I don't think that's gonna work. All you can call in a batch file is commands within your interpreter (usually command.com or 4dos.com) and exec files (*.com, *.bat, *.exe and others in windows only) The first thing you would have to do is have a command interpreter that wasn't a single user POS. Also, dos doesn't exactly have an easy way to talk tcp/ip or open a socket.
I guess you could possibly write a quick basic program and run it in dos, but you are likely to need much more code than I would want to write. Not much cool factor in making DOS do much of anything anymore, either.
but how do you tell the difference between slashdotting, and a regular page load? Just double-clicking on the link is likely to result in TC/IP timeouts.
slashdotting == regular page load when you are at.02 to.05 pages per second
So it really doesn't matter. The first time you test it, you HAVE effectively/.ed it. Now, if he could get NFS to work, to connect it to a FC striped raid array.....
Why would they need 500 server machines. It would seem that they could use desktop for there clients and only buy a handfull of servers to support those clients..
He never said that he had even one client. If the company has huge web traffic or does contract work, it can consume 500 servers. Hes not talking about the computer system for a car dealership, he is talking about an enterprise, and a big one at that.
Microsoft BSA utility which scans your computer? Methinks Pharmboy will get a visit from the stormtroopers tomorrow.;-)
Stormtrooper via megaphone says: "Alright everyone. Hands off the computers. This is a license audit!"
Lol, I have to admit, the name made parts of me pucker up, too. But as I move more and more to Linux, its nice to know that is less and less an issue. Bitching about constant updates, security holes, bad scripting, closed source and crashes are also becoming less and less an issue as well.
The largest network I manage is only 15 clients and about 6 servers, but the whole licensing thing is really a consideration, not only for the expense of purchasing the licenses, but trying to keep up with what everyone else installs and keeping them legal. I do this as just a part of my job, alone. Linux is looking better and better every day.
was referring more to the part of your post where you made fun of her not knowing if unplugging her computer was enough.
I was making fun of her because she is my mom (remember how I even said she was smart enough to ask). She is also the first to tell you to kiss her ass. We play for keeps in my family. Most people would have trouble dealing with so much "in your face humanity". Really, it gets pretty wild, although it still sounds weird hearing your own mother refer to someone as a "fucking asshole". And no, they are actually upper middle class, lol.
As to the crap you developers keep throwing out, remember, the first step is admitting you have a problem. Next is seek help among others with the same problem.;)
That's a big, smelly load of shit. Systems administrators should be required to read bugtraq and keep their systems patched. Users should only show common sense. We can't ask them to do these things. There are people working with computers that actually use them as tools to do work, rather than as objects of worship, as we geeks do. They don't want to know about driver install woes or our petty flavour of the month.
I am not sure if you are suggesting I hire a sysadmin to manage Mommy's computer, or that she should not be expected to know how to do all this. My statement was that she doesn't, and shouldn't have to know about all that. Thats one reason i bought her a system with a sys restore disk, since I live 1300 miles away. To her its a game platform (casino games) and an email machine, so wiping it isnt the end of the world.
If you are saying she shouldn't have to know this, wtf are you doing argueing with me? That was my point: Its not their fault that they are not experts at upgrading their computers. My brother and I were just enjoying making fun of her about it. Fuck it, she's my mom, I can pick on her if I want. I bought her the box.
As to the "crap [you] Software Developers keep throwing out",....yea, get your shit together, you guys suck.:D
Twice I kept checking update over and over. Both times I tested it this way, within 30 minutes it magically found an update, so this tells me their servers were either overloaded and just telling me this to get me to leave, or they have a bug. My guess is they were at max load, and don't really care about security enough to just say "we are at max load". I guess looking good is more important that serving us.
The best way to do it is a few days before the actual IP address change, go in and set the TTL on the zone file to 15 minutes. Let that propogate to all of the cashing DNS servers. Then when you do update the IP address on your DNS server, the changes propogate to everybody within 15 minutes guaranteed.
Of course in the interim, your DNS server will have a pretty heavy load. You probably don't want to keep it at 15 minutes for any longer than you need!
