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Bill Gates to Receive Honorary UK Knighthood

jolyon writes "Yahoo is reporting that Bill Gates will receive his honorary UK knighthood on Wednesday. He doesn't get to call himself 'Sir' though. He becomes a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire."

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  1. DOJhood! by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

    "(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."

    If only Knighthood came with all the grandeur that fairytales make it out to be. Luckily for Gates he falls right into the lot of Knights that were brutal barbarians who killed their competitors off by lopping their heads off with a sharp steel sword.

    Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword.

    You have to wonder if this is something like Gates received from the DOJ... "Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal courthouse, Gates will kneel in front of the judge, who will gently slap him on the wrist.

    They need to name that something cool like Honorary Convicted Monopolist or something.

    1. Re:DOJhood! by ciroknight · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hopefully the queen will do more than "gently tapping" Gates with the sword.

      Here's to hoping Thursday's headline involves a headless Gate ;)

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    2. Re:DOJhood! by Minupla · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Oops, did I pick up the light saber instead of the sword again? So sorry. I loose more knights that way."

      Min

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    3. Re:DOJhood! by DangerSteel · · Score: 5, Funny

      I will only laff if afterwards the Queen mother says "There can be only one!"

    4. Re:DOJhood! by lowe0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As nice as the chivalrous knights would have been, I'd wager it was the headchopping assholes who actually got shit done.

      Way of the world.

    5. Re:DOJhood! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Queen Mum is dead, you insensitive clod!

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      Never been known to fail..."
    6. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      yeah, look at those losers jesus christ, mahatma ghandi, mother teresa and siddhartha gautama. they accomplished nothing, and the world has forgotten them.

      oh wait...

    7. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just jealous because you wasted your own life not amounting to anything significant.

    8. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you keep loosing [sic] their heads.

    9. Re:DOJhood! by w42w42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just had this image of Gates as Lord Farquaad in Shrek.

    10. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who?

    11. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try thinking back before them. You know, the dark ages and all. The Crusades. Hell, the Romans. You telling me anything got done then peacefully?

    12. Re:DOJhood! by mickwd · · Score: 4, Funny

      "...I'd wager it was the headchopping assholes who actually got shit done."

      Isn't that what assholes are for ?

    13. Re:DOJhood! by Billy+Donahue · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Americans don't kneel to any so-called "sovereign".
      Friggin' disgrace he is.

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    14. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe with some luck the Queen will have a bad day with her computer "feature full of bugs, viruses, and various vulnerabilities" and haul him off to the dungeon for public disservice instead.

      When was the last time the Queen had someone imprisoned anyway?

    15. Re:DOJhood! by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 4, Funny

      I doubt it... Microsoft doesn't know how to do headless anything.

    16. Re:DOJhood! by Atzanteol · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Honorary Convicted Monopolist or something

      Okay, this just sounds really stupid at this point. I know this is way off-topic, but can one be a convicted monopolist? Doesn't convicted imply "found guilty of doing something wrong?" Being a monopoly isn't illegal. Misusing one is. Microsoft has been *declared* a monopoly by the courts. But I don't think they were *convicted* of it.

      I work for a company that has been declared a Fortune 500 company. Not one that has been convicted of being a Fourtune 500 company.

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      - Charles Darwin
    17. Re:DOJhood! by JudgeFurious · · Score: 5, Funny


      I can picture someone standing near the queen whispering into her ear "Do it, you'll never get a chance like this again! For the love of god woman just lop his head off!"

      And then when she doesn't it'll be "And you call yourself a monarch! Real kings and queens of England are spinning in their graves right now. You could have at least held him for ransom."

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    18. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Then we'd have to flame that apple guy... ...oh, wait, he's dead.

    19. Re:DOJhood! by Shalda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And we see why Keith Richards has thumbed his nose at the prospect of being knighted. Mick, on the other hand, sold out.

    20. Re:DOJhood! by QMO · · Score: 1

      Confudious was peaceful, and EXTREMELY influential. It seems that his influence is responsible for ending the practice of killing people and horses to bury with dead Chinese emperors, to serve them in the afterlife, among other reforms.

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    21. Re:DOJhood! by Cruez · · Score: 2, Funny

      He becomes a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.
      Sounds like something from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

      Maybe they will pull a Mike Tyson and take a little off the earlobe..

    22. Re:DOJhood! by zonker · · Score: 0

      what is he being knighted for? hell the EU is trying to prosecute microsoft for screwing customers. i'm not saying ms hasn't done good, but this is kind of stupid imho. anyone going to pie him?

      btw, i'm not sure about being born a citizen of the US but you can't have a royal 'title' if you are a naturalized citizen as you have to drop any recognition of royalty if you go through naturalization. anyone know if this extends to citizens born in the US?

    23. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, so very influential, yet people can't even spell his name right.

    24. Re:DOJhood! by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      You mean Etats-Unians, not Americans

      Perhaps if he's French Canadian like I presume yourself to be, but most people tend to call citizens of the United States of America simply "Americans."

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    25. Re:DOJhood! by wolenczak · · Score: 1

      FYI: The British Empire is not the EU nor all of its countries are part of it.

    26. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you implying that before some arbitrary time t, nothing ever got accomplished without violence?

      so tell me, how many people does one beat up to create a wheel? how many throats does one slit to irrigate a field with river water?

    27. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a difference between a typo and a mispelling. those of us who touch type don't necessarily l o o k a t e a c h l e t t e r a s w e t y p e i t. 'D' borders 'c' on a qwerty.

    28. Re:DOJhood! by first.last · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is the queen doing the knighting? If so, you know she's getting old and feeble, so we might get lucky and the sword slips out of her hands and....

      If you work at BP, and you're reading this, you know what has to be done. I'm not condoning violence, I'm just saying, a greased-up sword handle is much more likely to slip out of her hand.

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    29. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here we call them Gringos, Gabachos, or more to my liking, Pendejos, to tell them apart from other Americans from other United States.

      Most people know that America is the continent. Not many know that the United States of America are not the only United States in America. Mexico's official name is 'Estados Unidos Mexicanos', or United States of Mexico.

    30. Re:DOJhood! by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


      Yes , you are correct , most people still make that mistake , they tend to think that "of America" means Americans. Its beeing corrected one step at the time.

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    31. Re:DOJhood! by Caltheos · · Score: 1

      Sorry to nitpick, but you did ask. Convicted can mean "to be shown or declared as blameworthy" It can be argued that convicted monopolist means he is shown to be to blame for being a monopolist.

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    32. Re:DOJhood! by RangerRick98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My point, however, is that it's just a name. The reason people say "American" and mean someone from the USA is because it's shorter to say than to spell it all out. It's not because they don't think Canada or Mexico or any other country isn't part of an American continent. It's because "Canadian" and "Mexican" are faster to say than "person from the USA."

      Perhaps if you could come up with a name for us citizens of the USA that's similar in length and time to say to "American" people could start using that instead. Any ideas?

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    33. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When they mention the queen they usually mean the queen of england. Not queen Amidala from Naboo.

    34. Re:DOJhood! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

      But...there was no NetCraft announcement...

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    35. Re:DOJhood! by x0n · · Score: 1

      No I'm not, you insensitive clod.

      - Mumsy

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    36. Re:DOJhood! by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I did ask. But blame again implies "wrong" being done. You may disagree with monopolies but they aren't illegal, nor are they necessarily wrong.

      I disagree with the catholic church, but I wouldn't call a priest a "convicted catholic."

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    37. Re:DOJhood! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Ooops! I knighted him with a sword known to have a defective Safety.DLL"

    38. Re:DOJhood! by Snowdog668 · · Score: 4, Funny

      so tell me, how many people does one beat up to create a wheel? how many throats does one slit to irrigate a field with river water?

      42?

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    39. Re:DOJhood! by farmhick · · Score: 1

      Those of us who touch type usually know when we hit the wrong key too. Also, there is the Preview button for a reason. So we don't look like complete asses for a stupid little mistake.

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    40. Re:DOJhood! by zonker · · Score: 0

      heh, thanks. i've caught myself saying that before but i guess not this time.

      anyway, i still think the point is valid tho. do we just give out awards to billionares just because they made a lot of people rich along the way? even if his company employs lots of british folks i'm not sure it really merits any sort of award or distinction. being the richest man in the world i would think is distinction enough...

    41. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One - the throat of the guy on the other side of the river who already built an irrigation system.

    42. Re:DOJhood! by hph · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean the Mumonkan. :-)

    43. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never heard of the last one, so the world has forgotten him.

      You're ignorant as well as a filthy troll, then. Try "Buddha".

    44. Re:DOJhood! by operagost · · Score: 1

      That was the worst troll I've seen this week.

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    45. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with the catholic church, but I wouldn't call a priest a "convicted catholic."

      FWIW, I know many fundamentalist evangelicals who refer to themselves as "convicted Christians". There is no connotation of criminality or immorality in their usage of the word.

    46. Re:DOJhood! by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Buddha didn't really do anything either. He would be useless as a knight. Even his cult says you're not supposed to pay attention to what he said.

    47. Re:DOJhood! by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 1

      AFAIK having an unsanctioned monopoly is very much illegal. This is what patents and such things are for: they give the inventor a LEGAL monopoly for a period of time. If it's not granted by the authorities then it's illegal.

      --- Disclaimer IANAL

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    48. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      According to my English dictionary, 'convict' refers exclusively to being found guilty of a crime in a court of law. Microsoft has not been convicted of being a monopolist, it has been convicted of abusing its operating systems monopoly, which in itself is perfectly legal, and was built legally (the requirement to stop competing aggressively against its rivals in OS-related markets only came after Microsoft had built its OS monopoly).

      It's actually a very strange situation since Microsoft was never granted a monopoly by the state, as is generally the case in monopoly markets. Apparently Microsoft Windows acheived a specific market share one day, and instantaneously transformed from a product in a monopolistic-competition market to a product in a monopoly market. That in turn required Microsoft to stop behaving like a normal private firm (monopolistic competition is the normal market situation for non-commodity goods) and start behaving like a monopoly, i.e. restricting its behaviour towards competitors and entry into related markets. (No economics professors I know considers Microsoft Windows a monopoly anyway, but that's a separate issue.) Quite how Microsoft management were supposed to recognise this transformation has never been explained.

    49. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Learn to spell... the word is "LOSE".

    50. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the Experanto word "usono"? Commonly anglicised to "usian".

    51. Re:DOJhood! by EugeneK · · Score: 1

      Was there any other details? Was she truly a British icon, whether or not we liked her books? Did you hear it on talk radio?

    52. Re:DOJhood! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
      Her books?

      Her songs! You must mean Elton John!

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      Never been known to fail..."
    53. Re:DOJhood! by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Yes , I agree totally with your point , people do make that mistake all the time and are not corrected

      I wouldn't call it a mistake, more like an ambiguity.

      citizen of the United States = Etats-Unians

      Well, that has the same problem "American" does, doesn't it? I mean, the USA isn't the only United States in the world. Another poster in this thread pointed out that it's fully "United States of Mexico" south of us, so we can't very well call ourselves "United Statesians" either.

      I'm open to any further suggestions. :)

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    54. Re:DOJhood! by cbr2702 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      How many people must a man beat up,
      Before he's invented the wheel?
      Yes and how many throats must a poor man slit,
      Before his field can drink?
      Yes and how many times must he maim in the night,
      Before he's invented fire?
      The answer, my friends, is only 42.
      The anwser is only 42.

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      This post written under Gentoo-linux with an SCO IP license.
    55. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Perhaps if you could come up with a name for us citizens of the USA that's similar in length and time to say to "American" people could start using that instead. Any ideas?

      Wankers?

    56. Re:DOJhood! by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      That's not true though... Ma Bell was a monopoly, and Microsoft has been declared a monopoly. If it were illegal, they would be fined or otherwise made to stop (broken up like Ma Bell).

      What it illegal from what I can tell, is abusing a monopoly to maintain said monopoly. IOW, they start to play by different rules (in theory).

      Otherwise the first player in any new market would automatically be illegal (they would be the only player, and thus a monopoly).

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    57. Re:DOJhood! by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      +1 Dylan. Apparently while using drugs as well. :)

    58. Re:DOJhood! by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


      My point , is that its a mistake. The "of" make it a mistake and not an ambiguity.

      Actually its United Mexican States. and the shorter form is Mexico.

      Etats-Unians is perfect , because Etats-unians forget that they have a country because of France , and this is a good way to remember it, Etats is French for states.

      So this settle it , some will wrongly and erronesly say Americans , other , like me , will say Etats-Unians.

      Have a nice day.

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      I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    59. Re:DOJhood! by Soruk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Arise, Sir Hackedalot, I mean, erm, Sir Hackedtobits.

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    60. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off with his head!

    61. Re:DOJhood! by killjoe · · Score: 1

      The message is simple. Crime pays. If you commit crimes and make lots of money in the process it's A-O-K.

      Go tell your kids that before you tuck them into bed.

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    62. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oops, did I pick up the light saber instead of the sword again?"

      Of course, in the person of Sir Alec Guinness, the Queen had a genuine Jedi knight at her service...

    63. Re:DOJhood! by killjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft was convicted of abusing their monopoly. By the lower courts and then by unanious opinion of the appeals court.

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    64. Re:DOJhood! by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      The "of" make it a mistake and not an ambiguity.

      I don't follow your argument here, please ellaborate.

      I can see some validity behind your argument for the French term, though I find it unlikely that it will come into widespread global use.

      You continue to say that calling citizens of the USA "Americans" is wrong, which is incorrect even if the rest of your argument were accepted. We still live on an American continent, and are therefore Americans.

      You're perfectly welcome to call yourself American as well, being from Canada; just be aware that there would likely be misunderstanding from the large number of those that consider "American" to mean "from the United States of America." Just don't say that people from the United States of America aren't Americans, because obviously we are, by at least one definition of the word.

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    65. Re:DOJhood! by alw53 · · Score: 1

      Yanks?

    66. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had this image of you as a thirty-eight year old virgin loser, masturbating in your underwear in front of slashdot while a children's movie plays on the tv in the background.

      Welcome to life, bozo

      TrollBurger

    67. Re:DOJhood! by orin · · Score: 1

      Say what you want - the guy has donated more money to charity than any other person in history. Although the aims of Stallman are admirable, like it or not, the amazing amount of money that Gates has given to charity has had a more profound positive influence on a lot of the world outside the west. Gates has personally redistributed a lot of wealth generated by the Microsoft tax directly into charities that get out and help people.

      He deserves recognition for this and a knighthood is appropriate.

    68. Re:DOJhood! by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


      Simply put the US is in America , they are not america. They are "of America" , they are not America.

      One step at the time getting people to agree on the word is one step , the rest will come or not later.

      Yes , calling the citizen of the United States "Americans" is wrong , to be called American you must associate The Etats-Unians with a citizen from another country from America.

      Your definition is correct. And I agree beeing on the American continent make the Etats-Unians Americans , they are not Americans because they are Etats-Unians.

      I find it really funny that you think where welcome to something which is ours to begin with we discovered ( rediscovered ) the place and named it (the continent). Its not like we have to ask you for anything. We earned and made it into reality its ours.

      Actually there is no missunderstanding , Etats-Unians make the mistake to say that they are America , and its with great pleasure that I correct them.

      The People from the United States are Americans

      The Citizen of the United States of America are not Americans or America they are the Etats-Unians.

      If you still disagree , Then I agree to disagree with you

      have a nice day.

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      I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    69. Re:DOJhood! by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Okay, this is my last comment on this, because too much time has been spent on such a trivial matter already, but I had to point out the following contradiction in your last post:

      The People from the United States are Americans

      The Citizen of the United States of America are not Americans


      Well, I've fed this troll enough. :)

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    70. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to read. Both words work.
      Use your imagination instead of being a sparty pants.. ;-p

    71. Re:DOJhood! by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling it may be Gates with the urge to "Tap that." What with the kneeling and all.

      I'm a filthy human being.

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    72. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cowboys, capitalist barbarians, warmongering nationalistic selfproclaiming puritan religious arrogant ethnocentric egocentric mujahideens of the west, .. dang, have to fit in babykillers and ethnic clinsing in there somewhere...

      ok, so that wasn't short, but it's selfdiscriptive, just like 'mexicans' and 'canadians' are ;-)

      Nah, you guys are cute.. so innocent and naive, while your government screws both of us in the pooper. That should create some bonding between us, even if it sounds gay.

    73. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, citizens of the united states ARE americans.
      Not all of its inhabitants have citizenship (such as greencards).. but citizenship makes you american, nothing else as far as I know.. unless maybe you're native.

    74. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may not have been clear.. greencard does not equal citizenship. Citizenship does equal being american.. unless you are saying that canadians and mexicans are americans too.

      In that case you're saying that all eagles are animals, but not all animals are bird brains.

    75. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to punctuate. You should not separate two sentences with an elipsis. (That's those three dots in a row.)

    76. Re:DOJhood! by scum-e-bag · · Score: 1

      In Australia people from the USA are often called "Seppos" or "Yanks".

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    77. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a classic Dave Allen at Large skit where Queen Victoria is knighting someone and nicks him on the ear. He is outraged, draws his sword, and he and Q. Victoria have a sword fight around the throne room; she finishes by running him through and settling back on her throne.

    78. Re:DOJhood! by gcain · · Score: 1

      Learn to spell! That's ellipsis not elipsis.

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    79. Re:DOJhood! by sapgau · · Score: 1

      Oh god! the more I scroll down the more harder I laugh!!

    80. Re:DOJhood! by phyruxus · · Score: 1
      but apparently, some of us (i.e. you) don't check if we're being complete asses while proofing for typos.

      i suppose you flame off whenever you see teh ?

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    81. Re:DOJhood! by djfray · · Score: 1

      yeah, because murder is funny!

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    82. Re:DOJhood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I bet you shag yo mama in front of a windows BSOD.

  2. Not the first Bill ... by pavon · · Score: 5, Funny

    to have a Most Excellent Adventure through knighthood. Does this mean he call himself Bill H Gates, Esquire now? Party on Dude!

    sorry, so so sorry

    1. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you beat me to it... I figured it wouldnt be long til someone made a Bill&Ted joke.

    2. Re:Not the first Bill ... by dema · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn, grandparent beat me to the joke, and parent beat me to complaining about being beaten to ):

    3. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      Godda...

      Oh, screw it.

      ~D

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    4. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Sir?!..." The man should be drawn and quartered and thrown into the deepest, darkest dungeon on earth for inflicting most of the world's desktop systems with his vile creations...obviously, the idiots who give out these rewards don't do tech support...that should be their punishment:

      Someone with a clue: "Who decided to give Bill Gates an award?"

      British bureaucrat: "I did, and a few of my colleagues."

      Someone with a clue: "Fine, you are all required to report for duty as M$ Windows tech support for all of the M$ Windows machines in the U.K. This includes anyone who wants you to fix their home computer, friends, etc. This is for life, and continues after retirement. Working hours are unlimited, pay is minimal, and oh yes, you have no choice. You may not use any alternatives. M$ junk only. Good luck."

      Talk about a fate worse than death...:-)

      I'm not sure if I prefer Bill burned at the stake, or simply hung by the neck until dead...

    5. Re:Not the first Bill ... by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Hung by the big toe would be nice... slow... painful...

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    6. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inna Godda Da Vida, Baby...

    7. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now are you gonna go beat it to some pr0n?

    8. Re:Not the first Bill ... by over_exposed · · Score: 1

      So he becomes a Knight Commander of the MEO? Is that an Elf, Dwarf or Human?

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    9. Re:Not the first Bill ... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I don't know... the image of Gates in the ending scene of Braveheart comes to mind (without the merciful beheading, of course)

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    10. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to have a Most Excellent Adventure through knighthood.

      To be honest, I think Bill had his Most Excellent Adventures before then.

      We are talking about Clinton, right?

    11. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      I have been beaten to the joke too, you insensitive clod!

    12. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, grandparent beat me to the joke, and parent beat me to complaining about being beaten to ):

      Wow, your whole family must read Slashdot.

    13. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orc.

    14. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh...meta humor...the last resort of the karma whore.

      Well, almost...I could've posted this non-AC ;-P

    15. Re:Not the first Bill ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if I prefer Bill burned at the stake, or simply hung by the neck until dead...

      Hanged, not hung. Meat is hung, people are hanged.

      Ahh... I see what you're getting at. Subtle.

  3. Commander? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh dear lord... what's he in charge of? More importantly does this affect his borg status at all?

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    1. Re:Commander? by Steve+B · · Score: 4, Funny
      does this affect his borg status

      That's Sir Borg to you, peasant!

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    2. Re:Commander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Now he is one of the Borgs of the round table.

    3. Re:Commander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, he can't call himself sir

    4. Re:Commander? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      No, only Borg kbe, yanks can't be Sir. only Brits and our pose (the commonwealth) can be sir.

  4. How much does it take? by ChaosCube · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, exactly how much money does one need in order to be called "Sir"?

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    1. Re:How much does it take? by fww125 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Microsoft have more money than most countries?

    2. Re:How much does it take? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dunno; ask Elton John. I heard he's pretty wicked with a joust, too.

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    3. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on WHO calls you sir, and why.

      Heck, I get it all the time with my whopper.

    4. Re:How much does it take? by ajs · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't buy such an honor because it's impossible to attain (at least for Bill). I'm not sure if naturalized citizens of GB can be called "Sir", but you can't be knighted at all if you're an American (or any other nationality) like Bill. As the article stated, you can be given an honorary title, but it's not the same thing at all. It pretty much just means that you've been honored by the crown.

    5. Re:How much does it take? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      None. You need to be a British subject to get "Sir". Non subjects can be inducted into the order, but do not get the title, based on what I recall from Tom Clancy's Patriot Games.

    6. Re:How much does it take? by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      I'll call you "Sir" for fifty bucks. :D

    7. Re:How much does it take? by Zerbey · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need money, you need to be a British Citizen, or Subject. Bill can't call himself Sir because he's an American Citizen. According to the Declaration of Independence, in America all men are created equal so nobody can have titles.

      If Bill wanted to become Sir Bill he'd have to give up his US Citizenship and become a British Citizen.

      This the same reason why you never see Anthony Hopkins credited as "Sir Anthony" in US films.

    8. Re:How much does it take? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Informative

      A US citizen cannot accept a foreign title without the express permission of Congress.

      US Constitution - Article I - Section 9 - Clause 8

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    9. Re:How much does it take? by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Informative
      but you can't be knighted at all if you're an American (or any other nationality) like Bill.

      Actually, you can be knighted if you're from another nationality, just not American. As long as you're from a country that is in the Commonwealth, you can be knighted. For some reason the United States aren't part of it, so Americans can't be knighted, not that it means much anyway...

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    10. Re:How much does it take? by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't Microsoft have more money than most countries?

      Not sure how to analyze that. But here's one way. Microsofts revenues for 2004 were 38.47 Billion. Here is a link by the CIA for revenues for governments.

      Unfortunately, it isn't in any order other than alphabetical. They do have more revenue than some Governments. Note Countries!=Governments.

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    11. Re:How much does it take? by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, if you subsequently become a citizen of GB, you are upgraded to full Knight status. I dunno what the citizenry requirements are like, but I'd assume they're like ours; live there for so many years and you become a naturalized citizen.

      Whellp, time for Redmond to pick up off of Washington state and hover over to GB..

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    12. Re:How much does it take? by trewornan · · Score: 1

      A British knighthood is the best money can buy.

    13. Re:How much does it take? by ajs · · Score: 1

      I'd assume they're like ours; live there for so many years and you become a naturalized citizen.

      I know a few legal aliens who would love to know when you found that loop-hole! Citizenship in the US is much harder to attain than that.

    14. Re:How much does it take? by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Funny

      "For some reason the United States aren't part of it"

      Might have something to do with that little disagreement we had with the British a couple hundred years ago...

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    15. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, I'll do it for a mere $6.99 (gotta love that number...;-))

    16. Re:How much does it take? by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 1

      We should revoke his citizenship.

      Personally I think accepting titles from anyone is contrary to the principles in the constitution, and if they offered one to me (not that they would!) I'd refuse.

    17. Re:How much does it take? by FourStarGeneral · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, in Patriot Games, Jack Ryan was considered to be a knight by the British; his title was honorary only according to United States law. The crown and the citizens of Britain accorded him all the respect given to other knights, such as Chester Nimitz.

      Of course, Ryan saved the life of the Prince of Wales, which is a much more heroic deed than anything Bill has ever done.

