that this kind of wireless shopping can be convenient and more fun.

      *sigh*...so many factors to consider

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      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    4. Re:Human Contact by XiX36 · · Score: 1

      with the way our current society is working, human interaction will be through machines, never again will we need the discomfort of actually having to speak with another live human, we can just live in a nice little bubble, just make sure to keep consuming!

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    5. Re:Human Contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes it their only interaction as well...

    6. Re:Human Contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm.. sounds a lot like Japan to me.

    7. Re:Human Contact by epukinsk · · Score: 1

      we're moving increasingly towards a society where we don't have to interact with any other people.

      God forbid we might have more time to spend with our families and friends.

      Erik

    8. Re:Human Contact by John3 · · Score: 1

      You're correct for the most part. There are very few retail experiences that require human interaction. Probably the best example of a retail store that still requires a good deal of human interaction is a hardware store. Whether it's a replacement part for a toilet, choosing the proper nut or bolt, or matching some paint colors, the shopper depends on one-to-one interaction with an intelligent human being.

      Unfortunately, consumers in many areas chose big box stores over local hardware stores and now they have nowhere to go to try and match that rusty, wet part they yanked out of the toilet. Sure they can wander the aisles of Home Depot looking for help, but good luck.

      John

      Disclaimer - I own a hardware store so I have a vested interest in the future of retail technology.

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      "We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
    9. Re:Human Contact by MrWa · · Score: 1

      I consciously avoid using the self-checkout lanes at places such as Home Depot because of this very thing. Despite my deep feeling that people are stupid and my desire to NOT deal with many of them, I think that the move towards removing all of them is not the right way. It is, atleast, not something I feel that I should support.

    10. Re:Human Contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a replacement part for a toilet, choosing the proper nut or bolt, or matching some paint colors, the shopper depends on one-to-one interaction with an intelligent human being.


      Umm, you mean tyo say you can't tell if a nut fits a bolt without talking to someone else?!?!? You can't determine if two colors match without speaking to someone???

      Geez, you're dumb.

    11. Re:Human Contact by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      No problem.

      I'll chat with the elderly neighbors while my home robot goes shopping.

    12. Re:Human Contact by Saeger · · Score: 1
      Does anyone else agree?

      Yes. Capitalism works best when people are isolated, rather than helping each other out "for free".

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    13. Re:Human Contact by Saeger · · Score: 1
      God forbid we might have more time to spend with our families and friends.

      In the immortal words of Andy Richter, "People Suck." :)

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    14. Re:Human Contact by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1
      This may be a technology for the future, but at present we must still have "the old" way available for those not comfortable using computers.

      If they're willing to go somewhere else and pay the premium for human interaction, I'm sure that some places will remain around that do it the "old way". If not, thats too damn bad.

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    15. Re:Human Contact by anethema · · Score: 1

      It means I wont have to deal with other people's inteptitude. The reason so many lines are so long as these damn stores is because the person is a unionized worker, who doesnt give a shit since s/he is still making their 18.50 an hour whether you're happy or not.

      In this case, look at the choices...

      1: Deal with long line, slow cashier that either ignores you, or yaps endlessly about her long boring day.

      or 2: Just put the items in your cart and go.

      It really isnt any choice at all. If you want to interact socially, go to a social place/event.

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    16. Re:Human Contact by majcher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      we're moving increasingly towards a society where we don't have to interact with any other people.

      Thank god. I fucking hate those guys.

    17. Re:Human Contact by geekoid · · Score: 1

      IS it inronic that you post that to /.?
      I mean, you could be at a clucg with living beings talking to them, but instaed you choose a means that has no direct human interaction.

      To answer your question, it means shopping would be quicker, so you could work more.

      I mean, in a fair world, if I wwrite a program that does my 40 hours of work in 20, shouldn't I get 20 more hours for myself and family?

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    18. Re:Human Contact by ralfg33k · · Score: 1

      It means we're losing our social skills and our patience.

      I can remember when a "supermarket" was a grocery that had more than two cash registers. We did chat with the butcher, 'cause that how your steaks got trimmed exactly as you wanted. We interacted with the deli clerks to get lunch meats sliced just right, and we chatted with the fishmonger & produce manager to find out what was freshest. We didn't settle for what was tossed on the shelf for the sake of getting back to work sooner.

      Everyone waited in line, and folks conversed while waiting. Usually you knew someone in the store. If not, you did by the time you left. Kids played together. Folks made fun of the tabloids together. The checkout clerks were helpful because they were treated as human beings, and often offered a heads-up when an equivalent item was on sale or going in sale in a day or two.

      Y'know, this constant desire to speed up even the most mundane activities probably has something to do with road rage and whining new-grads who can't grasp why they don't walk out of school and right into $75K/yr jobs with a corner office. Gratification is not always instant. Those equipped to deal with that fact probably lead happier lives.

    19. Re:Human Contact by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      we're moving increasingly towards a society where we don't have to interact with any other people. In this new model, you can go to the store and don't need to talk to a cashier or the nice man at the butcher counter.

      Who talks to the checkout clerk anyway?

    20. Re:Human Contact by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      It occurred to me, as I was reading this article, that in the Shopping Experience of the Future(TM), we're moving increasingly towards a society where we don't have to interact with any other people.

      No, we're moving towards a society where we don't have to have mundane interactions with people. I'm all for that.

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    21. Re:Human Contact by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Ya know... way back in the olden days when people hunted their own meat and gathered their own fruit and reaped their own grain, etc... going 'shopping for groceries' was a solitary or at most family sized task.

      Instead of using shopping as an excuse to meet people why don't you instead go some place where people specifically gather to meet each other? I'm thinking of restaurants, coffee shops, bars, clubs, parks, sporting events, etc. anything more focused on entertainment and enjoyment than on survival and convenience.

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    22. Re:Human Contact by Seldon_21 · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as a chance to limit contact but to limit forced contact. How long to do the lines need to be anyways? How cool was it when Kmart had the self check isle? I was in and out of the store in less than 5 minutes. Technology allows us to do is maximize our time with each other and provides with chances to interact with those who we want to interact with.

      It is not like the check out people really care about you or yours, they are there to act as an analog arm that takes to food from and passed it to the bag. Also watching to make sure that you don't get away with anything!

    23. Re:Human Contact by John3 · · Score: 1

      I can tell if a nut matches a bolt, but I own a hardware store. Perhaps you can match a nut and bolt, and if so you're hired! :-)

      Most homeowners cannot tell what size fastener they need (or even what kind of fastener). They walk in and say "I need to hang up these shelves on my concrete basement wall. Help!" RF shopping baskets and self-checkout won't help them hang their shelf.

      John

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    24. Re:Human Contact by agentk · · Score: 1

      I think you're right, ralf. Small-scale operations like the neighborhood grocery offer a lot of benefits that are not possible in impersonal supermarkets. Same goes for most stores, even though large chain stores offer the best prices and more selection.

      We are losing something by paving the world and setting up supermarkets: we are losing some very important aspects of true "quality of life". (When QoL is *not* measured by income alone!)

      reed

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    25. Re:Human Contact by cmj · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm concerned I'd be happy to see 90% of the check-out aisles converted to self checkout. The cashiers at my local Stop and Shop as lazy, slow and rude. I've found that self checkout gets me out the door faster than a cashier check out UNLESS I'm buying lots of produce (no bar code).

