Apart from connecting to a TV signal this has almost nothing in common with EyeTV.
It is basically for people without many computer skills. They've got a computer (probably running Windows, maybe OSX) but they don't use it much. They've probably got broadband and they like watching TV. Usually they watch TV on their TV. Sometimes they want to watch it on their computer, sometimes they want to watch it on their laptop, sometimes on their mobile, sometimes overseas or at a friend's house.
Compare that to EyeTV. EyeTV is for people with a decent modern (OSX) computer that want to watch TV on their Mac with its nice screen. How can an EyeTV user watch what is currently playing at home while overseas? What about if they're in bed with their laptop, can you use your EyeTV plugged into your desktop to help? Even if you can with a few hacks here and there, won't that require your desktop to be turned on?
When I run commercial software I see lots of stupid ads, lots of stupid splash screens, lots of stupid EULAs. When I run free software I see no adds, few splash screens and no EULAs.
It is part of what makes free software different. Giving up and saying "okay, we'll have EULAs too is like saying, okay, we'll have DRM too, we'll just default to setting everything off." You lose an opportunity to make users think 'hey, cool, no stupid licence I have to scroll through without reading.'
I've got something called 'Kerry' in my KDE desktop. I haven't looked at the source so I don't know exactly what it is doing, but I know it is based on Beagle and from a user's perspective appears to do much the same as spotlight does on a mac. It is a fair bit slower than I remember spotlight being - takes roughly 5s for a search of a few gigs of data (all fully indexed). It correctly indexes quite a number of document types including HTML and PDF. It claims to do "Office Documents, Conversations, Images and Media" too...
Also, it's interface is not as good as spotlight's - it tries to be its own application rather than a little widget in the background.
Still, I would say it is a decent enough clone - certainly not a missing feature.
As I said to him. Find out, post the answer to the compatibility list, and we'll all know.
If you care about this program, it is what - 20 mins work - to run the installer in wine and see. Add in 5 mins for adding it to the database and you've spent half an hour finding out something you wanted to know, and helped your fellow man and that anonymous coward.
Now, I have better things to do with my time than trying out programs I don't use. For the programs I do use, you'll find my compatibility reports listed along with everybody elses. There is what, about a million windows programs? I can easily enough blow half an hour on the half-dozen I care about and if everybody else does the same then we'll cover every program.
Rather than answer post random requests on random forums, the Wine and crossover people nicely organised a database of what works and what doesn't. Every program that people who care about sharing have tried is in that database. If your program is listed there you can look it up and if it isn't then it means nobody only lazy bitchers care about your program.
If I spent my time looking up a program I don't care about and tried it out for someone like you who is too lazy to try it yourself, and I then post it on./, then you and maybe a few others you tell or who happen to read the./ article will know. Alternatively, I could post it to the place where it belongs and everybody who comes along afterwards will get to see if it works or not. What do I gain out of doing that? A little Karma for helping my fellow man. What would you gain from doing the same thing? The same Karma, and you'd have a working program if it works. Plus you'd get the whole job done faster than me since you already know how to use the program.
I contribute a lot to open-source projects. I do it by sending patches when I fix a bug, by entering things into compatibility databases when I try them out. I do not do it by looking for people bitching on public forums and helping them out. For a minimal amount of extra effort when I do a job, I help a number of other people. Sometimes just one or two, sometimes hundreds.
I don't know you and I don't owe you anything. You've asked me and everybody else -- out of the kindness of our hearts -- go and try a program for you so that you won't have to bother. I suppose you'd like someone to go to work for you so that you won't have to too? Do you need your backside wiped? I'm sure we could find somebody here who won't mind doing it.
This program, whatever it is called, matters to you. So how about you contribute a bit by seeing if it works just like thousands of people before you contributed by seeing if the programs they care about work. Or the other thousands of people contributed even more by getting their programs to work. You might even see some contributions of mine there while you're at it.
Open Source saves me a shitload of time and money and it is going to continue to do so. If you want to save a shitload of time and money, you can join in. Alternatively you can go to hell as you so eloquently put it.
I don't think the stores care that much - pirates will get their illegal software through bittorrent just as easily as via an apple store. The stores are there to help the customers, not the pirates.
Prostate cancer has a much higher tendency to affect older people than brest cancer. When you're old, people expect you to get sick... People don't like the idea of previously healthy 40 year olds suddenly getting mortally ill and prostate is less of a problem in this age bracket than brest cancer.
