Will you quit misusing that word, astroturfing?
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You sound like you just discovered a shiny new hammer and now you feel like everything is a nail. You might just quit using it altogether.
Maybe you mean to use the word "pimp", such as "Slashdot loves to [pimp] the Segway". Used in this context, it implies that Slashdot overhypes the segway, hoping to gain reader enthusiasm, even if the hype is unfounded.
Astroturfing is clearly misused (and overused) in your post. As defined [A href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing]her e[/a], the word is used [i] to describe formal public relations projects which deliberately seek to engineer the impression of spontaneous and populist reactions to a... product [/i]. Since slashdot's effort is neither formal, nor is it trying to foster the impression of a spontaneous reaction by the people, this is clearly a bad example of word usage.
Please discontinue use of this word and any other geek slang words you may have picked up from this site, by reading Wired magazine, etc.
The only ones that would be on this standard ballot would be the presidential candidates. Then each precinct would still need to create an additional ballot for the reps, governor, judges, local referendums, etc.
You are right, we are talking about terrorists... AND the millions of "innocent" compatriots that passively and institutionally allow them to exist and operate in their countries, that support them with money and religious rhetoric.
If there were a cell originating from USA that was terrorizing Russia, for example, I would hold my government accountable to stop this cell from operating. I would not allow it to get to a point where Russia was mad at our country and declared war on us. Likewise, I hold Iraq, Afghanastan, and all those other radical countries to the same standards. They will know to be worried about our anger. They will learn to stop the activities originating in their countries. Or they will face our wrath.
They are anything but innocent. They are accountable for the collective actions of the countries they live in.
This is not about going off the grid, nor is it about reducing power consumption. What it is: Given our current insatiable power needs, is it possible to replace our oil-based infrastructure with one that is nuclear-based.
LED clocks don't consume much power. What does consume oil/power: automobiles, TV, computer, monitor, incandescent lights, A/C, heating, large appliances. What does not consume significant power: clocks. I doubt that "warm-start circuitry" has much of an effect on the bottom line when over half of my bill each month (and far more in the summer) is A/C or heating.
I don't know about you, but I am not about to go without the significant energy consumers in my life: computer, car, lights, refrigerator, W/D, and A/C. I have been known to buy energy-efficient versions of these, but this is only an incremental improvement.
In summary, we definitely need a better energy source.
The first prerequisite of war is that the aggressors collectively refuse to acknowledge that the victims are human.
How absurd. The only requisite is that their lives are worth less than our goals. I think it is quite obvious that we value our security and our childrens' lives much more than we value the lives of the terrorists that violate our personal liberties.
You obviously underestimate how much we value our personal liberties.
You think that Intel cancelled LCOS so they could shift resources to their processor line? You think they cancelled LCOS because of AMD? You don't think that TI's extremely successful DLP has anything to do with it? That's absurd. You, sir, are a troll.
Basically AMD has the better server option over Xeon for the next year or two Really? Please... substantiate this with facts. What the hell are you talking about?
Canceled - Next versions of the P4, Tejas Tejas was cancelled. Next version of P4 will still come out. There will definitely be a dual-core solution out early next year to fill the void that the 4GHz P4 left.
Canceled - The Alviso chip for notebooks Really? I heard it was only delayed. Here is a press release from a month ago indicating the Alviso chipset will be released with Dothan, the second generation Centrino, later this year. Since AMD chipset business is stagnated, and AMD has failed to gain market share in laptop processors, this will be a big win for Intel.
Realized they had to extend 64-bits to the Xeon/P4 line They obviously realized this years ago. They just didn't tell you about it because they wanted to give more momentum to 64-bit Itanium.
Realized they had to make Itanium run x86-64 This is still a rumor, probably true, though. But since Itanium has always been able to run all P4 code in legacy mode, would x86-64 be an exception?
So go back to how is any of your FUD relevant to LCOS? It's not. Intel is obviously getting down to the fundamentals across the board. Trimming off projects that will not be successful, refocusing those that could, and pursuing only those that have growth potential in the future. LCOS is just another part of that.
