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Militants Planned Attack On Indian Software Firms
Alien54 writes "Militants killed in an encounter in New Delhi on Saturday night planned to attack leading software companies in Bangalore in addition to the Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun, Delhi police said on Sunday Indian police claim the men were members of Lashkar-e-Toiba - a Wahabi militant group fighting for an independent Kashmir. Apart from maps of call centers police also recovered 100 kilos of dynamite, 10.5 kilos of RDX explosive, 450 detonators, three AK-56 rifles and a satellite phone."
"Dear GOD, where is my TECH SUPPORT?!?!! Nobody in the call center is answering!" Feel free to mod me -1 heartless bastard.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
Isn't that a little bit of an extreme reaction by the Kashmiris for losing their IT jobs?
but seriously folks, maybe this will make companies think twice about relocating overseas?
..are they sure they weren't just a group of methamphetamine addicts looking to either score a bunch of materials or they cooked up a hair-brained hostage-for-$$$ scheme?
It's hard to differentiate blind zealotry from drug-riddled score-seeking sometimes.
Can you say Identity Theft?
There are many call centre operations in India or whereever. If a few get blown up it takes only seconds to divert the call to a new building and a couple of days to say "Check the power cord and reboot".
At the end of the day, Dell (or whomever) don't really care about the quality of the tech support much (and tech support quality is pretty hard to measure). Where there's a buck to be saved, save it!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
"Abdul! I tried to call tech support for the explosives, but all I got was one of those damn foreign Americans! Bloody outsourcing!"
Oh, wait. Physically attacking a software company? Where's the fun in that?
# cat
Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
And why are software companies so important as opposed to centres of government to these terrorists?
Get a free iPod Nano 4GB!
...islamic militants are just as frustrated with tech support as the rest of us!
many a time i wanted to throttle the fool on the other end of the phone in bangalore...
> Militants? Militant whats? Militant Communists? Militant Republicans? Militant Anti-Caste activists? Militant Hindu Nationalists? Militant Islamists? Militant Christian Doomsday Fundamentalists? Militant Hello Kitty Fans?
> Just saying 'militants' is ignorant reporting.
Perhaps it's militant dislexics who missed the word 'Wahabi' in the overview.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Just do it. It's got to be cheaper than the fisticuffs.
Another brilliant post by Truth Quark! 60 years of conflict suddenly resolved! ...
Now, about Palestine
it did say Wahabi which is a fundamental and usually radical form of islam
You know, they're probably just /. readers who happened to read this story and decided they better include a phone in the attack. It's a bit deadlier that way.
Good-Tutorials
Bug 133925: Primary source code archives at Bangalore outsourcing site destroyed by Lashkar-e-Toiba militants.
Priority: Critical/Stopper
"One of these days, we'll have intelligent reporting that doesn't treat the readers like scared, reactionary six year olds."
.co.uk sites wouldnt aim for american readers as their primary target audience.
yeah, you would think that the
11 of 25 posts so far have been about Call centres and outsourcing.
I know most of it is humour (of some sort), but don't you think this is being just a bit insensitive? Mod me down if you must, but there must be a limit to self-centredness, even for Americans.
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Maybe economics are involved somehow? Is the software/IT industry very important to India?
-- BTW, I've been living in a cave for the past 10 years
-- Sigs are for losers
The point of terrorism is exactly that - terror !. Once people are afraid, they have essentially achieved their target. These people are not just "militants" - but terrorists.
Indian software industry is obsessed with Information security that it often does not expect an attack with a car bomb in the parking under ground. And Bangalore is a cosmopolitan city full of all kinds of people. You won't be watched by the entire crowd because you have a 3 inch beard.
Security is an illusion - but it is a precious illusion for those who keep it.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
(Just some bastard writing from South Africa...)
Well, would the independent Kashmir be based upon a policy of the total destruction of the nation of India, the elimination of all ethnic Indians from the peninsula and the destruction of all ancient Indian holy sites?
Now, about Palestine...
> One of these days, we'll have intelligent reporting that doesn't treat
... wow. If you don't want to be treated as reactionary, then don't react after reading just a headline.
> the readers like scared, reactionary six year olds.
Maybe one of these days we'll have readers with an attention span that lets them read past the first line in the article. You can't expect us to believe you're a big fan of critical thinking if you don't read as far as the second sentence: Indian police claim the men were members of Lashkar-e-Toiba - a Wahabi militant group fighting for an independent Kashmir.
I knew attention spans were getting short, but
Lashkar-e-Toiba is a millitant group connected with Al-Qiada and wishes to 'free' Kashmir. They are Muslim Islamists and believes that they are in jihad with almost everybody except them. Talk about ignorance!
Would you prefer that we called them disaffected individuals with poor impulse control?
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
308 Web server under fire .. ..
507 Web server burning
but at least there is one in place already
410 Gone
The "Militants" were a group called the LeT - Lashkar-e-Taiba
Here's some more background on them. Looks like they're tied into the infamous Al-Qaida too.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
The root of the problem is that you have an identity to steal.
-AC
Yep, that along with a united Ireland and peace between Palestine and Israel. For some reason, some people don't see it that clearly.
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When work is outsourced to countries that are not very stable, or have terrorism problems, or civil wars, it makes portions of that country wealthy. Those wealthy portions become a target for the local Bad People, simply because it will hurt their enemies more than bombing the poor portions.
How the fuck can you talk about "critical thinking" when you don't even read the damn article?
I second this. Kashmiris never wanted to be part of India and the intervention of the Indian army has caused atrocities there that only made their feelings worse. Let the people have their freedom and decide their own future.
You know, India has stolen a lot of US jobs. It seems that most of the call centers employ people who can't speak (or understand) English very well at all -- and yet they're perfectly willing to take a contact doing phone support for Americans! But despite that, I find I have two feelings about India:
I hope this kind of terrorism is caught each and every time, in every country.
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If you look into slight history, there were a series major bomb blasts occured in Bombay, the financial capital of india in 1993 in places like the Stock Exchange. These resulted into a lot of tension and communal riots between the people.
This one seems to be kindof similar to them, just targetting a little more high-tech organizations. These militants just cant see a country prosper and the people getting happy. If you cant do well, dont let anyone do well.
Well the current situation definitely doesn't improve Kashmirite's perception of India, feeding such thoughts. It is just possible that an India-backed independence would be the only way to ameliorate bad feelings.
Of course I understand it's never that simple, but laying all the blame on one side isn't the way to go.
It is a pity that words like "Militant" are used for these groups. We really need a word that summarises "Organised criminal gangs that want to steal entire countries". Of course {flamebait} this word would be useful because we could apply it to the Bush/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Rice/Blair/Berlusconi gang as well as the insurgents in Iraq, the part of the IRA that is opposed to the peace process, and the Taliban.{/flamebait} But words like "militant", "terrorist" and "insurgent" conceal rather than illuminate reality.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Uh, I'm guessing you have no idea about the history behind the India-Pakistan conflict over Kashmir because, if you did, you'd know it's not that simple.
When India was struggling to achieve independence, it became clear that the religious unrest would likely drive the country apart. The solution to this was partition, which divided India into two countries, India and Pakistan (literally "land of the pure"). Kashmir, which was then a kingdom, decided that it didn't like either choice, and its ruler declared Kashmiri independence for itself.
Everyone accepted Kashmir's position but shortly after independence and partition took place, Pakistan unilaterally invaded Kashmir claiming it for itself. Kashmir, with no hope of surviving by itself, and with no other help coming from elsewhere, asked India for assistance. This call for help put India in a bind, because it didn't want to provoke Pakistan unnecessarily (partition itself had been a bloody affair) and so it presented Kashmir with the only viable option: become part of the sovereign state of India.
Kashmir chose India over Pakistan, and officially became part of India. Hence, legally at least, Kashmir is Indian territory. However, Pakistan didnt (and still doesnt) accept this, and refused to withdraw its claim on the region.
Whether or not Kashmir should become independent is a very stickly question. Personally, I'd like to see it happen but, frankly, there's too much at stake - not least of all national pride - for either India or Pakistan to seriously consider it. So the status quo, with part of still Kashmir occupied by Pakistan, remains and probably will continue to do so for some considerable time. Certainly, until Pakistan readopts democracy, its unlikely to change.
