Of course we arent supposed to see it. Microsoft places protecting thier "mark" above just about everything else.
So normally this would be santaized(sp) and disenfectied through 50 managers and graphic artists and some guy in the closet before it reaches the public. This page is sure to come down once the net admins in Redmond see/. traffic flodding to some small webserver in a basments somewhere.
The poor researchers will be shakeled and beatan with copies of the GPL while the EULA is jammed down thier throats.
This of course will come under the billing code "continuing education"
I would be inclined to agree and I will be honest that thier agreement could use some refinement. Now before I am flamed I will tell you I belive it helps to achieve the prespective of both sides of the argument rather than rant on yours. Besides playing devils advocate can be more entertaining that everyone preaching to the quire(sp).
In order to maintain CDDB it requires dedicated servers (even if the software is free the hardware is not). A highspeed connection ($$$) and people to maintain and run the systems, considering the amount of users this system must also have 24/7/365 availbility once again more ($$$).
This money must come from somewhere so it comes from licisencing. Now perhaps Gracenote should be a not for profit company but they are not.
But you have to look at this from the POV of the owners of Gracenote: You spend years building a system and garnering user support working in your free time to make it work. Now after almsot 5 years you have built something that companys and people want to use and some will even pay for (Im sure they make loads of money of of AOL for Winamp). Now if you spent the last 5 years busting your tail on something and can finally get paid would you not try.
Being a big bad corp may not be the way to go but what my purpose here is to establish an understanding of both sides so that this is not a one sided argument.
As a profit company Gracenote and CDDB have corprate trademarks and Logos they must protect. So (IANAL) but I imagine some of the licesne agreement is designed to protect thier mark. Using 2 services may confuse a user and complain to CDDB about lacking in other services thier application might use (Belive there are people that would). These type of things are precived as devaluing thier brand.
Im not saying Gracenote should not change thier agreement I see quite a few places where it could be a more of a win win agreement (if you wish to discuss these just reply). But in order to evalute these changes and argue them with gracenote or anyone you have to have a base understanding on where it comes from.
Thats all I can think of right now. No Flames be intelligent.
I'd like to make a few points here. According to the CDDB lic Grip should have free access to the DB with out cost to anyone.
This is the Non-Commercial License and Database Access Agreement. Please read this Agreement carefully. It permits non-commercial use of the Gracenote CDDB® SDK with certain types of computer software applications listed on Schedule B, referred to as a Licensed Application.
Now if you are a commerical user CDDB will charge you if you make money off your app basiclly CDDB wants a cut. Honestly I cant blame them I run some servers myself and I imagine keeping a large datbase running with all those users AIN'T cheap.
Now about CDDB2. The orignal database was the one that the users created. CDDB2 being the new version is supposed to have added support for not just song names and artists but lyrics and a bunch of extras that are explained here.
As for whats happening to GRIP its a bum deal. Being an open source project the creator is obvisouly making no money off his project. Which in reality may mean that CDDB broke thier contract and that they may be open to a court case (IANAL).
From the looks of it Grip was probaly removed becasue of the type of software it is however last time I checked it is still not wrong to rip a CD and make MP3s but who knows what tommorw will bring.
For a detialed version of the FREE agreement click here.
There already is a place like that and its quite a successful chain with locations in Ft Lauderdale, DC, Chicago and others. Its called Dave and Busters. In my opnion however we could use a whole hella lot more of em.
Despite how much we all hate M$ It has a lot of money to survive and has a diversivied buisness plan. It managed to fight through lawsuits, larger compeitore (back in the day). And outright profit loss and yet it keep kicking.
microsoft is not going anywhere for a long time. It mayt change shape, its business model may change but I doubt it will die.
The only problem I see may arise from such a war room effort is that of personality conflicts between the memebers of the teams.
Would being in an enviormnet like this increase such conflicts and cause the general demise of the project.
Conversely it may push those with conflicts to come to swifter resloutions realizing that they must work in such a close enviorment for an extended period of time.
The main thing I found interesting about this article was the mention at the end on how this may help developers create better team software so that we can share this kind of enviormnet without being in the same physical space.
Tools like AIM and MSN Messanger as well as wEBX, XDrive, NetMetting and others are a great start but we definatly need more.
Maybe VR ala Snow Crash would be the anwser. Who knows. This is the type of research that needs to be done to find out though.
Did any one watch the video with the analyst report?
there was a mention of a modular PC that would go from about the size of a palm all the way onto desktop...
Anyone know whos making this technology and what is involved. Supposed even the unit the size of the Palm will have full PC power. My guess is using things like IBM microdrives and smaller Intel or IBM chips to achieve this.