And mine was over 400... My theory is it depends how wide an area you covered, with highly original research in a single field being shorter. Mine spanned three fields, so I had three complete literature reviews. Actually, one of my literature reviews was as long as your entire thesis. Maybe your field just didn't have enough other people:)
You're obviously not using lisp for interoperabilit with others, so why not learn a language that's fixed the most glaring faults in lisp while staying very true to its principles? Besides, bad programmers can still write lisp macros: Put a backtick at the start, and a comma before every argument. Not that hard really.
Now, if you want a challenge, learn a pure functional language instead of one that only goes half way...:)
I ran into this too on a number of occasions but eventually found how to avoid it. The solution is simple: Do NOT run emerge sync. If you restrict yourself to syncing once a MONTH at most, then you will get a) a largely up-to-date distribution and b) a stable system that isn't changing every day.
Just because gentoo gives you the ability to update daily does not mean you should. In Debian daily updates won't cause many problems since the packages are quite carefully tested but gentoo is another matter.
How many people are employed worldwide producing commodity software? 0.01% That means this 'donut' model is an ideal fit for roughly 99.99% of the world's population. I guess that's tough luck to the unlucky few.
Based on two comments, I rounded both c and pi incorrectly (truncating instead of rounding.)
Embarassing as that is, I think it proves my point. I haven't used c in over ten years, and pi in some months. Despite coming from a background of scientific reasoning I am already losing these basic constants! In a few decades, what's the odds that I'll still remember 100 212? 0.8? At 80% would still give millions of people who won't remember. And what about those who were goofing off in science class instead of spending their weekends writing basic programs?
No. Everyone in the US knew that at some point in the (distant) past. If they kept up their brain at all since then they probably do still know it. I would be shocked to find more than a tiny fraction of a percent on/. didn't have a good feel for 100 degrees celcius, but in the general population.... it would be like knowing 9.8 m/s/s or 2.997E8 m/s, or 3.1415926 or 2.71828 or... if they aren't used then they are forgotten. I wouldn't like to guess what proportion have forgotten, but it would be a significant.
My experience of VB.net is just an hour long - after I'd finished a training course on C# the instructor decided to teach us all VB.net so we could learn the similarity. Before then the last time I had touched VB was VB6. Surprisingly good training course incidentially, I learned how a fair chunk of.net, the syntax of C#, how to create C# websites and how to use the MS IDE, oh, and that VB.net doesn't fix all my criticisms of VB.
Going from C# to VB.net I was reminded repeatedly about all the stupid design decisions built into basic that encourage bad programming. Sure, a good number of them had been forced out by the requirement to be CLI compliant, and I got the feeling that a decent programmer could make a not bad VB.net program if they wanted whereas when I was writing VB in VB6 I nearly tore my hair out trying to write decent code. However, a whole heap of the BASIC cruft remained in VB.net and I'm sure a poor programmer would naturally take advantage of that cruft just like they used to do in VB for the same reason that they traditionally find more restrictive languages such as Java hard.
As for hacking up garbage in Python. Well, you can hack up garbage in any language, the question is how easy it is. Python, like C#, Java and others tries to make good software engineering easier and ugly garbage harder. It doesn't do that as well as some languages (I mean, what's with "if __name__ == '__main__':"?) But it does much better than BASIC (incl. VB.net). Constructs such as reusable strings are pretty easy and natural in Python, so putting magic values in your code is very easy to avoid (the python IDE we use highlights all magic values in red by default - something that would get annoying if they weren't so easily avoided.)
Hmm, what else... It is all fairly anecdotal I guess. I like Python, it is elegant and simple. I quite like C#, it combines some good points of C with good OO and an excellent class library. I don't like Java much, it is verbose without benefit too often. I like C, it lets me visualise the assembly being generated without the time required to write the assembly myself. I hate basic, it requires many lines of code where one would do without giving you the control of C. Realistically though, my current job is all python (+ R,SQL) based so the only time I get to use.net is with IronPython and since I quite like.net, I see IronPython as a good thing.
I know we run a fairly relaxed workplace here and yet, while using other languages is tolerated, using anything except python is quite strongly discouraged. Sadly I guess that 'x is our language of choice' is enforced elsewhere. (I spent a couple hours yesterday porting a perl program I wrote to python to conform to the language requirement here. Or rather, "so that other people will be able to read the code after you've left.")