This demonstrates that Intel is willing to play the survival game the way that AMD and other competitors play. What mileage will AMD get out of saying "we were the first ones to publicly announce an x86-64 solution"? Big deal. If they fail to execute on it, they got nowhere. If anything, AMD has more to be concerned about than before.
You mean heavily invested in HD-DVD? The answer is most definitely yes. They would not be on the steering committee without a vested interest in the format. The early release is clearly an attempt to advance the HD-DVD market penetration.
Reasons why HD-DVD could be better suited for a laptop (I don't know which apply though):
consumes less power
is less susceptible to vibration
smaller form factor
less heat dissipated (either due to disc rpm or embedded processing)
Intel continued to use the MHz race because the public was on board, and simply because they were able to maintain a demonstrable lead in the race due to their process technology lead. They preserved their enormous market share and high margins by spending decades convincing the public that MHz was the key.
It will be difficult for them to apply as much inertia into another simple metric that the public will understand and by whose measure they will be able to remain the clear leader. They need to come up with another marketing story that pushes yet another metric that is again closely tied to their process superiority. I don't know what this is, but I'm sure they have a new story that we will see when they do their multi-core HT rollout.
AMD did not exactly "win" simply because they gave up the MHz war so soon. Yes, they were the first, but they didn't have much of a choice since they knew they could not scale to 65nm process geometry like Intel could. They had to alter their architecture earlier. Intel did not, and it worked in their favor for more years.
It is obvious from the past that Intel's marketing story will never resemble AMD's. They are not "following AMDs lead" unless by that you mean they were able to scale clock speed for a longer time than AMD was.
The government cannot enact a law based on matters of individual opinion??? You mean, they can't ban smoking, or speeding, or fighting, or stealing, or killing, or raping, or vandalizing?
This may just be the dumbest law ever proposed. You forgot this one:
DEFINITION: For purposes of legal interpretation, feelings are now considered part of my personal liberties.
AMENDMENT: No laws can be made that might hurt my feelings.
Waah, waah... now go back and join the rest of your third grade class.
The numbers he quoted were already assuming a 12% efficiency (read the noaa article he linked). The industry assumption is that this efficiency can possibly increase 2-5x if properly researched.
Also, the 3.33kWh/m^2/day is quoted as the lowest number in the continental USA, and in the southwest we will fare a bit better (for AZ, it was 5.7/day). But of course we'll have to run the AC, which consumes more power:)
The main problem with his numbers is that they 3.3kWh/m^2/day.
This means that even if you increase your collector efficency by 5x, and you are driving in AZ then you are still looking at a car that can expend a total of 5.7 * 5 = 28.5 kWh/day. This, according to CG's calculations above, offsets about.77 gal/day. So, if you are driving a prius that gets 60 mpg, you can commute up to 46 mi/day. Not too bad really, if all you're doing is commuting.
That is a fantastically optimistic and well-written post. Are you a professional speaker/writer?
I wonder about it though. Some of the most marked and progressive changes in history came about by one of two things: 1) conquest, such as British presence within India, Hong Kong, Australia, etc. Those countries are far better off (by the American/British definition of being better off) than they were before, resulting in more egalitarian republics. 2) western expansion. The best example of this is USA (again, by American/British standards). The expansion allowed founders to start over, completely rethinking governments of old. Western thinking has had a profound impact on the rest of the world (although as Central/South America demonstrate, the opportunity to start over is also an opportunity for even worse corruption and oligarchy)
So my conclusion is that the current international stability and the lack of unexplored territory provide no major opportunity for significant governmental or social advances.
I regret I will likely not live long enough to see a privately-funded 'space station' leave earth with a large and diverse populous who wants to see drastic change. In the same way the British/Spanish/etc. explorers founded the US of A.
Good luck finding a proc at that speed needing no fans. Most heat sinks rely on some amount of air movement, so if the proc requires a heat sink, it generally requires a fan.
Even laptop processors run too hot.. The centrino uses a smaller amount of power, proportional to the computation being done. It also implements heat throttling, so I wonder how effective it would be if you remove the fan completely (probably not very effective at all) since the geometry is quite small and the heat density is high.