By the way, while the India-Pakistan division was based on religion, it's a fact that India now has a bigger Muslim population than Pakistan. And, apart from a few religious zealots on either side, most Hindus and Muslims (and Christians, Buddhists, etc) manage to co-exist peacefully in India.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Thank you Truth Quark - since you were modded not as troll nor funny, let me add my brilliant solution.
How about merging Pakistan and Bangaladesh with India like they originally were? That would be even finer solution.
..... can you please ensure the "Insightful" on the comment avobe is amacked down please?
If this person can't be bothered to read the posting it can't surely be called "insightful"...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You represent everything that is wrong about slashdot.
"Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." --Eric Blair
for the attack
..., can I call you comrade, can't I? I mean, you show such ignorance about how open markets work that either you have been in cave for 50 years or are a Communist, comrade. Which one is it?
The Indians are not stealing your jobs. US people in particular, and Western people in general, are pricing themselves too high given the expensive lifestyles they lead.
Which expensive lifestyles? SUVs, overeating, rampant consumerism, irrational Imperial wars in the other side of the planet. All tha adds up until your economy, or parts of it, become uncompetitive.
Indians are "stealing" your jobs in the same sense that a more capable, cheaper worke in the US would be stelaing your job if he was hired to do it instead of yourslef, comrade.
As for the English capabilities of the Indians,, frankly, stop beating that horse. It has been fucking dead for ages.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Oh no!
And there go US plans to build in offshore redundancies to protect against (the suddenly highly probable) risk of planes crashing into their onshore development centres!
Regards,
Shaitan
For heaven's sake, when did Slashdot become Politically Correct (TM)?
Call them what they are, terrorists. Or if "terrorists" is not acceptable, then how about "necromancers festering on people's grief and death"? That's pretty accurate.
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i declare it a pagan and Crusader lie!!!!!!
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Most people reading this article might think that Lashkar-e-Toiba is just another one of those Islamic groups from the general area of Iraq fighting just to piss America off, but this isn't the case.
Lashkar-e-Toiba ("Army of the Pure") are one of the largest terrorist outfits operating in Jammu and Kashmir, fighting to have their states seperate from the rest of India. In a sense, they're fighting for their freedom.
Though, their professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging India's sovereignty over the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Lashkar's rhetorical agenda, as outlined in a pamphlet titled, Why are we waging jihad, includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India. This is where they get marked as terrorists.
The Indian government has held it responsible for the series of massacres on August 1-2, 2000, which spread over three districts of the State led to the killing of more than 100 persons within a gap of 24 hours, most of who were unarmed civilians. This doesn't help people to harbor sympathy for their freedom fight either.
Remember how they set IniTech on fire ? Awful, awful people.
> And, apart from a few religious zealots on either side, most Hindus and Muslims (and Christians, Buddhists, etc) manage to co-exist peacefully in India.
One of the most pathetically funny things I've ever seen was a broadcast news story from a few years back, showing two rival groups of Buddhist monks fighting in the street over control of a temple. They were serious about it too; some of them were using what looked like quarterstaffs.
I'm pretty sure it was on the Pacific Rim rather than in India, though.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Oh Crap! I can't, damn those Militants! Damn them and there clear speech! Damn them!
"I may be full of crap about this game, and I may be wrong, and that's fine." -Jack Thompson
Yes and you do know its spelt Dyslexic ;)
You have outdone just about every other Slashdot reader ever!
Most readers are content to read the blurb, skip RTFA, and go to the comments, but that wasn't good enough for you. You skipped straight to the comments after the very first sentence!
Kudos to you , sir!
The only possible improvement on your comment would be if it was the first post.
Again, congratulations!
bkd
> Yes and you do know its spelt Dyslexic
Perhaps you've stumbled across the reason I know so much about how dislexics think!
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
S$$$$ on you man. The indian goverment is trying to blame the act of every other Mr Gandhi to Pakistan. Why the hell they didnt think about so many freedom fighting armies in their own land, likes of Naga Land and others .. ????
You mean as opposed to Attacking the Indian Parliament? Someone's already done that...
AK-56 is a chinese knockoff of the soviet SKS, which is also manufactured in pakistan.
is that USofAns think "oh, outsourcing! the end of the world! lost American jobs!" and the rest of the world thinks "globalization is about if you send McD's to India, suits that you have to send some jobs too."
Only USofAns are bigots about outsourcing. Nah, not only them, but they are the worse bigots IRT outsourcing.
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
To be on topic, the LeT is mostly comprised of Pakistani extremists and is a declared terrorist outfit by the USA and one of the first Kashmiri terrorists outfits to be banned by Pakistan. To end on a positive note, read this editorial in the pakistan newspaper Dawn.
...that I had mod points today to mod down these stupid annoying Funny posts.
I guess even an American can get sick of the typical American attitude sometimes...
I don't think most Americans would notice the difference, other than hold times and chants.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Please describe how to reproduce; thanks.
Unprotected sex with a member of the opposite gender.
Isn't it annoying when people start the message in
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Which nationality are you, if you are an american, you dont fuckin talk abt Intervention.
Please be quiet and try to get along or we'll have to come back. We'll bring even more flags this time, too.
Yours,
The Commonwealth of Great Britian.
Do they have a web page where we can donate to thier cause?
StrayByte.Net
Khalistan zundabad, Indira Ghandi mordabad.
In muslim thought there are two main areas of the world, the land of unbelievers the dar-al-Harb which is a permament abode of war. Then there is the dar-al-Islam, the lands Islam conquered through war, the land of believers which are an abode of peace. Just be thankful if you live in a country that does not border a muslim state, because where muslim states border non-muslim states there is constant conflict orcheastrated by the muslim parties. In muslim thought jihad, a war to make the land of harb into the of Islam is one of the prime duties of every muslim, unlike stupid Western leftists whining about their imperialist past, most muslims are most proud of their imperial past, their times of former military prowess, which are now long gone. May the ground open up and swallow the entire muslim world, good riddance.
Yeah, but the ones who planned the terrorist attack are Islamic militants who want Kashmir to go to the Islamic Pakistan instead of being controlled by India as it is now.
My other first post is car post.
HAHAHA, how many terrorists really do have a 3inch beart? Open your view a bit and see that you wouldn't spot a terrorist if he was your neighbour
Word has it that the LeT is setting up call centers to respond to inquiries about their latest efforts.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Listed as a Type-56, that would be fine. However, AK-56 is some invented designation. AK is Avtomat Kalashnikova... Kalashnikoff's Assault Rifle, which the Type-56/SKS is clearly not.
Again, where is the primary source that the Register is receiving information from? I'm still curious.
Though it was a shocking incident and almost before a decade the world really understood terrorism .... in mumbai life continued at usual the next day
chk google for http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&cl ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial& q=mumbai+bomb+blast+1993+attendance&btnG=Search
Striving to be common...
I guess the jig is up. Back to the drawing board!
I'd mod you as -1 arrogant and assuming. How do you know he's an American? Sure you could have read his blog and inferred, but I'd bet you just couldn't resist a knee-jerk anti-American comment. Very original.
That's amazing that you didn't get modded down to -5.
;)
Last time I made an anti-American comment someone told me "You are, quite simply, not welcome here then" and I got modded Redundant. I guess most people don't see it once it goes below 0 so getting to -5 is hard.
I can tell you're not American simply because you can spell centre
Can your karma go above being Excellent?
How do you know he's an American? Sure you could have read his blog and inferred, but I'd bet you just couldn't resist a knee-jerk anti-American comment. Very original.
I had a quick look at his blog, and figured he was American, from that and the post of course. I'm not anti-American or Americans in general, I'm writing on an American website with an American designed (built in Asia) computer, it'd be a little hypocritical : )
I was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Xenophobia exists everywhere, but that doesn't make it acceptable. If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
and there would also be a group of people making fun of it.
Welcome to america. Dont like it ? Leave.
This is how the world works: They hate us, we hate them. Everything else (like who hated who for what reason first) is semantics.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." --Albert Einstein
>> xenophobia and ignorance about the world are
>> valorised at the moment in the States
> Welcome to america. Dont like it ? Leave. This is how the
> world works: They hate us, we hate them
QED
It is commendable that this was caught before damage was done.
Having said that, this should be taken as a wake-up call to companies to refrain from sending U.S. data processing facilities to third-world countries.