The DOD picked up the tab on the system for quite a few reasons. the most public being:
A U.S. interagency group led by the Justice Department feared that this ``might create widespread anxiety and lead to a public outcry for ill-considered government action,'' the Pentagon paper said.
But also as the aritcle has said the DOD (collectivly) uses about 3000 of these phones. The deal they struck fall to the tune of 3-million-a month for unlimited airtime for 20000+ users.
To me this seems to be a good deal as they plan to use it so supplment thier current communications infrastructure:
Iridium ``will provide a commercial alternative to our purely military systems,'' said Dave Oliver, principal deputy under secretary of defense for acquisitions, technology and logistics. The Navy, for example, needed more than twice as much such point-to-point secure communications capability as was available, the Pentagon said.
Now 3 mil a month as we all know is MUCH cheaper than say putting more sattlites into space to meet the holes that the DOD has in thier system. This seems to be a cost effective solution that will not only save money but not lay waste to the first world wide communications sattlite system.
Besides I would miss those schweet flares!
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Job site wareables are all that is usefull at the moment. As an exemployee of enron who made use of the xybergnaught systems I found them cumbersome and the wires a bit annoying.
The advantage is though that these babies can (through wireless netowrking) hold entire libaries of schematics, specs and job processes. this is quite invalaubule becasue in certain situations (like when you are stuck in the exhaust manifold of a GE frame 7 turbine replacing thermal sensors) and you realize you need a different schematic out of a different 300 page book written in Mandrin.
As for personal use I dont think I would ever want one my Palm V is enough. But who knows what the future may hold,
2. Intel supplys ibm with processors for thier desktops. IBM wouldn't want to make them mad now, would they?
Actually IBM helps intel, IBM was first to have a working 1gh processor (in the lab). IBM is not into chips (except in some dedicated products) Thier bread and butter is computer sales (servers, cash registers, network software and SERVICES).
Manitcor
You say that as if the internet is the only vechial in which this type of content is carried. Do you realize that there are more TVs in the us than there are telephones.
Children and adults alike are bombarded by this corprate "buy buy buy" culture. TV, Raido, Billboards, stores, friends, even the schools promote this when a big sponsor makes a donation. I remember my high school passing out Nike flyers all the time because they made a contrubiution.
The only realy way to keep children from being totally controlled by such things if by active supervision. You cannot rely on V-Chips and Proxies to raise them for you. If you are not willing to raise them with values and to make them understand what all the stuff thrown at them really is then you may not be taking your full responbility as a parent.
The only real, contol, proxy, or vchip is your own mind and spirt.
There are further implications in this. In as much that basically many users who may not know programming can still make basic scripts through excel and MSWord.
Are they responsible if it messes up someone elses system or someone uses it in an illegal manner (who knows could happen however doubtfull).
And what about viruses are they going to start procesuting those who get a new virus and unknowingly spread it around the company or internet. (Actully in some companies it is common pratice to term the first person to get a new virus into the network even if it was previously unknown).
Also last time I checked I thought program code fell under the same copyright laws as books and published materials. Thus protected by free speech rights. I may be wrong here however it would make sence one can buy a book on bomb making but is the author responible if some one follows the book and then destroys a building with the knowledge.
Knowledge and information are free and come without responbility. It is what you do with that information that is important.
Please excuse spelling and grammer its MONDAY AHHHHHHHH!!!!
Under Current law it could be argued that I as a cable subscriber, because the message was initially transmitted over my cable network that if it is tapped anywhere (even beyond that network) that it is inadmissible.
Furthermore an email intercepted outside the cable network (transmitted by an in network subscriber). It could be argued that it is possible that the contents of the email are altered (email is not secure through all nodes) and therefore inadmissible.
Well at the consumer and small business level there is not only fear of being left out of file formats but also being left out in the cold support wise.
Many OEM vendors ship thier comps of course with some flavor of Windows (very few offer linux as an option, or even no op sys at all).
If the user decides to upgrade or even switch operating systems then when they have a hardware issue they may find that thier OEM vendor now will not support them because it is no longer an out of the box or MS OS.
This generally is not a problem for larger corps with internal IT departments (who if staffed well are Root lovers and play with saudering irons on pcb boards for fun). In the case of mom and pop flower store with 2 compters to handle thier invoicing and inventory they dont have the technical expertise or resourses to handle things when they go wrong and thus rely on OEM vendor support. In which case these mom and pops are forced to follow whatever crazy thing Microsoft has them OEM put on thier system and don't you dare ever change it.
True the anti trust case is supposed to address such issues. But what do you do with a call center full of 500 techs that only know MS apps. The vendors will still only support what they are given and the users are afriad to change what they are given becasue they need the support.
Nice little cycle hmm.
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Of course we arent supposed to see it. Microsoft places protecting thier "mark" above just about everything else.