      If my local S&S had these I'd use it in a second.

  11. Well... by Kedisar · · Score: 0

    If you thought that the radio waves bombarding you were bad NOW, wait until you eat an apple and are bombarded from the INSIDE!

    Better get a tinfoil stomach liner.

  12. wallmart super centers NEEDS this by JVert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I went down to one in vegas, and even though they had a blue shirt patrolling every other isle it gets boring asking them were every little thing is. The store is way to big to just LOOK for what you want. I was figuring interactive "you are here" maps in terminals on the pillars where the phones are. Nothing difficult about that at all. In fact the more I think of it they should really test the waters with kiosk type maps before pumping money into "smartcarts", if those things arn't perfect in implementation people will get no use from them at all.

    1. Re:wallmart super centers NEEDS this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't work at Wallmart. Have you ever seen Wallmart customers?

    2. Re:wallmart super centers NEEDS this by Stubtify · · Score: 1
      What I think would solve all of this would be a paper map on the cart with a listing under it of where everything is located. Some stores put this on the back of where the little kid seat is in the cart. Other stores use this for ad space. I think this makes it so simple to tell what is where, Looking for SPAM? Canned meats... aisle 5, quick look at the map and you're there. No typing, no computer needed.

      People love to over-complicate the solution to simple problems.

    3. Re:wallmart super centers NEEDS this by sniggly · · Score: 1

      If you've ever shoppped at IKEA then you've had to pretty much walk through their entire store because they have a path you follow and you get to see everything they have. There are shortcuts but most people just follow the path that's been laid out for them. Once a shop lures you in there's no benefit at all making it easy for you to find what you came to buy. Milk & bread all the way at the back of the store, kiddie stuff at the kiddie eye & grasp level. They got us figured out.

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  13. Who benefits from this? by So+Called+Expert · · Score: 1

    I really don't see a big value (to me) in a lot of high-tech on my cart, though. I think this benefits the store more than it benefits me. I don't want extra "point of purchase" ads as I stroll the grocery store. The coupon dispensers are annoying enough.

  14. An interesting tradeoff by indros13 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    By allowing people to scan their own stuff, I would guess that they are risking more theft. The article says that, "Stop & Shop is counting on random spot checks and video surveillance cameras to deter shoplifting." However, there's no equal efficiency replacement for the checker seeing that your cart is empty.

    Another thing, I don't know if I would want to be reminded what I bought the last time I passed this section of the aisle. Rarely am I shopping for the same thing two weeks in a row or even two months in a row. Do I really want it to beep every time I pass an item I have purchased once?

    Finally, please note that they have issued a challenge to you Linux folk: "The custom-built devices can't run ordinary computer software; they're good for shopping and nothing else." Wanna bet?

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    1. Re:An interesting tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, please note that they have issued a challenge to you Linux folk: "The custom-built devices can't run ordinary computer software; they're good for shopping and nothing else." Wanna bet?

      They probably have lojack installed somewhere :)

    2. Re:An interesting tradeoff by Valar · · Score: 1

      Finally, please note that they have issued a challenge to you Linux folk: "The custom-built devices can't run ordinary computer software; they're good for shopping and nothing else." Wanna bet?

      I bet NetBSD could already run on it. ;)

    3. Re:An interesting tradeoff by CaptainFrito · · Score: 0

      Video surveillance, spot checks...positively Orwellian.

    4. Re:An interesting tradeoff by The+Limp+Devil · · Score: 1

      Another thing, I don't know if I would want to be reminded what I bought the last time I passed this section of the aisle.

      I agree, and it does perhaps raise some privacy issues (or at least the potential for embarrasment) if it reminds you what you bought the previous time if you drop by to shop with your friends/boss/wife.

    5. Re:An interesting tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would you like your pack of extra small trojan brand condoms and "Fetish for fetishists" magazine today sir?
      -Your Shopping Cart

  15. The future of shopping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I predict that after America nationalizes medical care, the epidemic of obesity will cause government regulation of dietary intake. Each citizen will be given a body scan and will be given specially-blended pellets of federal monkey chow, eliminating the need for super markets and shopping carts altogether.

  16. This is cool by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    But is it mandatory? You can either use the tech or not. Therefore it isn't an invasion of any privacy.

    1. Re:This is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only until they get all the bugs worked out and a certain level of acceptance from the pupblic, the it'll suddenly become too expensive to pay for checker monkeys and they'll all get fired, then it's this or you starve.

    2. Re:This is cool by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Yeah good point. They are all out to get us.

  17. mynuts won: a standard for the gnu millennium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would that be the creator's increasingly popular planet/population rescue initiative (formerly unknown as the oil for babies program), which coincides perfectly (we do not use that word lightly) with the onset of the gnu millennium? of course it would.

    secure? why this stuff is unbreakable, & works on several (more than 3) dimensions.

    the daze of the phonIE payper liesense corepirate nazi stock markup fraud execrable is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the speed of right. not much secure IT to be had with those fauxking foulcurrs.

    the pateNTdead eyecon0meter kode has been used extensibly, in helping to eXPose many of the ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys fallicIEs surrounding the efforts of the felonious billyonerrors softwar gangsters' to mask their greed/fear/ego based misdeeds, & ongoing frauduleNT behaviours.

    still much to be done. see you there.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creator regarding decisions of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit, moving you.

    for each of the creator's innocents harmed, there is a badtoll that must/will be repaid by you/US, as the aforementioned perpetraitors of the life0cide against the planet/population, will not be available to make reparations.

    get ready to see the light. there's no going back, & no where to hide.

  18. Call me a Luddite, but... by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do not like more automated shopping experiences.

    I do not like the self-checkout aisles, which cannot deal with even trivial deviations from what they expect (You want to buy a single, unmarked apple? Sound the klaxon! We have a troublemaker in self-checkout lane 2!). I do not like always paying with a credit card, or needing to carry a stack of $20's to go shopping (for a $0.50 candy bar? Pah!).

    So, call me a Luddite, but I will not use these new carts. If I need to bring my own handbasket to avoid using them, I will. I will do my best to shut off every device I pass that blinks or beeps at me and then spits out a coupon (roughly a 90% success rate so far, they always make it too easy to remove the batteries). I will gather my groceries, and proceed to a human cashier to pay for my purchases. In the event that the store has no human cashiers on a register, I will simply leave my basked of frozen food on an unattended register, and leave.

    1. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Well your stores have different equipment than mine then. Ours take change, bills, or plastic. Individual produce items are easy to check out. None of your objections, in fact, seem to apply.

      That said, I won't use them until they give me a 2% discount for doing the work for them.

    2. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you are THE guerilla terrorist in the food service industry. Who takes the batteries out of the little coupon machines??? Really now? They were just minding their own business and bamn, no more lithium fun.

    3. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by zakezuke · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Personaly I think it's great! Among the many stores I frequent, there are supermarkets that are not well staffed in the week hours, esp around bar'o'clock (regional closing time for bars). Where it is common place for people to shoplift after making a good an honest effort to wait for the human. I my self like to be more honest about the subject, and this seems a very viable solution to that end.

      Those automated coupon despencers, well ok, those are a pain in the tookus. While I feel it's a far better system then just a stack of coupons in prevention of mixed-paper waste, it is a touch of a power waste. A nice nifty little role would be far superior IMHO, serve the fuction and not need batteries.

