What's not fine is phoning their employer and asking for them to get the sack because of the code they were knocking together at home.
If which was the case Tridge would have contacted his lawyer even though he did clearly did nothing illegal w.r.t. bitkeeper, but if Linus has influence with OSDL then he would have needed advice regarding suing for unfair dismissal.
Jerry-rigged is later addition from people who didn't know that everyone else was saying jury-rigged, and thought that it must have something to do with jerry-build; which is not a nautical term.
Apart from that good post! (Except for the troll at the end)
Perhaps you were thinking of jackass rig, which is a nautical term?
The whole thing was clearly faked for the publicity and for NASA to con a few extra bazillion dallars out of the Federal Government, by hiring script writers, faking some photographs, making some beeping noises and some flashing led effects, then whipping off to the pub with the difference.
Honouring these con men at this time, when China is planning the world's first manned mission to the moon is pure sour grapes. GlobalSpec: you should be ashamed of yourselves!
"Microsoft Canada went to work creating CETS by applying some of its best software engineers to the task of combining XML-based Web services with Microsoft Visual Studio.NET, Windows SharePoint Services and SQL Server."
Once more, that's:
1) Microsoft's XML
2) Visual Studio.NET
3) Windows SharePoint Services
4) SQL Server
I was assuming that you'd read the article and woundering about the lack of community involvement. I wasn't trying to suggest the OOo was built by four people. Of course Sun has Sun people working on it. That's not really community involvement though is it?
Good to see Novell there, and I'm sure that they foresee value in the project by making Suse more marketable on the desktop. It wouldn't hurt them if more offices ran solely on linux
I notice that LoveMe2Times's post posits some from-the-trenches opinions as to why there may be a lack of community support. (vis. it's hard and sun don't involve the community in deciding the direction of the project).
It is probably partly this reluctance to yield control that has been bad for Sun's image in the OS community.
I wonder if the problem is partly Sun's PR issues with the OS community.
They certainly have a worse public image than IBM, and I wonder if people use OO because its free, but don't really feel part of the project because the SUN associtaions.
Phipps said Sun welcomes contributions from both individuals and organizations that use the productivity suite, including big names Like IBM.
"Ask IBM why it uses OpenOffice but doesn't contribute to it," he said.
It seems to me that IBM and others (like Oracle), aren't playing nicely with SUN so much.
Which is all a bit of a pity, because OpenOffice is the single main application that advances Linux as a useful OS on the desktop.
I was really after the SI units for "attractiveness of innovation" and "lead-user-ness".
The data was collected by a reference paper, but I do wonder what the international standard of lead-user-ness is. For the projects in the study lead-user-ness ranges from 5 to 14 on a continuous scale.
I have felt for some time that "attractiveness" should be measured in Helen-of-Troys out of a possible maximum of 1000 ships - perhaps a supset of this scale could be used for "attractiveness of innovation". Maybe out of 1000 of those little wind-generators on the mast.
The issus with this is the standardization of those little generators. If you use a modern, smaller one, you only get y = 1.32 +.23x - with smaller coefficients if you have a generator with solar capability.
Estimated OLS function: Y = 2.06 + 0.57x,
where Y represents attractiveness of innovation and x represents lead-user-ness of
respondent. Adjusted R2 = 0.281; p = 0.002; n = 30.
And never will. Imagine the liability if they accepted responsibility for the work lost to a crash, or time spent finding a work-around for their bugs?
It's make 5 million euros a day look postively mild!
Here
Steven Van Langendonck ponts out: (and I quote in case you don't want to follow the link:)
BK is distributed. And Tridge's tool is 'accessing the server'.
Wait a moment. Which server??? Distributed means no central server...
Does the distributed nature of BK not imply that every environment is at the same time server and client?
This would mean that to work with the tool you need to connect it the installation of those developers that you which to cooperate with?! An this would drag them automatically into the conflict between BM and Tridge.
To which Linus replies: (AIQICYDWTFTL)
This would mean that to work with the tool you need to connect it the installation of those developers that you which to cooperate with?!
Yes. Well. Only one of them.
But yes, it does mean that for at least that one
developer, your point of:
And this would drag them automatically into the conflict between BM and Tridge.
Exactly.