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    18. Re:How much does it take? by mcheu · · Score: 1

      Enough to buy your way past British immigration and obtain British citizenship. Only British citizens gain the title of "Sir". Gates is a foreigner, so while he may be granted the award, he can't be granted the title. That's why it's honourary.

    19. Re:How much does it take? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It's an honorary title. He cannot use "Sir", and my understanding is that if a US citizen does accept a real foreign title, he automatically loses his citizenship (don't hold me to that, but that's what I understand). There are many US citizens who have such honorary bestowments, but they're more like low-budget Congressional Medals of Honor.

      I'm not precisely sure how that works with higher-ranking Roman Catholic clerics like Bishops and Cardinals, who do, in a way, hold a foreign title, but I suppose the separation of church and state means Congress can't have much to say on the matter.

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    20. Re:How much does it take? by Taladar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't see the OP mentioning the U.S. anywhere in that sentence. Typical U.S. citizen to assume everyone means U.S. Laws when talking about "our" laws.

    21. Re:How much does it take? by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Informative

      Okay, if you want to be anal about it, yes, it does require more:
      The requirements for naturalization past the continuous citizenship are:
      residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing for citizenship;
      an ability to read, write, and speak English;
      a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
      good moral character;
      attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution;
      and, favorable disposition toward the United States.

      More information on how to obtain US citizenship is available Here.

      It is sad that it requires more work to become a citizen of America than just living here, but basically, if you've lived and worked here for long enough, know enough about the government, have moral decency, and are fluent in the ~unofficial~ primary language of the United States, then getting your citizenship is as trivial as filling out some paperwork, taking a test, and an oath.

      If you're a poor immigrant, yes, it is much harder, but if you've been living here for long enough to attain citizenship, you've probably been working, have a load of cash somewhere, or someone to bankroll you (a college, for example), and THEY are willing to go the distance to help you become a citizen... Don't make it seem like it's next to impossible.

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    22. Re:How much does it take? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      A US citizen cannot accept a foreign title without the express permission of Congress

      Nope, people who hold government offices, whether elected, appointed, or just hired, aren't allowed to receive foreign awards without Congress' permission.

      If you're a private citizen you can.

    23. Re:How much does it take? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      Well, it's not like it's any less arrogant to assume everyone's in the same country as you when you say "our". Especially when it's not clear from one's post, E-Mail address, or the URL for whatever web-site the person has in their little header thing. It's not like /. is wholely populated by Europeans (or Asians, or South Americans, or Australians, or Canadians) either.

      Pot, meet kettle.

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    24. Re:How much does it take? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative
      As long as you're from a country that is in the Commonwealth, you can be knighted. For some reason the United States aren't part of it, so Americans can't be knighted, not that it means much anyway...

      Not to sound like a smartass (ok, yes I am), but since the U.S. isn't part of the Commonwealth then obviously Americans can't be knighted.

      However, there are other reasons why U.S. citizens cannot be formally knighted (as opposed to honorarily like Bill). Please see this link which talks a bit about nobility in America and why it is not granted and why people wanting to be naturalized citizens must renounce titles of nobility, and this link which talks about the missing Thirteenth Amendment.

      The last link (a very long read) mentions something which goes to the crux of why Americans cannot be formally knighted: to do so would mean they would have to answer to a foreign ruler. In the current case there is no expectation that Bill, or anyone who receives an honorary knighthood, will owe allegiance to the crown.

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    25. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's also great at boffing, most likely. Sex too.

    26. Re:How much does it take? by caluml · · Score: 1
      If Bill wanted to become Sir Bill he'd have to give up his US Citizenship and become a British Citizen.

      I wonder, if that was to happen, what would happen to the relative GDPs of the US and the UK if he moved all his personal wealth from the US to the UK.

    27. Re:How much does it take? by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 0

      Yes, typical U.S. citizen browsing a site that's based in and mostly about the U.S.

      I know America tends to be self centered, but /. IS based in and primarily about America...do you bitch and whine whenever we refer to 'the law' instead of 'U.S. law' in YRO?

      Typical non-U.S. citizen bitching about how the U.S. are a bunch of $insult.

    28. Re:How much does it take? by amper · · Score: 1

      According to the Declaration of Independence, in America all men are created equal so nobody can have titles.

      Oh that's right...it does only say "men"...

      Well then, that explains my wife's title of Her Imperial Dreadfulness...

    29. Re:How much does it take? by yoyhed · · Score: 1
      Whellp, time for Redmond to pick up off of Washington state and hover over to GB..

      But how will they get their Siege Tanks over there?!

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    30. Re:How much does it take? by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a consideration that most Slashdot readers are American, and that Slashdot is hosted by an American, and that Slashdot was created by an American, it's quite easy to assume that "our" would mean "American". Now, if you're NOT an American on Slashdot, then you probably should read a bit more carefully, because there are hundreds of these subtleties that we Americans use every day, and that people who are not American also use to indicate people of their citizenship, whatever that may be.

      Communication boundries aside, if you understand the context of the sentence, then there's no reason to get hostile about it. Slashdot is a forum of open communication and what should be a common area for discussion about technology and how it affects us. Too much lately it's a bashfest for whoever can bash the most. It's time for Slashdot readers to grow up..

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    31. Re:How much does it take? by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

      It's called the Constitution. It prohibits americans from accepting it. It's not that it can't be confered, but he can't take it the title. I don't suppose there would be anything wrong with him being 'Sir Bill' anywhere else.

    32. Re:How much does it take? by UES · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, the United States Constitution specifically prohibits U.S. Citizens from accepting titles of nobility or similar honors, as well as prohibiting the creation of American titles of nobility.

      The relevant portion is:

      [Article One, Section Nine]

      "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."

      IANACS (I am not a consitutional scholar), but even though Gates does not hold public office, accepting entrance into the British Peerage would create a citizenship question- if he was, for example, Baron Redmond, he would have to swear allegiance to the Soverign, Queen Elizabeth. U.S. Citizens swear allegiance to the Constitution of the U.S. (the exact words are "preserve, protect, and defend"; in Military entrance ceremonies, Naturalization events, etc. Yes, the President of the US says the exact same thing in his inaugural ceremony) and SPECIFICALLY state that they will not obey a foreign royal. It's an implied condition of natural-born citizens.

      However, there are no problems at all in accepting a medal or honorary title. General Eisenhower had medals a'plenty from monarchies after WWII.

      If he were a British SUBJECT, once he swears allegiance to Liz the Deuce he would fit naturally into the British system and get his full Knighthood.

    33. Re:How much does it take? by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      The better question is "Why would they want to?". M$'s siege weaponry's doing a tremendously awesome job at eroding away our government as is, now's just their time to go worldwide with their destruction.

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    34. Re:How much does it take? by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's what we need more of of Slashdot, people presenting their arguments and backing them up with references to authoritative sources.

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    35. Re:How much does it take? by Grax · · Score: 1

      If Mr Gates gave me $1 million I would refer to him as 'sir' all he wanted.

      If he gave me $200, I would refer to him as 'sir' several times.

      Those are my prices.

      Personally I think we should knight Ed McMahon and start referring to him as Sir Prize.

    36. Re:How much does it take? by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It is sad that it requires more work to become a citizen of America than just living here

      No, it's sad that we don't strip citizenship from and deport the vast majority of our citizens who couldn't become citizens if they weren't born here. The requirements to become a citizen are an affirmation of the principle that democracy doesn't work when the people know nothing about their government and couldn't care less how it's run. Now if only our education system was still based on the same principle, our elections might become something more than a popularity contest.

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    37. Re:How much does it take? by foobsr · · Score: 1

      38.47 Billion

      Poland: revenues: $39.13 billion

      They do have more revenue than some Governments.

      A lot of.

      CC.

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    38. Re:How much does it take? by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Nothing. Per capita wealth might change, but the GDP has nothing to do with how much wealth a nation's inhabitants have.

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    39. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're on a predominantly American website on a network invented by Americans where the infrastructure is still largely in America. It is therefore a reasonable assumption to assume American context unless another is defined explicitly. If we were talking across a table in France I would assume you were talking about French matters unless you specified otherwise, in Australia I would assume you meant Australian matters. Quit acting like an idiot unless you really want people to see you as one.

    40. Re:How much does it take? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Well I would posit that referencing Clancy is certainly better than no reference at all. Furthermore, if you have ever read any of Clancy's fiction or non-fiction, you would know that he does a vast amount of research. It doesn't help that I mis-remembered the book (and the Constitution..). After The Hunt for Red October was released, the CIA brought him in for a debriefing because of some of the information that was in the book.

    41. Re:How much does it take? by Grax · · Score: 1

      The problem there is that the Vatican is a state.

    42. Re:How much does it take? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Personally I think accepting titles from anyone is contrary to the principles in the constitution

      Why is that? I hope you also realize that the way you have phrased this, it means you would not call yourself Dr. Rotundo, Rev. Rotundo, etc., as the circumstances warranted.

    43. Re:How much does it take? by kernelfoobar · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to see that only 3 coutries have revenues of more that a trillion : US, Germany and Japan. All of which where the biggest players in WWII.

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    44. Re:How much does it take? by ajs · · Score: 1

      This is a US site. When you mention your country collectively rather than directly, I am left to assume you are talking about the US by default.

      Don't be pointlessly pedandtic. Obviously if the original poster meant The Duchy of Grand Fenwick, then he should have said so.

    45. Re:How much does it take? by chrisbtoo · · Score: 1

      I dunno what the citizenry requirements are like, but I'd assume they're like ours; live there for so many years and you become a naturalized citizen.

      Nope.

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    46. Re:How much does it take? by yoyhed · · Score: 1

      I guess no one got the Starcraft reference :-/

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    47. Re:How much does it take? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to see that only 3 coutries have revenues of more that a trillion : US, Germany and Japan. All of which where the biggest players in WWII.

      Agreed, but a better number might be spending per capita. You'd expect bigger countries to spend more. Hmm... I'm going to have to calculate that out now.

      Also, the figures for some of those countries aren't directly comprable. China has it's currency tied to the dollar (fixed trade ratio) instead of floating it (letting the market decide the exchange rate) like most countries do. This is believed to have caused their currency to be undervalued. (Encouraging exports, discouraging imports). So given the turn the dollar has made, and the belief about the Chinese Won, they probably spend more than it looks like.

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    48. Re:How much does it take? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates recieving such an honour by riding the coat-tails of an entire corporation does seem to dilute the prestige of the honor a bit doesn't it. Especialy considering they left Alan Turing to rot amidst charges of homosexuality, after doing as much as any single person to save the world as we know it, and basicaly founding the very industry gates was honored for advancing.

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    49. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow up?

      Do we have to?

    50. Re:How much does it take? by QMO · · Score: 1

      If only the dialog, plotting, characterization, and editing hadn't deteriorated greatly after a few of his books were successful.

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    51. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that isnt a homosexual enuendo is it?

    52. Re:How much does it take? by secolactico · · Score: 1

      A US citizen cannot accept a foreign title without the express permission of Congress.

      Actually, that only applies to U.S. citizens "holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them".

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    53. Re:How much does it take? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Very true.

    54. Re:How much does it take? by koreaman · · Score: 1

      He would not call himself Captain either...

    55. Re:How much does it take? by Gonoff · · Score: 2, Funny

      you never see Anthony Hopkins credited as "Sir Anthony" in US films

      I have always considered that ommission was just a sign of poor manners and arrogance...

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    56. Re:How much does it take? by secolactico · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This the same reason why you never see Anthony Hopkins credited as "Sir Anthony" in US films.

      I tought Antony Hopkins' knighthood was revoked when he became a U.S. citizen. It was a minor scandal a couple of years back.

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    57. Re:How much does it take? by festers · · Score: 1

      Too much lately it's a bashfest for whoever can bash the most. It's time for Slashdot readers to grow up..

      Lately? It's been that way for as long as I can remember. (nearly 5 years)

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    58. Re:How much does it take? by jamiethehutt · · Score: 1

      Not to sound like a smartass (ok, yes I am), but since the U.S. isn't part of the Commonwealth then obviously Americans can't be knighted.

      Americans can be knighted, but Bill can't call himself Sir Gates unless he changes his nationally to one in the commonwealth.

      /smartass :-D

    59. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would hate to live in a country where your very natural born-heritage could be revoked because the government disagreed with you. Putting people in prison? Fine. Fining them money? Fine. But it would be very very bad to live in a country that would deport a natural born citizen. Where would they go?

    60. Re:How much does it take? by DarthStrydre · · Score: 1

      Oh, we got it. WE just did not want to admit that we got it.

    61. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you mean that little Insurrectionist Scuffle where you got the French Navy and German Cavalry to fight your battles for you?

      Funny how you weren't so tough once Nelson and Wellington took care of your big friends... Britain kicked your arse all the way back into your own country and burned your precious White House to the ground.

    62. Re:How much does it take? by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      The Declaration of Independence is not part of our constitution and has no role in our government.

    63. Re:How much does it take? by Daveznet · · Score: 1

      Its sad when Bill Gates and Elton John are knights. The knights of the medieval times must be rolling in their graves!

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    64. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats if their mummies and daddies didn't also pay the crown for such favours...

    65. Re:How much does it take? by snilloc · · Score: 1
      ...Liz the Deuce...

      HA! Love it.

    66. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awwww...do we have to?!

    67. Re:How much does it take? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      As long as you're from a country that is in the Commonwealth, you can be knighted

      As long as your Government agrees. Australians stopped getting knighthoods some time ago. We have a separate honours system.

    68. Re:How much does it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, many countries have had "disagreements" with Britain and are still part of the Commonwealth.

      India had a particularly "heated discussion" mid-20th century and are still part of the Commonwealth. (You may have seen the film).

      Zimbabwe are still very bitter, but I can't remember if they have been asked to leave the Commonwealth yet.

      So the parent has a valid point. America is (probably) the only country Britain has owned that is not interested in being part of the Commonwealth.

  5. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I swear he received this like a year or two ago.

    AHA!

    and I was not wrong.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3428673.stm

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that says "to be knighted". He didn't receive it back then. He's about to now.

    2. Re:WTF? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Informative

      from your link:

      The entrepreneur will be presented with the Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire at a "mutually convenient" date

      I guess today's slashdot story is about the mutually convenient date.

    3. Re:WTF? by szlevente · · Score: 1

      "When it was announced last year that Gates was to be knighted, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw paid tribute to him." Reuters

    4. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      So when does Linus get knighted?

      "We are the knights that say... 'free'"

    5. Re:WTF? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Auspicious timing? Sort of taking attention away from the fiasco of th "royal wedding of Dumbo (Prince Chucklehead to the rest of us) and the bride-to-be, dubbed by the British press as "The Bulldog" for her, um, looks, (and because you just can't print "Bitch" in that context).

      They couldn't get married in the castle. So it was plan B - get married in another buiding - oops, also illegal if you're a "Royal" - so off to Scotland.

      It's amazing who those overly-inbred "royals" consider worthy of honour nowadays. A couple of centuries ago, he'd have been "transported" to Australia for the damage his softwarez has done.

      [tt]

    6. Re:WTF? by Aspirator · · Score: 1

      The Palace offers a knighthood and it takes Bill over a year to fit it into his diary?

    7. Re:WTF? by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Think of Bill Gates as "Long Shanks" and Linus as William Wallace.

    8. Re:WTF? by UserGoogol · · Score: 5, Funny

      ARTHUR: O Knights of Free, we have brought you your shrubbery. May we go now?

      HEAD KNIGHT: It is a good shrubbery. I like the laurels particularly,... but there is one small problem.

      ARTHUR: What is that?

      HEAD KNIGHT: We are now... no longer the Knights Who Say 'Free'.

      KNIGHTS OF NI: Free! Shh!

      HEAD KNIGHT: Shh! We are now the Knights Who Say 'GNU/OpenKXEckySlashBangColonWhimpleDotCoDotUK++'.

      ARTHUR: Not dotcom or dotorg?

      HEAD KNIGHT: Of course not! We're British!

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    9. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Auspicious timing? Sort of taking attention away from the fiasco of th "royal wedding of Dumbo (Prince Chucklehead to the rest of us) yes god forbid that the nerds get displeased about the illegal marrige of the price... queen : we need a way to stop these nerds complaining about your marige charles charles : hmm i agree they can be a dangerous bunch. queen : what do you think we should do to keep them distracted? charles : i know were knight bill gates that will get them really pissed off and they wont even be able to focuss on my illegal wedding.. queen : good idea charles lets have some tea

    10. Re:WTF? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
      Tribute? In the form of obiescence,

      or gold bullion?

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    11. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. HTML would like a word with you in his office, ASAP.

    12. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are off toe Scotland to get married, then they aren't married in England which may mean Charles is happy with the idea of never being king. The interesting thing is that it now opens up the question that any of his descendants are eligible too. After this mess, there are others that have a better right for the queen. There are even Americans with a stronger blood line claim to the thrown. I don't think the crown protector will allow this to continue.

      I'm betting the Commilla won't live long enough to threaten the crown. If any of the conspiracy theories about Di are true, part 2 will be showing up on TV's soon.

    13. Re:WTF? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Never thought about the blood line thing ... However, it's already been stated that Camilla will not be in line for the throne, and she won't be known as Princess whatever - she'll be a "royal consort" (sounds dirty - chuckles must love it ...)

      They should make being king or queen the result of a lottery - at least then they'd be able to say they've got a winner as head of state.

    14. Re:WTF? by Trepalium · · Score: 1
      Tribute... Maybe. Everything in that quote was completely true, but wether it was a tribute or not depends on how it was meant. Read it again, and assume the negative.

      "(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
      Gates is undeniably one of the most important people in the world currently. Microsoft's technology has most definately changed business practices (witness the birth of anti-virus, anti-spyware, and spyware companies). And the impact it has had on the British economy is clear -- loads of money funnelled into Redmond.
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  6. Are you serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    April fools is in one month.

  7. I dub thee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir William H. Gates the Third!

    (If anybody in the software industry deserves a knighthood, I'd think it would be Linus).

    1. Re:I dub thee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what exactly did Linus do to deserve it?

      If anyone from the open source community, it should be Richard Stallman.

      Linus is a fucking doll compared to him.

    2. Re:I dub thee... by menkhaura · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linus is not quite a doll, compared to anyone; he is a leader. However, I agree with you in that Stallman deserves more, as he has done more than Linus or anyone else for the Free Software.

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    3. Re:I dub thee... by iamacat · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. Under feudal system, peasants do all the labor and their lords do nothing but claim title to other people's work and give vague promises of protection from various villains. Yet how many peasants have been granted knighthood? Giving knighthood to Bill, Steve and Richard and leaving out Linus and Woz would be fully in keeping with ancient british tradition.

    4. Re:I dub thee... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      But Stallman's already a saint...

  8. Pah.... by Lovepump · · Score: 5, Funny

    Almost all of us Brits have that title. It's handed down from father to son, in the same way the family bible would be.

    We all live in castles too.

    When does mc chris get is knighthood?

    1. Re:Pah.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whew! thats a relief, now knighthood does not sound so special, kind of like "Oh, you have Geico too".

    2. Re:Pah.... by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      My Uncle got a knighthood, FFS. The royals hand them out like after-dinner mints!!

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    3. Re:Pah.... by identity0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hah! In honor of this occasion, I shall make a rap song, to the tune of mc chris's "Fette's Vette":

      "Runtime exception, In windows explorer

      Hit ctrl-alt-del to restart your session

      Problem has stumped nerdy computer geeks,
      even if they thought they was leet!

      Reformat!
      C: fried!
      Hackers gettin past your firewall, no sweat!

      They gotta have your boxxor to roxxor with botnets

      My Name is The Gates;
      My bank account got yo checks;
      I monopolize for Melinda Gates, to pay off Viagra debts."

      Okay, I gotta go get lunch. Someone else finish this : )

    4. Re:Pah.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you eddie.

  9. Her Majesty runs RedHat though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her Majesty runs RedHat though - we should get her to cut his head off.

    1. Re:Her Majesty runs RedHat though by Epsillon · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, she doesn't. She runs IIS-5.0 and has done since 2001. Sadly.

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  10. Does this mean... by KiltedKnight · · Score: 3, Funny
    ... that in two years he has to go back to have it upgraded?

    Honestly, this is old news. I remember the story being out there over a year ago.

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    1. Re:Does this mean... by kryogen1x · · Score: 1

      Knighthood SP2 man.

    2. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but the real story this time around is that he also gets to be the dupe of earl.

    3. Re:Does this mean... by NerdConspiracy · · Score: 1

      He become eligible for an upgrade once he slays a dragon.

    4. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... that in two years he has to go back to have it upgraded?

      He'll be successfully attacked before he has time to put on armor.

  11. The commander's coat of arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Blue Shield of Death.

    1. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      So when Linux users get to put blue paint on their faces and fight for their free software?

      "FREEDOM!!!!"

    2. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      ...with two dollar signs argent.

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    3. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by spammacus · · Score: 1

      Two dollar signs rampant, rather.

    4. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

      The Blue Shield Of Death

      With viruses and worms rampant Sirrah !

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    5. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      M------^------M
      l l l
      l 640K l (C) l
      l l l
      l------l------l
      l l l
      l $$$ l GPF l
      \ l /
      \ l /
      \ l /
      V

    6. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needs to have some holes in it too

    7. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      where've you been, Stallman's been doing that since 1985!

    8. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 1

      is it just me or did anyone else also read it as "bull shit of death"?

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    9. Re:The commander's coat of arms... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      Good call, but not rather, say additionally -- two dollar signs rampant argent. We have to recall the white lettering of the BSOD. :)

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  12. oops! Off with your head! by sjrstory · · Score: 1

    Maybe the sword will slip! Hey the Queen is getting old! :)

    1. Re:oops! Off with your head! by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Maybe clippy will be replaced with swordy...

      "It looks like you're approaching Bill Gates with a sword. Would you like to:

      Stab through his heart?
      Slice off his ear?
      Lop off his head?"

    2. Re:oops! Off with your head! by SunPin · · Score: 1

      Why do assclowns like you continue to suggest injury and malice for Bill Gates? First, he has not physically injured anybody. Second, just chill out. Nobody is stopping you from using Linux. In fact, SuSE 9.2 is a superb distribution with tons of drivers for all your equipment.

      Yes, Billion Dollar Bill (TM) does some annoying things through Microsoft but exactly what qualifies as deserving an accidental slice from a sword? I don't find violence funny in the least. Grow up.

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    3. Re:oops! Off with your head! by cranky_slacker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      someone's a little cranky today....

  13. Great! I'm a big Bill Gates fan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you think it would be possible for me to do this sword thing?

    Where do I apply?

  14. Next up for the XBOX2 by Crim-Prof · · Score: 5, Funny

    Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire or KCOTMEOOTBE

    1. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by macaulay805 · · Score: 1

      Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire or KCOTMEOOTBE

      Or Knights of the Old Republic - British Empire Edition

    2. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grand Wizard and Imperial Poobah of the Ku Klux Klan!

    3. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by zev1983 · · Score: 1

      I think that acronym might actually be the name of an obscure African tribe...

    4. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by panth0r · · Score: 1

      Actually, "of" and "the" should not be included in the acrynym... it'd be KCMEOBE

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    5. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by Crim-Prof · · Score: 1

      So KOTOR is now simply known as KOR.

    6. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      Knight Commander...

      Shouldn't that be Midnight Commander? Oh, I guess that would be the title that Linus would get.

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    7. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      ...or a linux distribution.

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    8. Re:Next up for the XBOX2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, KOR is Kimagure Orange Road... Find your own damned acronym!

  15. After Elton John... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess they'll let anyone become a British knight...

    1. Re:After Elton John... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Informative

      But if you're a Canadian, you might have to renounce your citizenship to get peerage from the UK...

    2. Re:After Elton John... by tlpalmer · · Score: 1

      A peerage is a seat in the house of lords, not a knighthood.

    3. Re:After Elton John... by spammacus · · Score: 1

      Only if Jean Chretien doesn't like you ;)

  16. Most Excellent Knighthood, Bill!! by Xcott+Craver · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ted, while I agree that in time our band will be most triumphant, Wyld Stallions will never be a super band without Eddie Van Halen on guitar.

    Yes Bill, but: I believe we will not get Eddie Van Halen until we have a triumphant video.

    Ted, It's pointless to have a triumphant video when we don't even have any decent instruments.

    But how can we have decent instruments when we don't know how to play?

    That is why we need Eddie Van Halen.

    And that is why we need a triumphant video.

    Excellent!

    1. Re:Most Excellent Knighthood, Bill!! by gotem · · Score: 1

      take them to the Iron Maiden

  17. MOD PARENT UP!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This is *not* and I do mean *not* a troll. At least this reply was funny!