This is EXACTLY what I do, to the letter and to the minute. It works on 99% of caching servers (some are setup to override TTL, but they are rare). I run dedicated DNS servers, even tho the load is in the 0.02 range, mainly because of security, so the extra burden is not a problem. This also helps by having the extra capacity for an amatuer DOS attack.
Honestly, if I were to point to the future of miniaturized computing, I would definitely say innovative designs like the Pentium M are the way to go. Compared to the Pentium M's highly-efficient design, VIA's Winchip-derrived "low-power" core is a dodgy hack.
About 3 months ago, there was an article here about the new benchmarks of the M. I went and did some homework and found that in reality, the M was about as efficient (cycles vs. work done) as the PIII, and at similar speeds. Now it has the wireless and low power features, but it just proves how much the P4 is a POS. The M does look pretty good for miniture systems tho, I can't argue with that.
The IBM 970 (aka Apple G5) also has promise in this respect, but not on the Windows front. It is about the size of a celeron, uses less power than any similar powerful Intel chip (42W), and does significantly more work per cycle. They are talking about dual cpu laptops. I am just waiting for IBM to catch up with Apple's demand so it can start selling their own boxes with the 970 and GNU/Linux. They anticipate an empty 4x box to be 3500, pretty fine. Oh yea, it runs both 32 or 64 bit code faster than I64 or Opteron. And dual FPUs. And 1ghz bus. Some info here.
Most viruses? ALL viruses. The definition of a virus is a subcellular parasite. Incidently, because it is SUBcellular that means a virus is not considered to be alive.
Which makes me ask: in all this research we are doing to find "life" on mars, have we attempted to see if viruses exist outside of the earth? It would suck to spend $20billion to insure there is no life on mars, land, then die of some fucked up virus, millions of miles away, that came to Mars on an asteroid that was a planet 50 million years ago.
NASA said that it was worried about sending more maned missions up to the hubble since it is in a different orbit than the space station and if the mission is botched the shuttle would not be able to reach the station in an emergency.
With all due respect to the families, I am not so sure they know an emergency when they see it, literally.
I would feel better if we did everything we could to keep it in space until a replacement is operational, and then after that as long as it is cost effective. Its kinda what my dad told me about my first car: "Put as little money in it as you can, and drive it until it blows up."
yet another one of these... multitasking performance problems?
No, like most windows computers, it multitasks just fine as long as you only run one program at a time;)
Presumably you've got good reasons for running XP, but complaining about its well-known problems is sort of pointless. "I have to use this manure to fertilize my garden, but I wish it didn't smell like manure!"
The box is 6 months old, and I ran 2k before that. It is what came on the box, and I kept it because I *NEED* to learn it enough to admin it for the office. It really isn't whining as much as an observation. I have 2k and a key gen, er I mean spare license, so I could downgrade if I *had* to. Besides, if you can't bitch on/., where can you bitch?
they obviously don't trust their own users to keep their systems patched and/or behing firewalls
I'm an XP user (among other os's) and I don't trust the average Windows user either. Not ragging, just a fact. My mom is one of them.
My brother and I were joking around because mom asked him what she should do about "that new virus" (blaster). She asked him if unplugging the computer was enough, or if she needed to do more. I told him he should have told her to put the box in the refrigerator because everyone knows that viruses and germs won't grow when they are kept that cold. Yea, I know, slightly cruel, but I'm telling ya, she just MIGHT have done it if we could have kept from laughing.
So its not an insult to Windows users, its just a fact: Most are interested in doing stuff with their computers and expect them to be like a toaster, just plug it in and never think about it again.
Ironically, I bought my 67 year old mom the computer last christmas, she uses it every day, and she WAS smart enough to ask someone about it, more than I can say about a few/.ers , hehehe.
Microsoft is about to get into the AV business yet again. Keep in mind, MS does NOT consider those companies friends, rather they are competitors, so I can see MS letting them look bad with old links. That is not new for them.