/. traffic flodding to some small webserver in a basments somewhere.
So normally this would be santaized(sp) and disenfectied through 50 managers and graphic artists and some guy in the closet before it reaches the public. This page is sure to come down once the net admins in Redmond see
The poor researchers will be shakeled and beatan with copies of the GPL while the EULA is jammed down thier throats.
This of course will come under the billing code "continuing education"
I would be inclined to agree and I will be honest that thier agreement could use some refinement. Now before I am flamed I will tell you I belive it helps to achieve the prespective of both sides of the argument rather than rant on yours. Besides playing devils advocate can be more entertaining that everyone preaching to the quire(sp).
In order to maintain CDDB it requires dedicated servers (even if the software is free the hardware is not). A highspeed connection ($$$) and people to maintain and run the systems, considering the amount of users this system must also have 24/7/365 availbility once again more ($$$).
This money must come from somewhere so it comes from licisencing. Now perhaps Gracenote should be a not for profit company but they are not.
But you have to look at this from the POV of the owners of Gracenote: You spend years building a system and garnering user support working in your free time to make it work. Now after almsot 5 years you have built something that companys and people want to use and some will even pay for (Im sure they make loads of money of of AOL for Winamp). Now if you spent the last 5 years busting your tail on something and can finally get paid would you not try.
Being a big bad corp may not be the way to go but what my purpose here is to establish an understanding of both sides so that this is not a one sided argument.
As a profit company Gracenote and CDDB have corprate trademarks and Logos they must protect. So (IANAL) but I imagine some of the licesne agreement is designed to protect thier mark. Using 2 services may confuse a user and complain to CDDB about lacking in other services thier application might use (Belive there are people that would). These type of things are precived as devaluing thier brand.
Im not saying Gracenote should not change thier agreement I see quite a few places where it could be a more of a win win agreement (if you wish to discuss these just reply). But in order to evalute these changes and argue them with gracenote or anyone you have to have a base understanding on where it comes from.
Thats all I can think of right now. No Flames be intelligent.
Check again here is the link the the Grip website. From what I can see there is no banner ad.
I'd like to make a few points here. According to the CDDB lic Grip should have free access to the DB with out cost to anyone.
This is the Non-Commercial License and Database Access Agreement. Please read this Agreement carefully. It permits non-commercial use of the Gracenote CDDB® SDK with certain types of computer software applications listed on Schedule B, referred to as a Licensed Application.
Now if you are a commerical user CDDB will charge you if you make money off your app basiclly CDDB wants a cut. Honestly I cant blame them I run some servers myself and I imagine keeping a large datbase running with all those users AIN'T cheap.
Now about CDDB2. The orignal database was the one that the users created. CDDB2 being the new version is supposed to have added support for not just song names and artists but lyrics and a bunch of extras that are explained here.
As for whats happening to GRIP its a bum deal. Being an open source project the creator is obvisouly making no money off his project. Which in reality may mean that CDDB broke thier contract and that they may be open to a court case (IANAL).
From the looks of it Grip was probaly removed becasue of the type of software it is however last time I checked it is still not wrong to rip a CD and make MP3s but who knows what tommorw will bring.
For a detialed version of the FREE agreement click here.
Don't kill me for spelling im lazy!
There already is a place like that and its quite a successful chain with locations in Ft Lauderdale, DC, Chicago and others. Its called Dave and Busters. In my opnion however we could use a whole hella lot more of em.
Despite how much we all hate M$ It has a lot of money to survive and has a diversivied buisness plan. It managed to fight through lawsuits, larger compeitore (back in the day). And outright profit loss and yet it keep kicking.
microsoft is not going anywhere for a long time. It mayt change shape, its business model may change but I doubt it will die.
The only problem I see may arise from such a war room effort is that of personality conflicts between the memebers of the teams.
Would being in an enviormnet like this increase such conflicts and cause the general demise of the project.
Conversely it may push those with conflicts to come to swifter resloutions realizing that they must work in such a close enviorment for an extended period of time.
The main thing I found interesting about this article was the mention at the end on how this may help developers create better team software so that we can share this kind of enviormnet without being in the same physical space.
Tools like AIM and MSN Messanger as well as wEBX, XDrive, NetMetting and others are a great start but we definatly need more.
Maybe VR ala Snow Crash would be the anwser. Who knows. This is the type of research that needs to be done to find out though.
Did any one watch the video with the analyst report?
there was a mention of a modular PC that would go from about the size of a palm all the way onto desktop...
Anyone know whos making this technology and what is involved. Supposed even the unit the size of the Palm will have full PC power. My guess is using things like IBM microdrives and smaller Intel or IBM chips to achieve this.