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP!!!!!! by Cycloid+Torus · · Score: 0

      Totally, but my Karma is already bad because of an apparent lack of the necessary - sense of humor that is...

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    2. Re:MOD PARENT UP!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon garcia, stop your incessant whining about how your blather gets moderated. Grow up, deal with it, and move on to your next pointless comment. We can do without your astroturfing self-support, although there certainly are enough mods dumb enough to buy it.

  18. Crusade Against Open Source by ween14 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, Microsoft will be able to have an official launch of their Crusade against Open Source. The Open Source heretics must die, and Bill Gates will lead the army to do it.

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  19. Cheap! by Drexus · · Score: 1

    After Bill, Elton John, ... my dog has to be next!

    What ever happened to the prerequisites needed for such a title? When was the last time a Mr. Nobody received the same? - Do you only need to be super public/famous/popular? ... oh ya.. money.

    1. Re:Cheap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this has changed how ,Knighthoods were classicaly given to people who donated to the crown, as opposed to the romaticised version of nobel good men .

    2. Re:Cheap! by bob670 · · Score: 1

      Great, this means Paris Hilton is next? Or is it the next guy who does Paris Hilton?

    3. Re:Cheap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next guy .. with money... you forgot the money part. (leaves out a lot of her customers)

  20. Return to sender by Alexander+Rubio · · Score: 1

    When the Beatles got their shiny trinkets alot of the old guard threatened to send theirs back. I guess it'd be to much to hope for but the sound of metal in the queen's mail-box would be more appropriate today.

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    1. Re:Return to sender by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      I love the Beatles' response to that.

      A lot of the old guard were soldiers and other army men, who had won their awards for gallentry. The Beatles responded, "They won their knighthoods for killing people. We won ours for entertaining people. We think we deserve it more."

    2. Re:Return to sender by hung_himself · · Score: 1

      I remember that John returned his MBE - in protest of some politics he didn't agree with and his song "Cold Turkey" dropping on the charts...

      Seem to recall that George may have returned his at some point too but I can't be sure...

    3. Re:Return to sender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When the Beatles got their shiny trinkets alot of the old guard threatened to send theirs back."

      It might have made a more compelling statement had they actually followed through on their threat. Or gone further, such as to prevail upon the Parliament to dissolve the Monarchy, or something meaningful like that.

    4. Re:Return to sender by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "They won their knighthoods for killing people."

      Yeah, defending you from the Germans while you were still stuck to your mother's teat, you guitar-strumming asshat.

    5. Re:Return to sender by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      Another way to look at it: "They won their knighthoods for defending their country."

      I am not a soldier, but I'm sure I would absolutely hate killing people in a time of war. But I would do it to see my wife safe.

      All the beatles did was get on stage and act like a bunch of Monkeys...

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    6. Re:Return to sender by spewey · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was the Monkees that got on stage and acted like the Beatles.

  21. So, Does He Then Get to Pay Taxes Over There? by Cycloid+Torus · · Score: 0

    Just wondering...

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  22. Dupe... by Epsillon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...of the year. From 13 months ago, if memory serves me correctly. Yup, thought so.

    So we're into recycling now?

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    1. Re:Dupe... by daeg · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has finally mastered the art of electronic paper recycling. This is just a demonstration of the technology to the investors.

      "See the recycle bin?" he asked while pointing as his desktop. "Yep, I do." "Does someone come around and empty it so I get the diskspace back?"

    2. Re:Dupe... by redphive · · Score: 1

      nyet, from the Feb 26, 2004 article:

      He will be collecting his gong from the Queen at Buckingham Palace at a "mutually convenient" time for him and Her Majesty's Government. ®

      Looks like that mutually convenient time, is now.

    3. Re:Dupe... by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      It's not a dupe, it was first announced (now) - x days/weeks/months/years ago where x is some unspecified ammount of time. Now this story has to do with the time specified in the article beforehand, in which billy would officially become a knight or something, is at hand. Mod parent -1 redundant.

    4. Re:Dupe... by Epsillon · · Score: 1

      Aye, I suppose they've got to fill the guest-list for Charlie's wedding to his horse somehow... ;-)

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  23. To celebrate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To celebrate Bill Gates will tour Linux conventions and command: 'Kneel for your overlord!'.

  24. Absolutely disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously the Queen has never used Windows and has no clue at all about Gates and Microsoft.

    1. Re:Absolutely disgusting by Skye16 · · Score: 1

      What is there to know about Gates? That he gave $23 Billion dollars to charity? I'm pretty sure that matters a fuck of a lot more than inconvenience at having to deal with people using the buggy product of a monopoly. Do I like Microsoft's business practices? Hell no. Do I think Bill Gates is a pompous ass at times? Definitely. But I also deeply respect him for doing so much to help others. I can only hope that, if I had that much money, I would be caring enough to do the same, instead of purchasing my own island chain and setting up my own country.

    2. Re:Absolutely disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really are a gullible idiot

  25. House of Lords by bitswapper · · Score: 3, Funny


    Does he become a full member of the House of Lords?

    Can I challenge him to a jousting match? I'll even let him choose the OS his mechanical horse runs...

    1. Re:House of Lords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um, no, because it's a knighthood not a peerage.

    2. Re:House of Lords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does he become a full member of the House of Lords?

      No, he's a foreigner.

      Can I challenge him to a jousting match?

      Who gives a fsck?

    3. Re:House of Lords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No. He's a knight, not a lord.

      No. But I can't give you a good reason

    4. Re:House of Lords by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Um, no, because it's a knighthood not a peerage.
      Which is a pity, because peerages are usually, if not always, in the form [Lord|Baroness|$TITLE] $NAME of $PLACE, and we could have endless fun thinking of the possibilities.
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    5. Re:House of Lords by agraupe · · Score: 1

      I believe Conrad Black, a Canadian media mogul, gave up his Canadian citizenship to become a British lord, so it isn't out of the question.

  26. Sir Gates to the rescue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the Government's systems are broken once again Her Majesty's loyal knight is the only one that can rescue the Kingdom from total collapse.

  27. Well.... by acidrain69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of how we feel about Microsoft as a corporation and Bill Gates as a ruthless evil business-demon, he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. I don't know if he is deserving of knighthood. He is a good capitalist, if that is something to be proud of.

    Like the dept tagline says, all it takes is billions of dollars. Knighthood must be hurting for worthy people these days.

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    1. Re:Well.... by lkcl · · Score: 1

      no, it takes more than being a billionaire.

      i know of at least one person whose total finances are not known, but are underestimated to be $0.5bn, who is one of the most evil money-grabbing people who will stop at nothing to make more money that i have ever encountered.

      incredibly, he even used the death of his son to attempt to bargain and negotiate for discounts - including over the price of his son's gravestone.

    2. Re:Well.... by Brian+Blessed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation

      Here's a question:

      If a criminal gives a small proportion of his ill-gotten gains to good causes, does he deserve an award?

      - Brian.

    3. Re:Well.... by AceCaseOR · · Score: 0
      I have to agree. I would say that Bill Gates is a tycoon in he grand tradition of Dale Carnagie. He definatly used unethical tactics to get where he was, but once he got where he did, he chose to do some good too. Bill deserves the knighthood.

      However, I do think he should be knighted An Tir-style (I don't know if this applies to the rest of the SCA), just to see him get a fist to the face.

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    4. Re:Well.... by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      No. I never said he deserved it, in fact, I said I don't think he does. Is the real problem here that he is a criminal, or that the justice department let him off?

      The US is fast becoming a fascist state.

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    5. Re:Well.... by chris_mahan · · Score: 0, Troll

      If I stole 50 billion dollars from the American Public by lying and cheating and fudding and monopolizing and embrace-and-extending, and then gave 10 billion to starving children in Africa, keeping the rest mind you, would I too be awarded the KBE?

      Microsoft broke the law, Bill Gates profited, and now is being rewarded.

      We're seeing the last thrashing about of British royalty. What's next? The prince with a swastika? Oh, been there done that.

      The French and the American had it right all along: "No King over us!"

      If Gates had any balls he would refuse it on grounds that as an American Citizen, he does not indebt himself to foreign potentates.

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    6. Re:Well.... by Wylfing · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Regardless of how we feel about Microsoft as a corporation and Bill Gates as a ruthless evil business-demon, he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

      You mean he's done something more wonderful than what could have been done if all those billions had not been siphoned out of the economy? This is the "breaking windows creates profit" line of thinking. It's total crap. How about not ripping people off in the first place? Coercing people to give you $40 billion and then giving $10 million back is not charity.

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    7. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

      Ha. You should know better than to say anything nice about his Billness.

    8. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What has Bill Gates been convicted of?

    9. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      No. I never said he deserved it, in fact, I said I don't think he does. Is the real problem here that he is a criminal, or that the justice department let him off?

      I'm not sure if whether or not he is (found to be) a criminal matters a lot in this case. I am inclined to say that *my* personal opinion is that Bill's business practices are exceptionally unethical and doing some good things whiles continuing to be unethical doesn't get him off the hook. Note that you can be unethical without being a criminal and you can be a criminal without being unethical so I'm not sure that the justice department's decision is relevent in this case.

      The judgement of how ethical someone is varies from person to person, but my *personal* opinion is that because of the practices I perceive as unethical, I don't believe he should be getting an "award".

      I should also point out that if the UK government hadn't blown massive amounts of money on MS software then maybe they could equal or exceed the amount of money given to charity by Bill.

      (Just my 2 pence worth)

    10. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      He definatly used unethical tactics to get where he was, but once he got where he did, he chose to do some good too. Bill deserves the knighthood.

      Has he done more good than damage? I don't believe so.

      If you go and make your fortune by destroying thousands of other people's businesses by unethical abuses of your position and then give away a fraction of that money to charity, should you be rewarded? I'd say not.

    11. Re:Well.... by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      So, a person that steals, but doesnt get caught, or gets let off is not a criminal?

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    12. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try $20 billion you stupid fucking moron. Before you fly off the handle in righteous indignation based on hyberbole and rampant groupthink, you should probably attempt to try and inform yourself. Additionally, to compare Microsoft earnings to your earnings is fucking stupid. Microsoft is a business, they have enormous amounts of cash flowing out into the economy. However much you'd like to think that anything microsoft touches is automatically a failure and a money pit, the truth is that Microsoft products enable a lot of business endevours and increase productivity. God you are so stupid, you ignorant cretin.

    13. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates is not a criminal he is just a LOT smarter than you are and that gripes your ass. Get over it.

    14. Re:Well.... by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

      No, but you get one hell of a tax write-off! FOR INSTANCE: I'm a small time bank robber and I suddenly have 2 grand where it wasn't before - now lets say I'm not greedy and I give it away to a local charity or church - funny or not - I can still claim tax credits on that donation against my taxable income even though I never really EARNED it.

    15. Re:Well.... by garcia · · Score: 1

      In addition to his Honorary Convicted Monopolist award he should also receive the Honorary Money Laundering award.

    16. Re:Well.... by gahzinia · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does the name "Robin Hood" ring a bell?

    17. Re:Well.... by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      If you go and make your fortune by destroying thousands of other people's businesses by unethical abuses of your position and then give away a fraction of that money to charity, should you be rewarded? I'd say not.

      Do some research on some of the Railroad robber barons of the late 19th century. They did some really nasty things, but some of them (the ones who did nasty things), also gave lots of money to charity and founded charities and supported the arts and were remembered for that. As I mentioned in a previous post, Dale Carnagie fits into this catagory.

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    18. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      I think you need to look out of your very narrow-minded view of the world. I totally agree on Microsoft being a little rough in some of their business practices, even unethical at times. Still, they are only convicted monopolists, which hardly constitutes a criminal offense.

      The money from the foundation is extremely important for a lot of people, and it does real good for people with AIDS, or starving people, and so on. When you compare the good side to the bad side (a little FUD and bashing of a free operating system), it gets quite ridiculous to claim that he "shouldn't get off the hook". Obviously, we won't go "Oh, now he's a knight, then he can say whatever he want about Linux", but in the big picture very few people care about that issue. On the other hand, many people are (rightfully) concerned about AIDS/HIV and starvation.

      Maybe some of your engagement should be spent on some more important issues?

      I can hardly believe the amount of money ploughed into projects like the stupid Firefox ad in NYT, when charity projects and aid organizations at the same time struggle to keep their head above the water. Some people seem to have problems measuring the relative importance of different issues.

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    19. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Do some research on some of the Railroad robber barons of the late 19th century. They did some really nasty things, but some of them (the ones who did nasty things), also gave lots of money to charity and founded charities and supported the arts and were remembered for that. As I mentioned in a previous post, Dale Carnagie fits into this catagory.

      Just because some bad people have done some good things in the past doesn't make it right.

    20. Re:Well.... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      If I stole 50 billion dollars from the American Public by lying and cheating and fudding and monopolizing and embrace-and-extending,

      No one--including Bill Gates himself--held a gun to your head and made you cough up your money.

      At any point, you could have refused to do it.
      I was blindly giving my money away for years--now I'm running linux.

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    21. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a criminal gives a small proportion of his ill-gotten gains to good causes, does he deserve an award?

      Only if he repented. (wasn't this brought up centuries ago about churches recieving donation money from hookers?)

    22. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1, Informative

      I call bullshit.

      Microsoft hasn't stolen 10 billion dollars from the American public. Some of their business practices were illegal due to being a monopolist, but that was pretty much a technical issue which I doubt Microsoft thought they would be convicted for.

      Gates has obviously profited from some dubious business, but he has also given tons back to the US through taxes, employment, and extending the anglo-american cultural heritage in the western world by keeping the control of the single most important piece of software in the world in the US.

      FUDding and monopolizing may have cost a lot for the US, but having the largest, most important software company in the world in your country is priceless.

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    23. Re:Well.... by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, of course, Annie helps kill billions, wipes out the Jedi, but then decides that he won't kill his own son, and he gets forgiven, so let's cut Bill a little slack. He might install Red Hat one day.

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    24. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robin Hood stole from the evil, not from the consumer.

    25. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      I think you need to look out of your very narrow-minded view of the world. I totally agree on Microsoft being a little rough in some of their business practices, even unethical at times. Still, they are only convicted monopolists, which hardly constitutes a criminal offense.

      Uh.. huh? I think you misread my post - I said that as far as I was concerned in this case it *didn't matter* whether or not they are criminals. In my mind their business practices are unethical and a judge telling me they are/aren't criminals too isn't going to make a lot of difference to my opinion.

      The money from the foundation is extremely important for a lot of people, and it does real good for people with AIDS, or starving people, and so on. When you compare the good side to the bad side

      Yes, he gives money to good causes, which is a good thing.... money he got (and is still getting) through unethical means. I don't see why someone who gets money through unethical means at the expense of other people should get an award for not keeping all of it for themselves. If he actually stopped being unethical then it would certainly add weight to an arguement in his favor since it shows he has seen the error of his ways. But continuing to be unethical shows that this is not the case. Or are we rewarding continuing bad behaviour if some good comes out of it? What kind of an example is that?

      I can hardly believe the amount of money ploughed into projects like the stupid Firefox ad in NYT, when charity projects and aid organizations at the same time struggle to keep their head above the water. Some people seem to have problems measuring the relative importance of different issues.

      I'm sorry, but I think you're incredibly short sighted. Did it ever occur to you that people who support projects like Mozilla also may give to charity?

      By the same token, if you go out to see a film you're diverting funds that you could've spent supporting a charity into a frivolous activity.
      That piece of chocolate cake you bought? you sure as hell don't need the nutricional content in it so why didn't you give that money to a charity instead since it would be more useful to them.
      That time you spent complaining on slashdot about people not having exactly the same world-view as you could probably be better spent helping a charity too...

    26. Re:Well.... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Informative
      Dale Carnegie was not a tycoon of any type.

      You're thinking of Andrew Carnegie.

      In any case, Melinda Gates probably deserves the award a lot more. Without her, Bill most likely would have continued to hoard his money.

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    27. Re:Well.... by Twanfox · · Score: 1

      If charity organizations were rich, everyone would want to be a charity case.

      Ok, that's stretching it a little, but the way people view 'helping others' is sometimes a bit off. Donate a little money, and give'm a gift now and then, and viola! Good has been done. But isn't it better to get them out of whatever bad situation they're in? Isn't it better to impart the importance of financial responsibility to those that can't manage their money? Isn't it better to fix the problem than smooth it over with a little good will and cash?

      For things like AIDS research, that's useful and helpful, but I wonder how well we're doing by having multiple organizations shipping millions to research this thing, and after how long, we still can't cure it, nor can we seem to prevent against it. And what about where that money goes to? How many research facilities do we need working on the problem, and how much duplicated work is being done with this money?

      But then, I come from a twisted world view that says any kind of medicine or treatment for an epidemic should not be controllable by one company, with everyone racing to the prize. It should be publically accessable, patentless, in order to serve the best interests of the people. You get your money from the research, you get your fame, you get ongoing projects as there will always be some major plague to cure. Does it need to be that now you're working to control the health of the population through your patented drugs?

    28. Re:Well.... by Lemmingue · · Score: 1

      Do you really think if Microsoft doesn't get the money (not I'm not saying Microsoft is right or wrong), the companies would say "Oh, I'm using open source software, I'll donate the money of licenses to some foundation". The money would be in another hands, just this.

    29. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      money he got (and is still getting) through unethical means. I don't see why someone who gets money through unethical means at the expense of other people should get an award for not keeping all of it for themselves. If he actually stopped being unethical then it would certainly add weight to an arguement in his favor since it shows he has seen the error of his ways. But continuing to be unethical shows that this is not the case. Or are we rewarding continuing bad behaviour if some good comes out of it? What kind of an example is that?

      All of Microsoft's money isn't acquired through unethical means. They make a fairly popular operating system. They gained their monopoly legally: by making good business decisions and creating a fairly functional graphical user interface on a cheap platform (x86).

      This was my point exactly: Things aren't black and white. Microsoft has done some bad things, but 90% of Microsoft's business is just like any other software company.

      I'm sorry, but I think you're incredibly short sighted. Did it ever occur to you that people who support projects like Mozilla also may give to charity?

      By the same token, if you go out to see a film you're diverting funds that you could've spent supporting a charity into a frivolous activity.

      That is not my point at all. I am not trying to say that everyone should spend all their time doing charity, or that anyone should strive to live like the poorest of the world. My point was that there seems to, in the end, be a mismatch between what we spend money on and what is important to us when we stop and think about it.

      I'm not saying anyone is doing anything unethical when they spend money at the cinema. After all, I think everyone should have the opportunity to watch good movies. Yet, I think we (as in the western world) need correctives. I do strongly believe it is unethical that some people get rich by making other people poor. I think it is unethical that I have the money to buy anything I want, while 30.000 children die from starvation every day (actual figure).

      We must be able to differenciate between what is in itself unethical, and what only becomes unethical when made into a system. I think the poverty of the south is primarily a system issue.

      Sorry for bashing you; I realize that my entire point wasn't very clear in my first post (actually, it was really obscure). To get back to the point: I find it hard to accept that aid organizations struggle to get funding, while something like a web browser so easily gets a lot of money for advertizing. I can find much worse examples, like the fact that 7.000 scientists are working on new formulas for Wella's shampoos instead of something useful for humanity.

      In this big picture, where people are dying because of lack of money, I think we shouldn't care whether Microsoft earned money by killing Linux or not. It means so much more for those who starve.

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    30. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robin Hoodwink - He robbed from the poor to make himself rich.

    31. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      Uh, I think I'll write that last paragraph again:

      In this big picture, where people are dying because of lack of money, I think we shouldn't care whether Bill Gates earned money by killing Linux or not. The fact that billions of his dollars are used to right the wrongs of the world means more for those who starve than Linux will ever mean to me.

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    32. Re:Well.... by GileadGreene · · Score: 1

      Ok then: what has Bill Gates stolen?

    33. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      But isn't it better to get them out of whatever bad situation they're in? Isn't it better to impart the importance of financial responsibility to those that can't manage their money? Isn't it better to fix the problem than smooth it over with a little good will and cash?

      Yep, and suggestions on how to do that are welcome. Meanwhile, I opt to give food to that dying child.

      Really, what do you mean by "fixing problems"? "Financial responsibility"? Tell that to the poor Indonesian child whose poverty was caused by a mad dictator (Suharto) and a forgiving international society. Tell that to the people of Bangladesh, whose poorer classes must live in the lower areas, struck by floods and earthquakes almost every years.

      Tell it to the people of the Papua New Guinea rainforest, whose homes (literally) are being cut down and made into fancy floors and toilet seats in a country they've never heard of.

      Please do train the coffee peasants of Kenya how to get out of the bad situation they are in, being a part of a world economy where their coffee is being sold for virtually nothing to huge coffee houses competing to lower the price. The consequence of giving these people a decent pay is a doubling of the price of your coffee. Are you willing to take that lesson on "responsibility"?

      People aren't generally poor because of some "bad situation they've got into" or "financial irresponsibility". We have to admit that the habits of the western world must change if we want acceptable conditions in the third world.

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    34. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A criminal? now this is sick, really. I could have never known how much some people envied the man. Whenever the name comes up ppl race to reason how he's the root of all evil that was and ever will be.
      Did anyone think of what he'd do if he were in his shoes? I bet you a million dollars 99.9% of the ppl would have been far worse human beings given the amount of money Bill Gates now has.
      This is not even worth arguing...

    35. Re:Well.... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Puh-leeze. While everyone knows Microsoft cheats here and there, it's not really his fault that average Joe is too clueless to look into alternatives.

    36. Re:Well.... by Guppy06 · · Score: 0

      "but having the largest, most important software company in the world in your country is priceless."

      Keep your damned software and your hubris, I'd rather have integrity and character.

    37. Re:Well.... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Supposedly, he's on his way toward donating a significant fraction of his wealth, not a few percent but more like a high double digits.

    38. Re:Well.... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Melinda Gates deserves hell for what she did to us by creating Microsoft Bob and the paperclip. She has severely traumatised lots of people in the first world, and now she's trying to make up for it by supporting the third world. You should check your history before you post.

    39. Re:Well.... by QMO · · Score: 1

      A relatively small amount of thought should convince you that starvation is not caused by insufficient resources, as there is more than enough food to feed everyone on the planet. The food just isn't distributed evenly.

      Once you realize that fact it should become apparent to you that getting gain (money, power, fame) unethically is the root of the problem of starvation and oppression.

      Philanthropy with ill-gotten gains (of any kind) will never be enough to compensate for the damage done in acquiring them.

      This doesn't only apply to multi-billion dollar companies, but to individuals also.

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    40. Re:Well.... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      If a criminal gives a small proportion of his ill-gotten gains to good causes, does he deserve an award?

      I can only assume that the silly "anti-trust" thing is what you're referring to. So I have a question for you:

      Do you know of a single person in the United States that is not a "criminal" as you so loosely define it? I know I'm a criminal. I speed in my car every day.

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    41. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      Well, that depends on your definition of unethically. My parents have middle-class wages in Norway, earned through hard work as teachers. I would hardly say they have earned them unethically, but as most norwegians our family has a far too large piece of the global wealth.

      We need to differentiate between unethical systems (which I argue that the world economy is) and unethical acts (which everyone agrees Bill Gates have performed, but my parents haven't).

      I do certainly agree that philantrophy of ill-gotten gains (as much of western wealth could be argued to be) won't fix all problems. But the acts of Gates are still good, and still helps people out of starvation. After all, Bill Gates can't be blamed for the unjust distribution of wealth (although he accounts for a part of it).

      What are your suggestions to distribute basic needs evenly? Worldwide communism?

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    42. Re:Well.... by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      Fine, when you get knighted for your speedy driving, I will complain about that too. Right now we are discussing someone being knighted for donating a small portion of the huge amount of money he obtained illegially.

    43. Re:Well.... by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Gates isn't limiting himself to stealing from the rich, he hit's the poor, too (and sometimes worse). He's an equal opportunity thief.

    44. Re:Well.... by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      Never said he stole anything.

      It was an analogy. We were talking about the definition of "criminal". Someone upstream made the assertion ( effectively ) that you were not a criminal unless you were convicted. I asserted that that was not so, and used the idea of a hypothetical person who had stolen, but had not been caught at it. Was that criminal or not?

      He ( Bill Gates ) has succeeded in leveraging one monopoly to keep that monopoly ( the pressure brought to bear on OEMs to not ship non-MS operating systems ), and to extend that into other areas ( pressure brought to bear on OEMs to not ship things like Netscape on the equipment they sell, etc, etc ). My understanding is that these are illegal within the US of A. Seems some judges agree with that.