Has it occured to said companies that if an attack, or even a security breach, occurs that it may not be a prosecuteable offense in that particular country???
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No, this will never end. The problem is not that much simple. If Kashmir goes out, Pakistan will shift its focus to other region such as Punjab or Himachal Pradesh or Assam. ISI (Inter Service Intelligence) is more active in these states.
India as a country cannot allow this to happen.
The main goal of Pakistan is to destablise India and I really dont know what they are going to do with that.
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Yeah I am American, but the post was meant as a VERY sarcastic poke at America-centrism. So come on, lighten up.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
Mutants Planned Attack...
I am trying to get the facts for you, but any individual can have their own opinion.
Kashmir by constitution is part of India and most of the Kashmiris are muslims. But there are other religions as well. Jammu region is wholly dominated by Hindus while Ladakhs are buddhists.
They will either be eliminated or massacred if Kashmir becomes independent or joins Pakistan. Believe me that will be the case.
And nobody denied Kashmiris any freedom. They are as free as me in India.
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I've always said that Indian software is dynamite, baby!
I'm an Indian and I know how this can affect us. I travel lot and most of the railway stations are under tight watch of government and law enforcement. Most of the people in Kashmir they don't want this bull shit and neither they want to join Pakistan. Latest report from CIA claims that within 5-10 years it will be fully collapsed no democracy or whatsoever exists in pak.
The truth is US should stop helping the Pak they are helping them in military powers and other aids most of us know this. However India government also needs to become more US friendly in order cooperative with each other it is quite complex matter and only time will provide answer...
1:Find country with lax labor laws with nearby neighbors described as "militant" to target's country.
2:Remove the ability to access the data physically or remotely via destructive means. (null routing companies and countries linked to target, political manipulation, EMP, conventional explosives, N/B/C if desperate)
3:Repeat 2 periodically to insure no third party benefactors such as other countries with proper labor laws (using documented loopholes such as offshoring) are able to prop up target country.
Bug will manifest itself in countries where lax labor laws, political instability and deep pocketed groups meet.
Possible solutions:
-International pressure to encourage target country to harmonize trade laws with countries with higher labor law standards to remove bugs with Free Trade. Militants would still be present but would be in clear minority if present.
-Limited protectionism until harmonized labor law standards are guaranteed and permanent elimination of all "Ivy League"* style exclusions/barriers to higher education in third party countries such as US/UK. Usefulness would gradually increase as a wider base of the population gains higher education without (practical and theoretical) barriers to entry as documented later on.
-Countries who provide residence for third parties in the benefit of this bug would be "creatively encouraged" to disallow "representation of a person" to any organization that offshores (and all supporters of disallowed organization to prevent shifting of labor to circumvent) under laws concerning bribery.
Ivy League style exclusions, specified:
- Leaving in impractical loophole of excessive amount for admissions/tuition to maintain indirect requirement of fallback of being "well-connected" in the process of obtaining education. Eliminating this may anger the existing benefactors into using defensive measures, but it is a must.
- Admissions policies that are designed to reject the usable majority to design a deep pocketed minority that proceeds to apply similar policies to society for a nonbeneficial (see Google projects with policies that mirror some universities) and possibly destructive result (See Harvard, Yale, and the non Ivies Berkeley and Stanford).
- Hypocritical policy of wanting more students that come from backgrounds that arent targeted by them, but only allowing minority amounts of them outside of public controversy to calm public outrage.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
.. chinese made Type-56 (T-56) variant on the ak-47. its pretty popular in the sub continent and all over south and southeast asia.
learn from yesterday, plan for tomorrow, party tonight
or one out of three ain't bad
"don't you think this is being just a bit insensitive?"
A heterosexual man would never even type something like this.
You're either a girl or gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
If they had managed to pull this off they could have killed many hundreds. Not a funny situation.
i was reading through his articles yesterday after seeing the article posted on slashdot yesterday.d itorials/outsource_baghdad/index.html
and one of them was touching this subject: http://www.ranum.com/security/homeland_security/e
I initially mis-read this as "... a wannabe militant group".
Kashmir becomes independent...next day China walks in like they did with the part of kashmir pakistan had managed to capture a few decades back, uses the added military advantage to browbeat the three other nations into submission and/or nuke the hell out of them from up there, build up their military might even more and proceed to beat the tar of USA (and this is one country that can actually try it thanks to sheer nuber of cannon fodder they have got... acceptable collateral damage and all) and all other countries over the world.
Sounds unrealistic ? But China has been egging to get a go at that region for years. And you have a president who starts attempting to capture a terrorist in Afghanistan and ends up bombing some dictator in Iraq... so let us leave unrealistic out of it... So goodbye to Indo-pak conflict ...hello to World War IV!!
You are so brilliant...
Hey wait a second, those weren't terrorists--those were liberators liberating American jobs!@#
They deserve medals!
For those who aren't aware, LET is 100% Pakistan run and funded, it's effectively the terrorist wing of Pakistan's state government.
The consequences of wide spread outages in India since the US has outsourced so much would be devistating to the US. I don't doubt that large swaths of the internet would become unmanaged, banking centers would grind to a halt because of the outages and because a lot of the paperwork is done overseas now.
While we can sit around and make jokes about curry breath and bean curd farts, never forget that if the markets in the US tank, a lot of us are out of work.
identify to whom this group belongs, that you do it correctly. This group belong to a sect called the "khawarij", the same group that 'Usamah Ibnul Laden belongs to. Not the so called and wrongly named "wahabi" group also known as the "Salafee" movement. If you are still ignorant on this subject matter, then I refer you to "The Wahabi Myth" so that you can find out more.
Do it now!
The Koran does sanction jihad and does delineate the world into dar-al-Harb and the abode of Peace(dar-al-Islam), a form of permament war until all non-muslims are under the land of Islam paying the jiyza poll tax for their very right to existence under Muslim lands.
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YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;-
PICKTHAL: And when Allah promised you one of the two bands (of the enemy) that it should be yours, and ye longed that other than the armed one might be yours. And Allah willed that He should cause the Truth to triumph by His words, and cut the root of the disbelievers;
SHAKIR: And when Allah promised you one of the two parties that it shall be yours and you loved that the one not armed should he yours and Allah desired to manifest the truth of what was true by His words and to cut off the root of the unbelievers.
009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Remember Nick Berg who was decapitated, that is sanctioned in the Koran as well:
008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
My source is the following website which contains side by side three of the best English translations of the Koran.
So mr. lying muslim, I do not need to read some stupid website to tell me what the Koran thinks. I have read the Koran, not only that but there is many translations of Koran on the internet so I can easily bring up the relevant verses without need to type them myself.
And since I made an anti-Slashdot comment about Michael I'm automatically modded -1 for all new posts.
The Truth About Slashdot
I grew up in a very blue-collar family: nobody cared when Smith Corona went to Mexico, and when all of the manufacturing jobs went elsewhere. It was a great thing because those blue-collar jobs were replaced with white-collar management. I experienced my youth with parents just trying to find a job in their "field" - to little avail. Nobody spoke up for my family.
I worked very hard to get myself into school, through school, and out of it - and now, my degree is about 1/4 as valuable in a wrecked job market. People spoke, but nothing's been done.
Until you're on the top, there's never any change because there is nobody looking out for you. If there's a buck to be made, and you're not the source of it, then what good are you?
Why wouldn't the militants outsource the insurrection to those very same software companies?! Don't armed militants have to save money too?
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Surely an independent Kashmir is a damn fine solution to the bloody tug-of-war that India and Pakistan have been playing for the last 57 years.
Just do it. It's got to be cheaper than the fisticuffs.
Another brilliant post by Truth Quark! 60 years of conflict suddenly resolved! Now, about Palestine .
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That's right - turn it over to the Wahhabi death-cultists and subjugate Kashmiris of all faiths and beliefs to totalitarian religious extremists who want to take the world back to the 14th century.
Yeah, you're brillant all right.
(Note to morons reflexively slapping at the reply link: your Bush jokes are tired and lame.)
Except for this one it seems....
Hey, cheer up, Gothmolly posts at -1 by default now.