You could even try going with an Xscale, which runs nearly 1 GHz at 1+ watts. At that power dissipation, it doesn't really need a fan, just a heat sink. It also implements the throttling IIRC, so will not fry if you run it too hard. I don't know if you can buy an OEM board for it though.
Then there's your price issue. I don't think you are going to get all that power savings you want and at the same time save money.
It sounds like what you really want is a super-cheap system to get you by until your next super-cheap upgrade. You may want to permanently stay 5 years behind the consumer curve, which is way on-the-cheap. Try looking at pricewatch for a complete system (your choice of OS). They have older models (such as a 2.0GHz P4, etc) for ~$250.
I think the main purpose of the AM tuner would be to achieve Tivo-like functionality on a radio. If you listen to AM talk radio, you would know that there is about 50% content and 50% commercials. To me, this is not an acceptable compensation for my time, therefore I will not listen to talk radio for any prolonged period of time. But if I could Tivo the radio (for a reasonable cost) I would definitely listen to AM more.
Here is an AM Tivo-like product, but it is $150. The sad thing is that it is probably 80% redundant (except for the AM tuner) with other MP3 players that can record from FM. I don't want a 2nd mp3 unit though. Why can't I pay $50 extra for a nice mp3 player that has the functionality I want?
Is this to open the window? I thought electric windows were already "unroll by wire"? Is it possible that we will see overly obfuscated interfaces in the future as well??
What are you smoking? When has IBM put out 65nm parts? AMD is barely just sampling 90nm parts. IBM still has yield volume issues in their low volume 90nm production over last 2 quarters. Intel has been shipping 90nm Prescotts in high volume for 3 quarters now. NOBODY is shipping 65nm. Someone should do more homework.
If you read further on ASML, you would know that the 65nm platform has been well on the market since early 2003. Even the process leader (i.e. Intel) has not delivered a 65nm based product. But they are among the closest, actually demonstrating a functional part as per their press release.
Long after the equipment is available, companies must demonstrate a process, fund, build, and equip extremely expensive fabrication facilities, and finally tune a process that has a profitable yield. The lithography equipment availability is only a small early step you need to realize.
Contrary to your implication, ASML have not yet delivered their 45nm lithography platform. Your link above points to a 65nm lithography page. Note the lead time for 65nm I described above, the many technological hurdles that 65 must clear before appearing in actual silicon on the market, and you will understand that 45nm is still several years additionally further away.
Really, you sound desperate to dismiss Intel's market leadership, when really I think it is exciting that we will again see smaller cheaper memory technology in the next few years. Especially when you notice that 240-pin DDR2 PC2-5300 RAM is still close to $200.
Here is the actual press release:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20 040830net.htm It is solidly-worded, in typical Intel style. You can give credit for the actual odd wording of the article to the BBC who wrote it.
Regarding your "clarification" statement... Hmmm.. thanks, but I don't need your "clarification".
Just to help avoid any confusion here, this is not some new clever transistor design or something. It's just another incremental step in process size reduction. It happens every few years. And it's not just Intel -- I know IBM and NEC are doing 65nm right now as well.
Hahaha... you think this is just a trivial incremental advance? You must not understand the tremendous effort and expense that are put into each process reduction. It doesn't just "happen" every few years. You must be new to technology.
FYI, from the Intel press release:
A significant milestone in developing next-generation chip manufacturing technology has been achieved by Intel Corporation. The company has built fully functional 70-megabit static random access memory (SRAM) chips with more than half a billion transistors using the world's most advanced 65 nanometer (nm) process technology.
From the sounds of the press release, Intel is far ahead of its competitors when it comes to 65nm. The competition is just scratching the surface of 65nm. AMD is working with IBM, and AMD has just started producing 90nm parts, much less 65nm. I suggest you start RTFA and understanding the market before you post.
You're right about it not being funny. And forget cosmetic -- what about functional enhancement to give people non-cosmetic advantages?