Going to 'tools, windows update' in internet explorer takes you to a redir site on microsoft.com, which attempts to forward you to windowsupdate.com NOT windowsupdate.microsoft.com.. even still (~3PM EST). you'd think they'd at least fix that if they were fuckin with the dns..
You may not know this, but when you change an entry in DNS, it is not available to everyone for a while. This is due to caching (all ISP DNS servers are caching servers, of course). For instance, the AOL servers may have gotten the ip for the domain at 8am, and if it doesnt expire for 24 hours, their server will assume it is still at the same ip, so when an AOLer tries to go there (using AOL's DNS server) it will simply give that IP address, even tho it has changed. It wont go back to the SOA and check the serial number of the DNS entry to see if it is still valid until after it expires and someone requests it. So, it depends on the expiry of the DNS record before the change. My experience is that it takes 1 to 2 days for all the changes to fully propegate, and sometimes longer on some DNS servers if they override expiry.
Adding more salt to the wound I guess. I have also noticed that if their servers are not properly operating, they will say there are no updates available, even when there are. I have confirmed this twice when I KNEW there was an update that was not installed on the laptop (sometimes i go two weeks without using).
That is a pretty shitty way to handle a down server, by convincing your customers they are safe when they are not.
I installed and ran the Microsoft BSA utility that scans your computer for updates (windowsupdate looks in registry only) per the link above. It found 4 problems that WindowsUpdate can't find, so I followed the links, to read about them.
Problem is, when you click on the link to DOWNLOAD the actual patch for XP, it just redirects you to www.microsoft.com, so even their security tool is useless if you cant get to the files to manually install them. Fucking rediculous.
Windows NT won't work on my PCjr. I'm going to sue.
Nice troll, but its a pretty simple case of Apple not delivering on promises it made in order to get people to give them money.
If you had a G3, were promised OSx would work great, and your video card is STILL not supported (and Apple said now they changed their mind, it never will be) PLUS you can't play DVD's on your OEM DVD drive (same situation) then you might want the $129 you spent to "upgrade" back as well.
That is why they are settling, idiot. They are basically admitting they fucked up.
The reason they can't make cases any smaller is because of heat dissipation. The smaller the case, the harder it is to move air through it. Slap a 60-watt processor in it and you have a huge heat problem.
Ever see the older Apple Cubes?
If you want a really small computer, get an ITX case with one of those 800MHz or 1GHz VIA processors. They have them already that are the size of a CD-ROM drive - you just haven't looked hard enough:)
There was an article here on those, like $500 i think, about two months ago. I am just leary of VIA so far, and haven't seen much info on reliability. I have seen that performance is ~= a celeron at the same mhz.
It sounds nice and warm and fuzzy to have something "good" come out of the terrorist attacks. I think that in general, New Yorkers behave themselves because if they don't, life will really, really suck. First WTC bombing people? You didn't see people looting or freaking out.
While it was a terrible event, its hard to compare the two bombings, or even the power outages in the 93 bombing. It wasn't wide spread enough to make a comparison.
Yes, NYers did help each other before 9-11, but I still feel that it brought people closer together, and reminded them that we all depend on each other. Actually, all Americans, not just NYers. No one is saying NYers were asshole before 9-11 and super nice now. I am saying that after 9-11, it put things in perspective for lots of people, and we ALL got to see how one person could make a difference. My guess is more people in NY realize they can make a difference individually. And last night, many did. More so, perhaps, than would have 3 years ago.
Adverse situations tend to bring out the best in people, and they learn they can do more than they previously thought. It doesn't disappear overnight.
Please go back and read the parent. His attempt was to mispronounce "MICROORGANISM" to "MICROORGASM". It doesn't always work on./, just like visual gags don't always work on radio. Wasn't that funny when you DO get it.
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how about an ms-dos .bat web server?
I don't think that's gonna work. All you can call in a batch file is commands within your interpreter (usually command.com or 4dos.com) and exec files (*.com, *.bat, *.exe and others in windows only) The first thing you would have to do is have a command interpreter that wasn't a single user POS. Also, dos doesn't exactly have an easy way to talk tcp/ip or open a socket.