-mkb
... "Samuel Huntington observes in "The Clash of Civilizations, "Wherever one looks along the perimeter of Islam, Muslims have problems living peacefully with their neighbors... Muslims make up one-fifth of the world's population but in the 1990s they have been far more involved in intergroup violence than people of any other civilization." Hunington goes on to show that more than half of the "ethnopolitical" conflicts of the world involved Muslims and there were "three times as many intercvilizational conflicts involving Muslims as tehre were conflicts between all non-Muslim civilizations. The conflicts within Islam also were more numerous than those in any other civilization.. Conflicts involving Muslims also tended to be heavy in casualities... Three different compilations of data... yield the same conclusion: in the early 1990s Muslims were engaged in more intergroup violence than were non-Muslims, and two-thirds to three-quarters of intercivilization wars were between Muslims and non-Muslims. Islam's borders are bloody, and so are its innards."" [46]
Spencer, Robert. "Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West", (Regency Publishing: Washington, D.C; 2003) 183.
Footnote 46:
Samuel P. Hunington, "The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Order", (New York: Touchstone, 1997), 256-8.
You do not even that little statistic to figure it out, just turn on the tv or read a paper. The civil in war in Lebanon that muslims got the upperhand in, muslims jihadis in Kashmir, muslim Chechens with Middle Eastern cousins waging jihad on Russia, Israel vs Arabs, muslims causing unrest in Thailand, Arabs in Sudan vs black muslims and black non-muslims, Azerbaijan vs the Armenians of Nagarno-Karabagh, where muslims border non-muslims there is conflict more often then there is peace. Islam is a warlike and retrograde force on the planet, a true pox on all that should be considered decent.
Saying a country is stealing jobs is wrong. The US is the foremost proponent of the free market economy and has tried hard to globalize that idea. What has happened is the US has been successful. The only problem is that there are two sides to everything, including a globalized free market system.
If you're running a business, won't you try to minimize your costs? Won't you go to the company that can give you what you want for the lowest amount of money?
Well guess what? Now, companies don't just look for the lowest price in the US, but all over the world. Is it any surprise then, that they manage to find a LOT of other places where labor comes cheap, ESPECIALLY when converted into US Dollars?
And answer me one more thing please. Why is nobody grumbling about people stealing jobs from Nike sweatshops?
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Freedom from war and freedom to live.
Just like in Israel/Palestine, N. Ireland, etc, I bet most Kashmiris never wanted to be part of anything especially a war.
It's usually only a few assholes/idiots who cause most of the trouble.
Otherwise it'll just be lots of heated words and everyone else just ignores them and gets on with their lives.
Look are most Kashmiris much better off if they aren't part of India? I doubt it. Sure India isn't such a great country but what's the big deal being part of it? Is the Indian gov that evil as it is? I doubt it. Plus democracy in India is probably not as big a farce as it is in the US.
In fact the odds are there'll be genocide if one of those Militant Islamist groups takes over - just look at the track record round the world - e.g. Sudan, Indonesia, Turkey (e.g. Armenia, Kurds), even in Nigeria the Islamists burnt churches and rioted because of what a _newspaper_ said re Muhammad and a beauty contest.
Even recently in Pakistan some actress got death threats just because of an on-screen kiss - such threats in Pakistan are no joke - over there people's throats have been slit for less.
Would this attempt effect the raging outsourcing that's been happening over the past few years ? will companies that outsource some of their call center/software dev./etc services to india be concered after reading such news ?
Won't somebody please think of the Karma!
Bullshit. Being an Indian, I can tell you that Lashkar-e-Toiba is a Pakistani terrorist group, FUNDED by Pakistan and TRAINDED by ISI, the intelligence service of Pakistan. The terrorists are trying everything - from asking Kashmir to be a state of pakistan to making Kashmir an independent state. Once it becomes independent, the Kashmiri people will themselves "ask" to be merged with Pakistan and Pakistan will "reluctantly" "accept" the offer. Either that, or Kashmir will be an independent state only for name sake; in reality it will be in control of Pakistan. Just look at how Pakistan is controlling it right now. Don't believe everything General Musharraf says. In fact, don't believe ANYTHING he says. If you know the truth, you'll realise that every word Musharraf says is actually just blackmailing India (or extortion or threatening, if you want to be a language nazi).
SKS stands for Samozaryadnyj Karabin Simonova--Simonov autoloading rifle. Simonov wasn't Kalashnikov.
There was an attack in NYC, it didn't fail. We watched on TV as @$$holes from around the world rejoiced. Now you want us to feel sorry when it happens to you? It's seems to me the only national leader who immediately came to the US to offer help was Tony Blair.
was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
It's hard to pin down one industry you could joke about in NYC. Had it been planned for Canada someone could have said "WHAT ABOUT MY HOCKEY/MAPLE SYRUP". It wasn't a xenophobic comment. I suggest you evaluate yourself for bias before trying to pass judgement on others. Your "Saudi/Iraqi" comment was so ignorant I wont even touch it.
Being an Indian I can tell you that Lashkar-e-Toiba is a Pakistani terrorist group. Read my other comment here.
I think you are confusing Xenophobia with black humor. The only reason that it is funny is that it was a failed attack. A failed attack on any tech support call center would probably meet with same type of jokes. It would not matter if it was in Idaho or India.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Any attack on our call centers is an attack on America. We should be clear on that.
The Soviets gave us much more reason to be terrified than the Wahabis probably ever can. But they never directly attacked our interests. Why? Because we threatened total destruction of their homeland. What is the homeland of the Wahabis? A hint: Mecca is its capitol. What could make the Wahabis stop? A suggestion: A credible threat to totally destroy Mecca if they ever step over the line again.
Look, Moscow is an incredibly beautiful place deeply rooted in world history too. But why were we so much readier to take ultimate action against those who believed in the utopia of Marx, but unwilling to offer to same level of threat against those who believe in the heaven of Mohammed?
Both Marx and Mohammed are equally flawed branches of the same tree our own culture grows from. Both have had worldwide followers who, despite sometimes good motivations, individually, collectively brought repression and backwardness to large parts of the world, while threatening more enlightened and realistic regions.
We're not angels, and the followers of these two flawed ideologues aren't devils: the Russians weren't, and neither are the Islamists, on the whole. But threatening the Russians with total destruction, and meaning it, was integral to surviving their threat and ultimately (or at least temporarily) dissolving their global reach and the depth of repression in their homeland. Let's make the same threat to the Islamists. And let's let them know that, just as we were prepared to defend our interests across the world from the Russians, so too will any significant strike in any part of the world against our interests be the end of Mecca.
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
Unprotected sex with a member of the opposite gender.
I just hate it when tech support throws out all those technical terms.
See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
After 9/11, I started playing "what if" games. What if terrorists...
* Set off a WMD at a major vendor's HQ, taking out hundreds of key developers thereby crippling development of or shutting down a popular product?
* Set off a WMD at a trade show or technical conference, killing off top talent from across the industry?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Kashmir becomes independent...next day China walks in like they did with the part of kashmir pakistan had managed to capture a few decades back, uses the added military advantage to browbeat the three other nations into submission and/or nuke the hell out of them from up there,
...hello to World War IV!!
And the rest of the world just stands by and lets this happen? What happens to China's trade relations? Why would China risk alienating the world? It's simply not worth it.
build up their military might even more and proceed to beat the tar of USA (and this is one country that can actually try it thanks to sheer nuber of cannon fodder they have got... acceptable collateral damage and all) and all other countries over the world.
OMG RED CHINA IS COMING!!! Seriously, this scenario isn't even close to realistic. The chinese have about 20 nuclear weapons, give or take a few. The US has around 7000. It would take 164 to destroy US command and control, since China doesn't have that, it's an utterly unrealistic scenario for them to pursue. It would take about 400 nuclear missles to wipe out Chinese command and control. There isn't a realistic military option for the Chinese against the US.
Even if China woke up tommorow with Russia's nuclear capabilities (10,000 weapons) why would she attack the US? Her own trading partner? That is plain silly. If China wants to dominate the world all that is needed to to continue growing her economy and evolving while the US moves to a more service based/low tech economy and the dollar continues to drop.
Sounds unrealistic ?
A US/China conflict is even more unrealistic that a US/Russian one at this point.
And you have a president who starts attempting to capture a terrorist in Afghanistan and ends up bombing some dictator in Iraq... so let us leave unrealistic out of it...
If you don't understand the fact that he is trying to transform the region and not just 'capture Osama' then you are brain dead. I'm not saying it's going to work, because history says that nation building is usually a failue, but things are looking pretty good right now.