As a.net CLR language, it can integrate with any other.net language including VB.net very easily. This integration is tight enough that you can write each function in your program in a different language, or write the GUI in VB.net and the support code in IronPython.net
No, it is not as easy for non-programmers.
Can it be used to create guis...? Yes it can. At some point it could be made as easy as it is in VB.net; if I were on the development team then that would not be high on my priority list. Leave the toy languages for interactive GUI prototyping, and leave IronPython for code-driven development. However, that's just me and other people have different itches they want scratched.
I see IronPython as a very valuable development and it will make interacting with standard Microsoft-only developers on windows much easier since I will now be able to use a language I like while maintaining 100% compatability and interoperability.
VB is a language that poor programmers find very easy to hack up (unmaintainable) solutions in. I imagine that the same programmers will find Python (and therefore IronPython) considerably harder to hack up solutions in.
Because it is CLR, it is easy for you to integrate python code with the ugly solutions poor programmers have written in VB.net. So next time some non-programmer shows you their awful business-critical program and asks you to add a feature, you will be able to do it in (Iron)Python. I see that as a good thing.
I don't see IronPython being adopted by the non-programmers though.
Did you read what the latest leaflets said? "Any veichle seen moving will be destroyed." Or do you think it is coincidental that so many people over this massacre have been killed on the roads? On TV here we routinely see convoys being shelled by Israelis as refugees try to flee. Lets make something clear: the Israelis are targetting anything they can to maximise Lebanese suffering while trying to avoid too much political fallout in the west. On the other side, Hezbollah would not consider any tactic `below the belt', and I'm sure that includes sending suicide bombers in, though that is more a Hamas tactic.
Personally I think if one side in any conflict is routinely raping the other with punitive political, economic and military action then it is entirely morally acceptable for the underdog to do ANYTHING in retaliation.
Slashdot Mirror
Seems to be slashdotted already
Apart from connecting to a TV signal this has almost nothing in common with EyeTV.
It is basically for people without many computer skills. They've got a computer (probably running Windows, maybe OSX) but they don't use it much. They've probably got broadband and they like watching TV. Usually they watch TV on their TV. Sometimes they want to watch it on their computer, sometimes they want to watch it on their laptop, sometimes on their mobile, sometimes overseas or at a friend's house.
Compare that to EyeTV. EyeTV is for people with a decent modern (OSX) computer that want to watch TV on their Mac with its nice screen. How can an EyeTV user watch what is currently playing at home while overseas? What about if they're in bed with their laptop, can you use your EyeTV plugged into your desktop to help? Even if you can with a few hacks here and there, won't that require your desktop to be turned on?
When I run commercial software I see lots of stupid ads, lots of stupid splash screens, lots of stupid EULAs.
When I run free software I see no adds, few splash screens and no EULAs.
It is part of what makes free software different. Giving up and saying "okay, we'll have EULAs too is like saying, okay, we'll have DRM too, we'll just default to setting everything off." You lose an opportunity to make users think 'hey, cool, no stupid licence I have to scroll through without reading.'
I've got something called 'Kerry' in my KDE desktop. I haven't looked at the source so I don't know exactly what it is doing, but I know it is based on Beagle and from a user's perspective appears to do much the same as spotlight does on a mac. It is a fair bit slower than I remember spotlight being - takes roughly 5s for a search of a few gigs of data (all fully indexed). It correctly indexes quite a number of document types including HTML and PDF. It claims to do "Office Documents, Conversations, Images and Media" too...
Also, it's interface is not as good as spotlight's - it tries to be its own application rather than a little widget in the background.
Still, I would say it is a decent enough clone - certainly not a missing feature.
Try eating meat from an animal that's been stressed to death and you won't think that chasing an animal will make it tender...
As I said to him. Find out, post the answer to the compatibility list, and we'll all know.
If you care about this program, it is what - 20 mins work - to run the installer in wine and see. Add in 5 mins for adding it to the database and you've spent half an hour finding out something you wanted to know, and helped your fellow man and that anonymous coward.
Now, I have better things to do with my time than trying out programs I don't use. For the programs I do use, you'll find my compatibility reports listed along with everybody elses. There is what, about a million windows programs? I can easily enough blow half an hour on the half-dozen I care about and if everybody else does the same then we'll cover every program.
