As a hacker/computer security professional, I work daily to stay aware of emerging threats and computer security issues. I interact with people in both the public and private sector (read businesses and military/spooks). Both groups perceive the US government, specifically the legislature, as unresponsive, exhibiting misplaced priorities, and tolerating ongoing breaches of security by civil servants, our elected officials and by public agencies.
Congress appears to be - and has appeared to be (I'm dating myself) since way back in the day when the l0pht crew sat in the Rayburn building and scared the crap out of them with the infamous "we can take down the Internet in under thirty minutes" comment - unresponsive and downright clueless.
My question is, "Why does Congress appear to care so little about the security of America's information assets?" Alternately, does Congress really care, but legislators (okay, their staff) have no clue how to implement computer security effectively?
Or, is it all a charade - does Congress care, and the impression that computer security is a shambles is a well orchestrated ruse?
Yes, be sure to cut and paste your password hash from your account on your server at your IP address into Google so that Google will have it indexed by the time I search for it. That is, of course, unless Google (or whoever figures out how to MOM/PHISH the Google site first) stores that combination of password hash (almost certainly brute forced by now), userid, and IP address in their burgeoning catalog of "systems that are owned thanks to stupid user tricks published in/."
Passing out passwords, in any format, is D-U-M dumb!
This post completely missed the point. The Aqua Teen marketing tools (and I have a picture of myself next to one - they are completely non-threatening, even if you have no idea who the Moonenites are) were placed in several cities. Only one city's authorities went ape-shit, and only one city has public officials and "authorities" who should be ashamed and who deserve to be fired from their appointed posts. Cartoon Network, and it's CEO - regardless of his noble gesture - are both blameless victims of the idiocy and paranoia.
Personally I think that it's incredibly cool and noble of CN's CEO to take the step of accepting responsibility to save his company from long and expensive litigation. Other companies should be clamoring to hire this man as the head of their enterprise. I don't think that he had to or should have, but it's cool and noble and self-sacrificing and you can't fault someone for that.
Sad results of this public embarrassment - going forward, marketing companies' lawyers are going to make them put labels on all their public displays saying something idiotic like "This is a marketing tool, this is not an IED. For identification and confirmation please call 555-1334" or something equally banal.
The mass hysteria in Boston was caused by the overreaction of some uneducated plebe on a bus who saw something that they didn't recognize and reported it as a terrorist bomb. That person should be arrested for filing a false police report and should be held responsible for the payment of all expenses incurred.
Truly, US foreign policy decisions and a failed education system (which lines the pockets of the upper echelon at the expense of the children) have wrought this paranoia. The US population is ill-equipped intellectually to deal with the modern world.
Grow a spine, you lazy Americans! Read books. Learn. Inquire. Experience. This country used to be populated with great thinkers. Something happened - something called Television. We got lazy and lost our spines. This media circus - and all like it - are the result. Turn off your TV and start reading today, otherwise "pride" soon may no longer be a word to be used in the same sentence as "America".
AFA the part about "...in a post-9/11 U.S.A., the authorities have to assume things like this could be terrorist in nature and respond..." it must be pointed out that American taxpayer money pays to train these so-called "authorities" to identify potential threats. Boston's authorities all need to be replaced as they are idiots and cannot identify a harmless marketing tool as non-threatening.
Citizens of Boston, in the true spirit of your Colonial forefathers, I urge you to run those moronic "authorities" out of town on a rail or toss them into the harbor.
Yes, for now "Boston" has become synonymous with "idiocy" and paranoia. We reserve our pity for you pending your response to this embarrassment.
I'm reading through these comments and I'm thinking "Either a bunch of dumb kids are logged into/. or else common sense is severely lacking in the IT community at large."
As a hacker/security professional (and no I ain't no white hat) this is what I'm seeing:
"The author of Samy was bad and got punished. Don't be bad and you won't get punished."
Have the sheep really bought into the whole post-9/11 Fascism that deeply?
Let's see if the audience can handle a few simple truths:
Commercial vendors (and MySpace isn't a vendor, but they use commercial products) have absolutely zero interest in fixing security vulnerabilities. That's just simple business, kids, because security vulnerabilities cost money to fix, and businesses are in business to make, not to spend, money.