      I've used the automated checkout at Home Depot, with a stack of $20.00s without difficulty, though I typicaly only use the automated checkout for a few small items. Not so much because i'm a fan of the new fangled system, but simply because most people who shop there have carts filled with home improvement shinola, when all I need is a bit of sandpaper.

      But hey, to each their own, i'd respect the fact that people like your self prefer dealing with a human. Not that would nessicarly resolve the issue of a klaxon sounding, but atleast you have someone to blame to look at funny if it does.

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    4. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by windex82 · · Score: 0

      Just what in the hell gives you the right to disbale those coupon machines? Just because you dont want to use the coupon dosnt mean others dont want to save some money asshole.

    5. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by SophtwareSlump · · Score: 1
      Most of the chain stores around here (Kroger, Wal-Mart, Meijer) have about 8 self check out lanes, and then their usual compliment of 30 or so 'people' lanes.

      As a customer, I'm all for choices. Especially when you run across the situation where you know if you go into a 'people' lane it's going be a hassle. Here in Ohio, it seems that only people over 21 can scan booze. So on a typical Friday night here, you have 10 checkout lanes staffed by minors all yelling 'NEED A SCAN PLEASE', with one assistant manager running around bumping into customers scanning the goods, making everyone wait. In the self checkout-lanes, when you scan booze, it asks you to take your ID to the 'attendant'. No wait, and it only prompts you the first time.

      Not only for alcohol, but even buying produce (or bakery stuff) in the people lanes can be difficult. The cashier has to do 3 things right:

      • know what type of produce you have, or have the humility to ask you. A lot of people don't seem to know what vadilia onions or mangoes are round these parts.
      • have the dexterity to type in the correct code in a timely fashion.
      • not throw the produce down the 'bag ramp'
      In the robot lane, you just have to lookup a number on a chart (but chances are, you know what you're buying and it's a painless procedure!) and boom. Done.

      As others have stated, the self checkout lanes around here take cash, plastic, gift cards, food stamps and so forth. They even dispense cash change.

    6. Re:Call me a Luddite, but... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I do not like the self-checkout aisles, which cannot deal with even trivial deviations from what they expect

      Sounds like you dislike poor implementations of self-checkout, as do I.

      I tried the one at Home Depot, thinking it would be easier since there were no unmarked apples, etc. All was well until I tried to checkout a 10' copper pipe. I scanned the barcode, but it wouldn't let me proceed to the next item until I had placed the pipe on the 'completed items pad'. I was apparently supposed to balance the 10' copper pipe on end, on the 'completed items pad', until I finished my order. I hit cancel and walked over to the regular line.

      Since then I've reflected on the experience and I've been using human lines - maybe when the economy is roaring and there are 'help wanted' signs in the windows I'll try the machines again.

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  19. Old stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Is this the future of shopping?

    No, it is not the *future* of shopping. That kind of thing has been used (at least here in southern Finland) for many years now.

  20. The real question... by japhyr777 · · Score: 0, Troll

    How will this affect society in a post 9-11 world? What are the implications?

  21. It was a nice idea, but... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    If I look out my window I can see a pyramid of shopping carts 4x5x3 (assembled in a crazy patton to connect the security chains and get the £1 deposit back) collected by my fellow students from under the nose of supermarket security people.

    Now, imagine if said trolles were a cheap source of WiFi parts as well, ideal for putting in your own projects...

    Just need some tin foil to stop them being locatable, and somewhere good to stash the carts after you have removed the WiFi kit - such as the center of your student halls of residence.

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    1. Re:It was a nice idea, but... by An+Anonymous+Hero · · Score: 1

      If I look out my window I can see a pyramid of shopping carts 4x5x3 (assembled in a crazy patton to connect the security chains and get the 1 deposit back)

      You know, this disarmingly simple, mechanical system is the first thing that came to my mind while reading this story.

      I know it's all over Europe, but believe it or not, it's completely unheard of here in the States.

      (People here are still dumping the carts right by their cars, and we have poor blokes outside, rain or shine or snow, roaming around to pick them after us.)

      It's so odd to see Stop & Shop go Wi-Fi before they even consider implementing this elementary system.

  22. It sounds nice... but... by fejikso · · Score: 1

    ...this technology isn't what we would call cheap and obviously customers are paying for it through increased prices on their products.

    Yes, it sounds geeky and cool, but I don't think its really useful. I prefer to save the money or spend it in buying more stuff.

  23. privacy? by JamesCronus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there is nothing different about shopping with this new system then shopping without it. they already can see what you buy (unless you decide not to use the checkout and make a run for it, actually then they'd definatly know what it was you took) , and as for tracking around the store, ever hear of CCTV?

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  24. Can I... by llamaluvr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Log onto the wireless network and search the web for competitors' prices?

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  25. Human Contact-"/." service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The more we avoid other people, the less likely it is that we will be moderate in our opinions or tolerant of others' annoyances. Ever notice that the crazy ones are the "loners" who "keep to themselves"? Imagine a world of nothing but loners! Can't be good."

    Welcome to Slashdot. I'll be your loner this evening. Would you like an argument with that?

  26. Tried in the 80s by demaria · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was tried in the late 80s. A chain on long island (Pathmark) installed a grayscale LCD screen on every cart. It communicated wirelessly as well. You could see a store map, your location on the map, search for an item's location, and see aisle specials of the week.

    Didn't last more than a few months. I'm guessing it didn't benefit frequent shoppers too much. Maybe it'll work better today.

    1. Re:Tried in the 80s by Kurama · · Score: 1

      This was also tried in the early-90s at Delchamps grocery stores in the South. The ceiling of the store was spotted with antennae and each cart had a bulky screen connected to a box underneath. It did the same things (and was also gone in only a few months).

    2. Re:Tried in the 80s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You could see a store map, your location on the map, search for an item's location, and see aisle specials of the week."

      That's the one thing which is really missing at supermarkets: the ability to type in what you're looking for and hit 'search'.

    3. Re:Tried in the 80s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bring up frequent shoppers - in current society, we're moving around the country for work or for cheap housing etc... as someone who just moved, I'd kill for the stores around here to have these. Not everyone's got their stores matching each other as well as Target...

  27. Nobody Benefits from this by HeaththeGreat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    About 10 years ago, a brand new Schnucks (local grocery store to St. Louis Area) installed something similar on its carts. However, it was basically just a portable ad monitor. It was a BW LCD touch-screen that popped up new specials when you moved to particular locations. It sensed your position from overhead sensors, I'm not sure if they were IR or what, but long story short, they didn't stick around for very long. Maybe this system will have more success because of the automated checkout feature, but I really doubt it.
    My experience with self-checkout has been that I'm not nearly as fast as the checker that's been there for years and knows the price codes for all my fruit by heart. I tried to do it a couple of times and because the system has to be designed so that a 5 year old can use it, it seems to take twice as long as it would had if I was a super-user.

    1. Re:Nobody Benefits from this by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

      Once RFID tags get off the ground self-checkouts will be pretty sweet. Park your shopping cart next to the machine, verify that the list of items matches what's in your cart, and insert cash/credit card.