What about its impact on organized sports. Imagine a football player with spikes grown out of his forearm. Or a boxer with extra-long knuckles to shape the hand into something more devastating. Can you grow longer legs (running) or wider feet (swimming) too? Rulebooks would have to change to make these illegal.
What if someone with these mods punches someone else on a street? Is it assault with deadly weapon (like isn't this the case when you have a black belt and you know your karate can be lethal, or is this an urban legend?) Do law books need to change on this too?
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You sound like you just discovered a shiny new hammer and now you feel like everything is a nail. You might just quit using it altogether.
r e[/a], the word is used [i] to describe formal public relations projects which deliberately seek to engineer the impression of spontaneous and populist reactions to a... product [/i]. Since slashdot's effort is neither formal, nor is it trying to foster the impression of a spontaneous reaction by the people, this is clearly a bad example of word usage.
Maybe you mean to use the word "pimp", such as "Slashdot loves to [pimp] the Segway". Used in this context, it implies that Slashdot overhypes the segway, hoping to gain reader enthusiasm, even if the hype is unfounded.
Astroturfing is clearly misused (and overused) in your post. As defined [A href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing]he
Please discontinue use of this word and any other geek slang words you may have picked up from this site, by reading Wired magazine, etc.
The only ones that would be on this standard ballot would be the presidential candidates. Then each precinct would still need to create an additional ballot for the reps, governor, judges, local referendums, etc.
You are right, we are talking about terrorists... AND the millions of "innocent" compatriots that passively and institutionally allow them to exist and operate in their countries, that support them with money and religious rhetoric.
If there were a cell originating from USA that was terrorizing Russia, for example, I would hold my government accountable to stop this cell from operating. I would not allow it to get to a point where Russia was mad at our country and declared war on us. Likewise, I hold Iraq, Afghanastan, and all those other radical countries to the same standards. They will know to be worried about our anger. They will learn to stop the activities originating in their countries. Or they will face our wrath.
They are anything but innocent. They are accountable for the collective actions of the countries they live in.
This is not about going off the grid, nor is it about reducing power consumption. What it is: Given our current insatiable power needs, is it possible to replace our oil-based infrastructure with one that is nuclear-based.
LED clocks don't consume much power. What does consume oil/power: automobiles, TV, computer, monitor, incandescent lights, A/C, heating, large appliances. What does not consume significant power: clocks. I doubt that "warm-start circuitry" has much of an effect on the bottom line when over half of my bill each month (and far more in the summer) is A/C or heating.
I don't know about you, but I am not about to go without the significant energy consumers in my life: computer, car, lights, refrigerator, W/D, and A/C. I have been known to buy energy-efficient versions of these, but this is only an incremental improvement.
In summary, we definitely need a better energy source.
The first prerequisite of war is that the aggressors collectively refuse to acknowledge that the victims are human.
How absurd. The only requisite is that their lives are worth less than our goals. I think it is quite obvious that we value our security and our childrens' lives much more than we value the lives of the terrorists that violate our personal liberties.
You obviously underestimate how much we value our personal liberties.
I thought they only sold xeon servers, not workstations. I looked into it a while back, but maybe I missed something...
Coupled with the xeon trade-in program, you can take a further $600 off off the w2100z price.
I wonder how much AMD is subsidizing the deal to gain more market saturation?
The truth is, the xeon is incredibly popular. I still can't get over how HP dropped itanium due to xeon. So why won't Sun sell a xeon?
You think that Intel cancelled LCOS so they could shift resources to their processor line? You think they cancelled LCOS because of AMD? You don't think that TI's extremely successful DLP has anything to do with it? That's absurd. You, sir, are a troll.
Basically AMD has the better server option over Xeon for the next year or two
Really? Please... substantiate this with facts. What the hell are you talking about?
Canceled - Next versions of the P4, Tejas
Tejas was cancelled. Next version of P4 will still come out. There will definitely be a dual-core solution out early next year to fill the void that the 4GHz P4 left.
Canceled - The Alviso chip for notebooks
Really? I heard it was only delayed. Here is a press release from a month ago indicating the Alviso chip set will be released with Dothan, the second generation Centrino, later this year. Since AMD chipset business is stagnated, and AMD has failed to gain market share in laptop processors, this will be a big win for Intel.