Security holes are out there, and unless you think that burying your head in the sand a la Southpark is a strategy then you have to realize that curious and intelligent people are going to find those holes.
Hackers/security professionals/intelligent kids are not going to stop being hackers/security professionals/intelligent kids just because you don't like it/are scared of it/are too ignorant to deal with it.
I swear reading this stuff has upset my insides. All the years I've been in the scene and I still cannot figure out why there are so many ostriches with no ability to reason.
BTW the analogy to the Morris worm is nowhere near accurate. The worm damn near crippled the 'Net (BITD), Morris Jr. *was* charged, and only the fact that his dad worked @ NSA saved him from doing time. BTW Morris is the original. FWIW Kevin Mitnick (Hi Kevin) went through more, got less out of it, and he was almost an entire generation after Morris.
How about we hand out medals and jobs to the intelligent researchers who *don't* maliciously exploit the holes that they find, instead of vilifying them and punishing them? Of course, that would require the people at companies like MySpace to get a clue, and something tells me that that's too much to ask from them.
Curse Sir Tim Burners-Lee for eternity for allowing all the plebes onto what used to be a pretty k3wl computer network.
Mea culpa -/me graduated from college with a computer science degree in the 20th Century.
Second, an observation - you went to a college with a crappy CS curriculum. If you didn't take at *least* half a dozen courses programming multiple assignments in at least half a dozen languages, you got ripped off buddy. When I went through my undergrad, I wrote programming assignments in ALGOL, BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, IBM assembler, LISP, PASCAL, PL/1, and SNOBOL. Now, that's an education!
I can teach you how to program in under one minute. Don't believe me? Here it is - start your timer.
There are three kinds of computer code - straight code, iterative code, and conditional code. Straight code is what it sounds like, serial instructions - do this, do that, in a particular order. Iterative code is repetition - do this, then repeat the same instructions until or unless some condition changes. Conditional code is a single or multiple either-or construct - if this, do something, otherwise do something else. Of course each of these three types of code can be combined.
Done.
Oh, did I neglect to mention the *syntax* of the programming language?
Yeah, see, that's why they have O'Reilly books and the Internet and... college classes to teach you programming. Because it's the nuances of the particular programming language, things like how pointers work in C or how you have to align memory data for assembler instructions, those are the bits of knowledge that constitute the essence of programming a computer.
Contrary to popular belief (as I just illustrated a couple of paragraphs ago), it's not the structured paradigm or the OOP paradigm that defines "how to program". Rather your expert PERL coder has the in depth understanding of the PERL programming language that allows them to craft elegant code, while your novice PERL coder does not know how to take advantage of the language and will write less efficient code. The same applies to any programming language - an understanding of the language (and to a lesser extend an understanding of how the computer processes the instructions (which is how printf format string vulnerabilities were identified) is what allows a programmer to instruct the computer to do what the programmers desires.
Just like a natural language, you're communicating with a recipient, and the accuracy of your communication is directly proportional to your grasp of the language that you are using, not to your recipient's ability to grasp what you're trying to communicate.
So, advice for programmers - you need to do two things, in order. First, research which programming languages are most prevalent in the field where you wish to work. Second, learn to program in that language backwards and forwards.
For example, if you want to work in banking or credit card processing you might consider COBOL (Happy B'Day grace Hopper, you miserable old skank) and mainframe IBM assembler. If you want to do k3wl K-R4d bleeding edge work at SUN, start studying JAVA (and pay particular attention to multiple inheritance). If you're going to do funky ASP work in PERL, read the Camel book and the PERL man pages and as much PERL code as you can find.
Above all, start coding and code until it hurts. Because you can bet that at least one person interviewing you for your job has been coding for a long time and understands the pitfalls of the particular language, and wants to hire someone else who understands and can work in that language.
Number seven: taking advice from a security expert whose great claim to fame is an ongoing quest for even greater hyperbole.
Jeez, Marcus, are you always going to be a self-promoting twat?
Marcus, your list is crap. Here's a list:
1) No one is watching. IDS, firewall logs, doesn't matter - no one is watching. 2) Most security people don't get it. They run NFR and think that they're safe. 3) Security is a low priority. Time to market matters. Security ranks below documentation and above performance tuning.
Raising awareness of network security is a good thing. Doing it with bombast and self-promotion is just being a media whore.