So goodbye to Indo-pak conflict
Unlikely, the only way you get World War IV is to drag the US and Russia into it on conflicting sides which is not going to happen.
You are so brilliant...
Before you go spouting off about nuclear war scenarios, why don't you go read a bit about what each country is capable of?
oh, I think it's just that it was early in the morning, look at it now ; )
(posted as anonymous before by mistake)
>> xenophobia and ignorance about the world are
>> valorised at the moment in the States
> Welcome to america. Dont like it ? Leave. This is how the
> world works: They hate us, we hate them
QED
From India to Indonesia, from the Netherlands to the Philippines the reason Muslims can't get along with their neighbors is because of Zionist occupied Palestine.
We watched on TV as @$$holes from around the world rejoiced. Now you want us to feel sorry when it happens to you?
It's assholes like you who all around the world rejoice when something bad happens, and all of them are using exactly the same logic. Only way to end that is that assholes like you decide to end it. (But I guess you lack the courage and intelligence to make such a bold step)
India stole Kashmir from the Muslims.
Period.
> Priority: Critical/Stopper
Addendum: This bug has appeared before. Apparently, the same executive team that outsourced the source code archival system to Bangalore is the same team that in September 2001, relocated the hot failover server to 2 WTC, to serve in the event of catastrophic failure of the main server in 1 WTC.
Recommended Action: The Board remains divided 50/50 along party lines, as to whether the proper long-term solution is to remove the goddamn Muslims or to remove the goddamn Executive team.
I think the terrorists were identified. It's unemployed american workers wanting their jobs back.
I wonder why Gartner Group and all of those consulting firms that make big money from offshoring do not come out and say:
a. Safety is much much lower in India
b. Someone may steal your data, source code and there is nothing you can do about it
c. Help increase India's economic output and its production of unregulated pollution
d. Help India corporations get big enough to buy out USA corporations
After reading endless anonymous threats to "Kill spammers" or "Knock off the RIAA" on Slashdot it looks like some of them finally went off and tried it against outsourcing. Never piss off desperate cobol programmers I guess.
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
Bada-Bing
Wahabi militant group is simply doublespeak for terrorists. These are the same islamic nut cases that let a bunch of Saudi school girls burn to death because they weren't wearing their head scarves and so couldn't leave the burning school building. Wahabi "militants" were the nutballs who ran the Taliban. bin Laden is a Wahabi militant as is Hamas and most of the Palestinian terror groups.
These guys' idea of an "independent" Kashmir is nothing more than another Sharia state to replace Afghanistan and give bin Laden a safer place to hide out.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
Most Americans are ignorant to the fact that the world hates us. Where I work, over $10,000 was donated to the idiots that were hit by the tsunami. My contribution, $0. Why? I know that the world hates me because I'm an American. Before I started reading Slashdot, I was ignorant to this fact. A better person might be able to overlook the constant derogatory comments towards Ameicans on this site, but I can't. If you and those like you want to keep it up, great. All I can do is help educate the ignorant Americans about how they are thought of by the rest of the world.
Do you really think third-rate military dictators would laugh at America and burn our flag in contempt if Ronald Reagan were president?
If 'militants','activists', or radicals' use terroristic tactics, how are they not terrorists?
Calling these people 'militants' is as repugnant as calling Himmler an 'activist' These people are terrorists pure and simple or no one is.
Hmmm... RDX explosives. Where have I heard of that before? Oh yeah, it was when 380 tons of the stuff went missing from a US-"controlled" bunker in Iraq.
NY Times link
Enjoy!
-Rick
Helloo... logged in users usually start off with posts at 1, but his is at 0, so he *is* actually being penalized due to the negative karma the system has assigned to him as a result of being modded down in the past. It's the way things work. Read the site FAQ if you don't get it yet.
Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
Self-centred and ignorant because it takes something very serious in India/Pakistan and turns it into a joke about call centres (which seems to be the farthest most comments get here on any story about India). It's not just that joke - look down through this story and you'll count tens of jokes that are all just as lame and just as insulting to people who have died and are dying in a conflict that's been going on for ages. Yes, it's a joke and not something to get righteous about, but I don't think it should go unchallenged.
Saying Xenophobia is valorised was a general comment on the insular attitude of the Bush administration since 9/11 who have consistently encouraged the country to disparage other nations (France comes to mind) and promoted a climate of fear and eternal vigilance against an undefined foreign enemy. I couldn't pretend to talk about all Americans and wouldn't want to. I certainly feel no 'hatred of Americans' but if that makes it easier to dismiss the criticism...
Somehow I don't think if that same joke was made about a failed attack on IT companies in NYC on this same site, people would be defending it as funny.
Now you want us to feel sorry when it happens to you? It's seems to me the only national leader who immediately came to the US to offer help was Tony Blair.
What? Even Saddam Hussein condemned the attacks.
-mkb
It's actually worse than that. They retroactively modded all my past comments to -1, even some that were 5s.
The Truth About Slashdot
Whabbi Muslim fantics want to:
a. kill all non-Muslims
b. convert anyone left to Whabbisim
c. revert back to the year 1200
Thanks Saudi Arabia for funding this for decades.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Talk about the world being a small place. I am an American living right near the IMA and have just been in Bangalore. The alleged attack on IMA affects me directly (much harder/impossible to go to the golf course there and the nearby FRI where civilians are permitted). Although I can't imagine why any room temprature IQ terrorist would want to attack them. That place is heavily guarded. As much or more so than any US military base I have been to in the US. On special occassions, they have plenty of tanks guarding gates much smaller than themselves. If you have been to any significant size IT organization in India, you would notice they have slavishly adopted a number of ISO (& other) certification for their processes. Consequently, most of them have a disaster recovery plan so even if their primary center is wiped out, the client assets are protected. Additionally, large American firms have wisely minimized their risk by distributing their exposure to muliple companies. Net net -- the apparent targets (Indian military, US clients) of these alleged terrorist had little to worry. I wouldn't even be surprised if the whole thing is fake encounter meant to boost the record of some local police official (after all no logical connection between IMA & Polaris). Nevertheless, in the process, I have been personally inconvinienced. Insensitive bastards!
The quality was rather good too.
emt 377 emt 4
>US people in particular, and Western people in general, are pricing
>themselves too high given the expensive lifestyles they lead.
1. Pollution laws that are enforced
2. Sanitary living conditions
3. A viable legal system that allows those with little resoures to win against those with millions of dollars
4. Basic health care
5. Free education for 12 years
6. Free children immunization
7. Good infrastructure
8. Labor laws
9. Minimal corruption/bribery at all government levels
Nice job of self-editing your memory, there. I suggest you actually go back and read some articles from right after 9/11. The outpouring of symapthy and support from all over the world for the US was like nothing we've ever seen before -- or, given our behavior since then, are likely ever to see again. For Christ's sake, Syria offered to help us track down the perpetrators. What a difference a few years make ...
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
Kheer denge.
Kashmir maango... dil cheer denge.
Ask for milk and we would treat you with pudding, in addition to the milk.
Ask for Kashmir, and be assured your heart would be ripped out.
Hindu, muslim - who the hell cares? Kashmir belongs to India and India alone. Now take your jack shit elsewhere.
Yeah, cuz Nixon about to give the Pakis what they needed to go marching into New Delhi.
Indira had to back down cuz of American might: a
situation the Indians are working overtime to overcome.
A couple more decads of Americans shipping jobs to India ought to tip the balance of power over to the Hindu state.
Journalists hope that if they suck up to this monsters, being careful to call them 'macho' names like "militant" they won't get hurt and may even get leads that let them have a cameraman in place when a bomb goes off in a marketplace (as is happening in Iraq). The typical journalist mindset (particularly in the European press) is, "Go blow up that schoolbus filled with Jewish schoolchildren. That's OK. Just leave me alone."
And have you noticed something else? Around the world it's the political left that's displaying the same zeal to keep blood-thirsty Middle-East tyrants and religious zealots in power that their fathers and grandfathers displayed for Stalin and Mao. The mainstream media is trying to get us to believe that the threat is from "religious fundamentalism," but the evil is the same that attracted so many to Karl Marx, a ideological rationale to kick people around and build a brave new world. It's the same zeal for blood that makes feminist so rabidly proabortion. It's the 'progress comes through death' mindset that lies at the heart of Darwinism, as Darwin himself stated so coldly but eloquently in the last paragraph of The Origin of Species.