      Tim

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    2. Re:Nobody Benefits from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too easy to cheat- place an item in a metal box (tinfoil?) and it won't be scanned. Or simply hold the itemin your hand (or pocket) out of scanner range, then toss it into the cart after the cart is scanned.

      Etc.

    3. Re:Nobody Benefits from this by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

      Even today they have people watching the self-checkouts for hijinks. There's ways to keep people honest...

      For example one way would be for the scanner to burn out all the RFID tags after the purchase is complete, and have another scanner detect any active RFID tags trying to leave the store. Similar to the magnetic strips in use today.

      Tim

      Tim

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  28. great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's usually a #%#@ to find what you want in one of those giant outlet stores. this should make the shopping experience a bit more user friendly.

    however, i can see advertising agencies taking advantage of this.. ie. minority report

    don't click here

  29. your dad just phoned, he wants his car washed ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    or he will cut off your allowance, quick take my sisters bike and get home before he comes looking

  30. Random Spot Checks? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

    Is this before or after you pay for the items? Isn't it true that, one you pay for the items, they are unable to search them?

    Just like at China-Mart, If you walk thru the sensormatic and it goes off, you do not have to stop. If you do stop, and they ask to check your bags all you have to do is say no and they will let you go.

  31. In other news by zakezuke · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wi-Fi enabled shopping cards found in local pond. Wildlife and waterfoul go high-tech.

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  32. Re:Wouldn't you like to take her shopping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you BSD people need to get outside more often. She's certainly not ugly, but she's had about 10,000 too many pictures of her.

    Those 2 "babettes" on the other hand....hmm...babettes....funny, they're the only ones who look legal to drive.

  33. Serious Question. by DAldredge · · Score: 1

    Where will all those put out of work by such systems work? How will they earn a living?

    I am currious what everyone on /. thinks about this.

    1. Re:Serious Question. by Peyna · · Score: 1

      The same questions were raised when the first machines for processing cotton and producing textiles were introduced. Guess what? Those people somehow survived and didn't all end up in the streets.

      The same type of question is brought up everytime there is a new technology that will replace workers; rarely does it have the effect that everyone claims it will.

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    2. Re:Serious Question. by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      And those jobs turned into factory jobs.

      What new jobs are on the horizon for those who have only 'basic' skills?

    3. Re:Serious Question. by sniggly · · Score: 0
      Good question, horrible AC post below it!

      People like to point to the past and say oh well when we invented the wheel everyone who had to carry stuff around found another job, like making carts.

      The problem in this day & age is that jobs in manufacturing, IT and some services are being exported, and there are signs that low pay services jobs in fast food and retail are being slowly phased out by machines.

      "there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks."

      It's not as if nobody else was doing that work before the cashiers were displaced. It's not like with computers keeping a tally of whats being taken from shelves computers cannot route people stocking shelves much more efficiently. It's not like machines cannot cut and pack salami or that there aren't robots being developed that can clean without supervision (roomba is just the beginning). The trend clearly is towards saving big by having fewer employees.

      If there are new jobs to employ all these people who only have a high school education, someone please point them out. Apparently the army needs 10,000 more soldiers but with 6% registered unemployment in the US (and who knows what the real percentage of unamployed is) that's not going to help much.

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    4. Re:Serious Question. by danila · · Score: 1

      Change always sucks in the short term. As opposed to long term, when everyone gets to enjoy the benefits brought by the change.

      When all low-skill jobs are (or can be) replaced by machines, the society will have to change in several ways.

      1) Only creative work would have to be done by humans. Art, science, invention, etc.
      2) It would become feasible to provide all basic needs of all people with a moderate up-front investment (to build enough robots, basically).

      We used to call the resulting society "communism". And we used to think it was a bad, nasty, scary thing. But there is enough time to change our attitude. :) Of course, a revolution might be required, not necessarily involving killing people, but at least destroying institutions and stuff like that. :)

      As for exporting jobs overseas, it's long overdue. In the global society people everywhere have the right to economic equality. The income levels have to change so that average American no longer earns (and consumes) a hundred times as much as a person in Somalia. It's not easy in the short term, but in the end everyone will be better off.

      Don't worry, I don't think all that will take more than a few decades. And around 2020 we will live in a just communist society of abundance and happiness. :) Welcome to Utopia. :)

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    5. Re:Serious Question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blow jobs?

    6. Re:Serious Question. by Saeger · · Score: 1
      We used to call the resulting society "communism".

      economic "communism" + scarcity + totalitarian govt == BAD
      economic "communism" + scarcity + democratic govt == BAD
      economic "communism" + abundance + totalitarian govt == BAD
      economic "communism" + abundance + democratic govt == GOOD?

      Need a new term.

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    7. Re:Serious Question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, you've been DEPRECATED.

    8. Re:Serious Question. by danila · · Score: 1

      A very good point. May be the unwillingness of people in the West to even consider this alternative to the capitalist society can be explained to some extent by the fact that the term "communism" is so strongly associated with all the problems of the USSR... But how we can call it instead? Golden Age? Technoutopia? Social state? Scientific democracy? Social capitalism? Capitalism with a human face? Roboeconomy? Machine socialism?

      Any ideas?

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    9. Re:Serious Question. by Simple-Simmian · · Score: 1

      Or that all those other people already doing that are woring 25 hours weeks already.

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    10. Re:Serious Question. by Simple-Simmian · · Score: 1

      LOL Or that all those other people already doing that are working 25 hours weeks already.

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    11. Re:Serious Question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Euginics, National SOcialism (NAZIism), Dictatorship? Not one of you lamers answered the question where will the displaced workers work? How will they support themselves and familes?

    12. Re:Serious Question. by danila · · Score: 1

      I though it was obvious. You see, in communism people do not have to work, because the production capacity of the economy is sufficient to provide most needs even without forced labour. And the society changes to reflect this fact. So although in the short term the displaced workers might feel the negative effects of unemployment (but there will be some replacement jobs - free markets can deal with this to some extent), in the long term they will not have to work any more if they don't want to - their basic needs will be provided for by the machines.

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  34. Now there's a new idea by stox · · Score: 1

    NOT! This was tried over ten years ago by an outfit in Chicago called Videocart. It was a spectacular failure. Well, I guess we'll see if anyone learned anything since then.

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  35. Hmm, interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8===D~~~s~lashdot

  36. RFID tags by immel · · Score: 1

    While we're on the subject of grocery shopping, what effects will this have on the use of RFID tags? These carts already have built-in barcode scanners; would it be easier to have embedded radio devices in the food?

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    1. Re:RFID tags by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      In the food? Thanks, but I don't want to eat a great dinner and end up with an intestinal tract filled with RFID tags. Getting through airport security is tedious enough these days. :)

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  37. today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If by today, you meant yesterday, then yes they did report on it today.

    -Steven Willis

  38. Social Implications? by headkase · · Score: 1

    Would the carts also recommend healthy foods over other less desirable categories of foods? Kind of like a built-in dietician?

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    1. Re:Social Implications? by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      Are you crazy? I bet it does exactly the opposite. Haven't you ever noticed how much more expensive junk food is?

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    2. Re:Social Implications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urm depending If your on a Low carb diet you will find the low carb stuff is twice as expensive for less

  39. Charleton Heston Says Spin by malia8888 · · Score: 2, Funny
    But Weiner said the use of Shopping Buddies and self-checkout counters won't cost any jobs....... there's plenty of other work to be done in running a supermarket -- stocking shelves, cutting salami, sweeping up. Weiner said the displaced cashiers will be moved to these other tasks.