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    45. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the name "Robin Hood" ring a bell?

      Remind me again who Robin Hood stole from, and to whom he gave?

      Bill Gates is Robin Hood in reverse. He steals from relatively poor consumers and adds it to his massive pile of money.

      He doesn't steal, you say? Theft, antitrust, whatever. Forced upgrades feel like being robbed to me.

    46. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do all the morons get +5 Interesting and +5 Informative posts? This post is clearly factually wrong (giving $10 million back) and also inflammatory (coercing people: he never coerced me, I've paid for MS software willingly like everyone else).

    47. Re:Well.... by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying that he has done worthwhile things. I'm not saying he is spotless.

      It's a sign of the times to reward people for hubris and stupidity, look at the Bush Administration and the awards they handed out. Hell, Bush finally got elected legitimately and he has wrecked just about everything thrown at him.

      I'm not saying I agree with it, just that there are WORTHWHILE things he has done that might convince some people to honor him.

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    48. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he hadn't made windows, we would all be using mac os. He is most deserving of his billions.

    49. Re:Well.... by Teja · · Score: 1

      Well what about the Walton family? (Owner of Walmart and Sam's Club) The family's worth combined could overtake Gate's wealth. And when was the last time you heard ofo the Walton family contribute a great amount? And don't forget that Gates just made a huge contribution recently of some 750 million?

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    50. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dale Carnegie wrote "How To Make Friends And Influence People", I believe. Andrew Carnegie was the really rich robber baron guy.

    51. Re:Well.... by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

      If an linux weenie uses a small proportion of his time to karma whore on Slashdot, does he deserve a +5 Interesting?

    52. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I asserted that that was not so, and used the idea of a hypothetical person who had stolen, but had not been caught at it.

      If you are asserting that someone had stolen something (atleast in your mind), but not caught at it, then I'm assuming that you are also asserting that they were tried and convicted in a court of law of that crime. Otherwise they should be considered innocent until proven guilty. Hypothetically, what if someone accused you of molesting their child? Should you be considered guilty because you were with the child at a specified time?

      He ( Bill Gates ) has succeeded in leveraging one monopoly to keep that monopoly...

      Ahh, you mean Microsoft the corporation, right? Bill Gates was the CEO of Microsoft at one point, but I don't think he was Microsoft. Only way you could maybe say otherwise is a time at which he was the only employee.

    53. Re:Well.... by stor · · Score: 2

      You mean he's done something more wonderful than what could have been done if all those billions had not been siphoned out of the economy?

      I'd daresay Microsoft has been a benefit to economies internationally. They have a good number of employees. Their software is used to "enable" other business to be more effective. They have been a catalyst for growth in the computing industry.

      The Bill and Melinda G Foundation donates money to places like Africa. Places where Windows may not actually be sold =) In the end, like most charities, the model is Robin Hood like: Take money from the rich, give to the poor.

      I don't like BG/MS one IOTA but this "Taking $40B and giving back $10B" idea is not connected with reality.

      Cheers
      Stor

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    54. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coercing people to give you $40 billion and then giving $10 million back is not charity.

      Well that's kinda cool if the money's coming from other countries and it's being channelled to American schools. ehehe.

    55. Re:Well.... by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      *If you are asserting that someone had stolen something (atleast in your mind), but not caught at it, then I'm assuming that you are also asserting that they were tried and convicted in a court of law of that crime*

      How could they be tried and convicted in a court of law, if they had not been caught?

      No, you misunderstand.

      Fact: Person of unknown identity steals.
      Fact: Said person is not repeat not apprehended by law enforcement officials. Is not tried. Is not convicted.

      Question: Are they a criminal?

      Statement: I agree with the legal concept of "innocent until proven guilty". Didnt touch that. Dont know where you got the idea I did. Assuming that above individual was caught, I would want that person to have all the benefits of the ideas of the US legal system.

      *Ahh, you mean Microsoft the corporation, right? Bill Gates was the CEO of Microsoft at one point, but I don't think he was Microsoft. Only way you could maybe say otherwise is a time at which he was the only employee*

      Semantic tiddlewinks. Microsoft carried out, by and large, the will of its CEO, Bill Gates. Yes, Bill Gates != Microsoft, Microsoft != Bill Gates.

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    56. Re:Well.... by humina · · Score: 1
      Basically what you are saying is it's ok to have an illegal monopolist in your country as long as said monopolist has a lot of power and wealth. Your worth is not measured in money or power.

      Having a monopoly in my country does not help me at all. He buys politicians with his money:
      Open Secrets
      corp watch

      Thank god though that monopolies are part of the Anglo American cultural heritage. Now while I'm trolling I can tell everyone that I can't help it cause being a jerk is part of my cultural heritage.

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    57. Re:Well.... by humina · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The irony of people citing robin hood is this:

      If we had a current day robin hood he would steal from Bill Gates and give to the poor.

      Having a foundation to donate a small stone in his mountain of money does not make the man the next Jesus.

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    58. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      To get back to the point: I find it hard to accept that aid organizations struggle to get funding, while something like a web browser so easily gets a lot of money for advertizing.

      I think you'll find that many aid organistations get far more in donations than the Mozilla Foundation gets.

      Also, why is paying a large organisation to produce and market software ok, but donating a (probably smaller) amount to a free and open organisation wrong? Given the choice, I would rather give my money to the Mozilla Foundation rather than Microsoft because The Mozilla Foundation (and similar projects) are ethical and they actually seem to give a damn about their users. Giving the Mozilla Foundation money that would otherwise have been given to Microsoft doesn't take any money away from the charities (although it might increase the amount of money they get since donations to the Mozilla Foundation are unlikely to be anywhere near the amount that people would usually pay to MS so there's more money available in people's pockets).

      Compare Microsoft's marketting budget (paid for by their customers) against the Mozilla Foundation's marketting budget (paid for by _some_ of their consumers) and I think you'll find MS's is a lot bigger. Also compare the marketting budget of some aid organisations - that's probably bigger too.

    59. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      Also, why is paying a large organisation to produce and market software ok, but donating a (probably smaller) amount to a free and open organisation wrong?

      Would you please read my post? Everything is not a right/wrong issue. I think it's good to support mozilla. But I find it hard to accept that _at the same time_, aid organizations struggle. You see the difference? I don't say that one is wrong and one is right. Both are probably right. But the latter is more important. Because lives are more important than software.

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    60. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      Very nice strawman bashing! Now go read my post, and come back when you disagree with me. Please notice that I don't like monopolists and I don't support abusing monopolies. Please, do also note that I, even though I don't support monopolies, believe that Microsoft has given more (in terms of dollars) to the US than their dubious and unethical business practices has cost the US society.

      Now, if you could please tell me how that makes me say that I think anything is OK, I would be thrilled. I thought I was making a simple addition and subtraction, not an ethical judgement.

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    61. Re:Well.... by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      My bad. Thank you for pointing that out.

      (For those who have set there thresholds & such up so you can't read AC posts, parent posted that Andrew Carnegie was the robber baron. I stand corrected.

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    62. Re:Well.... by humina · · Score: 1
      saying: "having the largest, most important software company in the world in your country is priceless" means that it is worth more than can be expressed in dollar amounts to have a monopoly operating in your country. That's what you said. "Gates has obviously profited from some dubious business, but he has also given tons back to the US through taxes, employment, and extending the anglo-american cultural heritage in the western world by keeping the control of the single most important piece of software in the world in the US." Reading this sounds like a rationalization for dubious business practices.

      Those are two places where it sounds like you think what bill and Microsoft has done is ok. The first one even sounds better than ok. It sounds quite positive.

      "Now, if you could please tell me how that makes me say that I think anything is OK, I would be thrilled." You should be extra thrilled now.
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    63. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1
      "having the largest, most important software company in the world in your country is priceless"

      means that it is worth more than can be expressed in dollar amounts to have a monopoly operating in your country. That's what you said.

      What? Who says that the concept of "the largest, most important company" must be a monopoly? You mix your emotions into my post. I'm as angry as anyone at Microsoft; I'm just pointing out that Microsoft isn't a (financial) liability to the US. (Notice! Again! That this isn't a moral judgement!)

      Gates has obviously profited from some dubious business, but he has also given tons back to the US through taxes, employment, and extending the anglo-american cultural heritage in the western world by keeping the control of the single most important piece of software in the world in the US.

      Reading this sounds like a rationalization for dubious business practices.

      No. Again, I'm not making a moral judgement - it is you who are reading this into my words. I dislike Microsoft, and I hate their business practices. Yet, they're not a financial liability in the big picture. (This is quite far from rationalizing: I do not think that anything that isn't a liability is good for society! Money isn't everything.)

      Now, begone. You attack my moral stand, for a post which I explicitly state isn't about morals, but about money. Ask me about morals, and you will get a general bashing of big companies, which you long to read.

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    64. Re:Well.... by humina · · Score: 1

      Even if your original post is all about Microsoft's contribution to the financial state of the US, the position that it is priceless is unfounded. Microsoft IS a financial liability to the US. They constantly push other companies out of the marketplace. Netscape and Sun are two large companies that were hurt by Microsoft. There are hundreds of small businesses that do not have the access to the kind of money to sue Microsoft for their various illegal activities. Those small businesses must shut down I am therefore of the opinion that Microsoft IS a liability to the financial well being of the US as well as a moral liability.

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    65. Re:Well.... by say · · Score: 1

      OK, then we just plainly disagree, instead of yelling at each other. Did only take a few days :-) I think the US has net profit from having Microsoft, even if you count in all smaller companies being stopped by the giant and so on. But it's not an easy calculation to make, I'm sure.

      At least we probably agree that it's better for the US (financially) that Microsoft is american, compared to having a chinese world monopolist on desktop software?

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    66. Re:Well.... by humina · · Score: 1
      Actually that's an interesting thought experiment. If the Chinese has a monopoly on desktop software, the US government would probably invest in open source software way more than they do now. You would have a lot more people trying to compete with the monopoly instead of giving in to it's dominance. More competition more jobs, more economic diversity.

      If Microsoft was based out of say Britain then I don't think the government would care as much. That would financially be the worst for the US.

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    67. Re:Well.... by CapnGrunge · · Score: 1

      Francis Drake was just as real:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake

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  28. OSD peasant yells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come and see the patents inherent in the system!

    Help help! We're being repressed!

    1. Re:OSD peasant yells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bloody GNU/peasant!

  29. Fair enough. by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    Sounds fair enough. He has been ordering the entire British Empire around for quite a while now. Not to mention fleecing a good number of Central and local government institutions.

    Nothing like facing reality.

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  30. surfing? serfing? by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    Bill's first task, after being knighted, is rumored to be to changed the way we all surf. Or was that to change us all into serfs? hmmm. I forget.

  31. damnit by TrippTDF · · Score: 1

    He beat me to it! Guess I owe him a dollar.

  32. RPG Character? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 1

    Now that Bill Gates is a knight, will he be appearing as a character in various Microsoft RPG games (a la Lord British)?

    How many hardcore Linux users would install a Windows partition just to play future versions of Dungeon Siege and have a chance to maim Bill Gates?

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    1. Re:RPG Character? by Taladar · · Score: 1

      Do you know xbill (the Linux Game)?

  33. Douglas Adams quote by shades6666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." (Douglas Adams)

    Now all he needs is the shining armour :-)

    1. Re:Douglas Adams quote by DrewCapu · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a business model that deserves a patent.

  34. This will be followed by... by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates will become a Knight in the order of the Jedi and his lightsaber will run on Longhorn.

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    1. Re:This will be followed by... by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah and no Darth Gater jokes!

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    2. Re:This will be followed by... by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry then. That lightsabre will get 0wned by a bored 15 year old and inexplicably stab him in the eye.

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  35. Pointless Title by Rac3r5 · · Score: 1

    Seriously speaking, what is the point of all these titles given out by Elizabeth? Just another pointless title. Almost as pointless as Royalty in the UK. Can't believe so many ppl in the UK go goo goo ga gaa over Royalty in the UK.

    1. Re:Pointless Title by zakharin · · Score: 0

      I bet the children love it though. I remember, growing up in the Soviet Union, mind you, after hearing fairy tails with all the kings, queens, and princesses and such, asking whether I could ever see a real king or queen (I've never seen one in person to this day. Met my congressman, though).

    2. Re:Pointless Title by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Can't believe so many ppl in the UK go goo goo ga gaa over Royalty in the UK.
      I can't believe how many outside the UK are so obsessed with them. My SO, for example. Me? Frankly, I couldn't care less.

      I suspect it's just a joke played on unsuspecting foreigners, kind of like sauerkraut.

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    3. Re:Pointless Title by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just the British. We have a big thing for pomp and ceremony, helps keep things moving.

      I believe the US invented a lot of things along a similar vein - useless things given for no reason. The Oscars, for example.

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    4. Re:Pointless Title by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny
      I remember, growing up in the Soviet Union, mind you, after hearing fairy tails with all the kings, queens, and princesses and such.
      Someone else do it, it's not my turn.
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    5. Re:Pointless Title by tomjen · · Score: 1

      The danes support thiere monarchy too, and it is just as old as The british.

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    6. Re:Pointless Title by smart.id · · Score: 1

      The US government didn't invent the Oscars.

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    7. Re:Pointless Title by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      Nor did the UK government invent titles. My point about uselessness still stands.

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    8. Re:Pointless Title by smart.id · · Score: 1

      They didn't invent the title -- they gave it out. I agree with the uselessness, but I am associating the British government with the useless titles, while the Academy Awards are just a company.

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    9. Re:Pointless Title by nsayer · · Score: 1

      The AMPAS is not really a company in the traditional sense. It was created by a bunch of movie moguls as a way of forestalling the unionization of the movie business. They figured that by creating an exclusive club and giving out awards to each other they could blur the line between management and the workers and keep the unions from getting a stronghold. Yes, AMPAS is nothing more than the most grandiose teambuilding exercise ever attempted.

      They failed to keep out the unions (oh, did they! Hollywood is a bigger union town than Detroit), but the Academy lives on.

    10. Re:Pointless Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Danish monarchy is older than the British one. There are a lot of other monarchies too, e.g. Sweden, Norway, Holland, Belgium, and so on. In general, most of the countries with the highest level of equality and social development are monarchies (but there are some republics too, like Finland).

    11. Re:Pointless Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you won't, I will...
      In the Soviet Union the Knights get Gated!

  36. THE BLACK KNIGHT!!!!! by big-giant-head · · Score: 0, Redundant

    nm

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  37. That reminds me by nizo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    After seeing the first few comments, I wonder what the record is for the most Flamebait/Troll mods in one story? And shall we break that record today?

    1. Re:That reminds me by Saxton · · Score: 1

      After seeing the first few comments, I wonder what the record is for the most Flamebait/Troll mods in one story? And shall we break that record today?

      You are diluting the prospects of this record by adding off-topic posts!

      -Aaron

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  38. That's interesting... by SharpFang · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Knight of... what?

    I have a few stolen original Windows CDs. There were 80 or so in the box so, already installed on computers they had been shipped with, so I grabbed a handfull and pocketed them. So now I have them, the owner doesn't. I wasn't caught red-handed, so I'm quite safe, any control will show a bunch of legal Windows CDs. I can even sell them now for profit legally. Unless they find the original CDs are missing, and find out who took them (quite impossible now), I'm perfectly safe.

    But if I copied them, the original owner would still have them. But if they checked my property they would find a box of "stolen Windows CDs" and prosecute me for them.

    This is the model of the world mr Gates is promoting. Is that the virtue he received the knighthood for?

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    1. Re:That's interesting... by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Although I agree IP law is stupid, your example makes no sense - the copies you had wern't legal, they had already been installed and if the number of installations of any particular serial number were checked it would come up as dodgy. Also im sure if the people involved found out they wouldnt be happy, but only IF they found out, just like only IF they find out you had made copies. The original owner probably wouldn't care if you had copies of their CDs as long as they wernt liable, but Microsoft would care about the 'potential lost sale'. In the end the potential lost sale is generally a load of crap and only applies to real pirates who want to make a proffit, the average joe is either well-off, in which case the cost of windows means nothing to them so they buy it, or they are some poor student whos going to be paying off their loan for the next 10 years and wouldnt actually be able to shell out the money anyway, hence no lost sale, but the gain of a windows user which is benificial to Microsoft - the more windows users they have the more foot hold they have on the market which is why they rarely go after people like that - just like with any software, if you learn to use it, stolen or not, your probably going to still want to use it when you can afford it or work at a company and that will eventually turn into a sale.

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    2. Re:That's interesting... by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      I have a CD of Bob Geldof. I ripped it to Ogg and shared it on Kazaa. I don't think anyone noticed, so I think I'm perfectly safe. If someone checked though they'd figure I'm a "pirate" and prosecute me.

      This is the model of the world Sir Bob Geldof is promoting? Is that the virtue he received the knighthood for?

      Oh wait, maybe it's because Geldof organized Live Aid and saved many people in Africa from famine. And maybe Gates is getting his because he's donated billions for unimportant things like, oh, vaccinations and disease research. Imagine that.

      Take your "viva la revolucion komandante!!!" rant and go back to your mom's basement.

    3. Re:That's interesting... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Knight of... what?

      The Sith? ;-)

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  39. Arise! by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Arise!
    Sir Embrace of Extend!
    Sir Protector of FUD!
    Sir Blue of Screen!

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    1. Re:Arise! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Knight Rebooter of the Most Expressed Outlook of the Bluescreen Empire!

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  40. an "excellent Bill" - where's Ted ? by for_usenet · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Anyone else thought "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" when they read that tagline ? ;-)

    1. Re:an "excellent Bill" - where's Ted ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, about four hundred posts before yours.

  41. This is Most Excellent by erroneus · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This is a most excellent moment in history! This is surely the most excellent beginning of a most excellent adventure! Although I'm unsure how Bill (Gates) and Ted (Kennedy) are tied in to this plot, I expect most excellent show.

    Stay tuned!

  42. Titles by Exluddite · · Score: 5, Funny

    .."Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire." Protector of the Order of the BSOD, Royal Disseminator of FUD, and Patcher of the Realm.

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  43. With Bill Gate's kind of money & power... by bwcarty · · Score: 1

    He doesn't get to call himself 'Sir' though

    With Bill Gate's kind of money & power, not only would I call myself 'Sir,' I'd tack on whatever other titles and suffixes I wanted and laugh at anyone who tried to tell me otherwise.

    For starters...The Most Honorable Lord Sir Magnus Sheikh Czar BWCarty, Emperor of the Universe, Second Coming of the Mesiah, and Bringer of the Apocalypse.

  44. The temptation!! by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword

    I think this is a mockery of the title. Not that I am for titles, but this is a mockery of it!

    I say take a swing!

    Queen: "Blue screen of death? ill give you blue screen of death!"

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    1. Re:The temptation!! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I'm not a big Bill Gates fan, but I'd tell the Queen to stuff it. You don't become the richest man in the world kneeling in front of people.

  45. What, no sir?? by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Informative

    An explaination of who gets to call themselves sir.. For those not quite in the know of how the Brittish Knighting system works.

    Quoting Wikipedia: "Citizens of other countries, however, may be admitted as "honorary members". They do not count towards the numerical limits aforementioned, nor are they addressed as "Sir". (They may be made full members if they subsequently become British citizens.) Notable foreign members of the Order have included Pelé, Bob Geldof, Bill Gates, Rudy Giuliani, Alan Greenspan, Steven Spielberg, Tommy Franks and Wesley Clark (all Knights Commander)."

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    1. Re:What, no sir?? by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      Americans shouldn't be calling themselves or any one else sir anyway since we decided long ago not to recognize titles of Nobility.

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    2. Re:What, no sir?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first glance that looked like "Wesley Snipes" ...

  46. But in Ireland, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's pronounced "Sir William H. Gates, the Turd"

  47. I used to despise Bill. by surfcow · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But he's given enough of what he stole to decent charities that I say let him be crowned or sainted or venerated by the sort of people who do that sort of thing. As long as he keeps giving to charities, I just don't care.

    =brian

    1. Re:I used to despise Bill. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of now-defunct software companies could have given to charities if MS didn't put them out of business by underhanded tactics.

    2. Re:I used to despise Bill. by humina · · Score: 1
      With the same logic only exaggerated in order to exaggerate my point:

      A person can:
      1. Underhandedly obtain money (lets go with armed robbery to spice things up)
      2. Donate a 1/10th of it to fight aids in Africa
      3. Smile since they are morally in the clear because of 2.
      4. Repeat
      5. Profit! From 1. (only added this cause it's slashdot)

      Anyhow. I guess my point is that if I rob you and then donate half the money I steal from you, it doesn't make me a morally good person. I guess that just proves that knighthood doesn't mean much.

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  48. Well, it's for a good cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    So this is how the Royal Family gets Microsoft premium support and discounts on upgrades.

    ..and us common folk just have to re-install windows and see if it happens again. Sigh.

  49. Dear editors by xinn · · Score: 1

    Today is *not* April first it is March first.

    Thank you, and now feel free to recind the joke article.

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  50. "Gently tap him with a sword" by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    "Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword."

    That's the best sentence I've read in a long time.

    I'm sure there's plenty of Slashdotters who'd rather she stabbed him with it, though... *grin*.

    1. Re:"Gently tap him with a sword" by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      "Now kneel, Sir Gates, so that we may better circumsize thee."

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  51. Promotion by szlevente · · Score: 1

    So the Queen Knights him. I guess he just reached the eight rank...Now I wonder, will he castle, too? :)

  52. Down with the monarchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry to say, but the British monarchy has seen its best days. Perhaps Bush can liberate the Brits and the commonwealth countries from this non-democratic institution?!

  53. Could be worse by screwballicus · · Score: 1

    If that crook Conrad Black can be a Lord, and a Scottish Nationalist knighted, I suppose Bill Gates being a knight is far from the strangest or the worst thing that could happen.

  54. For what exactly? by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Okay so he runs a large company with UK offices, but so what? Microsoft has offices in every large country. So what has Bill Gates done specifically for the benefit of the UK?

    1. Re:For what exactly? by BJH · · Score: 1

      Not bought it out and sold its citizens into slavery?

  55. I don't think anyone can deny gates has done good by hsmith · · Score: 1

    he is the single largest donator in the world, he pushes causes, gives insane amounts of money to AIDS research. he is a good person as much as many will have distain for his business practices.

  56. How much does one of these go for? by symbolic · · Score: 1


    Inquiring minds want to know...

  57. Re:How much does it take? - Means testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You have to be a British Subject to be called 'Sir'. For Bill Gates, that would mean a lot of taxe$ - probably more than he is willing to spend, and very expensive indeed.

    It's odd that all it takes to get the civilian hono(u)rariums that a country has to offer is a lot of dough. I watched "The age of Wal*Mart" the other night. It featured a scene where George Bush I placed the Medal Of Freedom (highest US civilian honor) around Sam Walton's neck. I was like: For what? Being really rich? Maybe there was some charity involved somewhere with either Billy Gates or Sam Walton, but on a percentage-of-wealth scale, they don't look more impressive than the same level of giving by a poorer person. Heck donating 5% of income is a heroic sacrifice for the average Wal*Mart employee, but for Sam Walton, or Bill Gates, giving 99% would leave them still extremely wealthy and living like kings. Less impressive, really than the cashier who donates 5%.

  58. He deserves it. by anorlunda · · Score: 1

    As much as the open source community loves to hate Bill and Microsoft, they have transformed the world. Contrast the office of today with that of 20 years ago. Today, almost every office worker is using his/her computer most of the day. Before, there were legions of secretaries, typists and assistants to help in the production of documents and letters.

    Of course there are disadvantages but the modern ways make white collar workers much more productive.

    Like it or not, Bill Gates contributed more to the good economy of the 1990s than Bill Clinton did. Yet we love Bill C and love to hate Bill G.

    1. Re:He deserves it. by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much downtime and lost data has cost in the drive for more productivity. Perhaps if Billy had had some competition we'd really be better off and not just stuck with something that nearly works now.

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    2. Re:He deserves it. by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      As much as the open source community loves to hate Bill and Microsoft, they have transformed the world. Contrast the office of today with that of 20 years ago. Today, almost every office worker is using his/her computer most of the day. Before, there were legions of secretaries, typists and assistants to help in the production of documents and letters.

      The truly enormous hole in your thesis is your assumption that Bill G. contributed in any way, shape or form to this change (which is, indeed, a Good Thing) happening. He didn't; all he did was make money off it. Not only would it have happened without him, it probably would have happened faster and better than it did with his malign presence.