I guess you could possibly write a quick basic program and run it in dos, but you are likely to need much more code than I would want to write. Not much cool factor in making DOS do much of anything anymore, either.
but how do you tell the difference between slashdotting, and a regular page load? Just double-clicking on the link is likely to result in TC/IP timeouts.
.02 to .05 pages per second
/.ed it. Now, if he could get NFS to work, to connect it to a FC striped raid array.....
slashdotting == regular page load when you are at
So it really doesn't matter. The first time you test it, you HAVE effectively
Why would they need 500 server machines. It would seem that they could use desktop for there clients and only buy a handfull of servers to support those clients..
He never said that he had even one client. If the company has huge web traffic or does contract work, it can consume 500 servers. Hes not talking about the computer system for a car dealership, he is talking about an enterprise, and a big one at that.
Microsoft BSA utility which scans your computer? Methinks Pharmboy will get a visit from the stormtroopers tomorrow. ;-)
Stormtrooper via megaphone says: "Alright everyone. Hands off the computers. This is a license audit!"
Lol, I have to admit, the name made parts of me pucker up, too. But as I move more and more to Linux, its nice to know that is less and less an issue. Bitching about constant updates, security holes, bad scripting, closed source and crashes are also becoming less and less an issue as well.
The largest network I manage is only 15 clients and about 6 servers, but the whole licensing thing is really a consideration, not only for the expense of purchasing the licenses, but trying to keep up with what everyone else installs and keeping them legal. I do this as just a part of my job, alone. Linux is looking better and better every day.
was referring more to the part of your post where you made fun of her not knowing if unplugging her computer was enough.
;)
I was making fun of her because she is my mom (remember how I even said she was smart enough to ask). She is also the first to tell you to kiss her ass. We play for keeps in my family. Most people would have trouble dealing with so much "in your face humanity". Really, it gets pretty wild, although it still sounds weird hearing your own mother refer to someone as a "fucking asshole". And no, they are actually upper middle class, lol.
As to the crap you developers keep throwing out, remember, the first step is admitting you have a problem. Next is seek help among others with the same problem.
That's a big, smelly load of shit. Systems administrators should be required to read bugtraq and keep their systems patched. Users should only show common sense. We can't ask them to do these things. There are people working with computers that actually use them as tools to do work, rather than as objects of worship, as we geeks do. They don't want to know about driver install woes or our petty flavour of the month.
....yea, get your shit together, you guys suck. :D
I am not sure if you are suggesting I hire a sysadmin to manage Mommy's computer, or that she should not be expected to know how to do all this. My statement was that she doesn't, and shouldn't have to know about all that. Thats one reason i bought her a system with a sys restore disk, since I live 1300 miles away. To her its a game platform (casino games) and an email machine, so wiping it isnt the end of the world.
If you are saying she shouldn't have to know this, wtf are you doing argueing with me? That was my point: Its not their fault that they are not experts at upgrading their computers. My brother and I were just enjoying making fun of her about it. Fuck it, she's my mom, I can pick on her if I want. I bought her the box.
As to the "crap [you] Software Developers keep throwing out",
Twice I kept checking update over and over. Both times I tested it this way, within 30 minutes it magically found an update, so this tells me their servers were either overloaded and just telling me this to get me to leave, or they have a bug. My guess is they were at max load, and don't really care about security enough to just say "we are at max load". I guess looking good is more important that serving us.
The best way to do it is a few days before the actual IP address change, go in and set the TTL on the zone file to 15 minutes. Let that propogate to all of the cashing DNS servers. Then when you do update the IP address on your DNS server, the changes propogate to everybody within 15 minutes guaranteed.
Of course in the interim, your DNS server will have a pretty heavy load. You probably don't want to keep it at 15 minutes for any longer than you need!
This is EXACTLY what I do, to the letter and to the minute. It works on 99% of caching servers (some are setup to override TTL, but they are rare). I run dedicated DNS servers, even tho the load is in the 0.02 range, mainly because of security, so the extra burden is not a problem. This also helps by having the extra capacity for an amatuer DOS attack.