    One employee task that comes to mind is a big row of bicycles (a'la the movie, Soylent Green) that would run the generators producing electricity for the freezers. Employees would enjoy fitness and a paycheck ;)

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    1. Re:Charleton Heston Says Spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but who in their right mind would buy their hot dogs at a place that sold Soylent Green... ? ;)

    2. Re:Charleton Heston Says Spin by ralfg33k · · Score: 1

      Uh...just what, exactly do you think is in hot dogs???

  40. I don't see a privacy concern... by iiioxx · · Score: 2

    As long as the means to track your purchases is based on some non-personal identifier (such as a customer number on a store card). The "preferred shopper" cards that most supermarkets currently issue don't really care *who* you are, as much as *what* you are. Are you a 20-something single black female, or a 50-something married white male? The personal information (name, address, etc) is only useful for mailing out coupons and such, and most supermarkets don't market by direct mail, they use circular publications. I don't have a shopping card myself, but my wife has three or four of the things. In every case, she just filled out a little piece of paper with statistical information, and they gave her a card. They didn't check her ID or anything, so if you don't want them to know who you *really* are, just use a fake name and address.

    So as long as I get an anonymous shopping card, who cares if the store wants to track purchasing trends, if it's going to make the shopping experience better (and I loath supermarkets - mainly because I can never find what I'm looking for without having to traverse half the store)?

    The only issue I would have is if the store wants to keep my credit card info on file for some sort of "EZ Pay" system. No, thanks. I don't care if they know that some anonymous, 30 year-old, married, white male buys frozen lasagna and canned corn and mostly shops after 8pm on week nights, but I'm keeping my account numbers in my wallet. They can have their little wireless computer tell the automated checkout machine how much I owe, and then prompt me to swipe my card and enter my PIN, or feed cash into a bill scanner (for the ultimate in anonymity). As long as the anonymous purchasing information is kept separate from the personalized financial information, I fail to see a privacy issue with this concept.

    1. Re:I don't see a privacy concern... by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      So as long as I get an anonymous shopping card, who cares if the store wants to track purchasing trends, if it's going to make the shopping experience better (and I loath supermarkets - mainly because I can never find what I'm looking for without having to traverse half the store)?

      Customers who purchased Crispy Chips also purchased: Creamy Brand Dip, Zesty Salsa.

      70% of customers who purchased Crispy Chips say they didn't like them.

      50% of cutomers who didn't like Crispy Chips say they like Crunchy Brand Chips better.

      Sounds great to me, same way I was all for how Amazon.com does it.

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  41. customized price gouging by Splork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this combined with rfid tags could be used for supermarkets to charge each individual person a different price for items based on a profile of the person indicating how much money they have. pure evil.

    1. Re:customized price gouging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From each according to their means, to each according to their needs.

    2. Re:customized price gouging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      charge each individual person a different price for items based on ... how much money they have

      Actually, that would be good initial implementation of communism.

      Obviously, in a market economy, nobody rich will shop at those stores, having cheaper alternatives at the old "same price for everyone" stores.

    3. Re:customized price gouging by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Just to reiterate from the last RFID binge.... what you're saying would only work on a person one or two times. As soon as they found out that they had been gouged they would a) sue in small claims for descrimination and unfair practices or b) never shop at that store again and take their business elsewhere.

      Not very insightful... just kind of cliche.

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  42. Here's an interesting idea(s)... by infonick · · Score: 1

    1) DOS attack one shopping cart using five others thus rendering all six useless...
    2) Create a linux build and replace the shopping carts OS with it. Now you can crack company passwords with your beowulf cluster of shopping carts!
    3) wardrive the shopping mall
    4) load up the linux build you made in #2 to an old laptop and bring it to the store. bury it outside the super-mart with some kind of power source (outdoor plug, solar pannles) and have it do your bidding.
    5) broadcast over WIFI a change of prices and sales to the shopping carts
    6) use your immagination.

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  43. Experience of shopping by lokedhs · · Score: 1

    I couldn't care less about the "The experience of shopping". I welcome any invention that will shorten the time for me to actually get the stuff I'm after.

  44. Luddites Unite! by Detritus · · Score: 1

    Several local grocery stores have self-checkout lanes. I tried them a few times and was disappointed. Now I look for the lane that still has a human cashier. The cashier, who does this job for 8 hours a day, is much faster at scanning, ringing up produce, bagging and completing the order. Plus, it's a human being, not some Rube Goldberg contraption from Hell.

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  45. You mean "Sagan" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Genius? What the hell did he ever do besides write a few books and host a show on PBS?

    "Billions and billions..."

    Genius? Whatever.

  46. Another trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the early 90's, a "Raley's" store in Fremont California tried these. It even had a trivia quiz (entitled "Match Wits with the World's Smartest Ape") when you were in the checkout line.

    The ability to find what aisle an item was on was great. I really liked the system. The only bad part was that the ape often beat me at trivia. (then again, it was the World's Smartest.)

    But for some reason they stopped the trial. My guess was that being able to find any item easily was bad for the store, because it lessened the chance you'd make an impulse purchase as you wandered around lost. Either that or the World's Smartest Ape decided to leave the grocery business and go to grad school.

    1. Re:Another trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember that system! It was great fun as a shopper but seemed like a sales disaster. I remember watching shoppers walk up and down the aisle, eyes glued to the animated display on the cart, never glancing up to notice and purchase a back of Chips Ahoy. (Actually, it wasn't all peaches and cream for the shoppers, either...other patrons constantly ran into me with their carts since they weren't looking where they were going.)

      You could tell the World's Smartest Ape was smart because he wore a bowtie and glasses. But he never beat *me*.

  47. Hmm. by starseeker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This could be cool. What I want my cart to do is:

    1) let me enter a search for an item and then tell me where it is in the store. Something more flexible than "punch button of product name"

    2) let me upload a shopping list to the cart via USB keychain, and use feature one to give me the most efficient order in which to get the items (or close to it anyway - it might be an NP complete problem to get the most efficient route)

    3) Scan the item as it goes into the cart, check it off the list, and keep a running total. Also, take item off the list if I take it out of the cart. Perfect for budget shopping, and the cart keeps track of what's in it without me having to dig through it.

    All of these should be possible with current tech. Places like Sam's club should check it out.

    Keep the adds to a minimum, preferably none unless the buyer opts to see specials, and no pay on cart option. That would involve wireless transmission of the credit card info, and require encryption. Plus, a person should validate the findings of the cart - this would be a convenience thing for customers as they shop, NOT a replacement for the cashier. Taking away jobs aside (that's seldom a valid reason to avoid a technology) someone would find a way to defeat the system.

    And for goodness sake get Linux or *BSD on the things! I don't want Microsoft handling my grocery info! Imagine a blue screen destroying your shipping list 2/3 of the way through a big shopping day.

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    1. Re:Hmm. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "Keep the adds to a minimum, preferably none unless the buyer opts to see specials, and no pay on cart option. That would involve wireless transmission of the credit card info, and require encryption. "

      I'll tell you right now why you'll never be able to turn off the ads. The ads are how the supermarkets are going to pay for the new technology. People will pay good money for paid placement, and even if they were paying for the carts some other way, do you think they'd turn down an opportunity to make more money?