Realized they had to extend 64-bits to the Xeon/P4 line
They obviously realized this years ago. They just didn't tell you about it because they wanted to give more momentum to 64-bit Itanium.
Realized they had to make Itanium run x86-64
This is still a rumor, probably true, though. But since Itanium has always been able to run all P4 code in legacy mode, would x86-64 be an exception?
So go back to how is any of your FUD relevant to LCOS? It's not. Intel is obviously getting down to the fundamentals across the board. Trimming off projects that will not be successful, refocusing those that could, and pursuing only those that have growth potential in the future. LCOS is just another part of that.
This demonstrates that Intel is willing to play the survival game the way that AMD and other competitors play. What mileage will AMD get out of saying "we were the first ones to publicly announce an x86-64 solution"? Big deal. If they fail to execute on it, they got nowhere. If anything, AMD has more to be concerned about than before.
Reasons why HD-DVD could be better suited for a laptop (I don't know which apply though):
consumes less power
is less susceptible to vibration
smaller form factor
less heat dissipated (either due to disc rpm or embedded processing)
LOL, thanks for pointing that out :)
Intel continued to use the MHz race because the public was on board, and simply because they were able to maintain a demonstrable lead in the race due to their process technology lead. They preserved their enormous market share and high margins by spending decades convincing the public that MHz was the key.
It will be difficult for them to apply as much inertia into another simple metric that the public will understand and by whose measure they will be able to remain the clear leader. They need to come up with another marketing story that pushes yet another metric that is again closely tied to their process superiority. I don't know what this is, but I'm sure they have a new story that we will see when they do their multi-core HT rollout.
AMD did not exactly "win" simply because they gave up the MHz war so soon. Yes, they were the first, but they didn't have much of a choice since they knew they could not scale to 65nm process geometry like Intel could. They had to alter their architecture earlier. Intel did not, and it worked in their favor for more years.
It is obvious from the past that Intel's marketing story will never resemble AMD's. They are not "following AMDs lead" unless by that you mean they were able to scale clock speed for a longer time than AMD was.
Or... if you RTFA, you would be able to do better than just "guess" that Intel would be releasing a 4GHz part. ;)
What this means is that Intel will probably be releasing a multi-core HT product in the same market window that the 4MHz part occupied.
Isn't this a full quarter in advance of what we expected? Won't this put their release in the same window as AMDs multi-core release?
This may just be the dumbest law ever proposed. You forgot this one:
Waah, waah... now go back and join the rest of your third grade class.
The numbers he quoted were already assuming a 12% efficiency (read the noaa article he linked). The industry assumption is that this efficiency can possibly increase 2-5x if properly researched.
:)
.77 gal/day. So, if you are driving a prius that gets 60 mpg, you can commute up to 46 mi/day. Not too bad really, if all you're doing is commuting.
Also, the 3.33kWh/m^2/day is quoted as the lowest number in the continental USA, and in the southwest we will fare a bit better (for AZ, it was 5.7/day). But of course we'll have to run the AC, which consumes more power
The main problem with his numbers is that they 3.3kWh/m^2/day.
This means that even if you increase your collector efficency by 5x, and you are driving in AZ then you are still looking at a car that can expend a total of 5.7 * 5 = 28.5 kWh/day. This, according to CG's calculations above, offsets about
That is a fantastically optimistic and well-written post. Are you a professional speaker/writer?
I wonder about it though. Some of the most marked and progressive changes in history came about by one of two things:
1) conquest, such as British presence within India, Hong Kong, Australia, etc. Those countries are far better off (by the American/British definition of being better off) than they were before, resulting in more egalitarian republics.
2) western expansion. The best example of this is USA (again, by American/British standards). The expansion allowed founders to start over, completely rethinking governments of old. Western thinking has had a profound impact on the rest of the world (although as Central/South America demonstrate, the opportunity to start over is also an opportunity for even worse corruption and oligarchy)
So my conclusion is that the current international stability and the lack of unexplored territory provide no major opportunity for significant governmental or social advances.