Honestly, if I were to point to the future of miniaturized computing, I would definitely say innovative designs like the Pentium M are the way to go. Compared to the Pentium M's highly-efficient design, VIA's Winchip-derrived "low-power" core is a dodgy hack.
About 3 months ago, there was an article here about the new benchmarks of the M. I went and did some homework and found that in reality, the M was about as efficient (cycles vs. work done) as the PIII, and at similar speeds. Now it has the wireless and low power features, but it just proves how much the P4 is a POS. The M does look pretty good for miniture systems tho, I can't argue with that.
The IBM 970 (aka Apple G5) also has promise in this respect, but not on the Windows front. It is about the size of a celeron, uses less power than any similar powerful Intel chip (42W), and does significantly more work per cycle. They are talking about dual cpu laptops. I am just waiting for IBM to catch up with Apple's demand so it can start selling their own boxes with the 970 and GNU/Linux. They anticipate an empty 4x box to be 3500, pretty fine. Oh yea, it runs both 32 or 64 bit code faster than I64 or Opteron. And dual FPUs. And 1ghz bus. Some info here.
Most viruses? ALL viruses. The definition of a virus is a subcellular parasite. Incidently, because it is SUBcellular that means a virus is not considered to be alive.
Which makes me ask: in all this research we are doing to find "life" on mars, have we attempted to see if viruses exist outside of the earth? It would suck to spend $20billion to insure there is no life on mars, land, then die of some fucked up virus, millions of miles away, that came to Mars on an asteroid that was a planet 50 million years ago.
NASA said that it was worried about sending more maned missions up to the hubble since it is in a different orbit than the space station and if the mission is botched the shuttle would not be able to reach the station in an emergency.
With all due respect to the families, I am not so sure they know an emergency when they see it, literally.
I would feel better if we did everything we could to keep it in space until a replacement is operational, and then after that as long as it is cost effective. Its kinda what my dad told me about my first car: "Put as little money in it as you can, and drive it until it blows up."
yet another one of these... multitasking performance problems?
;)
/., where can you bitch?
No, like most windows computers, it multitasks just fine as long as you only run one program at a time
Presumably you've got good reasons for running XP, but complaining about its well-known problems is sort of pointless. "I have to use this manure to fertilize my garden, but I wish it didn't smell like manure!"
The box is 6 months old, and I ran 2k before that. It is what came on the box, and I kept it because I *NEED* to learn it enough to admin it for the office. It really isn't whining as much as an observation. I have 2k and a key gen, er I mean spare license, so I could downgrade if I *had* to. Besides, if you can't bitch on
they obviously don't trust their own users to keep their systems patched and/or behing firewalls
/.ers , hehehe.
I'm an XP user (among other os's) and I don't trust the average Windows user either. Not ragging, just a fact. My mom is one of them.
My brother and I were joking around because mom asked him what she should do about "that new virus" (blaster). She asked him if unplugging the computer was enough, or if she needed to do more. I told him he should have told her to put the box in the refrigerator because everyone knows that viruses and germs won't grow when they are kept that cold. Yea, I know, slightly cruel, but I'm telling ya, she just MIGHT have done it if we could have kept from laughing.
So its not an insult to Windows users, its just a fact: Most are interested in doing stuff with their computers and expect them to be like a toaster, just plug it in and never think about it again.
Ironically, I bought my 67 year old mom the computer last christmas, she uses it every day, and she WAS smart enough to ask someone about it, more than I can say about a few
Microsoft is about to get into the AV business yet again. Keep in mind, MS does NOT consider those companies friends, rather they are competitors, so I can see MS letting them look bad with old links. That is not new for them.
Going to 'tools, windows update' in internet explorer takes you to a redir site on microsoft.com, which attempts to forward you to windowsupdate.com NOT windowsupdate.microsoft.com .. even still (~3PM EST). you'd think they'd at least fix that if they were fuckin with the dns..