      Its bad enough they have 50 billion ads on the back of my receipt. In fact, my receipt is now often 3 receipts, where the second one is ENTIRELY ads, and the third one is a special store scratch off lottery deal where you have to give them personal information (that they can sell) to win anything.

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    2. Re:Hmm. by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      2) let me upload a shopping list to the cart via USB keychain, and use feature one to give me the most efficient order in which to get the items (or close to it anyway - it might be an NP complete problem to get the most efficient route

      Right! And the list was generated by your fridge, which knew what you were out of, and better, the things that you were almost out of. And helped along by the recipe items that you need for a dish, generated by a site such as allrecipes.com. That would indeed be cool. I do the shopping for my family, and anything that helps me find the things that I need is a friend indeed. If costs were the same, I would be induced to change my preferred grocery store.

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    3. Re:Hmm. by agentk · · Score: 1

      This would definitely be a killer app here. As described in the article, this tech does not offer that much that is new (except the locating items feature).

      It would probably best be implemented on a website though (keyed to your frequent shopper card -- I agree with other comments that these things ought to be anonymous -- I don't have one yet partially for this reason), dealing with compatability of random devices you bring into the store would be a nightmare.

      Then you could also determine if the market (and which markets) had the item you need while you were making the list: that would have saved me some time last night figuring out alternatives to different ingredients.

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  48. Flamebait? wtf... + 1, Funny by gumpish · · Score: 0

    I guess complaining about moderation is hardly new.

    I thought it was funny AC.

  49. Shopping Buddy? by Detritus · · Score: 1

    The rugged Shopping Buddy computers are manufactured by Symbol Technologies Inc. of Holtsville, N.Y., a wholly owned subsidiary of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

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  50. How much is the deposit? by apoch2001 · · Score: 1

    How much will they have to charge for the cart's deposit before people will not steal them? It'd be nice to take one of those things home with me, keep the bluetooth elements and then ditch the cart in a park (sigh... memories of university... ;) )

    1. Re:How much is the deposit? by Peyna · · Score: 1

      The would probably have to restrict taking them outside of the store; and just use standard carts for that process.

      That or equip them with a device like an invisible fence for dogs; when you try to take the cart off of the store's property you get a nice charge of electricity running through you!

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    2. Re:How much is the deposit? by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      Not sure how common these are outside of the Minneapolis area, but most of the Cub and Rainbow stores in Minneapolis have an invisible fence already, (not really invisable, they have painted a yellow or white line around the parking lot) If you try to take a car across the radio sensor one of the front wheels locks up (or a cap rolls around it providing a similar feature.)

      Ah you say, I'll just tip the cart backwards on the rear wheels and go on anyway. Hopefully you don't mind holding the cart with the front wheels an inch off the ground, because much beyond that and the metel shell around the back wheels starts grinding into the pavement or concrete.

      Of course with a cart that tracks who was shoping with it, we can look forward to carts deciding not to let you use them in the first place. You walk up to the row of carts, and find that they have all locked themselves together.

      Fun.

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    3. Re:How much is the deposit? by ralfg33k · · Score: 1
      That or equip them with a device like an invisible fence for dogs; when you try to take the cart off of the store's property you get a nice charge of electricity running through you!

      Child: "Mommy, why is that man on the ground peeing his own pants and twitching like that?"

  51. Privacy? Who cares nowadays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People haven't really cared about it since the introduction of plastic cards, which can and is used to track you. I will continue paying cash and refuse going to stores with bluetooth enabled carts. But there will always be Joe Blow who doesn't give a crap... /my 25 cents

    1. Re:Privacy? Who cares nowadays? by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      How could this possibly be used maliciously? It could be used to people's advantage. Say you get a plastic card with a unique identifier, and it tracks what you buy and such. You swipe that card, and it will know what you bought last time, and could offer discounts to things you buy often. As long as you aren't buying clorox, ammonia, and loads of sugar everyday, you should be fine. As long as they don't take your address and sell it to vendors and such to know what you like, it should be fine, so long as they don't store you address and such with your unique ID. Heck, maybe they will even make a system that uses cash like a vending machine, and give you "credit" on your store card, and you can always put more money on it if you don't want to use a check/credit card. It is good to wait for the system rather than to bash it before it comes. If things get bad about information being stolen, maybe a law will come into play, but lets not try and cross the privacy bridge until it comes.

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    2. Re:Privacy? Who cares nowadays? by ralfg33k · · Score: 1

      Checkout clerk: "Hi, Joe! How's the meth lab goin'?"

    3. Re:Privacy? Who cares nowadays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just fine

  52. They already do, in a way.... by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    OK, they don't directly change the prices now. But there are so many ways that stores change the price you pay - frequent shopper cards, manufacturer's coupons, sales, those "Catalina" printables at the register that print out coupons based on what you buy - that consumers pay many different amounts for the same items.

    Personally, that's fine with me, as I've gotten pretty good at working coupons and sales

    1. Re:They already do, in a way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find those coupons they print out at the register are always for things that are similar to what I buy, never for the items I buy. They are basically giving me another piece of paper to throw away.

    2. Re:They already do, in a way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those coupons they print out at the register are always for things that are similar to what I buy, never for the items I buy.

      Duh- they are trying to get you to either switch brands or buy 'accessory' items. You have ALREADY bought what you bought, so why should they ofer coupons for that??

    3. Re:They already do, in a way.... by UserGoogol · · Score: 2, Funny

      A wide majority of products can be only used a rather small number of times, will typically be bought again shortly after that. In particular, food.

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    4. Re:They already do, in a way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't know if these are store coupons or manufacturer's coupons.
      If they are store coupons, then it would seem that it would be in the store's best interest to give me a coupon for items I buy, to keep me coming back to that store.
      If it is a manufacturer's coupons, then I guess whoever pays the most gets their coupons printed out at the register.

  53. Hmm.-Attention shoppers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about something like peapod or green grocer without the delivery? All you have to do is pick up the groceries. Everything else taken care of.

  54. Good, it's not just me... by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    I usually avoid the self checkouts. I feel kind of stupid, since I'm young and work in IT, I'm supposed to love cool technology. But I also use coupons, and it never fails that at least one of my coupons won't scan, prompting me to have to summon someone over to fix it. Usually winds up killing any extra time I would have saved over waiting in line. I would rather just deal with a person in the first place.

  55. Giant thinks I'm a Dutch foreign exchange student. by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    The "preferred shopper" cards that most supermarkets currently issue don't really care *who* you are, as much as *what* you are.

    True. My local grocery chain recently installed new POS equiptment that prints Thank you "insert name of customer." Only then did I realize that the name on it was not mine, but rather the Dutch foreign exchange student who had been one of my roomates 3 years ago. Must have accidently switched cards somehow, and it never really mattered. Though it is impressive that he's saved nearly $300 in bonuscard savings despite being on the other side of the globe for the last 2 years.

  56. What will the impact be on privacy by iLEZ · · Score: 1

    What will the impact be on privacy,
    the cash economy, and the experience
    of shopping in general?"