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    3. Re:He deserves it. by Umanity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bill Gates and Microsoft did not invent the Personal Computer nor the operation system. Luckily I was involved in the start of the microcomputer revolution. I think that computing would have been much better off if there never was a Microsoft. There was a time when there was much innovation in the computer science field. Once Microsoft came around, companies were being put out of business by some of MS's anti-competitive business practices. For instance, I was the lead programmer for Commodore Amigas Novell Netware. Both Commodore and Novell were adversely affected by MS's business practices. There is not debating that the Amiga OS was lightyears ahead of MS WIndows 3.1. AmigaOS had real multitasking, high-resolution video and audio, and much more software available for it. Novell Netware was the cats-meow so far as Networking systems in the late 80's and early 90's. Microsoft couldn't compete... But so they bundle the network software with the OS, and low and behold, Novell is no longer needed. Then there was the browser wars, etc...

      There are people like anorlunda who think that without MS computing would be nowhere. I was contributing and innovating through the 80's and 90's and had some of my work stolen by MS. I have worked on at least three projects which have since been taken over by MS. MS is not innovative, they are predators...

      Michael Uman

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  59. Ob. Spike Milligan quote by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

    "I can't see the sense in it [his honorary CBE] really. It makes me a Commander of the British Empire. They might as well make me a Commander of Milton Keynes - at least that exists."

  60. Ouchies. by dauthur · · Score: 1

    With this power of modern knighthood, does he get to wear heavy metal, listen to classical, save daimsels in distress and most importantly... is he going to design me a knightish HEV suit? Windows Knights Edition sounds good to me.

    God dammit. I thought you had to be British to get knighthood. I guess you just have to be at the forefront of the world's largest corperate monopoly and at the same time, the richest nerd in the history of the universe.

    1. Re:Ouchies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh... that's why it is HONORARY you 'tard.

      I guess to be a moron, all you have to do is get 100% of your life's experience through reading /.

  61. Jack Straw Says: by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    When it was announced last year that Gates was to be knighted, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw paid tribute to him.

    "(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."


    Yes, at last count in 2004 it cost the UK economy BILLIONS (a rather round figure) of pounds.

    As for changing business practices.. well Microsoft haven't yet forced thier patent strategy onto us, so right now we are not all suckling from thier fetid teat.

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  62. Indeed... by voxlator · · Score: 1

    From the Yahoo blurb...
    "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."

    Yes indeed. The number of people employed to keep the computers running his companies products has had a great (positive) impact on the British economy.
    On the other hand, it's also had a great impact (negatively) on the British economy as companies struggle day-to-day to get things done running his companies products...

    :o)

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  63. Sir... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So...how can someone be "prohibited" from calling himself Sir? Will I get mailbombed or something if I refer to myself as Sir? Or (shivers) SUED?

    Sir James G.

  64. Re:DOJhood! MOD PARENT UP!! by Cycloid+Torus · · Score: 0
    First it was moderated as Troll - now as Flamebait.

    Escapes me as to why either applies.

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  65. Let's knight him saudi style! by nietsch · · Score: 1

    Or iraqi style, with gory video to see on al-Jazeera.
    Looking forward to it ;-)

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    1. Re:Let's knight him saudi style! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a poor excuse for a human being :(

  66. I don't mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our new Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire Overlord.

  67. Gently tap? by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

    Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword.

    Or the penguin could drive the sword into his heart, ditch the queen disguise, and quickly waddle away.

  68. Love to hate Gates by mrn121 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I know how much the slashot community loves to hate Bill Gates (and I admit, it can be fun from time to time), but this man has given away more money to charitable causes than EVERY SINGLE one of us combined will in our lives.

    Sure, he has the money and we don't, but it is easy to say that if you were a billionaire, you would be that giving as well, it's probably harder to actually do. Let's give this man some credit where credit is due, he is doing phenomenal things with his money and (let's be honest here) he is EXACTLY what we all want to one day be: billionaire software developers.

    1. Re:Love to hate Gates by Taladar · · Score: 1

      I can only speak for myself but I would rather stop earning money far below the billionaire mark. At the point where I wouldn't know what to do with more money. And I would never "earn" that kind of money (the kind where I don't know what to do with it) the way Gates does with Microsoft.

    2. Re:Love to hate Gates by humina · · Score: 1
      Here is my rendition of your post:

      I know how much the slashot community loves to hate Bill Gates (and I admit, it can be fun from time to time), but this man has pushed more small businesses out of the market than EVERY SINGLE one of us combined will in our lives.

      Sure, he has the money and we don't, but it is easy to say that if you were a billionaire, you would be crushing small businesses, it's probably harder to actually do. Let's give this man some credit where credit is due, he is doing phenomenal things with his money and (let's be honest here) he is EXACTLY what we all want to one day be: The man we think of first as trying to hurt Linux.

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  69. Free Microsoft Software by jerichohol · · Score: 0

    Will he give them free Microsoft software, They will need updates for their cctv systems, nutrition systems, toilet systems and the war system

  70. PCP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe someone can slip the queen a little PCP so she'll wig out and give a good swipe instead of a "gentle tap"...

  71. Monty Python Reference by punxking · · Score: 2, Funny

    Today the part of Arthur will be played by Linus and the Black Knight by Mr. Gates:

    Arthur: You are indeed brave Sir knight, but the fight is mine.
    Black Knight: Had enough?
    Arthur: You stupid bastard. You havn't got any arms left.
    Black Knight: Course I have.
    Arthur: Look!
    Black Knight: What! Just a flesh wound.

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  72. If only it were my world... by retro128 · · Score: 1

    I would have RMS preside over the ceremony.

    Careful with that sword there, boy.

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  73. Well... by M3rk1n_Muffl3y · · Score: 1

    say what you like, but it's an easy and convenient way to get a sword near his head.

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  74. i thought by Twillerror · · Score: 1

    you had to kill dragons to be a knight. Maybe Mozzilla counts, but he hasn't slayed it yet.

  75. Anyone I can write to.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    Anyone got an address or something I can complain to? This is downright fucked up and I don't want him a knight of my realm.

    Postal address, e-mail or phone number if anyone has one. Even if we can't stop it we can clearly show we hate it.

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    1. Re:Anyone I can write to.. by szo · · Score: 1

      Are you british? And the first thing starts to poke your eye is BG becoming a knight? How about the knighthood itself? The lords? The queen? The monarchy? Are these doesn't bother you? I was always amased by the otherwise civilised and respectable brits and their thing with the kingdom. Care to explain a bit?

      TIA

      Szo

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    2. Re:Anyone I can write to.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      I think the British mentality (English mostly) is "fair play and whoever wins, wins". We're anarchists at heart but too lazy to do anything. So we all "accept" things or all our rebel.

      The monarchy doesn't have any power, it's at best a freak show and no one really takes any notice. They are just there to get tourists here now, nothing important.

      Knighthood is a joke, it's given mostly to celebrities and it's totally invalid.

      Lords - meh, they are just there, can't do nothing.

      Listen to "god save the queen" by the sex pistols. It somes it up nicely.

      In short, we just don't care. Thats how things are we can't change them so why would we care to try?

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  76. Thats what he thinks.. by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Hahaha little does he know, the Queen has no intention 'tapping' the sword on his shoulder..

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  77. I dub thee Sir Crashalot ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a disgrace that weaklings like Gates and Berners Lee are knighted. Only F1 drivers, athletes and war heroes deserve the honor.

    1. Re:I dub thee Sir Crashalot ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, Bill Gates has written a keyboard driver which does not only drive the F1 key, but F2 to F12 too, not to mention all the other keys on your keyboard ... so if a mere F1 driver is enough to deserve knighthood, then a driver for more than 100 keys deserves it all the more! :-)

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  78. What happened? by 15973 · · Score: 1

    Back in the early days of Knighthood, a would-be knight had to prove his strength, valour, chivalry, courage, and other things that proved his worth to the realm. Nowadays, you can be Elton John or Mick Jagger (or good ol' Billy Gates), and you're set. Am I the only one who thinks something's gone horribly wrong here? The Queen must be sick to her stomach having to knight all these guys...

    1. Re:What happened? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      a would-be knight had to prove his strength, valour, chivalry, courage, and other things that proved his worth to the realm.
      Throughout most of history, didn't that boil down to killing lots of French types?
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    2. Re:What happened? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1

      Or Scots, or Welshmen, or Irishmen, or Arabs & Jews (Crusades), or possibly raiding Norse, and, of course, other Englishmen (the other numerous civil wars).

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  79. Bill Gates congratulated for business practices? by OwlWhacker · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."

    Microsoft's business practices usually have a profound impact. That's why the company has faced anti-trust cases.

    Although we can't deny that Bill Gates has been a successful businessman, we can't deny that he has allowed his company to crush competition in an anti-competitive manner (according to the courts), and has not only maintained an illegal monopoly (according to the courts), but it has leveraged its illegal monopoly to force its way as a leader into other markets.

    If he's so successful, why can't he promote competition? Competition is good for the end-user, just look how Firefox got Microsoft to update Internet Explorer! Bill Gates should ensure that competition is kept alive by accepting open standards.

    A knighthood for bundling and lock-in. Hip, Hip, Hooray!

  80. Commander of cmd by losec · · Score: 1

    Building windows ontop of command, from windows 3.11 to todays windows XP has finally payed off!

  81. oops? by srealm · · Score: 1

    I dunno, the Queen is getting on now days, what do you think the likelyhood of her coming over faint at the exact moment she is knighting him, and collapsing on the sword (putting more pressure on it than she intended), and accidentally decapitaing poor ol' Bill?

    For all you nay sayers, leave me alone with my dreams!

  82. Check! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He got to the eight rank, and was promoted to Knight. I'm pretty sure it's because he gives a check...

  83. The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 4, Funny

    (Darth Raymond) "I challenge you to a duel, Master Gates."

    (Jedi Gates) "All right, just let me boot up my light saber."

    10 minutes pass

    (G) "Ok, my blade's on."

    (R) "Then to battle!"

    (G) "No, wait, now I need to turn on Windows Media Player so I can change my saber color."

    (R) "What?"

    (G) "Great, now let me close all of these pop-ups that show up whenever I turn on my saber."

    (R) "You get light saber popups?"

    (G) "Yes, but that'll be fixed in Service Pack 20, due out next year, barring unforeseen delays. Popups are really a normal part of dueling, you know."

    (R) "You're a loony."

    (G) "Am not!"

    They fight. Gates is skilled, but after a few strikes his blade flickers and goes out, letting Raymond's blade slip through and destroy him.

    (R) "Bill, Bill, Bill...didn't you read your own EULA? Longhorn isn't for use in airports, nuclear power plants, or other dangerous environments."

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    1. Re:The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would that be Kill Bill vol 3.1?
      sorry...

    2. Re:The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 1

      That is funny, but you forgot the part where the lightsaber turns blue and spits out... A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your light saber. Light_Saber_CORRUPT If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps: Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed. If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer for any Windows updates you might need. If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware or software. Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing. If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select Safe Mode. Technical information: *** STOP: 0x0000004e (0x00000099, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)

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    3. Re:The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but at least he gets $5 for the error.

    4. Re:The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by megabeck42 · · Score: 1

      bug code 0x4e? Sounds like a memmory manager code; are you overclocking your light sabre? Try turning off APIC, ACPI and reinstalling.

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    5. Re:The Clash...er...Crash of the Jedi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it takes ur windows machine 10 minutes to boot? wtf did u do to it??

  84. Services to... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

    I guess his knighthood is for services to insecurity or something then...

  85. Woe to those commie open-source pushers... by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 1

    I guess this means Sir Bill will soon have all of us hauled off to the digital stockades screaming, "Help! I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"

  86. Black Adder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill is going to get a TV series of his own, just like Black Adder. Wonder what kind of of intro music they'll use? ..

    1. Re:Black Adder by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      Since Bill's buddy Paul Allen did the Experience Music Project something guitar-intensive.

      Joe Satriani - too skilled

      Motorhead - too uncompromising

      Celtic Frost ahhh....yes.

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  87. As A Brit by mthaddon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can only apologize.

    I feel so ashamed...

    1. Re:As A Brit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah he should stop his donations to the stupid Brits.

    2. Re:As A Brit by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      I feel ashamed that you need to apologize for recognizing a man's good works.

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  88. Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much longer will this delay Longhorn?

  89. he has done wonderful things by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    'he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation'

    Yeh, so would I if I were the richest man in the world, where's my knighthood.

    This stinks of number swiss bank acount + a contract for Microsoft.

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  90. Bad relationship? by Martz · · Score: 1

    I personally do not like how close Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, chancellor of the exchequer are to Gates. It seems unhealthy that they should be having meetings at such a level - especially since the use of Linux and FOSS in the goverment has been recommended, and then ignored when it comes down to purchasing time.

    Obviously Gates has an interest in the use of MS within the UK Goverment, but surely this is just going over the IT decision makers heads when they sided with FOSS.

    Also.. what the hell has Gates done for this country? All the sales are done via MS Ireland, not MS UK afaik.

  91. no no no by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    He's the BSOD.... BLUE SIR OF DEATH!

    Don't use so many caps.

  92. Damn shame... by BierGuzzl · · Score: 1

    If Bill were being knighted for his charitable deeds, his intelligence, maybe even his success as a businessman, I could understand this. After all, there is no denying that he is a brilliant and successful capitalist, the realization of American ideals. However, according to TFA, he's being knighted for the profound impact Microsoft has had on the British Economy. And they're greatful for this??? His company isn't out to contribute to the British economy, it's out to rape and pillage it.

    Hell, let's start giving out knighthoods to oil companies because of their profound impact on the environment. Actually, that's one example we'll likely see too, with oil companies being recognized for their contributions into fuel efficiency and alternate fuels research. Argh.

    1. Re:Damn shame... by anonicon · · Score: 1

      Oh, you make some good points, to be sure, but I think it's rather cheeky to criticize the Brits for knighting Gates when over 50% of the U.S. voting public voted to stick a pot-smoking, cocaine-addled dodge-drafter back in the President's office for four more years, where he's already proven he can and WILL do real harm economically, militarily, and socially.

    2. Re:Damn shame... by BierGuzzl · · Score: 1

      I think you might have mistaken me for an American.

  93. Monty Python was close... by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose instead of being one of the knights who say "NEE!", he'll be one of the knights who say "moNEY!"

    1. Re:Monty Python was close... by super_ogg · · Score: 1

      God awful joke. I hope you know that.
      ogg

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    2. Re:Monty Python was close... by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Well, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear...it was a Monty Python joke to begin with. :)

  94. He doesn't get to call himself 'Sir' though. by consumer_whore · · Score: 3, Funny

    Having MCSE certification doesn't make you an engineer either.

  95. Knights by Refrag · · Score: 1

    The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire should send Bill Gates to war in Iraq with the rest of their knights.

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    1. Re:Knights by t0ny747 · · Score: 0

      The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire should send Bill Gates to war in Iraq with the rest of their knights.

      Just toss him out of a plane and hope he hits some one. :)

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  96. Re:Jousting Match by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll Joust him, but only riding a specially bred flying Ostrich.
    The arena will consist of platforms and a lava pit with a lava troll to pull in anyone that gets their feet too close to the lava.

  97. Sir Steve Jobs next? EOM by adsl · · Score: 1

    EOM

  98. Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir'... by eberry · · Score: 1

    ...without adding 'You're making a scene.'

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    1. Re:Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir'... by adsl · · Score: 1

      The first guy to call me Sir was also a Police Officer, in London. It was then that it dawned on me I was no longer a kid:(

    2. Re:Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir'... by phyruxus · · Score: 1

      +1, obligatory

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  99. Defend the realm! by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

    I just love the image of invaders trying to take over Great Britain, and all these recent "knights" made in the last 50 years being asked to defend the realm - Musicians, Artists, Actors, and now Bill Gates, all trying to walk in plate-mail and get up on a horse.

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    1. Re:Defend the realm! by thelenm · · Score: 1

      For some reason, I read your subject line as "Defund the realm!" and I thought it was entirely appropriate. Defunding people may be his greatest skill.

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  100. Fuck that. by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

    Well I for one will be protesting to the Queen.

    It is simply not done to make a criminal (a convicted monopolist) a knight of the realm.

    Oh wait... That seems to be the minimum qualification these days.

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  101. No Sir Gates? by glh · · Score: 1

    How about Sir Charge... Sur Charge... :P

  102. She is old... by panth0r · · Score: 1

    Maybe her finger will slip... or if we're really lucky her whole hand.

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  103. I like ZDNet's belgian edition better by Jugalator · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:I like ZDNet's belgian edition better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, oh and besides that one, this one with direct links to mirrored downloads in the article.
      Can anyone tell the european stance about Microsoft? ;-)

  104. All Downhill after Sir Elton John by shamowfski · · Score: 1

    Who wants to be a Knight now anyway? I mean piano man is an OK song, but a Knighworthy song? I don't know about that....

  105. except that ... it's used for Microsoft Marketing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's used as a marketing arm of Microsoft.

    For example ...

    He donates money to schools that buy microsoft computers. These computers lock that school district into microsoft.

    Gates foundation gives money to NPR. NPR does puff piece on Microsoft.

  106. this is bullshit by tasinet · · Score: 1

    Bill who is now a what?
    Yeah right..
    Then the President of the United States should be Torvalds/.

    (Don't say the problem is that he if Finnish, ***** is a U.S. citizen but he's still knighted.)

  107. Not informative! by jizmonkey · · Score: 1

    You might want to read that more carefully. Those words "holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them" weren't put down to use up the extra ink in the pen.

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    1. Re:Not informative! by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      The orginal parent comes from the George W. Bush School of Document Reading, with a degree in Faulty Assumptions, minor was Dumbassitude.

  108. Unamerican. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US Constitution. Article I. Section 9.

    Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    Bowing before the English Queen is UNFUCKINGAMERICAN.

    1. Re:Unamerican. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      What "office of profit or trust" does BG hold?

      Did you complain when Ronald Regan accepted a knighthood in 1989?

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  109. HA! by Dr.Seuss · · Score: 1

    For all the times I've had to listen to you Britons say "Those Americans are so bloody daft.... "

    HA! So now who's gone bananas?!?

  110. like becoming a Kentucy colonel by thomasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Degraded honour. What value is it to give this to a businessman.
    Is he serving people? Is he even working for Great Britian. What a sham.

  111. I'm curious.. by Karn · · Score: 1

    are the UK taxpayers paying for this?

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  112. Charities by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

    And not phoney-baloney charities either. He's getting children immunized and properly educated, investing in our future so to speak. Plus, his hyper-aggressive business practices have pushed tens of thousands of tech-enthusiasts into Stallman's arms, increasing the liberalism of our entire society.

  113. Billy won't like that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates KDE ... ... sorry I mean KBE.

  114. We're sorry Mr. Gates... by Nephroth · · Score: 1

    We're sorry Mr. Gates about all those lawsuits you lost here in Europe. And we won't even get started about that software patent rejection, we know it will greatly hinder your empire within ours. Fret not however! We have a come up with a lovely consolation prize that will surely coddle your ego and keep your delightful money in our country! How would you like to be a real live knight! Never mind that knighthood used to be reserved for only the most honorable of men (and that your business practices have always been anything but that)! We make exceptions for money...err...people we really like!

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  115. Re:like becoming a Kentucky colonel by thomasa · · Score: 1

    Sorry misspelled the great state of Kentucky.

  116. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what is this "British Empire" thingy? Is it like that secret society that the one inspector on The Thin Blue Line joined where you kiss a turkey's bottom on special occasions?

    Channeling Rowan Atkinson

  117. Wesley Clark? by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    OMG I misread that as Wesley Crusher...

  118. Wow by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Like I didn't have a reason to hate England before.

    LK

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  119. Re:I don't think anyone can deny gates has done go by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

    he is the single largest donator in the world, he pushes causes, gives insane amounts of money to AIDS research. he is a good person as much as many will have distain for his business practices.

    So if I steal lots of money from people, give a portion to charity and pocket the rest that makes me a good person?

  120. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    of the US constitution:

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    (emphasis mine)

    So, Mr. Bill could be Sir Bill if he can get Congress to pass a bill giving him permnission to receive it. As it is, he can only receive the "honorary" honour, so to speak.

    Recent American KBE's (according to my friend Google) include Tommy Franks, Alan Greenspan, Wesley Clark and Andres Previn. Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf and Colin Powell, a KCB, which IIRC is more exclusive. Of course, Reagan, Bush the First and Cap Weinberger got GCBs, which is a more exclusive degree than KCB.

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  121. Depends on your definition & definitions are f by FreeUser · · Score: 1

    So, a person that steals, but doesnt get caught, or gets let off is not a criminal?

    Depends on which definition of "criminal" you're using (pedants can look up the definitions online).

    One definition requires you to break a law, another merely to engage in acts against your society that harm others, and still another that you be convicted of violating criminal code of law. The latter is obviously a lawyer's definition, the others lay-people's usage of the language going back hundreds of years.

    By the first two, Bill Gates is a criminal (indeed, he has been CONVICTED of abusing his monopoly, a civil law which he has violated). By the third, he is technically not a "convicted criminal," though he is most assuradly a "convicted monopolist."

    In any event, his actions are "criminal" in the lay sense of the word -- they have done and continue to do great harm to millions, perhaps billions, of people -- and he gets a free pass because (a) he is rich, therefor Good By Definition(tm), at least in America and its satelites, and (b) he gives a smidgeon away to worthy causes, so he must be "good" no matter how many people and industries he's destroyed in getting the ill-gotten gains whose crumbs he scatters among some in dire need.

    Draw your own conclusions. I find his ability to get a free pass by giving a little to a few worthy causes to be indicative of just how much money can buy ... even admiration, no matter how despicable one is. Depressing, and certainly an argument in favor of allowing humankind to go extinct (the sooner the better, perhaps, though as a human I'd argue the opposite despite the infestation of the species by the likes of Bill Gates), but hardly unprecidented.

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  122. What British Empire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does Brits still have an empire? Or they are still living in a dream: "Once upon a time, it was a British Empire..."

  123. If you had any sense you still would by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But he's given enough of what he stole to decent charities that I say let him be crowned or sainted or venerated by the sort of people who do that sort of thing. As long as he keeps giving to charities, I just don't care.

    It is exactly that attitude that has allowed the status quo to remain largely unchanged, despite the fact that humanity has had the resources and technical knowhow to end all poverty since about the 17th century.

    As long as we get a few crumbs, we'll tolerate any amount of injustice. Add to that the vague dream that we may become one of the haves and enjoy the privelege of trampling on the have-nots that folks like Bill Gates enjoys, and we'll defend to the death their right to grind the rest of us beneath their heals.

    It's OK. He's saved a few lives here ... nevermind the millions he may have destroyed elsewhere. Be a good American(tm) and venerate him, for as a very wealthy man (never mind how he got there) he is akin to God.

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    1. Re:If you had any sense you still would by PoorImpulseControl · · Score: 1

      Come on now. I am no Bill Gates fan, but 'nevermind the millions he may have destroyed elsewhere'. Give it a break.

    2. Re:If you had any sense you still would by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Look, Bill isn't the most ethical business man, but to say "the millions [of lives] he may have destroyed elsewhere" is simply ridiculous. Bill's business practices do not kill people. Get a grip.

    3. Re:If you had any sense you still would by sideshow · · Score: 1
      It's OK. He's saved a few lives here ... nevermind the millions he may have destroyed elsewhere.

      Yeah, I've lost a term paper here and there becasue my machine crahsed, but I think Bill needs to do much more I consider my life "destroyed".

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    4. Re:If you had any sense you still would by cmburns69 · · Score: 1

      "...despite the fact that humanity has had the resources and technical knowhow to end all poverty since about the 17th century."

      What you describe would be utopia. I agree with your statement that we have the resources and technical ability to end poverty. However, what we do not have is a solution to the social problems.

      Achieving utopia is not so much a technological problem, as a social one. Each individual must agree to only take what is absolutely necessary, and give the rest to the group.

      Unfortunately, our instincts drive us to always try and be better than our neighbor. Survival of the fittest dictates that to our subconcious on an hourly basis. The most fit (healthy, wealthy, wise, etc) will be allowed more chances to pass their genes on.

      Utopia would be a very nice place; A people all working towards a common goal. But until society abolishes all greed, we will individuals who rise to the top. It brings to mind the Jack Handy quote:

      "I can imagine a world without war, without hate. And I can imagine us attacking that world, because they'd never expect is."

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    5. Re:If you had any sense you still would by Saeger · · Score: 1
      I'm constantly aware of my own evolutionary psychology, which kind of screws up what is supposed to be driving me.