Okay, bought tiks, went home, watched the first movie on DVD (yeah, geek), watched second movie. The first movie presented a coherent vision, while the second movie does not. I suspect (if I could ask the brothers Wachoski) that my impression reflects interference by the studio and big money, rather than lack of vision by the directors. Replaying the movie in my head (a useful skill for a mere human), I can clearly see how the scenes were "storyboarded" yet the translation from concept to celluloid lacked the coherence of the first film. Agent Smith lacked the "dread" that his character so clearly exuded in the first film. Other characters lacked the conviction of their first movie counterparts (definitely skirting spoilers here). Summary: too much comic book and too little time for philosophizing.
The question of whether the pursuit of knowledge outweighs the governance of the masses has been argued since the 1960's, when the members of MIT's TMRC began screwing around beneath their model railroad layout. Today, forty years later, security is a cottage industry employing Amerika's best and brightest. Still, in other parts of the world, M$, RH, Sun et al are receiving free R&D from teenage males with much time and curiosity to spare. Is it wrong to hack in the pursuit of knowledge, or only to destroy someone's system with that knowledge? Where should the line be drawn, and by whom - individuals or government entities?
The debate of this topic can go on for an entire semester and never get any closer to the truth, which is that information will never again be free in a capitalist society. greater minds than us have tried and failed before. Good luck to your clueless prof!
Hmm...nothing in the above responses rates more than a score of 2 on the moderated/. list. Maybe that's what Mike means - the quality isn't what it used to be. Dunno, I'm too busy trying to fix bugs in ports that used to work when Jordan ran things. Hmm...
A long time ago in 1978 I postulated that nuclear fusion was not practical because the sustainability of the fusion reaction is directly proportional to the mass of the plasma. In the sun, the gravity of the mass holds the reaction together. On Earth scientists attempt to emulate the natural gravitic containment process using powerful magnetic fields which, by their very nature, require a power expenditure. Given the current stature of the energy cartels in America and abroad, I would happily see my theory disproved:-)
You might also have mentioned that you guys wound up on the Chinese h4x0r's site list a couple of weeks ago which, of course, creates some sort or virtual defacement loop.Not that that in any way refutes or augments what you've posted here, but I personally found it amusing.
Wait - I'm typing this on one of my FreeBSD boxen.So I'm not using Winblowz, right?But I'm not using UNIX, because FreeBSD isn't recognized as a UNIX variant by some stodgy self-aggrandizing standards body?So all those tapes that Bill Joy shipped aren't UNIX either?I'm so confused... Oh, screw it, where's my CPM machine?
D00d, on behalf of the Intelligencia, I hereby declare that we don't *want* the f*%king masses to have computers.Because when they do get them, all they'll do is start posting crap to/. and fc.com and the next thing you know no one will want to read through all the trash to pick up the few scraps of wisdom.
C'mon, people! We're Americans! They restrict *our* freedoms, we restrict theirs! This should be enough for everyone to get started. Write. Call. Mailbomb. Make 'em sorry that they f**ked with other peoples' liberty!
Registrant:
Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA2-DOM)
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW #300
Washington, DC 20036
US
Domain Name: RIAA.ORG
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
McCaffrey, Howard (HM66) hmccaffrey@RIAA.COM
Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW Suite 300
Washington, DC 20036
202-857-9618 (FAX) 202-775-7253
Technical Contact:
Dean, Christopher (CD7268) cdean@RIAA.COM
Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW #300
Washington , DC 20036
202-857-9616 (FAX) 202-775-7253
Record last updated on 27-Feb-2001.
Record expires on 09-Jan-2003.
Record created on 08-Jan-1997.
Database last updated on 25-Apr-2001 23:27:00 EDT.
You make this spurious argument about hackers being criminals, reasoning that if no one were curious and everyone minded their own business the world would be Utopia.
Ignorance is its own defense. Memorize that, because it's your fucking personal credo.
Car companies recall automobiles because design flaws make them dangerous.SARCASMShould we outlaw driving, or just repeal the laws of physics?/SARCASM
You connected your computer to a global network of humanity, represented by the entire spectrum from brilliant, curious innovators to - you, a moronic, simple-minded twit. Do you expect your betters to sit idly by to protect you from yourself? Oh, but you have a problem with Windows? Too bad, no one is allowed to understand it, so no one can help you!