Sick, sick, sick! Thank goodness the Internet and bloggers are giving us an alternative to scum who can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a militant.
--Mike Perry, Seattle
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http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fulln ews&id=81204
Militants planned to strike at IMA, Bangalore IT cos.:
[India News]: New Delhi, March 6, 2005 : With the killing of three militants and the arrest of two others here, police say they have uncovered a plot to strike at the Indian Military Academy (IMA) in Dehra Dun and major software companies in Bangalore.
The special cell of the Delhi Police Saturday evening busted a module of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, when they first apprehended two operatives and later neutralised three others in the city. Two of those killed were Pakistanis.
"The militants who had made the Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun their target were also planning to attack some big software companies based in Bangalore," Joint Commissioner of Police (Special Cell) Karnail Singh, told a press conference Sunday.
"The idea was to strike at the economic strength of the country as software is a major sector for India," he said.
Bangalore, known as India's silicon valley, houses software giants like Infosys, Wipro, Texas Instruments and others.
One of the arrested militants, Hamid Hussain, 28, had visited Bangalore in December 2004 along with another militant, identified only as Shams alias Pervez, who was shot dead Saturday, to map the locations of major software companies.
Police, meanwhile, are investigating the activities of the module and Sunday recovered several documents in this regard.
Raids on various locations in the capital led to the recovery of maps of Dehra Dun, three AK-56 rifles, six magazines and 14 live rounds, close to 100 kg of dynamite, 450 detonators, a satellite phone, a Maruti Zen car and a motor bike.
Some diaries containing codes also have been recovered and are being decoded, police said.
The most incriminating piece of evidence was the recovery of a Pakistani passport from one of the slain militants, Bilawal alias Abu Naman, Singh said.
The passport shows Bilawal's name as Saqib Ali of Sargodha with his current address in Rawalpindi.
It was issued on Nov 13 and Bilawal had visited the United Arab Emirates and then Nepal on that passport.
"This is the first time we have got straight evidence of a Pakistani's involvement. Usually when we kill or arrest a Pakistani we do not have evidence and that country conveniently refuses to acknowledge the same," Singh said.
Police have also recovered an identity card of Bilawal issued in Pakistan.
Interrogation of Hamid and Mohammad Sariq, 24, arrested Saturday, revealed that Hamid had been a resident of Jaffarabad in east Delhi for 15 years. He originally hails from Hapur, in Uttar Pradesh.
He was enrolled into the LeT by one Sailm alias Doctor. The duo, along with Shams, visited Kathmandu Feb 3 to meet Abdul Aziz, an alleged senior functionary of the LeT. Aziz discussed various targets with them and also gave the satellite phone to Salim.
Hamid was later introduced to Shahnawaz alias Abu Talla alias Mohammed Rafiq, a Pakistani who had set up a base in Patna with Shams' help two years ago.
Shahnawaz was responsible for infiltrating Bilawal and Abu Naman into India. They set up their hideout in Uttam Nagar in west Delhi.
Hamid had gone to Jammu to bring back explosives and was to be met by Sariq Saturday near the Samaipur Badli by pass road, where they were apprehended, blowing the lid over the entire plot.
--Indo-Asian News Service
http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id= 13 687293
LeT planned to target software cos in Bangalore
Sunday, 06 March , 2005, 18:14
New Delhi: The Lashkar-e-Toiba militants killed in an encounter at New Delhi on Saturday night planned to attack software companies in Bangalore besides Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun, Delhi police said on Sunday.
The militants visited Bangalore in December last year and surveyed the location of several software comp
yo! u mixed up the words terrorism and freedom fight. again! i hereby declare your comments "base"less.
Wow. So you missed the reference? No suprise.
What? Even Saddam Hussein condemned the attacks.
In public.
In private, do you really believe he gave a tinker's damn about anybody else?
You fail to mention that the king might have been Hindu, but the majority of Kashmiris were Muslim and either wanted to side with Pakistan (Islamic State) or be independent. Let the Kashmiris be free and autonomous then, since that was the agreement afterall.
I'm amazed that they need 100kg Dynamite to attack a few software companies - surely they must have had other plans?
100Kg of Dynamite is not THAT much. Especially when you consider the massive size of the [insert name of very famous Indian offshore development firm that's not Tata Consultancy here] campus in Bangalore.
And why are software companies so important as opposed to centres of government to these terrorists?
Probably because they aren't as heavily fortified as Indian government offices, yet may possibly have a much larger economic impact on the country? Do you have any idea how much money these firms make in comparison to the Indian GDP? Even if they could re-build immediately, and recover data from off-site locations (which they have), and get employees back up and operational immediately, what would YOU think if you were their client? The company could be the best in the world, and it STILL wouldn't be good enough when you consider the risks.
would you have cared if it was a company which didn't "take away american jobs" ?
.....
I don't think so
What part of "capitalism" and "free market economy" do you not understand ----
I think it's interesting that the poster used "Wahabi" to describe the militants, rather than the more widely-understood phrase "Islamic Extremist". Why obfuscate?
Honestly, no I would not care. But in that case they would not be *deserving*, but they would not be relevant.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Its rather interesting that ppl here are so much against Indian call centres, complaining about language issues. Of course, you're not gonna understand ppl there, and they're not gonna understand u cause u guys have different accents, not becaue either side can't speak english. I'm from Vancouver, Canada and I find it hard to understand ppl from the South US, australia, and the UK. Here in Canada, when I call up a gov agency, I get some french person speaking english and its pretty hard to understand them too. Not because they don't know english, its because their accent. What I'm even more suprised about is /.'ers who need to call tech support. Can't fix ur own comp eh?
All right, that's it, I don't care about IT outsourcing any more. Those are our geek brothers and sisters over there, and they're being attacked! Indian or Pakistani or Chinese or Thai or Turk or Russian or American or German or Finn or Swede or Brit or Mexican or Brazilian or Spanish or...
Geek is geek. A threat to Indian geeks is a threat to all of geekdom!
Kill the bastards.
No, but I don't believe any world leader does.
-mkb
These people used to be called terrorists - until they resorted to killing whoever called them that. No news organization will now use the word terrorist to describe them because if they do, they will kill whichever member of that news organization they can get their hand on. The same is true of the terrorists in Iraq who are going around killing innocent citizens to further their agenda and spread terror - Iraqi news organizations are forced to call them "insurgents" rather than the terrorists that they are because members of the news media in Iraq have a habit of turning up dead when they use the word terrorist to describe these people.
Mmmm.. Donuts
I called the other day because my Toaster wasn't my toast correctly and I got some guy on the phone saying: "I don't care about your toaster, you zionist pig infidel Yankee American." So I was like, "well, could you transfer me to tech support before you blow yourself up."
This is my sig.
It's seems to me the only national leader who immediately came to the US to offer help was Tony Blair.
Then you're a fucking ignorant moron.
The whole world with very few exceptions was more supportive of us than at almost any other time in our history.
The fact that he pissed all of this good will away is one of the major reasons a lot of Americans hate Bush.
let me see, terrorists want to kill as many innocent people as possible and the slashdot response is humor.....
Bush is right. These people must be destroyed before they get a chance to carry out acts of destruction against society.
Laugh all you want and flame me while you're at it. Bottomline: It is better to confront these idiots than to die because some cleric says you're not worthy of life!
We watched on TV as @$$holes from around the world rejoiced.
So that would be some stock footage of Palestinians dancing? Oh, and Funkmaster Kim from the DPRK didn't immediately condemn the attacks. Ho hum
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
I lived in Bombay at that time. Actually there was a lot of tension and communal riots before the bomb blasts in Bombay.
It's almost as if the bomb blasts had the opposite effect. There was a very eery calm and absence of violence and reaction in the aftermath of the bombs. The people of Bombay decided not to be cowed by the terrorists and to defy them. Attendance in offices the next day was actually higher than it was during typical days. The blood banks were overflowing within hours after the attacks and they actually had to ask people not to show up to donate blood.
Mmmm.. Donuts
While simultaneously oppressing the hordes of citizens in the streets celebrating? Nice self-editing of your own memory. Arab governments trying to silence their over joyous citizens in order to prevent a pissed off America thirsting for Muslim blood from storming into the Middle East was typical of 9/11.