      I'm already "wealthy", but I'm supposed to want to be "richer" than the next monkey so that the females will desire my more-powerful genes, but I've never wanted kids (or power) anyway, so I'm a biological failure.

      Achieving Utopia would require rewiring the brain, otherwise our selfish genes just fuck everything up.

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  124. A slight twist... by dantheman82 · · Score: 1

    They will opt to use a long horn in this case because this will qualify the British crown for Longhorn OS betas and free trial versions to Longhorn.

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  125. Re:Reasons for Knighthood by ffub · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately these aren't the reason's cited at all. The award is for his 'oustanding contribution to the British economy'. Microsoft's taxation of software has cost our economy and our government billions. This money does not go back into that economy but to Microsoft's coffers, though I'll agree with Jack Straw's comment that, "his company has had a profound effect on the British economy."

    If Bills gates wanted to contribute a little to our economy then he could give back some of the billions he looted from it.

  126. He hasn't made any sacrifices by gosand · · Score: 1
    But he's given enough of what he stole to decent charities that I say let him be crowned or sainted or venerated by the sort of people who do that sort of thing. As long as he keeps giving to charities, I just don't care.

    He has given a lot to charity. But to be honest, percentage-wise it is not that much. $1 million to Bill Gates is like $4 to me. (I have calculated it) You can say he has donated a lot of money, but it was no great sacrifice.

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    1. Re:He hasn't made any sacrifices by thelizman · · Score: 1
      percentage-wise

      And what percentage of your income have you given to charity?
    2. Re:He hasn't made any sacrifices by gosand · · Score: 1
      And what percentage of your income have you given to charity?


      Way to dodge the issue. (sigh)


      When people can't seem to grasp simple logic, they attack. Oh well, this is Slashdot.


      I have probably given a higher percentage of my net worth to charity than Bill Gates. But my net worth is probably in the red, so that isn't too hard to do. What you don't get is that he could give away 90% of his net worth and still live extremely comfortably. I couldn't give away 25% of my net worth and survive.


      Yes, he started a charitable foundation that does a lot of good. Nobody doubts that. But giving away millions of dollars is not a sacrifice for him. Period.

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    3. Re:He hasn't made any sacrifices by thelizman · · Score: 1
      Way to dodge the issue. (sigh)

      Had you actually raised an issue, rest assured I wouldn't have dodged it.
      When people can't seem to grasp simple logic, they attack.

      Attack? I asked a simple question. If you consider that to be an attack, then your scathing remarks on the quantity of Gates's charity is certainly an attack. So what does that say about you, that you think people of attack to be 'incapable of grasping simple logic'? Hypocrite?

      I'm going to ignore the rest of your pithy comments, because basically what you did, by way of declaring your own poverty, is admit that you don't give jack away to charity. Nobody expects a monetary contribution, you can certainly volunteer, and the average volunteer hour far exceeds what most individuals are willing to give monetarily. So let me rephrase my question: what have you given to charity? Because Gates's money buys computers, but people are needed to set them up and teach others how to use them.

      There is also this notion inherent in your derision for Gates that people are somehow responsible for the world they live in, and obligated to give an amount of wealth according to some arbitrary formula. That kind of socialist thinking belies the cynical belief that people are incapable of acting altruistically. And while Gates certainly won't miss the money he's given away, the people who are the beneficiaries of his charity are certainly enriched by it, and thats all that matters. The degree of an individuals charity is the measure by which others are enriched by it.
  127. Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean Andrew Carnagie.. Dale isn't evil as far as I know..

  128. This isn't the way... by dumpsterdiver · · Score: 1

    ... I wanted the Empire to strike back.

  129. So, it has come to this.... by gillrock · · Score: 1
    Now that Gates will be knighted by Queen Elisabeth II, this honor will fall the way of the MCSE certification and start to become devalued.

    Should we expect Linus Torvalds to be knighted around 10 years from now? Maybe RMS?

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    1. Re:So, it has come to this.... by daverabbitz · · Score: 0

      Hah, over here in Noo Zeearand, employers all seem to want you to have MCSE, yet I've never met an MCSE who can understand TCP/IP, setup SCSI, pronounce SCSI, or worset use a mouse. so there ya go it is still a recognised qualification.

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  130. Old news by Christoff+Ka+Sin+Chu · · Score: 0

    People, I'm sure this is old news, and I heard about this a LONG TIME ago...to the detail that stated he wouldn't be able to use Sir, but had to be KBE instead.
    CC

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  131. Knighthood down the toilet by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to having to earn knighthood through a lifetime of honor and commitment. I mean, c'mon, they hand out knighthood like candy. No modern knight was ever a Page, or Squire.

    I'd love to see Billy-bob wearing a suit of field plate

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  132. MOD PARENT UP PLEASE by Burz · · Score: 1

    Thank you.

  133. Gates is no Carnegie. by solios · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft might be an unethical monopoly, but is Gates complicit in the deaths of his own employees, as Carnegie was ?

    People of the time didn't exactly have a high opinion of the steel magnate after that incident. People aren't fond of Gates now.

    As an employee of the Carnegie Museums, I say give it a hundred years. We have Carnegie to thank for the museum of art, the museum of natural history, and the Pittsburgh public libraries. You think anyone remembers the labor strike?

    Microsoft can't last. What Gates does with his money, however, has the potential to.

  134. hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one knight I wish they'd send into battle...

  135. Groan by jrushton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not more pomp and tradition. You Americans might love it, but im sick of all the crap that goes on in this country. Why do we have such rubbish traditions here in the UK??

    Look at Europe - yes Europe, any European hating beer drinking louts (hopefully they cant use a keyboard let alone a PC). Simple formal parliaments, not morons in an old fashioned ornate horrible old building who yell at each other like children instead of agreeing when things are a good idea, and constructively working towards a sollution to things which need solving.

    Why does the prime minister have to follow silly old traditions where he goes and talks to the queen and all that crap? Hello there was a civil war, parliament won, and at that point we should have formed a secular, truly democratic state like france attempted at that point. But no... instead we have some horrible mess of inefficiency.

    Dont get me started on how if the royal familly has all their money and businesses, that MY taxes that I pay for working hard, are paid to those morons who do NOTHING for me!!!

    Knighthood indeed, he can have it. Outdated tacky traditional crap.

    1. Re:Groan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Erm, France was an absolute monarchy during the time of the English Civil War and Glorious Revolution. The French Revolution happened more than a century later.

      In any case, there are a lot of monarchies in Europe, and there would be even more if certain countries (e.g. Germany and Austria) hadn't been forced to abolish theirs by the vindictiveness of the Allied powers (and France in particular) after the First World War. Monarchy isn't some strange thing restricted to the UK, as so many ignorant republicans seem to think.

    2. Re:Groan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe me, you absolutely don't want a "true democratic state". If you don't know why, learn a little more. There are none in existence for good reason. Even the U.S. isn't a true democracy. Nobody with half a brain wants one.

      And the French never really achieved the goals of their revolution. The revolution took a wrong turn and they wound up worse than they started. They've been going downhill ever since.

  136. well done bill by JonDavies205 · · Score: 0

    Yeah, he deserves it, windows is awesome if you think about it, computing wouldnt be as big without him.

  137. Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by jgardn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a rabid Linux fan, and I detest every moment I have to test my work in IE. However, I have to say that what Bill Gates is doing outside of the computing world is nothing short from wonderful.

    I have a deep interest in education, in particular, how to solve the problems we are facing without throwing more money at them. So I am heavily involved in the school issues in my neighborhood, and I am organizing people to research things we can be doing to help out the district. What Bill Gates is doing to the education field is nothing short of amazing. Most recently, he said that the current high school system should be scrapped because it is a complete waste of time. I don't know any Linux fans that would disagree with that.

    He is also putting his money where his mouth is. I know that we are looking at getting some of his money to implement his plans in our own district, or at least in the final stages of getting the grant. I don't think there is a district in the US that isn't getting some benefit from what he is doing.

    And he does more than that. I don't know the specifics, but I know he is working in Africa and South America trying to help raise the living standard from sub-human to at least what we would call "poverty" in the US.

    That is what he is getting knighted for, and not for his achievements in amassing a huge amount of wealth. It is how he is using it that really counts.

    Now, I also realize that what Bill did to the computing world was nothing short of amazing as well. Before Bill, we were a sub-culture to be derided and spit upon. Now we are cool, and our skills have street-cred. We have Bill Gates to thank for that.

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    1. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      Most recently, he said that the current high school system should be scrapped because it is a complete waste of time. I don't know any Linux fans that would disagree with that. He is also putting his money where his mouth is. I know that we are looking at getting some of his money to implement his plans in our own district

      So you're scrapping the high school in your district? How did you get that past the PTA?

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    2. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by thesalodonkey · · Score: 0

      I'm just saying, it's a really brilliant strategy. For all the money that governments have spent on M$ products give them a free gift. It's a nice idea, a thank you present for the largest contributor to Gate's warchest (the govt). Sure he doesn't have to give anyone anything but frankly this makes smart business sense. It improves his image and keeps kids "hooked" on his "stuff." It's like when crack dealers buy clothes and sponser neighborhood kids they think will become big time athletes. Responsible investing, I think they call it.

    3. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The dude has billions of dollars - more money than anyone else in the world. It is really that generous of him to give small fractions of it away?

    4. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by imnojezus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm an Apple user, and I don't like Microsoft in any sense. That said, the Bill and Milinda Gates Foundation donated a total of $3.2 BILLION last year. http://slate.msn.com/id.2112691 His business practices suck, but I'd say that kind of philanthropy still deserves some recognition.

    5. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "Before Bill, we were a sub-culture to be derided and spit upon. Now we are cool, and our skills have street-cred."

      Huh? To me that's like saying that "Usenet was for nerds, then AOL came along and it was cool!" Thanks to Microsoft, all my friends think that because I maintain mission-critical systems for Fortune 500 companies, I can fix their broken PeeCees. Yeah, and maybe you can get a cyrogenic hydraulics engineer to unplug your toilet.

      That said, there's a lot to admire in Gates, and I don't mean his current buy-acceptance-with-charity jag. I'd love to meet the man; I just don't want to run his software. I mean, I'd love to meet Henry Ford, too, but I wouldn't want to commute to work in a Model T, especially one that tries to run the other cars off the road.

    6. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      So after giving away 10% of his networth, he has 29 billion dollars left. How is it generous to keep 29 billion dollars?

    7. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, that was just LAST YEAR you stupid fuck. He has been doing this for the last TEN YEARS. He has also indicated that he will give it ALL AWAY before he is finished. Is 100% enough for you? I don't see any of the execs at your favorite "OSS software" firms doing anything like this.

    8. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by manifoldronin · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about getting your facts straight here, and do think twice before starting talking as if you were holding the moral highground?

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    9. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by the way, why are the guys with the "Karma Bonus" modifiers always the most stupid people here?

    10. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Informative
      That is what he is getting knighted for, and not for his achievements in amassing a huge amount of wealth.

      Well, no. If you RTFA it says that he is being knighted for his "contributions to enterprise" and because "Microsoft software has had a profound impact on the British economy".

      This is the kind of crap that makes me sick to be British. I don't normally have a strong opinion on the Crown, but sometimes I wish they'd piss off. The knighthood system could be used to recognise truly great people who had served society beyond the call of duty. Instead, it seems to be used as a kind of archaic Oscars for "important people", basically anybody the government feels like sucking up to. Rejecting honours has actually become a serious problem: there was a story a while ago about the government maintaining a list of people who had been given honours but rejected them, and it's growing all the time.

      I'd probably reject it too - I wouldn't want to be associated with a stupid popularity contest, let alone Sir Bill.

    11. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Informative

      What facts do I have wrong? Gates has pledged a lot of money, but he hasn't actually given it. He didn't even give the most money this year: Slate

      And what is this about the moral high ground? Am I not allowed to criticize anyone with more money than me?

    12. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by p!ngu · · Score: 1

      How is it not generous to give away 1 billion dollars?

      10% of 30 billion is 3 billion, anyway.

    13. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      How is it generous to give away something you will never be able to use? I think Generosity requires some sort of sacrafice on the part of the giver.

      10% of 32 billion is approximately 3 billion, so he has about 29 billion left.

    14. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      As of 2004, he had pledged 37 % of his wealth. I don't think your math works out.

      Forbes

      Bill has not given, or pledged to give 100% of his wealth.

      I doubt that the executives of OSS companies are very generous either. I don't see what this has to do with free versus proprietary software though. It is a question of whether it is generous or not to keep billions of dollars for yourself.

    15. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by p!ngu · · Score: 1

      How do you know he won't be able to use it? 3 billion is still generous...I know I'll most likely never see that amount of money. Have you?

    16. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      Before he is able to use that 3 billion, he has to use up the other 29 billion.

      I have never seen 3 billion dollars, and I never will. I just find it hard to consider somene who keeps billions of dollars for themself a generous person.

    17. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generosity is not based on what you keep, it's based on what you give away.

    18. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, obviously, you must give large fractions of your own personal wealth out. Come on, let's compare. What percentage of your income did you give away last year? I'll bet it's dwarfed by the percentage Gates has given.

      Come on, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see your hand, see who wins here.

    19. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suggested elsewhere that generosity is based on what you sacrifice. And Bill has not sacrificed much of anything by giving a few billion off the top of his fortune.

    20. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      Who is more generous: someone who makes 50K a year, and give 10K to charity, or someone who makes billions and gives billions? I would say that one that makes much less, and still gives a decent fraction of his money to charity.

      I don't think the actual sum of money given away is that meaningful. There was no way that Bill could have ever used the money that he gave away.

    21. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      The honours list is drawn up by the Prime Minister, not the Queen, so complaining about the Crown is nonsensical. A more rational approach would be to complain about and Blair and vote against Labour.

      Personally, I think this is a deserved honour, considering how much Gates has recently contributed, e.g. to the University of Cambridge, and a triviality in comparison to Labour's horrid policies in so many areas, lies to the public, use of the state apparatus for party-political purposes, etc.

    22. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the entire point of comparing the percentages given away. If he's like most Americans, he'll have given away 2.1% to charity. Bill Gates has already given away more than that.

      So - yes, you should be comparing percentages. Just like I originally posted.

    23. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      No, percentages are pretty meaningless too.

      A person who makes 1 million a year can give away 20% and still make 800,000 a year - which is way more than anyone needs to live comfortably.

      A person making 50,000 a year that gives away 20% is down to 40,000 a year - and now they are barely getting by. That 10,000 dollars is going to have a substantial impact on how they are able to live.

      Which is why I said that how much you keep is an important factor in how generous you are.

    24. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by orim · · Score: 1

      Given that the alternative is to give it to the US government when he dies, I'd much prefer he give it to charities he thinks are worthy.

      Also, according to Webster, generous means "liberal in giving". Giving away $3billion is pretty liberal.

      And sure he can use it. He can start building a real-estate empire the likes of which you haven't seen. Or he can start heavily gaming the stock market with it. I can't even imagine what $30billion in cash could do to a company if it was used maliciously.

      And come on, I don't think that's fair. Look at it from a point of view of the person receiving the gift. If you gave $50 to a homeless man, would he not consider you generous? Might not be much to you, but to him that's like a month's worth of food.

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    25. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And come on, I don't think that's fair. Look at it from a point of view of the person receiving the gift. If you gave $50 to a homeless man, would he not consider you generous? Might not be much to you, but to him that's like a month's worth of food.

      Sure, and therein lies the problem is assessing generosity. Say Bill Gates kept all of him money, except for 500 dollars he gave to a homeless man on the street. By any reasonable standard, Bill is not being generous. Yet that dude that got the 500 bucks would consider Bill generous.

      That is why I suggested that generosity is only meaningful in terms of the sacrifice one makes. Perhaps that is not the dictionary definition, but I think it is the only definition worth worrying about.

    26. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nope, you're quite wrong. Generosity is defined as being willing to give; it has nothing to do with what you have or don't have. In your example, the 50K pa income-taker is sacrificing more, but he isn't necessarily more generous.

      Bill Gates is indeed generous, even if he still has tons of money waiting in the wings. The key here is that he doesn't have to give any of it away, and he does.

    27. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by OrcishSpacesuit · · Score: 1

      How is it generous to keep 29 billion dollars?

      He's not spending it on, say, a giant fortress and a bunch of henchmen.

      "Dr. Doom was cool. I wanna be just like him."

    28. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that the list was drawn up almost entirely by the Government right? Also the ones put forward by the Queen are vetted by the Government anyway.

    29. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by monstro23 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    30. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by mike5904 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His net worth is a good deal different from the amount of money he has. Presumably a tremendous proportion of it is tied up in Microsoft stock, and so there is a much smaller proportion of it actually available for his philanthropy. Besides, even if we look at the proportion of his net worth which has been donated to charity, it's still on the order of at least 10% (assuming a net worth of 30 billion), which I'm sure is a lot more than a lot of people here give to such causes. Now, I realize that he still has billions of dollars for himself, but no matter how you look at it, he's still given a huge amount of money to worthy causes. I realize that lots of people argue "If I had 5 billion dollars I'd give 99% of it away because I don't need that much money", but considering it's never happened, I get the impression that's a lot harder to do than one might think. Compared to people of similar net worth, he's still an enormously generous person.

    31. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      Poll hundreds of people with this question:

      If you had over 40 billion dollars, would you be willing to give 3 billion to charity?

      I am willing to bet that nearly 100% of the population would say yes. If the only thing that matters in terms of assesing generosity is willingness to give, then Bill Gates is no more generous then the rest of the people in the world.

      Of course that is not true, because you method of evaluating generosity sucks. In reality, Bill is more generous than much of the population, who would simply keep the money. What is interesting is that Bill is decently generous, and has so much money. It appears that very few peole have both of those traits.

    32. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your suggestion would be wrong. After having used the funding for (let's say) developing a cure for AIDS, the AIDS virus doesn't care how much you "sacrificed" to get the money. Nor is the new life granted the victims reduced or sullied by a lack of "sacrifice" on the part of the source of the money.

      This "sacrifice" trip is just a way to feel smug and self-righteous about the little you do actually do. It may stroke your ego, but it doesn't increase the philantrophic results one bit.

    33. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Chexsum · · Score: 1

      A modern day Robin Hood? :)

      I hope the sword slips! [blame the backdoors]

      Also, I spit on your last comment. FSF is doing more for the computing industry than any 'entrepreneur' could ever do - get your head out of the sand.

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    34. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by thisisper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Small fraction? Nope. He's publicly stated he will give 95% of his wealth away.

    35. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Which is really the most important, how the money is accrued or how you dispose of it once you have got it. Stealing from the poor and giving a percentage to the poorer, hardly compares to those willing to give their time and labour away free for the greater good. Then there is also the apparent need to publicise every pledge rather than donate anonymously, so is generosity or just an ego trip.

      I seem to remember that M$ was a bit better behaved when one of the original team was still alive, it does make you wonder where M$ would be now if the other two had departed instead.

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    36. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The knighthood system could be used to recognise truly great people who had served society beyond the call of duty. Instead, it seems to be used as a kind of archaic Oscars for "important people", basically anybody the government feels like sucking up to.

      I agree. However, this notion of using an honorable institution as "a kind of archiac Oscars" is not new in Britian or in America. In the UK, during the 1960's the MBE had been given to the Beatles. In prior years, this award had so much more importance as it had been bestowed on upon people of courage such as Spitfire pilots during WWII who risked their lives against the Luftwaffe. In the States, we also see the dumbing-down of instituitons with the rise of celebrities as politicians who gain higher office not because of their leadership skills or their insights into the needs of the people, but rather because of their celebrity personea. In the end, Sir Bill's knighthood is indicative of the manner in which the standard of valor and self-sacrafice that served as the yardstick for entry into such institutions are dumbed-down and denigrated. The saddest part of this situation is the disservice that this does to the memory of those who, in the past, had given far more of themselves to receive similar recognition.

    37. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by manifoldronin · · Score: 1
      What facts do I have wrong? Gates has pledged a lot of money, but he hasn't actually given it. He didn't even give the most money this year:

      What facts did you have wrong? Do you consider 10% of your own net worth "small fractions"?
      Pledging doesn't count? How about you pledge over half of your net worth now?

      And what is this about the moral high ground? Am I not allowed to criticize anyone with more money than me?

      You are _allowed_ to criticize anybody. Whether your criticism is fair, decent, and justified, is a whole different story.

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    38. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by betat · · Score: 1

      Yes... *sigh*

    39. Re:Bill Gates is quite a philanthropist by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      It took you two days to come up with this reply?

  138. Al Goldstein was wrong by Dammital · · Score: 1

    I believe he once claimed (referring to Linda Lovelace) that "only in America could a c*****cker go so far".

  139. not THAT Bill Gates! by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 2, Informative

    he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

    Except it's not his Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. It's his father's.

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    1. Re:not THAT Bill Gates! by CanSpice · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's Bill Jr's foundation, it's just that his father runs it. William H. Gates Jr. is married to Melinda French Gates, so if it's his father's why would he put his wife's name on it? And why's his picture on the page you linked to?

  140. British Empire ? by tealover · · Score: 1

    It still exists? Coulda fooled me.

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  141. That *WAS* you! Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Naw, you don't know this, but the OP is you from the future. I posted that message for you.

    Bill.

  142. Took a while... by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sheesh! First announced on January 26, 2004 and it took until March 1, 2005 to find a "mutually convenient date"?

    This certainly doesn't look good in regards to getting Longhorn out any time soon...

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  143. For Services To... by gidds · · Score: 1
    ...himself?

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  144. Sir Bill Gates to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neeener neener neener, Bill gates is awared knighthood and where are your Open Sores heroes like Linus and RMS?. OSS - gets you nowhere except the adulations of the screaming teens of /. (quick someone throw their panties at Linus!)

    So next time you say Bill Gates, remember to put a "Sir" in front.

  145. Please let this be a hoax! by Who_else_but_me · · Score: 1

    They're not really going to do this are they? I mean, yeah, he's made loads of money - but what has he done for Britain? Infact, what has he done for the Commonwealth in general? Just hope this doesn't give a place in the House of Lords!

    Surely the Pope should be offered one of these before Gates!

  146. Who's Next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Beavis and Butthead get their knighthoods at the same ceremony.

  147. Becoming by hkb · · Score: 2, Funny

    He becomes a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

    Will Bill and Ted be presenting?

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  148. Picture by fourlugas · · Score: 1

    OK Now I want to see the MS picture changed from Gates-Borg, to Gates-Borg head on a little Monty Python knight body on a shetlin pony with lance.

    1. Re:Picture by yoma · · Score: 1

      "We are the knights who say 'ni!'"

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  149. Let's clear up a misunderstanding by thomasj · · Score: 1

    An "order" is not given for good deeds or special herotic actions. It is a recognition of power and might. The other thing is called a "medal".

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  150. So, what justifies what? by QMO · · Score: 0, Troll

    The question(s) your post suggests to me is:

    Are evil actions justified by doing good ones actions later?
    Is theft OK if I use the stolen money for "good"?
    If I start out good, then become evil, is my earlier good cancelled?

    I would suggest that the good that I do doesn't give me the right to do evil. Nor does evil that I do mean that good acts of mine have no virtue.

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    1. Re:So, what justifies what? by mike_mgo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What actions have Bill Gates or Microsoft done that qualify as "evil"?

      Unless you have a really low threshold for what qualifies as evil then I can't come up with any.

    2. Re:So, what justifies what? by narq · · Score: 1

      I suggest that in most people's view, the only way to end up "good" is to be "good" all the way through.

      Bad to good:
      You yourself have suggested that Gates' misuse of Microsoft nullifies his later good actions.

      Good to bad:
      Roman Catholic Priests, once considered to be a humble and honored profession will likely never be able to move past the reputation of their peers in the eyes of the masses.

      You're absolutely right, good virtue is good virtue, and evil is evil, but most people won't see it that way.

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    3. Re:So, what justifies what? by pete.com · · Score: 0

      Is theft OK if I use the stolen money for "good"?

      It worked for Robin Hood!

    4. Re:So, what justifies what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He steals from the poor and gives to the rich!

      Stupid bitch!

    5. Re:So, what justifies what? by operagost · · Score: 1
      I don't think the original poster said Gates was good, just that he did some great things. Let's face it, everyone does nasty stuff. His is just a bit nastier and more prominent. Considering that his business ethics probably haven't killed anyone (yet), let's consider ourselves lucky.

      I hear philathropists such as Carnegie were actually pretty slimy too. I guess that makes Gates a classic.