Better grow up and learn that you have to coexist with people smarter than you. You must be one boring muthafucker. Promise never to breed, okay?
Why hack? Because we can. My only crime is that of being smarter than you. Disconnect your computer off and go beat off! Your membership in the Human race has been revoked due to lack of intelligence!
Old axiom: Don't s**t where you live. F**king with space objects, expecially the one which constitutes your biosphere, is proof of the Theory of Natural Selection. 'nuf said.
Don't you *get* it? That's why Linux is so popular, man! Everybody knows it's the bastard child of the UNIX world, but everybody uses it! You know why? It's Linus, man! He's one of them! C'mon, look at the word - Transmeta. Just like something out of X-Files. It's Linus, man. He's gonna have us using that bastardized Ext2FS on their slave ships! Rebel now before they get all of us! http://www.freebsd.org/
This may help - "The History of Hacking", a presentation I did a couple of years ago. If nothing else, it will help tie things together;-)
http://www.gilliss.com/presentations.html
I spoke with Mudge at BlackHat/DEFCON this last week, and the subject of Carnivore came up (I actually watched Messrs Perrine, Blaze, et al on CSPAN2 - do I get some kind of uber-geek award?) Anyway, Mudge's response, and I quote, was "I've got a copy of Carnivore, and it's pretty lightweight." I'm reassured by Mudge's comment and by the fact that the Representatives' questions, especially Messrs Watt and Nadler, were germane to the testimony. I'd say freedom's safe for the time being, but let's not get complacent, either!
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Dear Rep. Langevin:
As a hacker/computer security professional, I work daily to stay aware of emerging threats and computer security issues. I interact with people in both the public and private sector (read businesses and military/spooks). Both groups perceive the US government, specifically the legislature, as unresponsive, exhibiting misplaced priorities, and tolerating ongoing breaches of security by civil servants, our elected officials and by public agencies.
Congress appears to be - and has appeared to be (I'm dating myself) since way back in the day when the l0pht crew sat in the Rayburn building and scared the crap out of them with the infamous "we can take down the Internet in under thirty minutes" comment - unresponsive and downright clueless.
My question is, "Why does Congress appear to care so little about the security of America's information assets?" Alternately, does Congress really care, but legislators (okay, their staff) have no clue how to implement computer security effectively?
Or, is it all a charade - does Congress care, and the impression that computer security is a shambles is a well orchestrated ruse?
=;^)
(AKA Ev1l Wrangl3r)
Yes, be sure to cut and paste your password hash from your account on your server at your IP address into Google so that Google will have it indexed by the time I search for it. That is, of course, unless Google (or whoever figures out how to MOM/PHISH the Google site first) stores that combination of password hash (almost certainly brute forced by now), userid, and IP address in their burgeoning catalog of "systems that are owned thanks to stupid user tricks published in /."
Passing out passwords, in any format, is D-U-M dumb!
=:^)
This post completely missed the point. The Aqua Teen marketing tools (and I have a picture of myself next to one - they are completely non-threatening, even if you have no idea who the Moonenites are) were placed in several cities. Only one city's authorities went ape-shit, and only one city has public officials and "authorities" who should be ashamed and who deserve to be fired from their appointed posts. Cartoon Network, and it's CEO - regardless of his noble gesture - are both blameless victims of the idiocy and paranoia.
..." it must be pointed out that American taxpayer money pays to train these so-called "authorities" to identify potential threats. Boston's authorities all need to be replaced as they are idiots and cannot identify a harmless marketing tool as non-threatening.
Personally I think that it's incredibly cool and noble of CN's CEO to take the step of accepting responsibility to save his company from long and expensive litigation. Other companies should be clamoring to hire this man as the head of their enterprise. I don't think that he had to or should have, but it's cool and noble and self-sacrificing and you can't fault someone for that.
Sad results of this public embarrassment - going forward, marketing companies' lawyers are going to make them put labels on all their public displays saying something idiotic like "This is a marketing tool, this is not an IED. For identification and confirmation please call 555-1334" or something equally banal.
The mass hysteria in Boston was caused by the overreaction of some uneducated plebe on a bus who saw something that they didn't recognize and reported it as a terrorist bomb. That person should be arrested for filing a false police report and should be held responsible for the payment of all expenses incurred.