I am sorry, Sir, but you are a moron and an ignoramus. India has been fighting terrorists similar to the 9-11 ones for two decades now. Only America didn't notice because anything that happens outside the USA doesn't matter, does it?
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Why shouldn't a country that foreigners think won't be able to pay off it's huge debt slice open it's wrists and bleed the last of it's money for corrupt third world government to "help" their people by building themselves a new harem, palace or fund a terrorist attack on their enemies? We all know that when America dies it will go to heaven be given 70 virgins.
Having an independent election at present is unfair; I understand that, over the past 20 years, the Kashmiri terrorists have systematically driven out all the Hindus and most of the moderate Muslims, so the region is predominantly Muslim right now. Any election will result in Kashmir voting to join Pakistan.
This would be like if, in the US, the right wing and neocons drove out all the democrats, non-christians and all left-leaning folks, and subsequently conducted a referendum to decide whether or not the US should be a theocracy.
The other issue is this: most of the terrorists fighting in Kashmir are not Kashmiris. They are Islamic fundamentalists from other countries funded, trained and politically backed by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Many of them have publicly declared that Kashmir is only the first step, and they will not stop until they have planted the Islamic flag in Delhi.
Magnus.
Kashmir is majority Muslim, and its inhabitants want to either join Pakistan or become independant. Its not just the terrorists who want Kashmir out of India, its the Kashmiris themselves.
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Some background on the whole situation here
http://www.fathom.com/course/10701013/session2.ht
Human rights abuses have been committed by both the Indian army and militants. The Indian army has been accused of killing 50,000 people in Kashmir since 1989.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/
Four more years of dead!
A blog about stuff.
There seem to be 2 distinct Chinese "Type 56" rifles.
The Type 56 carbine/SKS knockoff is a semiautomatic, but the Type 56 assault rifle/AK-47 knockoff is an assault rifle capable of automatic fire.
That country has no money, is a home of some of the worst people and only foreign policy they have is to "kashmir" just to keep the local folks distracted.
Well ... look, they are not going anywhere. India will be bigger, stronger and better world citizen and one day, just like cleaning out a trash can, will clean out pakistan when they stink too bad.
Yes, I am indian and I am very proud of my country with the progress made in there. Try running a country with 1B population, >80% people under the poverty line, 100's languages, 10 different religons, economically drained by the Brits for 100 yers and still able to come up with a woman as head of state, space technology, self sufficient in food and couple of nobel prizes in 50 years.
Please let me know when you find one !
- People who believe other people have no right to live, got no right to live ...
Pity there's no +1 Roger Waters Reference...
-ZK
Couldn't they just sneak in during the middle of the night and install an unpatched version of Windows 98 on all the computers? That should disable the call center a lot longer than 100kg of Dynamite!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Unfortunately, and as usual, the moderators don't get it.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Thank you Zemkai! Tell him what he's won, Jim!
on various boards and to friends, co-workers and family...
When "Osama/Al Queda/Biggy Terrorists" acquire a nuke...they will acquire just one and THEY WILL NOT BRING IT TO THE US.
Instead they will set it off in India in the general area where the US and other Westernized nations have sent their offshored technical/support and engineering jobs.
This action alone will bring the US/Westernized economies to their knees worldwide. Furthermore, it is how the terrorists can actually win by getting winning through the efforts of their enemies.
India's response will be to assume that IT HAD TO COME THROUGH PAKISTAN...and launch a nuke at Pakistan.
With that powder keg lit...US comes to India's aid...China presses Taiwan thinking our hands our full...we hit back as a form of saying, "not so fast".
And Russia? Germany? UK? France? I find myself having a hard time calling their responses. Lot has changed since the Cold War.
If and when this happens - the terrorists get to watch the big boys do most of their work for them which is simple - take each other down - while they go one building their network.
=8-)
We could deter the Soviets because they are for the most part rational people. Islamic militants are already committing terrorists acts against pilgrims carrying out their sacred duty of a Haj to Mecca... what makes you think they would be detered by threats against Mecca? Again, deterrents only work against people that are capable of logic. Unfortunatly, the only thing that will work against extremist Islamic militants is killing every last one of them, but doing it in a way that doesn't encourage others to join their cause.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
after all, they might have to code at home.
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True, but any <insert-belief-set> militant group is simply doublespeak for terrorists. Christian, vegetarian, feminist, racial pride, etc.
Fo an intro to Wahhabism that doesn't resort to conclusions like "nutballs" and "islamic nut cases", there's an article here (probably with its own biases, but I found it more informative and it includes references.)
Statements that appeared on rueters did not coincide with the vitrol spewed forth in the local media of many of our so called allies. The crap that we blew up our own buildings or the Isreali's were tipped off started immediately and even made Canadian press. Every single day hundreds of anti-american posts are posted here on slashdot. And long before 9/11 ever happened the European press on any given day sounded more and more like Al Jazeera.
Terrorism isn't terrorsim until the WTC is attacked. And only then is it terrorism and only *that* is terrorism. If you have had 20+ years of attacks on innocent people by a band of murderers based in and funded by some other country, it is just a local conflict largely of *your* making, so fix it.
And the way to fight terrorism is the way the US fights terrorism and every one else should drop their problem and come join the US. If you disagree the *US* may soon become your problem.
When a muslim sovereign is waging war it is customary of him to ask the infidels to submit voluntarily to the abode of Islam and pay the jiyza to the muslim ummah to assure their toleration. The last resort if they refuse is as you correctly point out to wage jihad and make them submit to paying the jiyza.
Flamebait? Looks like the mods are either sarcasm or not-being-a-racist-dick impaired.
Agreed. During the campaign, they showed Kerry on TV at somebody's house in Vermont or New Hampshire, holding a rally. There was a really big 'geek' waiting to talk to him. When he finally did, he told Kerry about IT jobs that were being offshored. Kerry said wow (clearly unaware of this), and asked an aide to give his contact information to that geek. Nobody else has brought this up other than Kerry. And how are we supposed to know that when a company lays off 3,000 people, (which makes the news), if it's not simply re-hiring those people in a different country? And then their CEO gets a 12 million dollar bonus? Suddenly, you don't feel sorry for the company anymore.
Cover your eyes and click this link!
Are you referring to Ronnies "triumphant" invasion of Grenada in '83 or running away from Beirut in '84 after 241 Marines were murdered in their sleep by a terrorist, with no response by your godling Ronnie? You neocons need to start READING history instead of listening to rightie talking heads. Reagan is one of the worst presidents in our countries history and the rights ignorance of what actually happened during his tenure while trying to turn him into some kind of god is tantamount to insanity. But to answer your question, yes I think third-rate military dictators would laugh at America and burn our flag in comtempt if Reagan were president. They were doing it while he WAS president and his policies are part of the reason we are were we are today.
For all you people who keep saying "Americans think their country is better than any other country, etc" can kiss my ass! God forbid that a countryman loves his country! I'm sick and tired of seeing people repeating over and over that Americans think they're better than everyone else. Please tell me what the problem is with that?!? Is there anything wrong with having a good attitude? Should I shit all over the country I wish to live in? Should I bash the country I was born in? I don't care if you hear (or think) that Americans feel that they excel in all aspects of life, it's none of your business. Maybe you should try it youself sometime. Or is it that you don't feel the same way about your country? One of the great things about being an American is being able to bash your country and disagree with the politics, etc. But on the other hand, if I love my country, that should be no concern to you. I care for the well-being or my fellow countrymen. If I want to bash outsourcing, off-shoring, or anything else that I feel is causing problems for the people of America, I am free to do so. Mind your own business!
this is an example of how our government has ceased to represent us. Face it, we are in a corpritocracy; or a government for the purpose of corporations. Mostly influenced by larger, multinational concerns which rarely report profits in the countries where they are earned.
We invaded Chile years ago to keep low the price of copper for our phone systems. This has been going on for a long time but is now pervasive. The only conflict now is which coprorations get to have the say; when energy overlaps the financial houses, who gets to control which policy is followed? When there is no longer enough largess of the population to steal, it's really going to be dangerous when Drug Manufacturers turn against HMOs and Big Oil fights against Weapons Dealers (UNICOL vs. GM).
To understand what is really going on, you have to read; "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
>>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
American Apparel makes fantsatic t-shirts here in the US (LA to be specific).