So Tridge is entirely correct in saying that he
didn't violate any licenses, since he never agreed to a
BK license in the first place. But for the tool to be
useful, somebody ends up having to be the fall
guy.
I use the windows box for what it's good for: playing games and web browsing(with firefox)
You'd be safer still using the Gentoo box for web browsing (with firefox)
Why on earth do you consider the Windows box good for that?
The main reason I've have a gentoo partition is for secure web browsing and internet banking.
I have the windows for games.
I don't do any server and hosting at home.
What kind of "please keystroke log my internet banking password" eegit has a gentoo box, but uses windows for web browsing? You want to give away all your money?
I'm all for open source as I like getting a paycheck but some of these "program" and "panels" and committees strike me as another sign of government waste.
I think that you've missed an important point about free (as in speech) software, in that it is owned and developed by and for the community. The government is the body that should be organising the selection and development of NSW-specific open source software. It's like roads and sewage systems... everyone benefits.
A whole of government approach is the way to go, because it facilitates information sharing between govenrment bodies, and eventually forms a defacto standard for businesses the consult with or contract to the government.
This is great news, and every Australian state should be doing it.
In a modern car, it is the tyre noise and not the engine noise that produces the greater part of the sound-pressure level.
Pedestrians can still hear them.
No engine noise is a bit freaky for the driver though. (There's a Prius in the fleet at work, and until the engine kicks in, driving it is very disorienting)
Seriously, aren't these environmental issues takes much too seriously.
No, quite the opposite. Even if you want to merely do a cost/benefit analysis of knocking out a species the costs get very high very quickly.
Take the Dodo. Cute huge pigeon that if you stood on the beach of Mauritius they would waddle up to have a look at what you were. I'd cheerfully give $1000 to have a pet one for a year. And I think you'd have no trouble finding half a million other people on the planet who miss it about the same. You'd find a few who would pay a lot more. Point me to a bridge that is worth five hundred billion per year.
But this sort of analysis grossly understates the value of biodiversity, because the scope of biodiversity is many times larger than money. The land on which you are building that bridge was (in many cases) there hundreds of millions of years before the engineer and his cost benefit analysis. It will be there hundreds of millions of years after the engineer's descendents are extinct. In this time of the second fastest rate of extinction that the planet has ever seen, the engineer should be very wary of irreversible effects of their work.
The consequences are huge and forever.
The engineer is not.
In particular, species die out and come into existance every day anyway.
Only half right. Yes they do die out every day at the moment. About 150 a day. But they don't come into existence every day. For a spot sample, our own species successfully (meaning still living) speciated (meaning gave rise to different species) about 5 million years ago.
That's about 2000 times further ago than the oldest bridge still in use.
So we'll need to increase the design life of these structures a bit to break even...
Google are going head to head with the evil convicted monopolist. They will not be capable of the same level of evil until they have the monopoly. Which in all fields bar search engine alone is "not for the forseeable future".
People have begun sledging them in the search arena already.
Saddam gassed CIVILIANS, that's terrorism PERIOD END OF STORY.
I think that "Terrorism" is better defined as the under-resourced side of an asymmetrical war.
How many MILLIONS of children were starved by Saddam while he piled up his fortune by cheating the oil-for-food program??
Saddam's financial position was assured when he took over the country in 1979. (While we spread the blame for this, do recall that the USA supported and funded the Ba'ath party and it's coup of 1963 because the government was pro-soviet). But he did not starve millions of children by cheating the oil for food program. The oil for food program was of itself insufficient, and did not allow the importing of pharmaceuticals that would stop infant mortality due to disease. This is why Bin Laden was anti both America and Hussein. He resented Hussein as an irreligious hedonist, but he resented America for the death and starvation of millions of innocent (Muslim) children, by mechanism of sanctions.
Talking to one of my colleagues who worked for Saddam, I gather that he spent money well and freely in trying to get food and education to the people, but development was difficult under sanctions - nonetheless very substantial irrigation projects were accomplished under Saddam Hussein, with a veiw to providing more food to the people. It was one of the things he is not hated for. There were things that he was hated for, by Bin Laden, and by others.
that this should create larger price gap between entry-level Linux on the desktop and entry-level windows on the desktop, which, in many home and not-too-processor-heavy office situations, will strengthen the case for upgrading to free software.