The DOD picked up the tab on the system for quite a few reasons. the most public being:
A U.S. interagency group led by the Justice Department feared that this ``might create widespread anxiety and lead to a public outcry for ill-considered government action,'' the Pentagon paper said.
But also as the aritcle has said the DOD (collectivly) uses about 3000 of these phones. The deal they struck fall to the tune of 3-million-a month for unlimited airtime for 20000+ users.
To me this seems to be a good deal as they plan to use it so supplment thier current communications infrastructure:
Iridium ``will provide a commercial alternative to our purely military systems,'' said Dave Oliver, principal deputy under secretary of defense for acquisitions, technology and logistics. The Navy, for example, needed more than twice as much such point-to-point secure communications capability as was available, the Pentagon said.
Now 3 mil a month as we all know is MUCH cheaper than say putting more sattlites into space to meet the holes that the DOD has in thier system. This seems to be a cost effective solution that will not only save money but not lay waste to the first world wide communications sattlite system.
Besides I would miss those schweet flares! Ignore the sig
Job site wareables are all that is usefull at the moment. As an exemployee of enron who made use of the xybergnaught systems I found them cumbersome and the wires a bit annoying. The advantage is though that these babies can (through wireless netowrking) hold entire libaries of schematics, specs and job processes. this is quite invalaubule becasue in certain situations (like when you are stuck in the exhaust manifold of a GE frame 7 turbine replacing thermal sensors) and you realize you need a different schematic out of a different 300 page book written in Mandrin. As for personal use I dont think I would ever want one my Palm V is enough. But who knows what the future may hold,
2. Intel supplys ibm with processors for thier desktops. IBM wouldn't want to make them mad now, would they? Actually IBM helps intel, IBM was first to have a working 1gh processor (in the lab). IBM is not into chips (except in some dedicated products) Thier bread and butter is computer sales (servers, cash registers, network software and SERVICES). Manitcor
You say that as if the internet is the only vechial in which this type of content is carried. Do you realize that there are more TVs in the us than there are telephones.
Children and adults alike are bombarded by this corprate "buy buy buy" culture. TV, Raido, Billboards, stores, friends, even the schools promote this when a big sponsor makes a donation. I remember my high school passing out Nike flyers all the time because they made a contrubiution.
The only realy way to keep children from being totally controlled by such things if by active supervision. You cannot rely on V-Chips and Proxies to raise them for you. If you are not willing to raise them with values and to make them understand what all the stuff thrown at them really is then you may not be taking your full responbility as a parent.
The only real, contol, proxy, or vchip is your own mind and spirt.
Manitcor
There are further implications in this. In as much that basically many users who may not know programming can still make basic scripts through excel and MSWord.
Are they responsible if it messes up someone elses system or someone uses it in an illegal manner (who knows could happen however doubtfull).
And what about viruses are they going to start procesuting those who get a new virus and unknowingly spread it around the company or internet. (Actully in some companies it is common pratice to term the first person to get a new virus into the network even if it was previously unknown).
Also last time I checked I thought program code fell under the same copyright laws as books and published materials. Thus protected by free speech rights. I may be wrong here however it would make sence one can buy a book on bomb making but is the author responible if some one follows the book and then destroys a building with the knowledge.
Knowledge and information are free and come without responbility. It is what you do with that information that is important.
Please excuse spelling and grammer its MONDAY AHHHHHHHH!!!!
Under Current law it could be argued that I as a cable subscriber, because the message was initially transmitted over my cable network that if it is tapped anywhere (even beyond that network) that it is inadmissible.
Furthermore an email intercepted outside the cable network (transmitted by an in network subscriber). It could be argued that it is possible that the contents of the email are altered (email is not secure through all nodes) and therefore inadmissible.
-Not an insult simply devils advocate
Well at the consumer and small business level there is not only fear of being left out of file formats but also being left out in the cold support wise. Many OEM vendors ship thier comps of course with some flavor of Windows (very few offer linux as an option, or even no op sys at all). If the user decides to upgrade or even switch operating systems then when they have a hardware issue they may find that thier OEM vendor now will not support them because it is no longer an out of the box or MS OS. This generally is not a problem for larger corps with internal IT departments (who if staffed well are Root lovers and play with saudering irons on pcb boards for fun). In the case of mom and pop flower store with 2 compters to handle thier invoicing and inventory they dont have the technical expertise or resourses to handle things when they go wrong and thus rely on OEM vendor support. In which case these mom and pops are forced to follow whatever crazy thing Microsoft has them OEM put on thier system and don't you dare ever change it. True the anti trust case is supposed to address such issues. But what do you do with a call center full of 500 techs that only know MS apps. The vendors will still only support what they are given and the users are afriad to change what they are given becasue they need the support. Nice little cycle hmm. Jim His brain is gone