Rather than answer post random requests on random forums, the Wine and crossover people nicely organised a database of what works and what doesn't. Every program that people who care about sharing have tried is in that database. If your program is listed there you can look it up and if it isn't then it means nobody only lazy bitchers care about your program.
./, then you and maybe a few others you tell or who happen to read the ./ article will know. Alternatively, I could post it to the place where it belongs and everybody who comes along afterwards will get to see if it works or not. What do I gain out of doing that? A little Karma for helping my fellow man. What would you gain from doing the same thing? The same Karma, and you'd have a working program if it works. Plus you'd get the whole job done faster than me since you already know how to use the program.
If I spent my time looking up a program I don't care about and tried it out for someone like you who is too lazy to try it yourself, and I then post it on
I contribute a lot to open-source projects. I do it by sending patches when I fix a bug, by entering things into compatibility databases when I try them out. I do not do it by looking for people bitching on public forums and helping them out. For a minimal amount of extra effort when I do a job, I help a number of other people. Sometimes just one or two, sometimes hundreds.
I don't know you and I don't owe you anything. You've asked me and everybody else -- out of the kindness of our hearts -- go and try a program for you so that you won't have to bother. I suppose you'd like someone to go to work for you so that you won't have to too? Do you need your backside wiped? I'm sure we could find somebody here who won't mind doing it.
This program, whatever it is called, matters to you. So how about you contribute a bit by seeing if it works just like thousands of people before you contributed by seeing if the programs they care about work. Or the other thousands of people contributed even more by getting their programs to work. You might even see some contributions of mine there while you're at it.
Open Source saves me a shitload of time and money and it is going to continue to do so. If you want to save a shitload of time and money, you can join in. Alternatively you can go to hell as you so eloquently put it.
Yep, they still do that.
I don't think the stores care that much - pirates will get their illegal software through bittorrent just as easily as via an apple store. The stores are there to help the customers, not the pirates.
Well, why don't you find out and post back to the compatibility database?
Prostate cancer has a much higher tendency to affect older people than brest cancer. When you're old, people expect you to get sick... People don't like the idea of previously healthy 40 year olds suddenly getting mortally ill and prostate is less of a problem in this age bracket than brest cancer.
And mine was over 400... My theory is it depends how wide an area you covered, with highly original research in a single field being shorter. Mine spanned three fields, so I had three complete literature reviews. Actually, one of my literature reviews was as long as your entire thesis. Maybe your field just didn't have enough other people :)
In a half-page comment you gave me a far better understanding of whether I want one now or later than page after page of review.
Only in America. Other countries base the legal system around common-sense so stupid people just get what they deserve.
You're obviously not using lisp for interoperabilit with others, so why not learn a language that's fixed the most glaring faults in lisp while staying very true to its principles? Besides, bad programmers can still write lisp macros: Put a backtick at the start, and a comma before every argument. Not that hard really.
:)
Now, if you want a challenge, learn a pure functional language instead of one that only goes half way...
I ran into this too on a number of occasions but eventually found how to avoid it. The solution is simple: Do NOT run emerge sync. If you restrict yourself to syncing once a MONTH at most, then you will get a) a largely up-to-date distribution and b) a stable system that isn't changing every day.
Just because gentoo gives you the ability to update daily does not mean you should. In Debian daily updates won't cause many problems since the packages are quite carefully tested but gentoo is another matter.
How many people are employed worldwide producing commodity software? 0.01% That means this 'donut' model is an ideal fit for roughly 99.99% of the world's population. I guess that's tough luck to the unlucky few.
Based on two comments, I rounded both c and pi incorrectly (truncating instead of rounding.)
Embarassing as that is, I think it proves my point. I haven't used c in over ten years, and pi in some months. Despite coming from a background of scientific reasoning I am already losing these basic constants! In a few decades, what's the odds that I'll still remember 100 212? 0.8? At 80% would still give millions of people who won't remember. And what about those who were goofing off in science class instead of spending their weekends writing basic programs?
No. Everyone in the US knew that at some point in the (distant) past. If they kept up their brain at all since then they probably do still know it. I would be shocked to find more than a tiny fraction of a percent on /. didn't have a good feel for 100 degrees celcius, but in the general population.... it would be like knowing 9.8 m/s/s or 2.997E8 m/s, or 3.1415926 or 2.71828 or ... if they aren't used then they are forgotten. I wouldn't like to guess what proportion have forgotten, but it would be a significant.