      "Why do you call me 'good'? No one is good -- but God alone."

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    6. Re:So, what justifies what? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      The last time I checked lying, cheating, and stealing were evil.

      You are morally bankrupt if you think this is a 'low' threshold.

      The test you should use with Microshaft is ask yourself the following question: "Would I be willing to admit to my parents/spouse/friends that I as a person did what Microsoft did?" If the answer is no - then it is clearly wrong - even if it is technically 'legal'.

      If nothing Microsoft has done bothers you - then please share your name with the rest of us so we can avoid you because you will obviously be the person who doesn't return the power tools you borrow, steals money from my kid's piggy bank, and thinks it's okay to enter my home uninvited and help yourself to the food in my pantry.

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    7. Re:So, what justifies what? by mike_mgo · · Score: 1
      My name is Mike Ondic and please try to make an effort to avoid me.

      And if you think that your neighbor not returning your power tool is "evil", then yes, you do have a low threshold for what you consider evil.

      I'd consider someone like that an asshole, jerk and yes, someone I'd want to avoid. I would not consider him evil though.

      I reserve that term for rapists or murderers and Hitlers and Stalins.

      If your test for what qualifies as evil is what you're embarassed to tell your parents about then I suspect you would consider about 95% of the people on slashdot "evil" since most people here would not willingly tell their parents about all of the porn sites they have visited on the internet.

    8. Re:So, what justifies what? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      It is the actions that I see as evil. An evil act is a deliberate act that does harm to others - no matter how small or large.

      Taken in isolation, one event does not make a *person* 'evil' unless it is a significantly immoral act (like murder). However, many 'small' acts repeated over and over again (such as stealing, lieing, cheating) can point to the overall character of a person as being evil - they obviously have no remorse about their actions.

      The bottom line is I was focusing on the act itself, as informing the character of the individual. If someone does something wrong that is not heinous then apologizes and does no wrong from then on, I would not consider that evil. However, if someone continues to injure me over and over - I will at some point determine that the person does not have a shred of moral fibre in them - and thus will break off contact, or in the case of Microsoft I will stop buying their products.

      This is why Microsoft is evil - their accumulation of wrongs lead me to believe they do not have the best interests of their customers or society in general at heart. If you can not see that - then you either work for them, have a very skewed view of right and wrong, or both.

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  151. Looks good on a business card by Ridgelift · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good for him. That'll look nice on a business card, right next to his "Supreme Evil Minion" title bestowed on him by Satan himself.

  152. what again? by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

    just make him King once and for all.
    he already owns the Republic of Ireland.
    (not to mention the unswerving loyalty of many European Subordinates)

    I feel like culling someone's Corgi today.

  153. Ted "Theodore" Logan must be jealous. by jzarling · · Score: 1

    But this would qualify as an "Excellent Adventure"

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  154. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by dave420 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, the not-being-called-Sir part is from Britain, not Congress. As he's not part of the commonwealth, he can't call himself Sir. It's nothing to do with America or Congress or Bush or anything, but a British thing. He's a foreign foreigner, and as such, not a Sir.

  155. As if his head wasn't big enough... by Kymermosst · · Score: 1


    I'm sure this will humble the man.

    Then again, maybe his head will balloon to the size where he will finally float off into the upper atmosphere and suffocate.

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  156. the rich play, the poor pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks again for ripping us all off Mr. Gates. BTW, if you're so smart, how come you had to cheat?

    Hey Billy, don't you worry that when you buy the farm, you'll find you've sold your soul?

  157. It's not an "honorary knighthood"- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is a Knighthood- Reduced Edition.

  158. ARISE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arise "Sir Loin of Beef!" "Sir Osis of Liver," "Milk of Magnesia," "Quarter of Ten"...!"

    (Place appropriate head-bonking here....)

  159. Those responsible... by Howler · · Score: 1

    ...for recomending Bill Gates for this honor, have been SACKED!

  160. Royalty my ass. by kk49 · · Score: 1

    I can't believe the British have not given up on this royalty bullshit. When are they going to toss those inbreds out, redistribute their illgotten gains, and have a real(er) democracy?

    Also Bill can buy his own island nation, declare himself King, and have an army that would be the envy of most of the world.

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    1. Re:Royalty my ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and have a real(er) democracy?

      Like when Bush "won" that election? Oh yeah, American democracy... like that ever existed.

    2. Re:Royalty my ass. by kk49 · · Score: 1

      1. There are other democracies besides the USA, France had the balls to wipe out their royalty.

      2. I did say realER.

      3. He's out in 8 years max, and the next corrupt Repulocrat comes.

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  161. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by SavvyPlayer · · Score: 1

    Interesting, but 'Sir' is not a title of nobility. Noble titles referred to in the U.S. Constitution are generally indicative of political power, conferring upon the recipient taxable material gain (or loss) and/or entitlement to diplomatic treatment.

  162. Bill isn't a criminal, the government is by Autobahn · · Score: 1

    Until the government says that Bill's money is illegally obtained, it's his to do with as he pleases. That he chooses to give much of it away is indeed noble. If you think he got money illegally, complain about the government's weak penalties and monopoly enforcement.

  163. Appropriate by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    The OBE has long been interpreted as "Other Bloke's Effort".

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  164. Knight Commander? by crivens · · Score: 1

    Does this mean he gets to order the Knights that are littered all over the British Empire? Queen's Knight to C3!

  165. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's not a foreigner, he's American!! The queen is the foreigner!!!

  166. Movie Title by jgbishop · · Score: 1

    This must be the next installment of the "Bill and Ted" movie line... Bill and Ted's Most Excellent Order of Knighthood!

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  167. If this were only true... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 0, Troll

    Gates is only in the education field (if you can say he is into anything but cash) because of Apple. He only sees it as a way to hook kids on his products. Its called business.

    Bill and Melinda Gates (remember, it just ain't Bill) are doling out the cash for health and proverty. Oh, and BTW, they ARE taking it off of their taxes as well. Frankly, I think it's Melinda's who in charge of that area. Don't rightly recall ol' Bill doing squat prior to their marriage.

    There are true pioneers in the computing industry and then there are hacks like Gates. You can tell who is a pioneer - they usually are the folks that when they die people go "who are they?". Seldom do they self-aggrandize.

    Gates did little for this industry but teach it how to out-source. Thanks, Gates, you effing jerk.

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    1. Re:If this were only true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Gates did little for this industry but teach it how to out-source"

      Actually, VA Software, the parent company of this website is teaching the industry how to outsource. They even make a product that helps "offshore" development. Don't believe me? Go read the VA Software website. BTW, those fuckers at VA Software arent giving a dime of their millions away that they personally gained during their IPO in the dotcom boom. Neither are those smegs at Redhat.

      Personally I see that Bill Gates made tens of thousands of Americans very wealthy and has provided gainful employment for hundreds of thousands more. He also gives billions to fix problems around the world.

      So fuck you. Bill Gates is good, VA Software is bad in my book.

    2. Re:If this were only true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, as much as I dislike Microsoft, they did play a big part in the PC revolution. Whether another company would have done as well, or whether it was Microsoft's aggressiveness that pulled it off is a question for the academics.

      In the old days, you bought an IBM machine, with an IBM OS, and mostly ran IBM programs. With the PC, you had an IBM machine built with an Intel processor and a Microsoft OS. Suddenly, Compaq could make a machine that is just like your IBM and runs all the same programs - only cheaper. You now have competition instead of vendor lock-in, and the PC revolution is born in a thriving example of capitalism doing its job. Without the pure-software company, it wouldn't have happened, and Microsoft was one of the first to push that model.

      10 years later Microsoft was bent on being the vendor lock-in that was and is stifling the industry and breaking the capitalistic model again.

    3. Re:If this were only true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bill and Melinda Gates (remember, it just ain't Bill) are doling out the cash for health and proverty. Oh, and BTW, they ARE taking it off of their taxes as well.

      Do you KNOW how tax deductions work? It's not "give a million here, save a million there"; it's more like "give a million here, save $100,000 there". The net effect is that he's still giving away a shitload of money.

      The point is, his charitable contributions, taken alone, are definitely a Good Thing. Do they cancel out all of his Bad Things? No.

    4. Re:If this were only true... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      As much as I don't like Bill Gates for what he's done for computing, how dare you have the balls to crap all over his charity work because he can benefit from it.

      What would make you happy? If NONE of his work was publicized so he couldn't take credit for it? You do realize that large amounts of publicity can only help his charitable efforts right?

      Or maybe you'd rather he didn't write it off of his taxes. God forbid. Just out of curiosity though, I'd love to know the things you've written off on your taxes.

      Why don't YOU put your money where your mouth is before you crap all over the success of those who already have.

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    5. Re:If this were only true... by 3nuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know that any of us can comment on Mr. Gates' intentions. Only he (and maybe people close to him) really knows the intentions of his actions. In the end he is the one who has to live with his own conscience and if he's greedy and doing it just to get an extra $100,000 tax refund then that is his problem. If he's doing it out of guilt for being the leader of a monopoly then that is also his problem.

      In the end the "Teen Beat" article could well have been the brightest moment in his career.

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    6. Re:If this were only true... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

      Do you KNOW how tax deductions work?

      Yes, I do, thanks for asking. I give to charities every year and don't advertise it.

      Gates, on the other hand, does it and advertises it (this is par for most companies).

      Why?

      To get folks like yourself to go "but hey, he does this and therefore he can't be bad!"

      This is an old tactic used by PR firms to change public perception of a company.

      Or did you know that?

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    7. Re:If this were only true... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

      Yup, if what you said was only true...

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  168. If I had 42 billion dollars, I would give 41 away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a promise. I'd probably give most of the remaining billion as well.

    Bill doesn't need the money, and therefore, he's not being very charitable. The opposite in fact - he's hoarding money.

    He gives it away for PR while he takes over the world.

  169. Knighthood-Lite by legomad · · Score: 1

    lolzz zz

  170. Trying to buy some honour by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    If you had some billions of dollars, then what's throwing around a few million to get some positive PR?

    Some of these grand acts include getting the naming rights on university libraries etc, but all involve a lot of fanfare to boost PR.

    Let's face it, this positive PR is working. There are a lot of people who have their opinion of Bill softened by this.

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  171. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by devillion · · Score: 1

    Anyone can call himself what he want. UK may disagree and not reocognize/use such title but it doesn't matter if people do. (Lord British for example).

  172. ...Palpatine Calling by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    The emporer has already knighted him Darth Gater, sith lord.

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  173. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's bloody awesome. Gates is like a privateer, back in the mid-1600's, pillaging and looting. Gates is a pirate.

    An ASS-pirate.

  174. EVIL PLAN by j0e_average · · Score: 1
    1. Surreptitiously replace Her Majesty with an open-source look-alike assassin;
    2. Greet kneeling Gates with a smile
    3. Lop off his head with Excalibur

    Bill is dead. Long live Bill!

  175. This is pathetic by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

    really is...

  176. There is nothing honorary in the UK Knighthood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The true about Queen Elizabeth:
    1. Queen Elizabeth killed Lady Dy.
    2. Charles is not the father of Diana sons!, the father is James Hewitt.
    3. Lady Diana, the mother of the future king of England, was fucked by a muslim.
    4. The english killed the native americans, and the sourvivors are today in concentration camps.

    So, there is nothing honorary in the UK Knighthood.
  177. Bill and Ted? by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Bill S. Gates, esq? A MOST EXCELLENT knight!

  178. No particular point to the comment... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Damn, grandparent beat me to the joke, and parent beat me to complaining about being beaten to ):

    I however, will simply beat you.

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  179. Daydreaming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently [chop off his head] with a sword.

    Umm... wake up, it's only a dream!

  180. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by evilmousse · · Score: 3, Informative


    this is a restriction to hold public office. ordinary citizens are unaffected.

    i doubt there's trouble even when someone already knighted wins office, this is geared towards preventing bribary. does anyone know whether people have been made to renounce titles before taking office?

  181. your friendly pedant by mike2R · · Score: 1

    It's actually KBE.. we're British remember, we have a more sensible approach to acronyms.

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  182. Just a Knight Commander?!? by caudron · · Score: 1

    By now I'd think he'd have already leveled as an Anti-Paladin!

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  183. Bitter much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry the man is doing more for this world than you. It must suck to be that envious of everyone who does better. :(

    I'm just happy being me, and knowing that there are a lot of good causes out there getting Bill's money, regardless of where it came from.

    I mean, it's better than him building a giant ScroogeMcDuck style money bin.

    1. Re:Bitter much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One's value to society can be expressed simply as their contribution to society minus what of society's resources they consume. In a simple society, money is a good evaluator of the worth of either a contribution or a resource. But in today's capitalist society, money is a horrible indicator. Things like using monopoly power to eliminate competition do not benefit society as a whole. While a simple economic system would value software at the production cost divided by the number of users, Capitalism allows software companies to charge well beyond that. In this respect, people like Gates are a huge drain on our society.

      So while giving money back is a lot better than hoarding it (though he still hoards quite a bit), the fact that none of us reading Slashdot are the 'Captain of Industry' type that Gates is means that we are automatically doing more for this world than Gates could ever hope to given his actions at Microsoft.

  184. In related news, the CIID will probably pass by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Sir William H. Gates III and in the same day it seems that open source code in the UK will die. That is not a rhino next to your sofa. No, there is no rhino there.

  185. Gates's little inner voice by lutzomania · · Score: 1

    Excellent. Most egggscellent...

    1. Re:Gates's little inner voice by lutzomania · · Score: 1

      Surround that with

      See what happens when you don't preview?

  186. The dark side by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    clouds everything. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now.

    How can the Lord of the Sith be knighted?!?!?

  187. Unless you think about it. by Truth_Quark · · Score: 1
    Hundreds of millions of people are living in poverty without access to adequate sanitation, nutrition or medicine.

    Economic development saves lives. Millions and millions of them.

    Bill Gates' business practises have stunted development the world over. Hence: "the millions [of lives] he may have destroyed elsewhere".

    1. Re:Unless you think about it. by Politburo · · Score: 1

      I seriously hope, for your sake, that you're a troll. That is all.

    2. Re:Unless you think about it. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      What business practices would those be? What I'm saying is that any nation that is significantly affected by the actions of a computer company is probably advance enough to take care of their own people. In fact, one could just as easily argue that he is helping those people by his recent philanthropy. Some people may have been left unemployed or whatever because of him, but I seriously doubt anyone's life was "destroyed" (and in which case it would have been too fragile to begin with). Now he has enough money that he can do some real good if he wants to (which it would appear that he does). What would you have preferred that he done, played completely nice and never succeed in the business world, give every penny he made to some poor nation (in which case why aren't you doing the same), or what? Rich and powerful people might want to retain their place in the world (Gates seems to be wanting to donate most of his fortune to various causes), but they aren't the root of all evil.

    3. Re:Unless you think about it. by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "What I'm saying is that any nation that is significantly affected by the actions of a computer company is probably advance enough to take care of their own people."
      If it hadn't been for multi-national agreements that benefit multinational corporations. Did you know that corporations can sue countries for enforcing their own laws in some situations? That's right. Multinational corporations are raised above national governments and interests.
      "In fact, one could just as easily argue that he is helping those people by his recent philanthropy."
      Already answered by another post in this part of the discussion:

      "It is exactly that attitude that has allowed the status quo to remain largely unchanged, despite the fact that humanity has had the resources and technical knowhow to end all poverty since about the 17th century."

      "I seriously doubt anyone's life was "destroyed""
      So what happens when someone has a lot of debt, and loses his job because Microsoft bankrupted the company he worked for by illegal means?
      "What would you have preferred that he done, played completely nice and never succeed in the business world, give every penny he made to some poor nation (in which case why aren't you doing the same), or what?"
      Uh, if he would only play nice, that would at least be a start! But the money he's giving away now is pocket change to him, and a result of his illegal business practices.
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    4. Re:Unless you think about it. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      If it hadn't been for multi-national agreements that benefit multinational corporations. Did you know that corporations can sue countries for enforcing their own laws in some situations? That's right. Multinational corporations are raised above national governments and interests.

      I don't see how this is relevant unless Microsoft successfully sued some small country. In any case, governments are more powerful (at least within their borders) than corporations. The reason being because a corporation can whine and complain all they want, but they have no power (other than that which the state granted) to do anything. A government has a military and usually a citizen following, so they have authority. Basically, if Company X wants to sue Country Y then Country Y can simply ignore them (assuming that Company X isn't the sole supplier of a vital resource). It's similar to America's national debt. (Ignore the fact that it was designed at the country's creation to help the economy.) Say America announces that it won't pay anything back. What can the lenders do? Start a war with a super power with a superior military? Of course, it'd be international relations suicide to do so, but it does demonstrate the point I'm trying to convey.

      Already answered by another post in this part of the discussion:
      "It is exactly that attitude that has allowed the status quo to remain largely unchanged, despite the fact that humanity has had the resources and technical knowhow to end all poverty since about the 17th century."


      Actually, no, that doesn't invalidate my point. So Bill Gates isn't rich enough to solve all the world's problems, did you expect him to fruitlessly try (and thereby waste what could have helped)? Sure, if there was no politic/economic stratification there might be no poverty, but guess what... that isn't going to happen. I think any reasonable person can think of some of the reasons why so I won't bother explaining. However, even if we could do that, would you really want to live in a world like that? Despite not being politically correct, some people are more capable of success than others. Political and economic stratification will occur unless you forcefully suppress it. Of course, even by having a body that has that authority stratification has occurred. So basically, what would the point of life be? You can't do anything to improve your situation (because it wouldn't be fair to those less able than you), you can't do anything to help others (can't let anyone get special treatment), and no technological advancement can occur (no motivation since suffering is minimized, and all resources/education are equally distributed so nobody has enough to do anything meaningful). Of course, this is similar to a band of indigenous people. They only have to work 20 hours a week on average, suffer from little disease/stress, and tend to be fairly happy. Of course, we would consider that poverty because we're addicted to the benefits of modern life. Essentially, my point is that the world isn't fair, won't be fair, and it would be pretty pointless if it was completely fair. At least this way people can blame their situation for their failures instead of blaming themselves.

      So what happens when someone has a lot of debt, and loses his job because Microsoft bankrupted the company he worked for by illegal means?

      Like I said, NOT DESTROYED. Earlier you mentioned the poor helpless suffering masses, (s)he's still better off then them, right? Also, why does it matter if the methods used were illegal or not, the consequences are the same (i.e. does it matter if someone kills you accidently or if it was murder). Just because that person doesn't succeed that time doesn't mean that they will never get another opurtunity, and what if they were going to fail anyway? By loosing their job then they might have been saved years of fruitless labour. In any case, one should be able to move on if they loose their job, AKA life not destroyed.

      Uh, i

    5. Re:Unless you think about it. by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "In any case, governments are more powerful (at least within their borders) than corporations."
      You have not paid attention. Read Gangs of America. Read up on how countries have trade agreements that give multinational corporations worldwide power. If a country wants to participate in the market, it has to sign those agreements, and thereby submit itself to corporate rule.
      "Also, why does it matter if the methods used were illegal or not, the consequences are the same (i.e. does it matter if someone kills you accidently or if it was murder)."
      If Microsoft hadn't used illegal methods, it wouldn't have been where it is today. Heck, the company's entire fortune was founded on ripping off other people.
      "Also, does it really matter how he obtained his money? If it were obviously illegal then he'd have been caught. All that matters now is that he has it, and he'd donating it to help people, what's wrong with that?"
      So if I punch you in the face, rob you and your family of your belongings, then after a few years, I start giving a few dollars here and there. Does that make it right? Certainly not.
      "BTW, with your signature, I also would have modded it down (probably not as flamebait though). The reason is that, in the beginning, it was alright/funny/enlightening to criticize Bush. Then it became cliché/boring, after the election it was being a sore looser, but now it's just pathetic."
      Of course you would have modded it down. You can't handle the fact that people keep pointing out Bush's huge mistakes, lies, and inconvenient things like his strong ties with corporations like Enron and Halliburton. The latter got a huge defense contract without having to compete with anyone else.

      You can dislike criticism of Bush as much as you like, but the simple fact remains that he has fucked up a lot of things, and he is now in a position where he can actually fuck up the whole planet.

      Since you are so damn confident in Bush's abilities, why don't you point out exactly which of these statements aren't true?

      You can't, can you? All you can manage to do when someone criticizes Bush is to either get all defensive about it, or going on about how poor, innocent Shrub is being picked on all the time. Frankly, that doesn't surprise me, considering that you were brainwashed enough to vote for him in the first place.

      You probably still believe that Saddamn had something to do with 9-11, and that he really had WMD! Am I not right?

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    6. Re:Unless you think about it. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      If a country wants to participate in the market, it has to sign those agreements

      Keyword: "wants". If the country doesn't like the agreements then they don't have to agree to them. Trading isn't a necessity, it just helps their economy.

      If Microsoft hadn't used illegal methods, it wouldn't have been where it is today. Heck, the company's entire fortune was founded on ripping off other people.

      Like I said earlier, there must be a considerable amount of doubt otherwise they would have been caught. Also, why does it matter? You hypothetical statement doesn't answer that question.

      So if I punch you in the face, rob you and your family of your belongings, then after a few years, I start giving a few dollars here and there. Does that make it right? Certainly not.

      It wouldn't make it right (not that that really matters, the world isn't fair), but it would be a good thing to do. Would it be better to hoard the money?

      Of course you would have modded it down. You can't handle the fact that people keep pointing out Bush's huge mistakes, lies, and inconvenient things like his strong ties with corporations like Enron and Halliburton. The latter got a huge defense contract without having to compete with anyone else.

      I know Bush isn't perfect, but I still prefer him to the alternatives, and it is my believe that he is trying to do a decent job. The reason I would have modded your statement down is because it is an emotional statement with no support. Your statement wasn't original or even useful.

      All you can manage to do when someone criticizes Bush is to either get all defensive about it, or going on about how poor, innocent Shrub is being picked on all the time.

      I said Bush is being picked on, was innocent, and I got defensive about it? Basically I just pointed out how your statements have no support and aren't helpful. If you want to criticize someone, at least be specific. Just saying Bush sucks doesn't cut it.

    7. Re:Unless you think about it. by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "Keyword: "wants". If the country doesn't like the agreements then they don't have to agree to them. Trading isn't a necessity, it just helps their economy."
      Let's try to live in the real world here. Even the US can't survive on its own without foreign trading. You can't just pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist.
      "Like I said earlier, there must be a considerable amount of doubt otherwise they would have been caught. Also, why does it matter? You hypothetical statement doesn't answer that question."
      It matters because it hurt other people or businesses. It matters because it's illegal, and it's illegal for a reason.

      Or maybe I should ask you: Why does it matter if I stab you to death?

      "It wouldn't make it right (not that that really matters, the world isn't fair), but it would be a good thing to do. Would it be better to hoard the money?"
      No, it would be better to not rob you in the first place!
      "I know Bush isn't perfect, but I still prefer him to the alternatives,"
      Why? He has proven to be an incompetent liar who uses his power to force his religion on everyone else. So what makes the alternatives so much worse?
      "and it is my believe that he is trying to do a decent job. The reason I would have modded your statement down is because it is an emotional statement with no support. Your statement wasn't original or even useful."
      There was nothing emotional about the statement. It was truthful and honest. And Bush has tried to do a decent job before, and failed. Every single company he has run has gone to hell.
      "I said Bush is being picked on, was innocent, and I got defensive about it? Basically I just pointed out how your statements have no support and aren't helpful. If you want to criticize someone, at least be specific. Just saying Bush sucks doesn't cut it."
      What on earth are you on about? Where does he say that Bush sucks? And are you going to respond to the statements like I asked if you could do in my previous post? And are you going to tell me if you think Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, and if you still think he had WMD?

      Or are you going to continue being defensive and be unable to stand any criticism against Bush, dismissing it as "Bush bashing"?

      BTW, are you a true Republican? If so, why do you support a guy whose actions are so anti-Republican? Remember, Republicans used to be about less interference from the Government, but these days Bush wants laws for this and that, dictated by a religious doctrine.

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    8. Re:Unless you think about it. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      Let's try to live in the real world here. Even the US can't survive on its own without foreign trading. You can't just pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist.

      The US could survive a lot better than most countries, we actually produce enough food to feed our population. Some countries have grown dependent on international trade, but they could wean themselves from it if need be. China should show that point well enough (although there are economic disadvantages).

      It matters because it hurt other people or businesses. It matters because it's illegal, and it's illegal for a reason. Or maybe I should ask you: Why does it matter if I stab you to death?