Although I don't know where they get their source material (they'd probably mention it if it was US-sourced, but I couldn't find mention of it anywhere on their site).
Somehow I don't think if that same joke was made about a failed attack on IT companies in NYC on this same site, people would be defending it as funny.
If the planned attack was on Idaho there would be plenty of jokes, which would be defended. You are so far from the realm of reality in the rest of your post I won't even touch it. Your worldview is in conflict with reality, get help.
No, it's not a knockoff of the SKS. What the author meant to say was the Type-56, which is the Chinese version of the AK-M (commonly, but erroneously, refered to as the AK-47). They're made everywhere, and I'm astounded that somebody took the time to identify it as a particular AK variant.
don't you feel some, eh, sympathy for wahabists?
You can't reason with extremists. Confrontation may be an unpopular term around here, but there is a time for it.
Is anyone really even surprised anymore when we hear of the latest plot to kill "infidels" by muslim radicals? It has become laughable how after every attack we have these muslim PR people and politically-correct politicians spewing propaganda that islam is "a religion of peace". Islam is as much nonviolent as McDonald's is a vegetarian institution just because they happen to sell salads now!
I am sure this will be modded down to "troll", but my assertions remain valid nonetheless. Can someone please explain why all these people want to kill everyone non-muslim? I honestly would like to know, because I certainly don't understand it.
Also I dont think it is being applied anywhere.
Islam does not allow people to wage war only to rule/invade others. But on the other hand, many people have abused the religion and its beliefs to their advantage, which doesnt mean that the religion endorses those evil. I feel sorry for the actions of those b@st@rd$ for their actions since they not only harm the world in general but actually humiliate such a large "good" crowd that is out there.
BTW there is one thing I noticed. Whenever a Muslim does something wrong the _whole_ ISLAM comes under trial! Do you agree? Of course recent examples mite make you believe that it has something to do with Islam but its actually evil entities of the world, which have nothing to do with the world, Islam or anything. And they have accomplices in every circle. Its a shame we allowed them to get so big/over-powering.
I would buy the american made high priced things, but now, hell yeah I am going to buy the asus motherboard so I can still throw money at rent and food!
This is not meant to be troll but a sincere effort at balancing the comments out there.
Well, apparantly there is a lot of talk on the issue of Kashmir itself with the majority of Indian favored comments stating a lot of historical inaccuracies (which I don't blame the posters for, but as is countries indoctrinate their ideological versions of history) but it saddens me to see so much of it rated 'informative' without the system balancing them out... regardless here's a summary from a couple of my friends (pakistani and indian)...
1. The partition of India & Pakistan was a result of a few factors and a few base principles. One of these (highly unusual) was the notion of a separate homeland for two people - one for a hindu majority and one for a muslim majority. This is not my idea, there are a variety of historical documents that support this (ref. see development of the congress party, the division of the muslim league. The division of territory etc. etc all prove this).
2. Kashmir was an odd case where the population was overwhelmingly muslim but the ruler was hindu. He unilaterally decided to go with India violating the original premise for the partition. (hence the dispute).
3. Indian 'stablization' troops were dispatched and there was a bloody but short lived (thankfully) war over Kashmir between India and Pakistan right after the two gained independence. At the end, the Indians held a large chunk, Pakistan held a smaller chunk and China another smaller chunk of the territory. These positions exist to today.
The real Miscreants of this issue are the damn British. Look at how they 'partitioned' India and Pakistan. For that matter look what they did in the Far East and in the Middle East. Each time a bone of contention was left so that the people who lived there would remain in enemity for ever and ever.
True the british have been gone for a while but that does not diminish the brutal act they did that set both countries down this road.
So finally, getting back to the topic, blaming Pakistan for something that a rogue group has declared (not done) is not fair. I would say blame the group for its words and demonstrated actions but not anyone else.
even if you made 50K you cant afford it.
Lumpy is right, all these people that scream to buy american made Dont do it themselves.
drive a FORD? 80% of it is made outside the states. Buy only american made? it does not exist except at local SMALL manufacturers. instead of buying that gas grill at the megamart, buy one at a local manufacturer. it will cost you $1600.00 compared to the $199.00 but it's american made.
American Charcoal for your cheapie grill? it's $12.95 a bag... that import kingsford crap is $4.25 a bag.
How about your mop or vaccuum? $1250.00 for an american vaccuum...... $129.95 for a cheapie from south america...
These are real prices, americans do NOT want to buy american things, they are simply trained to buy the low price slave labor crap....
FUBU? made by slave children, Nike? same...
gotta love the "brothers" fightin' da power of whiety on the backs of slavery....
They were going to be upsourced?
Kill them, kill them, kill THEEEEM KILLLLLL THEM AAAAAALLLL.
Remember, the terrorists are among us too.
Trust no-one, not even your children.
The time has come to defend yourself, Attack!!
Idaho has the highest hate groups per capita of any US State. We would be laughing, but we wouldn't be joking. Some things are inherently funny.
Ahh! Such righteousness.
Just do it. It's got to be cheaper than the fisticuffs.
But it wouldn't be profitable for the arms merchents that prod them on and do their best to aggravate the situation. Goes for the Middle East, also. There's no profit for the weapons industry in peace. To lose that business could wipe out America's/Europe's biggest export market. The trade defecit would jump 10 times what it is now. And their lobbyists make the entertainment and pharmaceutical lobby look like high school punks. Peace is just bad for business.
What?
Being an Indian, I can tell you that...
That would make you unbiased? Are you from Kashmir? or a nice, comparatively safe place like Goa? Go there often? How do I know that you're not just being spoon fed propaganda from the Indian equilivent of FOX? Why should I believe you more than him? I think if I want an unbiased view point, I'll look for somebody that's neither Indian OR Pakistani. Or I'll wait to find out the opinion the people of Kashmir. I certainly don't expect to get the truth from either of the beligerents. That would be like expecting Bush or Blair or Saddam to tell the truth about Iraq. I don't believe any of them.
The rest of the Arab world not only condemned the attacks, they held prayer vigils and sent condolences. Kuwait sent so many flowers to the US embassy that it ringed the entire compound. Iranian students burst into spontaneous (unplanned) peace demonstrations in support of the US. Egypt's Al-Azhar University, the highest Sunni authority by many, categorically condemned the attack, and reiterated their previous fatwa that suicide bombing was a major sin. The Organization of the Islamic Conference in Qatar that year condemned the attack. Sheikh Qaradawi, a notable figure appearing on Al Jazeera, condemned the attack as well.
You don't believe me? Go see some photos all over the Muslim world of solidarity with America on 9/11 and condemnations of the attack from the Arab and Muslim leaders and scholars.
It should be obvious too that the Wahabi sect depends for its power base on people who know little about the world. I define as "obscurantist" any religion which seeks to prevent its followers from acquiring knowledge that might cause them to ask too many questions. Modern communications, which make it possible (for instance) for poor Indians to learn more about the outside world through the WWW and mobile phones, are a threat to this kind of dominance through ignorance.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
I must of missed that. Besides flowery words, how did the the "Whole world with very few exceptions" support the US?
Talk is not support. Blood and treasure is support.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Damn, I hope he reads this before he trys anything.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Clue train: I don't fucking care what you think. I just want Bush (or whoever makes those decisions) to reconsider his strategy of supporting Musharraf so much on one hand and wailing about terrorists attacking USA (which is happening) OTOH. BTW, try going to Kashmir and getting the honest opinions of at least 100 people. You'll know what I'm talking about. AFAIK, it's people who watch FOX who are being spoon fed propaganda by Musharraf. How many interviews of Musharraf have you seen compared to interviews of an Indian Prime Minister or minister or bureaucrat? And BTW, the whole world isn't exactly like whichever country you live in. There are differences.
I didnt say that. All I said was that there are bad people, really bad ones, but there is also the media which helps the cause further. You have a point that the so-called Muslim phreakos/phundamentalists did all the above henious acts, but I just wanted to say that this has nothing to do with Islam. No religion in the world can allow that.
Whatever. There's no hope for any kind of peace in India or Pakistan as long as people carry the hate the way you do. You won't be happy until you get the last revenge. As long you all are trying to kill each other off, try not to soil the beaches. Happy hunting.
Anti-American moderator with a subtle sense of humor? Pro-American idiot who thought redunant means something else?
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