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  57. Old Tech by EEBaum · · Score: 1

    They tried this in a Pavilions near my Grandma's house about 10 years ago. Granted, the technology wasn't fantastic at the time, but it was there. It was "cool" for a while, until you realized that it was just telling you a bunch of crap you didn't want to know. It was a bit buggy too, as anything new tends to be. Granted, it didn't keep track of what you bought, only where you went, but it came off as utterly useless and they removed these "features" from the carts within a couple years.

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  58. Wi-Fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So which is it? Wi-Fi or 802.11?

  59. Great, but... by devphaeton · · Score: 1

    GPS navigation is great on the shopping cart, but all the traffic in some stores might require some stoplights at major intersections.

    To be serious, however.... As often as i see stolen shopping cards around cities, it may not be such a great idea to invest so much money into them.

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  60. I can see it now: by El · · Score: 1

    My wife calls me from the store: "Honey, why is the shopping cart telling me 'The last time you were here, you bought condoms!'? I don't remember buying condoms... and besides, I'm on the pill!"

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    1. Re:I can see it now: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point... Is Shopping Cart info admissible in court?

  61. I'll be impressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... when the cart lets me send Instant Messages to that babe in the freezer aisle!

  62. Orwellian shopping or... by bashibazouk · · Score: 0

    Just an attempt to bring bums in to the twenty first century?

  63. My local supermarket beta tested this years ago. by Gldm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It failed miserably. The system was called smart cart or smart shop or something lame like that. They had little 9" black and white LCD screens on the carts and heavy ass lead acid batteries in the bottom. The screens had infrared sensors and there were transmitters hanging above the isles that'd beam updated data as you walked down then. Lots of blurry little animations and stuff. I never found it useful.

    The reason the program failed is because the local kids smashed them all for the fun of it. It doesn't matter that the hardware won't run anything useful, people like to break stuff. A steel shopping cart in itself isn't that fun, but if it's got electronics on it to smash, it's alot more appealing to the bored and destructive.

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  64. Chip me by sbeast702 · · Score: 0

    I want a chip in my hand so when i pick up an item off of the shelf, it transmits the price to the chip and debits my checking account on file for me. That way I have no lines when i check out... weeeee!

    1. Re:Chip me by BeatlesForum.com · · Score: 1

      One day no one will be able to buy or sell anything without that chip in their right hand or forehead. Be careful what you wish for.

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  65. Privacy?? WHAT? Are you serious? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    What about the Kroger Plus Card, and the equivalent that every other store has? It allows your purchases to be tracked on a per-capita basis and material to be directly marketed to you. This is no more an invasion of privacy than the Kroger card.

  66. Dot-Bomb, here we come!!! [again] by t0ny · · Score: 1
    This has to be just about the DUMBEST idea Ive heard about since the halcion days the the Dot-Bombs, when any half-baked idea was worth literally MILLIONS.

    Kudos to the con artist who convinced somebody that they were a) employable, and b) had a good idea.

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  67. Handyshopper for PalmOS by Grail · · Score: 1

    I use Handyshopper for PalmOS: http://www.freewarepalm.com/database/handyshopper- english.shtml I keep track of the last price I paid for each item, and the aisle I found the item in. The only thing that would make life easier for me is if the shop would regularly publish a complete list of what items are in which aisles. Especially when they change their aisle layout every 6 months to "enhance the shopping experience" (ie: make you walk past everything again in order to con you into a few impulse purchases). It's frightening to think that the shop would want to keep track of which items I buy - as other people have pointed out, the store could optimise their prices for maximum profit from each customer. Though I wonder how easy it would be for them to distinguish between the buyers who always buy the one brand, regardless of price, and buyers who "comparison shop" and buy the cheapest product that they trust to be of adequate quality.

  68. Re:My local supermarket beta tested this years ago by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

    That is what sturdy well-built equiptment, security camera, and law enforcement is for I suppose.

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  69. And if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone steals your cart??

  70. Warshopping? by joshmoh · · Score: 1
    Based on a stripped-down version of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows XP operating system, the Shopping Buddy crams three different forms of wireless communications into one device.

    Great... first exploit's discovered, Shopping Buddy AP is hijacked, and i'll be kindly informed while shopping that there's a "0wN3d s4L3 0n ai5le r00t"

    I do like the idea of "Bring Your Own Cart," so long as I don't get hassled for bandwidth shoplifting after I leave.

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    1. Re:Warshopping? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      as long as it tells the central computer my full cart only contains 1, 50 cent item in it, I'm ok with that exploit.

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  71. stop the unions, please-A nation of soldiers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh lovely. Cannon fodder for a country with imperialistic aspirations. BTW not everyone can get into the military.

  72. Those will be the most popular bag ladies by mlazarov · · Score: 1

    Imagine it, teched out bag ladies talkin to their shopping carts. Anyway, the privacy implications are the same as those grocery store saver cards, if you're so concerned, don't sign up for it

  73. RFID tags-Job go down the hole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually RFID tags would nearly eliminate the need for complicated checkout lanes. Remember a few years ago, the IBM ad with the guy who looked like he was shoplifting? The security guard following close behind. Then as he's going out the door, the guard stops him and says "excuse me, you forgot your reciept." The service industry will soon be aquainted with another definition of "shrinkage".

  74. Of course it's a privacy concern, but.. by MikeyMars · · Score: 1

    It's no different than using your "Shoppers Club Card" when you interact with a (minimum wage) cashier at each and every supermarket, walmart, kmart; the list goes on.

    Borrow someone elses tinfoil hat (card) and this data is inaccurate.

    If it truly saves me time and minimizes my interaction with a disgruntled employee, I'm all about it.

  75. Overrated? wtf... by gumpish · · Score: 1

    Question to the person who modded parent:

    How can it be "overrated" if no one has modded it up?

    Here's hoping you get meta-moderated into the godless oblivion from which you came...

  76. Great for Business by jasontromm · · Score: 1

    I work for Ahold, the parent company of Stop & Shop. I was involved in the development of this project. We're definitely counting on it to bring in more business. The Boston Globe article is good, but doesn't talk about some of the more interesting technical aspects of the project. (Of course, we probably won't tell them for fear of the word getting out to the competition.)

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  77. Credit card information over WEP? by SinaSa · · Score: 1

    I sure do hope they encrypt all their information in something a little stronger than wep. Otherwise one laptop shopping trip later, and you could have the info of everyone in the store.

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  78. you are not a Luddite. by geekoid · · Score: 1

    You're an asshole.

    It is one thing to make a decsion not to use coupons provided for you, for something you are goint to purchase, it is another to make it so the next person can't.

    I like them. Go in to get something, and then get a discount. bonus.

    Of course, if you are so weak willed as to let a piece of paper to offend you, or perhaps they 'make' you by something you don't want?
    to sum up:
    you're an asshole.

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  79. Stop and Shop Kicks Ass by shadowxtc · · Score: 1

    I live in Revere, just outside of Boston. There's 3 Stop & Shops nearby. Although their prices are higher, it's definitely a tech-lover's dream to shop in. Also nice if you're just impatient or don't like people :).

  80. Kroger tried this a while ago by Sabalon · · Score: 1

    I think it was around 94 or so that Kroger did this. It wasn't .xx, but each cart had a little greyscale screen and TONS of antenna's in the ceiling.

    As you went down aisles, you could see what was on sell around there, or you could use the cart to see where a certain item was. It was a little slow, but it worked...remember using it quite a bit as stuff is never where I'd expect it.