My experience of VB.net is just an hour long - after I'd finished a training course on C# the instructor decided to teach us all VB.net so we could learn the similarity. Before then the last time I had touched VB was VB6. Surprisingly good training course incidentially, I learned how a fair chunk of .net, the syntax of C#, how to create C# websites and how to use the MS IDE, oh, and that VB.net doesn't fix all my criticisms of VB.
.net is with IronPython and since I quite like .net, I see IronPython as a good thing.
Going from C# to VB.net I was reminded repeatedly about all the stupid design decisions built into basic that encourage bad programming. Sure, a good number of them had been forced out by the requirement to be CLI compliant, and I got the feeling that a decent programmer could make a not bad VB.net program if they wanted whereas when I was writing VB in VB6 I nearly tore my hair out trying to write decent code. However, a whole heap of the BASIC cruft remained in VB.net and I'm sure a poor programmer would naturally take advantage of that cruft just like they used to do in VB for the same reason that they traditionally find more restrictive languages such as Java hard.
As for hacking up garbage in Python. Well, you can hack up garbage in any language, the question is how easy it is. Python, like C#, Java and others tries to make good software engineering easier and ugly garbage harder. It doesn't do that as well as some languages (I mean, what's with "if __name__ == '__main__':"?) But it does much better than BASIC (incl. VB.net). Constructs such as reusable strings are pretty easy and natural in Python, so putting magic values in your code is very easy to avoid (the python IDE we use highlights all magic values in red by default - something that would get annoying if they weren't so easily avoided.)
Hmm, what else... It is all fairly anecdotal I guess. I like Python, it is elegant and simple. I quite like C#, it combines some good points of C with good OO and an excellent class library. I don't like Java much, it is verbose without benefit too often. I like C, it lets me visualise the assembly being generated without the time required to write the assembly myself. I hate basic, it requires many lines of code where one would do without giving you the control of C. Realistically though, my current job is all python (+ R,SQL) based so the only time I get to use
Maybe not.
I know we run a fairly relaxed workplace here and yet, while using other languages is tolerated, using anything except python is quite strongly discouraged. Sadly I guess that 'x is our language of choice' is enforced elsewhere. (I spent a couple hours yesterday porting a perl program I wrote to python to conform to the language requirement here. Or rather, "so that other people will be able to read the code after you've left.")
I can't stand TK. Python and Qt and I'll agree with you. Deal? :)
As a .net CLR language, it can integrate with any other .net language including VB.net very easily. This integration is tight enough that you can write each function in your program in a different language, or write the GUI in VB.net and the support code in IronPython.net
No, it is not as easy for non-programmers.
Can it be used to create guis...? Yes it can. At some point it could be made as easy as it is in VB.net; if I were on the development team then that would not be high on my priority list. Leave the toy languages for interactive GUI prototyping, and leave IronPython for code-driven development. However, that's just me and other people have different itches they want scratched.
I see IronPython as a very valuable development and it will make interacting with standard Microsoft-only developers on windows much easier since I will now be able to use a language I like while maintaining 100% compatability and interoperability.
VB is a language that poor programmers find very easy to hack up (unmaintainable) solutions in.
I imagine that the same programmers will find Python (and therefore IronPython) considerably harder to hack up solutions in.
Because it is CLR, it is easy for you to integrate python code with the ugly solutions poor programmers have written in VB.net. So next time some non-programmer shows you their awful business-critical program and asks you to add a feature, you will be able to do it in (Iron)Python. I see that as a good thing.
I don't see IronPython being adopted by the non-programmers though.
So, how long until you show her how much better her movies will look at HDTV resolution on a 24" screen?
Methinks you'll be posting at 1680 x 1050 before long...
*giggle*
Did you read what the latest leaflets said? "Any veichle seen moving will be destroyed." Or do you think it is coincidental that so many people over this massacre have been killed on the roads? On TV here we routinely see convoys being shelled by Israelis as refugees try to flee. Lets make something clear: the Israelis are targetting anything they can to maximise Lebanese suffering while trying to avoid too much political fallout in the west. On the other side, Hezbollah would not consider any tactic `below the belt', and I'm sure that includes sending suicide bombers in, though that is more a Hamas tactic.
Personally I think if one side in any conflict is routinely raping the other with punitive political, economic and military action then it is entirely morally acceptable for the underdog to do ANYTHING in retaliation.