      I'm not saying that it isn't bad when they do it, but if they did it and got away with it then why does it matter now? It's similar to putting an adult in prison for bullying someone in grade school. Sure they shouldn't have done it, but what difference does it make now? Unless there's indisputable proof that they did something illegal then there isn't really anything that can be done about it.

      No, it would be better to not rob you in the first place!

      That wasn't the question, the question was what to do with the money after the crime, not whether or not to commit it. Say I hit someone in the head with a baseball bat, with the logic in that retort I shouldn't take them to a doctor because I shouldn't have hit them in the first place.

      Why? He has proven to be an incompetent liar who uses his power to force his religion on everyone else. So what makes the alternatives so much worse?

      Ok, incompetent - matter of opinion (nobody has invaded us so he must be doing something right). Liar - a lie is a statement that is intended to mislead (at least that's what every ethics class I took defined it as), not simply an incorrect statement. Saying that Iraq had WMDs was based on what the leading intelligence agencies told him. In fact, if he said that there weren't any that would be a lie, because, while it may be true, it would be contradictory to his information and would therefore be an attempt to deceive. Uses his power to force his religion - I'm atheist, so I do resent that, but at the degree he does it other things are more important. As for the alternatives, Kerry couldn't seem to keep an opinion so it's hard to say what he would have done in office, although I did gain a lot of respect for him after he conceded gracefully (as compared to Gore).

      There was nothing emotional about the statement. It was truthful and honest. And Bush has tried to do a decent job before, and failed. Every single company he has run has gone to hell.

      Nothing emotional? Then why say it at all. Like I said, Bush haters still hate Bush and everyone else quit listening. It may be honest and truthful, but that doesn't mean that it isn't emotional. As for no support, look at the statement that probably got it modded as flamebait: 'if it's negative and it's about Bush, it's "nonsense"'. Most Slashdot readers seem to dislike/hate Bush. Comments that criticize him tend to be modded up, and those that defend him modded down. Seeing as that your comment contradicts this observation I would prefer to see some form of support for it. Your most recent comment ("has tried to do a decent job") has support so I wouldn't complain about it (or agree but that's another matter).

      What on earth are you on about? Where does he say that Bush sucks? And are you going to respond to the statements like I asked if you could do in my previous post? And are you going to tell me if you think Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, and if you still think he had WMD?

      I didn't respond to the points made because I didn't feel like responding to every argument against Bush that can be found, since I suspect that Google could provide anyone with more than could be discredited or confirmed in a lifetime. That said, the poster attacks the people that hold various position

  188. Not Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to watch Bill suffer in agony as he watches his empire crumble, bit by monopolistic bit, beaten by FOSS, as he finds there is no one left, whom Bill hasn't harmed with his practices, that he can pay off to support him.

  189. What's next for Bill G.? by cttforsale · · Score: 1

    The award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence....

  190. So funny. by Duhavid · · Score: 1

    Nope. So far from it.

    What gripes me is that he does things that are illegal, and gets away with it. Thats it. Just and only.

    Yes, I know, I have been trolled. I lost. I'll have a nice day. :-)

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  191. A classic case of misunderstood sarcasm. by HogynCymraeg · · Score: 2
    "(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
    It's a british thing, you know, sarcasm.
  192. A third way.... by HogynCymraeg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Two ways to end the war: (1) Kill all terrorists. (2) Convert to Islam. Unfortunately, diplomacy is not a part of either
    (3) Stop believing there is a war, when there isn't.
    1. Re:A third way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There isn't a war, but the cult of multiculturalism has embedded alien population enclaves within every Western country, and a significant portion of these populations hate and wish to overthrow the West.

      I recently heard one foreigner bragging to another that one day there would be enough of them to take over, and that then they'd make us pay (even though we in this little country, which I shan't name, haven't done anything to them except let them come here and paid to give them a standard of living they could never have had back in their home countries). Ignoring these people or pretending they don't want to destroy our countries won't make them go away.

    2. Re:A third way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There sure is a lot of death and guns and bombs for there to NOT be a war. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.

  193. What about William Shatner? and Adam West? by antispam_ben · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aren't these influential men also deserving of Knighthood?

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  194. Many, many different knighthoods by jd · · Score: 2, Informative
    Knights come in more varieties than American ice cream. Some orders, such as the Order of the Garter, are limited to somewhere between 20-30 members. There's about one new member of the Order of the Garter every other year.


    From the sounds of it, Bill Gates has the cheapest, most common knighthood that the Queen can bestow. The Queen gets to pick the honors on her birthday, but the regular honors list is dictated by the Prime Minister.


    Most likely, the Prime Minister told the Queen to give Mr Gates a knighthood, and the Queen told Blair where he could stuff his ideas, with this being the best compromise they could agree on. After all, I doubt they believe Americans would understand the insult or even know there had been one.

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    1. Re:Many, many different knighthoods by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm hoping to become a Knight of the Rose someday. I hear they get awesome attribute bonuses.

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    2. Re:Many, many different knighthoods by jd · · Score: 1

      I thought people got those from spam.

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  195. I knight thee.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    SIR CRASH-A-LOT.

  196. I can't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story was posted on /. and not classified as humor? Come on people. This was begging for tons of comments all modded funny. I mean geez!!

  197. Nee! by Shrug · · Score: 2, Funny

    We are the coders who say NEE!

    1. Re:Nee! by nsayer · · Score: 2, Funny
      How's this for a spelling flame:

      It's "Ni."

  198. It's official, we're peons to Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, now he gets validation for all his previous actions.

  199. EU by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    How does this affect the outcome of the EU lawsuits against MS?
    Will it have an impact on future MS trade in Europe?

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  200. Gates a Con Artist by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but Gates was a Master of Manipulation. He squashed many technically better products using monopoly influence and "lock-in" marketing. The computer industry would probably be better off without Microsoft. Con artists don't deserve to be knighted.

  201. Requirements by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

    So all I have to do to receive honorary knighthood is set an industry back about 20 years? I'll get right on that...

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  202. nobel prize next by peter303 · · Score: 1

    He should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his huge charity contributions to the world's children. Probably not until he retires from MicroSoft.

  203. Ouch!...will he still be a Borg drone though? by Z-Knight · · Score: 1
    "Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword."

    What worries me most is that when they tap him on the shoulder, they will cut away that Borg connection he has: http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicms.gif

  204. Tally Ho! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now he can join in the English pursuits.
    Can't wait till he comes over here Foxhunting,
    We can use him, instead of the Fox.
    I'll not mention the Beagles.

  205. Sir Clive Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahaha

  206. this post was... by th3space · · Score: 1

    nothing short of fantabulously amazing! ;)

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  207. The reason for this... by WaR.KiN · · Score: 1

    Bill's desperate attempt at being a real man...

  208. What to do if I were a knight? by murreyaw · · Score: 1

    This would be most excellent. I would either wear armor everywhere I went upon my noble steed, or start to where my Jedi cloack everywhere. I can't decide which. There needs to be a StrongBad Email regarding this.

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  209. means nothing. by jafac · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates getting Knighthood is about roughly the same as Yassir Arafat getting a Nobel Prize. These things are all rigged to be handouts for cronies now.

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  210. Good ... by operagost · · Score: 1
    At least he won't be able to run for Federal office now (per the prohibition against taking titles of nobility in the U.S. Constitution).

    Now, can we get Jesse Jackson knighted?

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  211. Hono(u)r by The+Monster · · Score: 1
    So, Mr. Bill could be Sir Bill if he can get Congress to pass a bill giving him permnission to receive it. As it is, he can only receive the "honorary" honour, so to speak.
    And Congress must have passed some measure(s) allowing US citizens to receive this hono(u)r. (Shouldn't that be 'honourary honour', or 'honorary honor'?)
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  212. Where's Ted? by Shoten · · Score: 1

    "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire?" What an adventure!

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  213. Billions Regained On Increased Productivity!! by dunc78 · · Score: 1

    Well, after having played with Linux for hours on end to build my MythTV box, some may claim that those billions spent on Windows have been more than made up in increased worker productivity. What took me 30+ hours to get kind of working under Linux, I had working in 1 hour under Windows. For most of the tasks most people want to do, Microsoft has produced a good operating system. Most people don't have the time or knowledge to edit *.conf files,compile source code, etc..., they just want something that works. I'm sure at this time you want to go into a tirade about how windows doesn't work because of how many viruses Windows gets and so on. However, if another OS had the market share that Windows had, people would be writing viruses for those OSs too.

  214. Most excellent by northcat · · Score: 1

    Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

    Most excellent? Is UK run by Bill & Ted now?

  215. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  216. rtFa by 4Lancer.net · · Score: 1

    Exactly how much money does on need to get you to RTFA and see that he can't use the title "Sir?"

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    1. Re:rtFa by ChaosCube · · Score: 1

      Um, yeah. That was my point. Perhaps you need some tongue-in-cheek lessons or something? Perhaps you could add a wee bit o' sarcasm to your diet and that would help to relieve your obvious constipation.

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  217. Re:except that ... it's used for Microsoft Marketi by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    1. Donate money to HIV/AIDS foundations, donates to Tsunami relief
    2. ????
    3. profit?

    You may have a point in SOME instances. Especially with the recent news that he said High Schools are "obsolete" because they are not teaching what employers and colleges want. I'm sure he will try to fit microsoft into the solution somehow.

    Personally, I don't think college taught me what employers want, but oh well.

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  218. Is this story 0wned by the Brits ? by ballpoint · · Score: 1

    I've never seen so much humourously dry (or drily humourous) comments... Thanks, lads.

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  219. GRRR vandals at Wiki! by 4Lancer.net · · Score: 1

    Grrr someone just defiled that Wikipedia entry right as I was reading it... I was reading the real version, and when I went to edit it, noticed it was changed to useless garbage....

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  220. pain in the ass by mattkidman · · Score: 1

    I dont really get how much geeks really simplify to good and evil, dude.. you CANT always do good, sometimes you get in the gray area, its HOW LIFE WORKS, in the REAL world.Linux geeks like to be a pain in the ass of bill, its like the media and michael jackson.. gosh. Gates really do wonderfull things for the poor, I dont see Jobs or any other bilionare geeks doing the same.

    1. Re:pain in the ass by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      Dude, take a prozac. It's a joke about Stallman dressing up in a costume...He doesn't really think he's a saint, and no one else (or very, very few) other people do.

      And it's not like every person that uses something other than Windows has a personal vendetta against Bill Gates.

  221. One Persons Hero is another Persons Criminal by idealego · · Score: 1

    Sometimes it's strange how the world works isn't it?

  222. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of the Constitution states:

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    Office of profit? Perhaps that means someone who controls vast amounts of money.

    Does this deny, and make unconstitutional Bill Gates's "reward"?

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    1. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by nsayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, an Office of Profit or Trust is a government position, not a private one. If he were a government official, then Congress would have to give its consent. Something that I expect, in the modern era of Anglo-American relations, is probably routine (how many American military officers were put on the honours list during and after WWII, after all?).

      And perhaps a britton can correct me, but I didn't think there was any such thing as an "honorary" ("honourary"?) knighthood. He's been made a life peer, which means that he cannot pass the title to his children, but is the "honorary" nature of it the fact that he is not a citizen?

    2. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      That's where I tend to disagree.

      We all can agree that Microsoft _was_ a monopoly (I dare not hold that assumption today). Monopolies require stricter governmnetal controls, and in general, must act in a reasonable interest of the people (while of course, keeping stockholders happy).

      If the governmnet allows a monopoly to survive, is that not a office of profit? By the governnment not taking actions to dismember the company, does not it lead to by sanctioning the company?

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    3. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Paddo_Aus · · Score: 1

      And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress...

      Actually, the prohibition in your constitution only prevents elected officials, and public servants from accepting honours. This derives from the old principle that you can't have 2 masters, or in modern terms, conflict of duty/interest.

    4. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by grouse · · Score: 1

      Here, I'll correct you. Bill Gates has not been made a life peer. That would make him a baron, not a knight. And there is such a thing as an honorary knighthood, which is given to non-Commonwealth citizens.

    5. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a foreign foreigner

      Or as us English call them, bloody foreigners!

    6. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Dontcha hate it when you *think* you know something, but wind up being totally wrong?

      In other words, I stand corrected. Thank you. I'll have to go look this stuff up somewhere and get edjamakated. :)

    7. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creepy crawler is as stupid as he is trollish.

    8. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by grouse · · Score: 1

      No problem. :) Wikipedia has beaucoup information on the British honors and title systems, if you care.

    9. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State

      (my own emphasis)

      It depends on if you count Gates' position as an Office of Profit. I believe "Office of Profit or Trust" is defined as an elected or appointed official of the United States government.

      "Normal" American citizens can receive a title of nobility. The persons cited (Reagan, Bush Sr, Powell) could not receive a title until they were out of office.

    10. Re:Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 by ProphetPX777 · · Score: 1
      'Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire Bill Gates' or Bill Gates KBE for short.
      Bill Gates adds KBE title
      RELATED ENTRIES

      From the Ployer.com news blog:

      (quote) "Chairman and chief software architect of Microsoft Corp., Bill Gates added the new title to his name yesterday when Britain's Queen Elizabeth, gave an honorary knighthood in a private ceremony at Buckingham Palace recognizing his efforts to help improve health and reduce poverty in the developing world.

      Mr. Bill Gates is not part of the British Empire so he will not be called "Sir Bill" hence the Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire title." (end quote)

      Now what I find most interesting, is, since I think the 13th Amendment still applies? 13th Amendment in our US Constitution, we could witness the formal and official stripping of Bill Gate's American Citizenship! (I wish as well that we could get rid of many of our favorite attorneys, or law-shark "Esquires"! :-)

      "In 1810 Congress proposed an amendment, the original Thirteenth amendment, to add a heavy penalty to this clause by this wording,

      If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding office of trust or profit under them, or either of them." -- from an essay about our US Constitution (Article I, Section 9, item link 69a)

      Do any of you think we should return to our Founding Father's American Heritage roots, reinstate the original 13th Amendment, strip-away Bill Gate's citizenship, disband Microsoft, and oust Bill Gates as a branded traitor? :-)

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  223. Bill Gates is a good man by NAACPsupporter · · Score: 1

    I believe that Mr. Gates is an extraordinary person. He is a great business man, promotes arts and donates his time and money to worthwhile endeavors. In the African-American community he is a somewhat of a hero. He has gone to great lengths to provide us with scholarships and jobs. You will not find many people like Mr. Gates. I believe that he is one of the greatest people of our time. He deserves the recognition.

    1. Re:Bill Gates is a good man by Archimboldo · · Score: 1

      He has become a mostly good man. But his past predatory business tactics remind me of Andrew Carnegie. Carnegie was about as ruthless as Bill Gates, but became one of the greatest philanthropists of his time. I'm not sure what it says about human nature. I'm rather afraid to explore that.

  224. Give the man some credit by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 1

    Whatever you think of his competitive strategies you have to admit that his contribution to our advancement is substantial.

    If you think the computer industry would be anywhere near as advanced without him and MS you are nucking futs.

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  225. GCB? Grand Cyphilitico Bastardo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    er, GCB???

    is that an acronym for Grand Cyphilitico Bastardo?

  226. Most excellent? by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 0

    Whoa! Radical!! *air guitar*

  227. Small question by Eminence · · Score: 1

    OK, so now Prince Charles gets to marry his long-time flame, Camilla (ugh... he has no taste for women whatsoever) and Bill Gates gets to be knighted by the Queen. Now, dear Britons, what would you say about becoming a republic?

  228. We can hope by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    That the Queen will slip with the sword. Off with his head!

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  229. Bill Gates destroyed British competition illegally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its a pity.

    Bill Gates has done the most to damage the British software industry over the last couple of decades and yet he gets a knighthood for it! Where is the sense in that? It is absolutely unbelievable. His business, through un-competitive and restrictive illegal business practices destroyed the UKs competitive market place for OSs and software.

    How about Knighthoods for the designers of the Archimedes, RISC OS, the Amiga KAOS that didn't quite make it (or was it CAOS?) in Cambridge and a hundred things more that could have been were it not for Microsoft illegal anti-commercial practices...

  230. What the hell for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What has Bill Gates done to warrant such an honor? Create something useful that no one knows about? Was it the blood money he has donated to children (in order to buy more of his warez)? Perhaps someone made a mistake in chosing the software robber-baron? I suppose Typhoid Mary could get an award for infecting the most people. I suppose John Wayne Gacy could get an award for killing 33 people (quite an achievement there). So now we have Bill Gates getting an award for something. Anyone have any idea? We know it hasn't got anything to do with his business or the computer or software industries (that of course would be insane).

  231. Honorary knighthodd whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The queen hands these like candy, soon I think youll be able to mail order one soon, but for now you just need to say "Charles and Camilla, What a good looking couple" and you'll get the tap.

  232. Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather amazing what illegal predatory business practises will get you isn't it? But somehow all that doesn't matter because he has enough money to be a small nation?

    It's like knighting a mafia boss for services to x who, once making himself a small fortune through illegal means, turns legit and starts a x company.

    This disgusts me, and worse, it belittles those that have earned their titles or honours for good reasons.

  233. 666 comments? by Bruj0 · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates to Receive Honorary UK Knighthood
    Microsoft
    Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday March 01, @01:18PM
    from the all-it-takes-is-to-make-billions-of-dollars dept. ...
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  234. Acronym Table by A5WKS24 · · Score: 1

    GCB = Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath

    KCB = Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath

    KBE = Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

    1. Re:Acronym Table by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol. u said most excellent

  235. upgraded to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the Blue Screen of Death.

  236. Reminds me of Sports Illustrated... by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 2, Funny

    The weekly bit enbtitled: "This Week's Sign that the Apocalypse Is upon Us."

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  237. Re:I don't think anyone can deny gates has done go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow people need to stop with the lame steal analogies. if u create an awesome recipe for a donut and then keep the recipe a family secret, and then open up a bakery where u serve said family-secret recipe made donuts does that mean u steal money from people that buy that donut? even if ur donut is so good that it makes the other bakeries go out of business because they dont taste as good or maybe they taste as good or better but only after u've gone through the task of adding all the extras like glaze, sprinkles, chocolate, etc.? if people buy ur product ur not stealing from them, even if it's only becuase ur product is the only one around/most convenient

  238. Re:Depends on your definition & definitions ar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was Bill Gates personally convicted of abusing the Windows monopoly, or was it Microsoft as a corporate entity that was convicted? (This isn't a redundant question.)

  239. Wonder how much dicount it got them for XP licence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably they got a few bucks off on the XP and office licenses for the most excellent title.

  240. Next weeks Knighting presents by Bruha · · Score: 1

    George W Bush

    Seriously it's like that woman knights anyone that comes by lately. Given the man has done great things with charity's (Gates) but is she in a compeition with the pope to Kight/Cannonize more people before the other dies?

  241. Since you insist... by patio11 · · Score: 1

    In the Soviet Union, fairies tail you!

  242. Internet's Osama bin Laden, he should be locked up by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Friggin' disgrace he is.
    He's the Osama bin Laden of the Internet and should be locked up for all the harm he's done, which by the way exceeds the economic damage caused by the real Osama bin Laden.

    MS-viruses, worms, trojans alone cost billions in lost productivity every quarter. That's not counting other security problems caused by MS' shoddy products and lack of security. Other platforms and software are largely immune to worms and viruses, at worst they are merely resistent. Then there's the lost productivity due to MS' difficult, labor intensive mainenance and egregious interoperability with competing tools. The competing tools do, in contrast, work just fine together, only Bill's tools cause trouble. MS' interoperability is poor even between other MS products. All that costs money and burns people out, which in turn costs money.

    What Gates and his company did between 1993-1998 was a crime, pure and simple. He and his flunkies took a healthy, wealthy, competitive market that was good for everybody and crushed it with OEM agreements, giveaways and secret API's. This is an established truth from the US trial statement of facts.

    To really put the damage in context, it's not like the company brings in any tax dollars either. It pays no taxes, so aside from campaign contriutions, nothing goes into the system. The mythical billions the company is rumored to be sitting on is either out of circulation, thus harming the economy, or fictional Enron style accounting.

    Lock him up.

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  243. Does the name "Quasimodo" ring a bell? by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 0

    Ding dong

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  244. Yes, but a *negative* impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you RTFA it says that he is being knighted for his "contributions to enterprise" and because "Microsoft software has had a profound impact on the British economy".

    Yes but it has been a profoundly negative impact.

  245. Forget "Knight Commander" by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1

    "King" or "Emperor" seems to be more the title he's aiming for.

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  246. Freebie? by Buzzwang · · Score: 1

    If they're just giving these away (which is apparently the case if Big Bill is getting one), then can I have one to? Oh, and a couple extra for my friends and my dog?

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  247. Bill Gates as Star Wars Kid by tooley · · Score: 1

    Something about that full title just makes me visualize billg waving his lightsaber around and making whooshing noises with his voice.

  248. quoted on GMSV by waynegoode · · Score: 1

    Deduct a few seconds from your 15 minutes of fame. The parent was quoted on Good Morning Silicon Valley.

  249. More like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gay Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the GNAA Empire

    Here is one example of his employies (that'll straighten things out, bwahahahaha):
    http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/2005 01/26/200501261 34336_MD/Frisell01_200px.jpg

    The article is found here in case you don't think he's m$ (although in swedish):
    http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/200501/2 6/200501261 34336_MD/20050126134336_MD.dbp.asp

  250. End Poverty? by Necroist · · Score: 1

    As much as humanity has all the resources to technically end poverty, but human nature is the most important barrier to that goal.

    So lets say one day when you wake up, suddenly everyone on the planet has a decent amount of money and a comfortable house. How long do you think it will stay that way before a group of people slip down the road of poverty again?

    People would gamble, deal with drugs, spend their money on unnecessary things, go into debt, once again.

    The originally-poor people would then think "Hey, since I've got some bit of cash on me for the first time in a long time, why not gamble it and start making more money?"

  251. Bill Gates should be locked up by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1
    Friggin' disgrace he is.
    Hmm. The topic seems to have touched a nerve.

    Bill Gates is the Osama bin Laden of the Internet and should be locked up for all the harm he's done, which by the way exceeds the economic damage caused by the real Osama bin Laden.

    MS-viruses, worms, trojans alone cost billions in lost productivity every quarter. That's not counting other security problems caused by MS' shoddy products and lack of security. Other platforms and software are largely immune to worms and viruses, at worst they are merely resistent. Then there's the lost productivity due to MS' difficult, labor intensive mainenance and egregious interoperability with competing tools. The competing tools do, in contrast, work just fine together, only Bill's tools cause trouble. MS' interoperability is poor even between other MS products. All that costs money and burns people out, which in turn costs money.

    What Gates and his company did between 1993-1998 was a crime, pure and simple. He and his flunkies took a healthy, wealthy, competitive market that was good for everybody and crushed it with OEM agreements, giveaways and secret API's. This is an established truth from the US trial statement of facts.

    To really put the damage in context, it's not like the company brings in any tax dollars either. It pays no taxes, so aside from campaign contributions, nothing goes into the system. The mythical billions the company is rumored to be sitting on is either out of circulation, thus harming the economy, or are fictional Enron style accounting.

    Ok. So what's left? His philantropic seem to be based on getting matching funds for purchases of expensive medications manufactured by the multi-national pharmaceuticals he has invested heavily in. The targeting of the so called gifts can also be questioned as they have the appearance of an agenda to persuade beneficiary governments to reverse policies promoting the use of open source software.

    He should be locked up.

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  252. Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First off, he doesn'y give only "fractions" of his money away as someone above claimed. He gives a lot more away then I'm sure you are aware of. You have a tunneled vision and base your opinion on the facts you know of. Which are close to none.

    Second, The US would not be where it is today without Microsoft. Perhaps another company would have done the same later on, but then we wouldn't be where we are. So if you enjoy the money you are making right now (and your not in the IT field, which you probably aren't) you can thank Bill Gates for making your job 100x easier.

    Third, he has done many "noble" deeds. Anyone who doesn't like Bill Gates must be a complete jerk. Do you have any idea how many MILLIONS of people are alive in Africa becuaseof HIS donations? Maybe he isn't out there dodgin bullets like other heros. Maybe he isn't fighting a dragon with a 2 handed steel sword. But his acts are just as good, just performed in a different way. Maybe you should do a google define on the word "hero" and read the 6 entries and then learn your vocabulary a bit better.

    Fourth, Microsoft ENCOURAGES competition. If Microsoft wasn't as big ass they were, there would be no need ofr othre software developers to push so hard. Thats a GOOD thing, for us, for the economy, for everyone.

    Anyways, thats my 2 cents.