Truly, US foreign policy decisions and a failed education system (which lines the pockets of the upper echelon at the expense of the children) have wrought this paranoia. The US population is ill-equipped intellectually to deal with the modern world.
Grow a spine, you lazy Americans! Read books. Learn. Inquire. Experience. This country used to be populated with great thinkers. Something happened - something called Television. We got lazy and lost our spines. This media circus - and all like it - are the result. Turn off your TV and start reading today, otherwise "pride" soon may no longer be a word to be used in the same sentence as "America".
AFA the part about "...in a post-9/11 U.S.A., the authorities have to assume things like this could be terrorist in nature and respond
Citizens of Boston, in the true spirit of your Colonial forefathers, I urge you to run those moronic "authorities" out of town on a rail or toss them into the harbor.
Yes, for now "Boston" has become synonymous with "idiocy" and paranoia. We reserve our pity for you pending your response to this embarrassment.
=;^)
I'm reading through these comments and I'm thinking "Either a bunch of dumb kids are logged into /. or else common sense is severely lacking in the IT community at large."
As a hacker/security professional (and no I ain't no white hat) this is what I'm seeing:
"The author of Samy was bad and got punished. Don't be bad and you won't get punished."
Have the sheep really bought into the whole post-9/11 Fascism that deeply?
Let's see if the audience can handle a few simple truths:
Commercial vendors (and MySpace isn't a vendor, but they use commercial products) have absolutely zero interest in fixing security vulnerabilities. That's just simple business, kids, because security vulnerabilities cost money to fix, and businesses are in business to make, not to spend, money.
Security holes are out there, and unless you think that burying your head in the sand a la Southpark is a strategy then you have to realize that curious and intelligent people are going to find those holes.
Hackers/security professionals/intelligent kids are not going to stop being hackers/security professionals/intelligent kids just because you don't like it/are scared of it/are too ignorant to deal with it.
I swear reading this stuff has upset my insides. All the years I've been in the scene and I still cannot figure out why there are so many ostriches with no ability to reason.
BTW the analogy to the Morris worm is nowhere near accurate. The worm damn near crippled the 'Net (BITD), Morris Jr. *was* charged, and only the fact that his dad worked @ NSA saved him from doing time. BTW Morris is the original. FWIW Kevin Mitnick (Hi Kevin) went through more, got less out of it, and he was almost an entire generation after Morris.
How about we hand out medals and jobs to the intelligent researchers who *don't* maliciously exploit the holes that they find, instead of vilifying them and punishing them? Of course, that would require the people at companies like MySpace to get a clue, and something tells me that that's too much to ask from them.
Curse Sir Tim Burners-Lee for eternity for allowing all the plebes onto what used to be a pretty k3wl computer network.
=;^)
Mea culpa - /me graduated from college with a computer science degree in the 20th Century.
... college classes to teach you programming. Because it's the nuances of the particular programming language, things like how pointers work in C or how you have to align memory data for assembler instructions, those are the bits of knowledge that constitute the essence of programming a
Second, an observation - you went to a college with a crappy CS curriculum. If you didn't take at *least* half a dozen courses programming multiple assignments in at least half a dozen languages, you got ripped off buddy. When I went through my undergrad, I wrote programming assignments in ALGOL, BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, IBM assembler, LISP, PASCAL, PL/1, and SNOBOL. Now, that's an education!
I can teach you how to program in under one minute. Don't believe me? Here it is - start your timer.
There are three kinds of computer code - straight code, iterative code,
and conditional code. Straight code is what it sounds like, serial
instructions - do this, do that, in a particular order. Iterative code
is repetition - do this, then repeat the same instructions until or
unless some condition changes. Conditional code is a single or multiple
either-or construct - if this, do something, otherwise do something
else. Of course each of these three types of code can be combined.
Done.
Oh, did I neglect to mention the *syntax* of the programming language?
Yeah, see, that's why they have O'Reilly books and the Internet and
computer.
Contrary to popular belief (as I just illustrated a couple of paragraphs ago), it's not the structured paradigm or the OOP paradigm that defines "how to program". Rather your expert PERL coder has the in depth understanding of the PERL programming language that allows them to craft elegant code, while your novice PERL coder does not know how to take advantage of the language and will write less efficient code. The same applies to any programming language - an understanding of the language (and to a lesser extend an understanding of how the computer processes the instructions (which is how printf format string vulnerabilities were identified) is what allows a programmer to instruct the computer to do what the programmers desires.