But the best thing that could happen is if Longhorn can't run efficiently without a mid-range graphics card, this could create a market for low to mid budget hardware that requires a non-windows OS to perform.
Is a fine thing(tm).
The one thing I miss going to FF. Opera, nice-as-pie, continues a download when you next get around to dialing up again.
FF just goes, if you close me now, I'm going to cancel these downloads.
And let he who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast... and no man might buy or sell [music and other IP] except he that has the mark of the beast or the number of his name.
St John is clearly discussing DRM in the above passage of revelations. The consequence is clear. All those who us longhorn will be dooming their souls to an eternity of torment!
Take heed! Only through the words of the great prophet Torvalds can salvation come! Suffer thee not the DMCA, for that path leads to damnation!
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If which was the case Tridge would have contacted his lawyer even though he did clearly did nothing illegal w.r.t. bitkeeper, but if Linus has influence with OSDL then he would have needed advice regarding suing for unfair dismissal.
Jerry-rigged is later addition from people who didn't know that everyone else was saying jury-rigged, and thought that it must have something to do with jerry-build; which is not a nautical term.
Apart from that good post! (Except for the troll at the end)
Perhaps you were thinking of jackass rig, which is a nautical term?
The whole thing was clearly faked for the publicity and for NASA to con a few extra bazillion dallars out of the Federal Government, by hiring script writers, faking some photographs, making some beeping noises and some flashing led effects, then whipping off to the pub with the difference.
See this link and scroll down to the Apollo 13 section http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
Honouring these con men at this time, when China is planning the world's first manned mission to the moon is pure sour grapes.
GlobalSpec: you should be ashamed of yourselves!
1) Microsoft's XML
2) Visual Studio
3) Windows SharePoint Services
4) SQL Server
Therefore it isn't free at all, because you have to cough up for Windows.
Just like that free lunch ... plus a $300 eating fee.
Good to see Novell there, and I'm sure that they foresee value in the project by making Suse more marketable on the desktop. It wouldn't hurt them if more offices ran solely on linux
I notice that LoveMe2Times's post posits some from-the-trenches opinions as to why there may be a lack of community support. (vis. it's hard and sun don't involve the community in deciding the direction of the project).
It is probably partly this reluctance to yield control that has been bad for Sun's image in the OS community.
Apache 2 in particular was a huge leap in terms of security and it's all very well engineered, as we've come to expect from open source projects.
Also very useful counterexample when Microsoft fudrakers go on about security through obscury.
They certainly have a worse public image than IBM, and I wonder if people use OO because its free, but don't really feel part of the project because the SUN associtaions.
It seems to me that IBM and others (like Oracle), aren't playing nicely with SUN so much.Which is all a bit of a pity, because OpenOffice is the single main application that advances Linux as a useful OS on the desktop.
The data was collected by a reference paper, but I do wonder what the international standard of lead-user-ness is. For the projects in the study lead-user-ness ranges from 5 to 14 on a continuous scale.
I have felt for some time that "attractiveness" should be measured in Helen-of-Troys out of a possible maximum of 1000 ships - perhaps a supset of this scale could be used for "attractiveness of innovation". Maybe out of 1000 of those little wind-generators on the mast.
The issus with this is the standardization of those little generators. If you use a modern, smaller one, you only get y = 1.32 + .23x - with smaller coefficients if you have a generator with solar capability.
And never will. Imagine the liability if they accepted responsibility for the work lost to a crash, or time spent finding a work-around for their bugs?
It's make 5 million euros a day look postively mild!
Your internal tools and documents if someone decides that these are a program are completely yours untill you sell them to another party.
BK is distributed. And Tridge's tool is 'accessing the server'.
Wait a moment. Which server??? Distributed means no central server...
Does the distributed nature of BK not imply that every environment is at the same time server and client?
This would mean that to work with the tool you need to connect it the installation of those developers that you which to cooperate with?! An this would drag them automatically into the conflict between BM and Tridge.
To which Linus replies: (AIQICYDWTFTL)
This would mean that to work with the tool you need to connect it the installation of those developers that you which to cooperate with?!
Yes. Well. Only one of them.