    The problem - after about a month, finding a cart that had a working screen was nigh impossible. Hopefully the new ones will be a lot more rugged.

  81. Simple. by Eevee · · Score: 1

    The moderator felt it sucked so bad it didn't even deserve the 1 it started with. And I can see this.

    Just because there wasn't any other moderation done before the overrated was given doesn't mean that overrated is wrong. Maybe not the best choice--I'd have picked something else--but it applicable.

  82. Re:you are not a Luddite. by pla · · Score: 1

    it is another to make it so the next person can't.

    I resent advertising in all forms. Small blinking boxes that spit coupons at me do nothing more than advertise a product to me, and to everyone else passing by.

    At that point, they already have me in the store. I already know what I intend to buy. I do not buy what I do not intend to.

    So you would accuse me of having so weak a will that I must disable such ad-dispensers to prevent my giving in to their temptation? No. Quite the opposite. I have no problem at all ignoring them, but realize that others do not do so well.

    Do you have an elderly grandmother, one who believes that anything they can get on sale, they must buy? Many people do. I do. I disable such machines for them, not for myself, and not specifically to annoy you. I neither know you, nor care enough about you to bother taking action to annoy you.



    Go in to get something, and then get a discount. bonus.

    TANSTAAFL. You pay, one way or another.


    to sum up: you're an asshole.

    Better an asshole than a sheep. Baaaaah.

  83. Serious Question.-Human nature. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "1) Only creative work would have to be done by humans. Art, science, invention, etc."

    Yay! More "creativity" to download.

    BTW All Utopias break because they ignore human nature.

    1. Re:Serious Question.-Human nature. by danila · · Score: 1

      That too wide of a generalisation. All Utopias break IF they ignore human nature. For example, if you try to build a communist society while having a poor agrarian economy with miniscule GDP per capita, voluntary labour will not provide enough wealth to support everyone. Those countries that ignored this simple fact (Soviet Russia in early 20th century, North Korea, etc.) broke. But if you design your Utopia to take into account the reality (including human nature), then there is no reason why it should not work. Take Disneyland, for example. :) They work within the limits of human nature and technology and they do provide a good (almost utopian in some sense) experience. :) We only need to take the concept further. :)

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  84. How? by Simple-Simmian · · Score: 1

    How will this affect the 98% of /.ers who shop at Save-U-Foods or still live in their parents basement? Most Slashdotter are out of work according to their stories (all Bushes fault) or are so rich they eat out all the time. Which is it and how will this actually effect them?

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  85. I use this at my local S&S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to say that it is _excellent_. It has surprisingly few obvious bugs in the software - I haven't had one crash one me yet.

    I won't buy sensitive products with it. S&S don't need to know whether anybody in my household has allergies or dandruff. But everything else is fine.

    One good effect is that it makes everyone aware of just how much shopping habit information they collect on your Stop'n'Shop card. Tech-savvy privacy advocates have been aware for a while now, but the average Joe has no idea that the big supermarkets could tell him everything he ever bought from their shop using his card. The Shopping Buddy makes it obvious - as you are going down each isle it prompts you with your favorite items in that isle. It prompts you with special savings that it thinks you might be interested in.
    It's actually very useful. You can order your deli items in advance and shopping buddy notifies you when they are ready for collection. You know what your bill is going to be as it keeps a running total (although it doesn't account for tax on the few non-food items you pick up). You can review everything that's in your cart etc. At the produce section, you scan a barcode for the produce, put the bag on the nearest scale, scan a barcode on the scale and the shopping buddy interrogates the scale and calculates the price. It all works suprisingly well.

    When you get to the checkout you just scan your S&S card, it gets your shopping list from the buddy, you pay, it prints a receipt. Done - no waiting. Of course the astute will realise that the typical checkout times have simply been amortised over the time spent going around the shop, but that's ok in my book. I hate waiting in check out lines.

    A bonus? Since you bag as you go, you get home with bread that is still square and fruit that isn't bruised!

  86. Fuck you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (See subject.)

  87. This is nothing new, it's been around for years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can see similiar technology at:

    http://www.mag-card.com/product_info.php?product s_ id=1324

    http://www.mag-card.com/product_info.php?product s_ id=1325

  88. Stealing Shopping Carts and New Musik by TPFH · · Score: 1

    There isn't much point in stealing a common, ordinary cart either.

    What about using a shopping Cart as a Percussion Instrument? I've only actually used a shopping cart once, and I didn't actually find it in a store. I was participating with a band at the time and there happened to be a shopping cart a couple blocks away from the venue. I had intedned to destroy the shopping cart by the end of the show but those darn things are pretty strong. I was able to do hardly any dammage with a crowbar, and could only take out a few of the little thingys with a hammer. Maybe if I had had a sledgehammer I could have done real dammage.

    Anyway, when I first started reading this article I was wondering if they were going to use the wifi to prevent shopping cart theft. You know, track them down. And I'm thinking, what's going to happen to the proud tradition of using a shopping cart in experimental music.

    Shoppers could steal the Shopping Buddies, but there wouldn't be much point. The custom-built devices can't run ordinary computer software; they're good for shopping and nothing else.

    Actually, the shopping buddies themselves might be interesting in music. Banal shopping buddy advice would be very fitting in some music.

    SSSShop as usual, and avoid panic buying.

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    1. Re:Stealing Shopping Carts and New Musik by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea... using security devices to prevent cart theft.

      A better one, though, is to use the $1-deposit-for-a-cart system.. you know, where the carts are all chained together, and you gotta put in a buck to remove it. You get it back when you put the cart back.

      IT works great.. lazy yuppies, who feel the time to put the cart back isn't worth a dollar and just leave it in the lot somewhre, or across the street, local kids will happily return it for a free buck. Same with carts left wihtint a few blocks.

      Having spent days on end with Dad as a kid, driving around looking for shopping carts people took.. I know what a problem it is. IT costs a fair bit of money. You'd be amazed how many carts go missing without some kind of system.

  89. Funny Colored Money Problems by telstar · · Score: 2, Informative
    "I wonder, in the future, will I be able to buy anything with our new funny colored cash dollars?"
  90. How easy is it to retract a double-scan? by blair1q · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they want this technology in part because of the likelihood of a consumer using it incorrectly and buying 4 cans of beans but taking home only 1.

    A couple of those mistakes a day could make the margin for the store.

  91. Its only a matter of time... by slappyjack · · Score: 1

    ...before this becomes the place where telemarketers get you. You're reaching up to get the same damn peanut butter you've been eating since you were four and the screen flips over

    "hello, mr. [insert mangles last name here]. Would you like to switch your long distance and get a coupon for two dollars off your Skippy? I already have your information in my computer, just press the blue button to switch caller services and press the light blue button to not switch services."

    Then the government will have to register: donotcallmyshoppingcart.gov

  92. The Joys of Self-checkout by LittleGuy · · Score: 1

    I hate waiting in a checkout line so a union checker can check me out. I want to scan my items as I shop so I can leave quickly. Sure, self-checkout is ok, but this is even better.

    In addition, legions of first-time, hormone-raging teenage boys will be able to buy condoms without the requisite embarassing encounter at the checkout booth.

    (Not to mention doting husbands buying items for 'feminine protection' for their wives.)

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