I regret I will likely not live long enough to see a privately-funded 'space station' leave earth with a large and diverse populous who wants to see drastic change. In the same way the British/Spanish/etc. explorers founded the US of A.
Good luck finding a proc at that speed needing no fans. Most heat sinks rely on some amount of air movement, so if the proc requires a heat sink, it generally requires a fan.
Even laptop processors run too hot.. The centrino uses a smaller amount of power, proportional to the computation being done. It also implements heat throttling, so I wonder how effective it would be if you remove the fan completely (probably not very effective at all) since the geometry is quite small and the heat density is high.
You could even try going with an Xscale, which runs nearly 1 GHz at 1+ watts. At that power dissipation, it doesn't really need a fan, just a heat sink. It also implements the throttling IIRC, so will not fry if you run it too hard. I don't know if you can buy an OEM board for it though.
Then there's your price issue. I don't think you are going to get all that power savings you want and at the same time save money.
It sounds like what you really want is a super-cheap system to get you by until your next super-cheap upgrade. You may want to permanently stay 5 years behind the consumer curve, which is way on-the-cheap. Try looking at pricewatch for a complete system (your choice of OS). They have older models (such as a 2.0GHz P4, etc) for ~$250.
I think the main purpose of the AM tuner would be to achieve Tivo-like functionality on a radio. If you listen to AM talk radio, you would know that there is about 50% content and 50% commercials. To me, this is not an acceptable compensation for my time, therefore I will not listen to talk radio for any prolonged period of time. But if I could Tivo the radio (for a reasonable cost) I would definitely listen to AM more.
Here is an AM Tivo-like product, but it is $150. The sad thing is that it is probably 80% redundant (except for the AM tuner) with other MP3 players that can record from FM. I don't want a 2nd mp3 unit though. Why can't I pay $50 extra for a nice mp3 player that has the functionality I want?
Is this to open the window? I thought electric windows were already "unroll by wire"? Is it possible that we will see overly obfuscated interfaces in the future as well??
as in "overseas from Spielberg"
What are you smoking? When has IBM put out 65nm parts? AMD is barely just sampling 90nm parts. IBM still has yield volume issues in their low volume 90nm production over last 2 quarters. Intel has been shipping 90nm Prescotts in high volume for 3 quarters now. NOBODY is shipping 65nm. Someone should do more homework.
If you read further on ASML, you would know that the 65nm platform has been well on the market since early 2003. Even the process leader (i.e. Intel) has not delivered a 65nm based product. But they are among the closest, actually demonstrating a functional part as per their press release.
Long after the equipment is available, companies must demonstrate a process, fund, build, and equip extremely expensive fabrication facilities, and finally tune a process that has a profitable yield. The lithography equipment availability is only a small early step you need to realize.
Contrary to your implication, ASML have not yet delivered their 45nm lithography platform. Your link above points to a 65nm lithography page. Note the lead time for 65nm I described above, the many technological hurdles that 65 must clear before appearing in actual silicon on the market, and you will understand that 45nm is still several years additionally further away.
Really, you sound desperate to dismiss Intel's market leadership, when really I think it is exciting that we will again see smaller cheaper memory technology in the next few years. Especially when you notice that 240-pin DDR2 PC2-5300 RAM is still close to $200.
You're right about it not being funny. And forget cosmetic -- what about functional enhancement to give people non-cosmetic advantages?
What about its impact on organized sports. Imagine a football player with spikes grown out of his forearm. Or a boxer with extra-long knuckles to shape the hand into something more devastating. Can you grow longer legs (running) or wider feet (swimming) too? Rulebooks would have to change to make these illegal.
What if someone with these mods punches someone else on a street? Is it assault with deadly weapon (like isn't this the case when you have a black belt and you know your karate can be lethal, or is this an urban legend?) Do law books need to change on this too?
Aren't you more worried about someone crashing through your window?
We could easily have another 9/11 on our hands. How could you prevent someone from driving a car containing a bomb into a building?