Just like a natural language, you're communicating with a recipient, and the accuracy of your communication is directly proportional to your grasp of the language that you are using, not to your recipient's ability to grasp what you're trying to communicate.
So, advice for programmers - you need to do two things, in order. First, research which programming languages are most prevalent in the field where you wish to work. Second, learn to program in that language backwards and forwards.
For example, if you want to work in banking or credit card processing you might consider COBOL (Happy B'Day grace Hopper, you miserable old skank) and mainframe IBM assembler. If you want to do k3wl K-R4d bleeding edge work at SUN, start studying JAVA (and pay particular attention to multiple inheritance). If you're going to do funky ASP work in PERL, read the Camel book and the PERL man pages and as much PERL code as you can find.
Above all, start coding and code until it hurts. Because you can bet that at least one person interviewing you for your job has been coding for a long time and understands the pitfalls of the particular language, and wants to hire someone else who understands and can work in that language.
=;^)
Number seven: taking advice from a security expert whose great claim to fame is an ongoing quest for even greater hyperbole.
Jeez, Marcus, are you always going to be a self-promoting twat?
Marcus, your list is crap. Here's a list:
1) No one is watching. IDS, firewall logs, doesn't matter - no one is watching.
2) Most security people don't get it. They run NFR and think that they're safe.
3) Security is a low priority. Time to market matters. Security ranks below documentation and above performance tuning.
Raising awareness of network security is a good thing. Doing it with bombast and self-promotion is just being a media whore.
='^)
Okay, bought tiks, went home, watched the first movie on DVD (yeah, geek), watched second movie. The first movie presented a coherent vision, while the second movie does not. I suspect (if I could ask the brothers Wachoski) that my impression reflects interference by the studio and big money, rather than lack of vision by the directors. Replaying the movie in my head (a useful skill for a mere human), I can clearly see how the scenes were "storyboarded" yet the translation from concept to celluloid lacked the coherence of the first film. Agent Smith lacked the "dread" that his character so clearly exuded in the first film. Other characters lacked the conviction of their first movie counterparts (definitely skirting spoilers here). Summary: too much comic book and too little time for philosophizing.
D00d, *always* tee your boss's mail spool - it's for his own good, especially if he's weak and needs guidance ;-)
The question of whether the pursuit of knowledge outweighs the governance of the masses has been argued since the 1960's, when the members of MIT's TMRC began screwing around beneath their model railroad layout. Today, forty years later, security is a cottage industry employing Amerika's best and brightest. Still, in other parts of the world, M$, RH, Sun et al are receiving free R&D from teenage males with much time and curiosity to spare. Is it wrong to hack in the pursuit of knowledge, or only to destroy someone's system with that knowledge? Where should the line be drawn, and by whom - individuals or government entities? The debate of this topic can go on for an entire semester and never get any closer to the truth, which is that information will never again be free in a capitalist society. greater minds than us have tried and failed before. Good luck to your clueless prof!
Hmm...nothing in the above responses rates more than a score of 2 on the moderated /. list. Maybe that's what Mike means - the quality isn't what it used to be. Dunno, I'm too busy trying to fix bugs in ports that used to work when Jordan ran things. Hmm...
A long time ago in 1978 I postulated that nuclear fusion was not practical because the sustainability of the fusion reaction is directly proportional to the mass of the plasma. In the sun, the gravity of the mass holds the reaction together. On Earth scientists attempt to emulate the natural gravitic containment process using powerful magnetic fields which, by their very nature, require a power expenditure. Given the current stature of the energy cartels in America and abroad, I would happily see my theory disproved :-)
B/J/M:
You might also have mentioned that you guys wound up on the Chinese h4x0r's site list a couple of weeks ago which, of course, creates some sort or virtual defacement loop.Not that that in any way refutes or augments what you've posted here, but I personally found it amusing.
=;^)
Wait - I'm typing this on one of my FreeBSD boxen.So I'm not using Winblowz, right?But I'm not using UNIX, because FreeBSD isn't recognized as a UNIX variant by some stodgy self-aggrandizing standards body?So all those tapes that Bill Joy shipped aren't UNIX either?I'm so confused ...