You may not know this, but when you change an entry in DNS, it is not available to everyone for a while. This is due to caching (all ISP DNS servers are caching servers, of course). For instance, the AOL servers may have gotten the ip for the domain at 8am, and if it doesnt expire for 24 hours, their server will assume it is still at the same ip, so when an AOLer tries to go there (using AOL's DNS server) it will simply give that IP address, even tho it has changed. It wont go back to the SOA and check the serial number of the DNS entry to see if it is still valid until after it expires and someone requests it. So, it depends on the expiry of the DNS record before the change. My experience is that it takes 1 to 2 days for all the changes to fully propegate, and sometimes longer on some DNS servers if they override expiry.
Adding more salt to the wound I guess. I have also noticed that if their servers are not properly operating, they will say there are no updates available, even when there are. I have confirmed this twice when I KNEW there was an update that was not installed on the laptop (sometimes i go two weeks without using).
That is a pretty shitty way to handle a down server, by convincing your customers they are safe when they are not.
They ran Hotmail on Unix for years before changing it over. Remember, they purchased it, they didn't start it from scratch. Not that big a deal.
I installed and ran the Microsoft BSA utility that scans your computer for updates (windowsupdate looks in registry only) per the link above. It found 4 problems that WindowsUpdate can't find, so I followed the links, to read about them.
Problem is, when you click on the link to DOWNLOAD the actual patch for XP, it just redirects you to www.microsoft.com, so even their security tool is useless if you cant get to the files to manually install them. Fucking rediculous.
If I had mod points I would have modded this up.
Why? OSX is BSD is Unix. I would have modded it "Redundent".
Windows NT won't work on my PCjr. I'm going to sue.
Nice troll, but its a pretty simple case of Apple not delivering on promises it made in order to get people to give them money.
If you had a G3, were promised OSx would work great, and your video card is STILL not supported (and Apple said now they changed their mind, it never will be) PLUS you can't play DVD's on your OEM DVD drive (same situation) then you might want the $129 you spent to "upgrade" back as well.
That is why they are settling, idiot. They are basically admitting they fucked up.
The reason they can't make cases any smaller is because of heat dissipation. The smaller the case, the harder it is to move air through it. Slap a 60-watt processor in it and you have a huge heat problem.
:)
Ever see the older Apple Cubes?
If you want a really small computer, get an ITX case with one of those 800MHz or 1GHz VIA processors. They have them already that are the size of a CD-ROM drive - you just haven't looked hard enough
There was an article here on those, like $500 i think, about two months ago. I am just leary of VIA so far, and haven't seen much info on reliability. I have seen that performance is ~= a celeron at the same mhz.
It sounds nice and warm and fuzzy to have something "good" come out of the terrorist attacks. I think that in general, New Yorkers behave themselves because if they don't, life will really, really suck. First WTC bombing people? You didn't see people looting or freaking out.
While it was a terrible event, its hard to compare the two bombings, or even the power outages in the 93 bombing. It wasn't wide spread enough to make a comparison.
Yes, NYers did help each other before 9-11, but I still feel that it brought people closer together, and reminded them that we all depend on each other. Actually, all Americans, not just NYers. No one is saying NYers were asshole before 9-11 and super nice now. I am saying that after 9-11, it put things in perspective for lots of people, and we ALL got to see how one person could make a difference. My guess is more people in NY realize they can make a difference individually. And last night, many did. More so, perhaps, than would have 3 years ago.
Adverse situations tend to bring out the best in people, and they learn they can do more than they previously thought. It doesn't disappear overnight.
According to here funny moderations no longer help your Karma, I just thought you might want to know that.
:D
I capped out on karma a long time ago. I think I am up to 890 comments here, and as you can see, we both signed up about the same time
But good issue to bring up. I did not know they changed that policy, it appears in June of this year.
That said, I'd have to say red, since it goes with most iron-rich meats... mmmmmmm microbe-steak.
Oh, and good call on the red wine, makes sense to me. Not sure how much meat is on those bugs tho.
Please go back and read the parent. His attempt was to mispronounce "MICROORGANISM" to "MICROORGASM". It doesn't always work on ./, just like visual gags don't always work on radio. Wasn't that funny when you DO get it.
You sound like his agent trying to get him another gig :D