But yes, it does mean that for at least that one developer, your point of:
And this would drag them automatically into the conflict between BM and Tridge.
Exactly.
So Tridge is entirely correct in saying that he didn't violate any licenses, since he never agreed to a BK license in the first place. But for the tool to be useful, somebody ends up having to be the fall guy.
Why on earth do you consider the Windows box good for that?
The main reason I've have a gentoo partition is for secure web browsing and internet banking.
I have the windows for games.
I don't do any server and hosting at home.
What kind of "please keystroke log my internet banking password" eegit has a gentoo box, but uses windows for web browsing? You want to give away all your money?
A whole of government approach is the way to go, because it facilitates information sharing between govenrment bodies, and eventually forms a defacto standard for businesses the consult with or contract to the government.
This is great news, and every Australian state should be doing it.
In a modern car, it is the tyre noise and not the engine noise that produces the greater part of the sound-pressure level.
Pedestrians can still hear them.
No engine noise is a bit freaky for the driver though. (There's a Prius in the fleet at work, and until the engine kicks in, driving it is very disorienting)
Just do it. It's got to be cheaper than the fisticuffs.
Another brilliant post by Truth Quark! 60 years of conflict suddenly resolved! ...
Now, about Palestine
Economic development saves lives. Millions and millions of them.
Bill Gates' business practises have stunted development the world over. Hence: "the millions [of lives] he may have destroyed elsewhere".
Take the Dodo. Cute huge pigeon that if you stood on the beach of Mauritius they would waddle up to have a look at what you were. I'd cheerfully give $1000 to have a pet one for a year. And I think you'd have no trouble finding half a million other people on the planet who miss it about the same. You'd find a few who would pay a lot more. Point me to a bridge that is worth five hundred billion per year.
But this sort of analysis grossly understates the value of biodiversity, because the scope of biodiversity is many times larger than money. The land on which you are building that bridge was (in many cases) there hundreds of millions of years before the engineer and his cost benefit analysis. It will be there hundreds of millions of years after the engineer's descendents are extinct. In this time of the second fastest rate of extinction that the planet has ever seen, the engineer should be very wary of irreversible effects of their work.
The consequences are huge and forever.
The engineer is not.
Only half right. Yes they do die out every day at the moment. About 150 a day. But they don't come into existence every day. For a spot sample, our own species successfully (meaning still living) speciated (meaning gave rise to different species) about 5 million years ago.That's about 2000 times further ago than the oldest bridge still in use.
So we'll need to increase the design life of these structures a bit to break even ...
Google are going head to head with the evil convicted monopolist. They will not be capable of the same level of evil until they have the monopoly. Which in all fields bar search engine alone is "not for the forseeable future".
People have begun sledging them in the search arena already.
And this is different from current main-stream media how?
Saddam's financial position was assured when he took over the country in 1979. (While we spread the blame for this, do recall that the USA supported and funded the Ba'ath party and it's coup of 1963 because the government was pro-soviet).
But he did not starve millions of children by cheating the oil for food program. The oil for food program was of itself insufficient, and did not allow the importing of pharmaceuticals that would stop infant mortality due to disease. This is why Bin Laden was anti both America and Hussein. He resented Hussein as an irreligious hedonist, but he resented America for the death and starvation of millions of innocent (Muslim) children, by mechanism of sanctions.
Talking to one of my colleagues who worked for Saddam, I gather that he spent money well and freely in trying to get food and education to the people, but development was difficult under sanctions - nonetheless very substantial irrigation projects were accomplished under Saddam Hussein, with a veiw to providing more food to the people. It was one of the things he is not hated for. There were things that he was hated for, by Bin Laden, and by others.
But the best thing that could happen is if Longhorn can't run efficiently without a mid-range graphics card, this could create a market for low to mid budget hardware that requires a non-windows OS to perform.
Is a fine thing(tm).
The one thing I miss going to FF. Opera, nice-as-pie, continues a download when you next get around to dialing up again.
FF just goes, if you close me now, I'm going to cancel these downloads.
St John is clearly discussing DRM in the above passage of revelations. The consequence is clear. All those who us longhorn will be dooming their souls to an eternity of torment!
Take heed! Only through the words of the great prophet Torvalds can salvation come! Suffer thee not the DMCA, for that path leads to damnation!