Oh, screw it, where's my CPM machine?
D00d, on behalf of the Intelligencia, I hereby declare that we don't *want* the f*%king masses to have computers.Because when they do get them, all they'll do is start posting crap to /. and fc.com and the next thing you know no one will want to read through all the trash to pick up the few scraps of wisdom.
Oh wait
C'mon, people! We're Americans! They restrict *our* freedoms, we restrict theirs! This should be enough for everyone to get started. Write. Call. Mailbomb. Make 'em sorry that they f**ked with other peoples' liberty!
Registrant:
Recording Industry Association of America
(RIAA2-DOM)
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW #300
Washington, DC 20036
US
Domain Name: RIAA.ORG
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
McCaffrey, Howard (HM66) hmccaffrey@RIAA.COM
Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW Suite 300
Washington, DC 20036
202-857-9618 (FAX) 202-775-7253
Technical Contact:
Dean, Christopher (CD7268) cdean@RIAA.COM
Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW #300
Washington , DC 20036
202-857-9616 (FAX) 202-775-7253
Record last updated on 27-Feb-2001.
Record expires on 09-Jan-2003.
Record created on 08-Jan-1997.
Database last updated on 25-Apr-2001 23:27:00 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
PDNS1.ISC.CW.NET&nbs p; 208.134.245.2
PDNS3.ISC.CW.NET&nbs p; 208.134.245.10
NS4.CW.NET&nbs p; 204.70.4 9.234
slashdot % traceroute -n 208.134.245.2
traceroute to 208.134.245.2 (208.134.245.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
...
17208.134.242.20989.558 ms90.012 ms95.870 ms
18208.134.242.11095.463 ms !X94.116 ms !X89.937 ms !X
Oh, look!A firewall!Guess they're safe, huh?
Y'know, f yer g0nna wr1t3 sh1t in ha40rsp33k y'0ughta l3rn 2 sp3ll, d00d ;-)
wr1t3 th33z 10x =;^)
h-4-x-0-r
3-1-3-3-t
p-u-5-5-1-3
LOL
God, I hate weak moralists like you...
You make this spurious argument about hackers being criminals, reasoning that if no one were curious and everyone minded their own business the world would be Utopia.
Ignorance is its own defense. Memorize that, because it's your fucking personal credo.
Car companies recall automobiles because design flaws make them dangerous.SARCASMShould we outlaw driving, or just repeal the laws of physics?/SARCASM
You connected your computer to a global network of humanity, represented by the entire spectrum from brilliant, curious innovators to - you, a moronic, simple-minded twit. Do you expect your betters to sit idly by to protect you from yourself? Oh, but you have a problem with Windows? Too bad, no one is allowed to understand it, so no one can help you!
Better grow up and learn that you have to coexist with people smarter than you. You must be one boring muthafucker. Promise never to breed, okay?
Why hack? Because we can. My only crime is that of being smarter than you. Disconnect your computer off and go beat off! Your membership in the Human race has been revoked due to lack of intelligence!
God, I hate weak moralists like you ...
/FLAME
Old axiom: Don't s**t where you live. F**king with space objects, expecially the one which constitutes your biosphere, is proof of the Theory of Natural Selection. 'nuf said.
Don't you *get* it? That's why Linux is so popular, man! Everybody knows it's the bastard child of the UNIX world, but everybody uses it! You know why? It's Linus, man! He's one of them! C'mon, look at the word - Transmeta. Just like something out of X-Files. It's Linus, man. He's gonna have us using that bastardized Ext2FS on their slave ships! Rebel now before they get all of us! http://www.freebsd.org/
This may help - "The History of Hacking", a presentation I did a couple of years ago. If nothing else, it will help tie things together ;-)
http://www.gilliss.com/presentations.html
I spoke with Mudge at BlackHat/DEFCON this last week, and the subject of Carnivore came up (I actually watched Messrs Perrine, Blaze, et al on CSPAN2 - do I get some kind of uber-geek award?) Anyway, Mudge's response, and I quote, was "I've got a copy of Carnivore, and it's pretty lightweight." I'm reassured by Mudge's comment and by the fact that the Representatives' questions, especially Messrs Watt and Nadler, were germane to the testimony. I'd say freedom's safe for the time being, but let's not get complacent, either!