Does the Acercome bundled with $1700 software like your Osborne did?
(Putting aside for a second the nagging question of why MBASIC, CBASIC, WordStar and SuperCalc cost so much, even then...)
DISCLAIMER: My Osborne 1 sits in a closet, gathering dust, but I still look at it longingly from time to time...and JRT pascal wasn't bad at all, nor was the FORTH implementation (which rocked!)
We'd like to do NetBSD but we're not sure it would work on the Dell 2650. If it will in fact work, and you're interested in running the benchmarks for that, please let us know.
If they can't get the 2650 to work, I'll donate my toaster-oven.
Let's see here....Israel has a population of, what, 6 or 7 million? Assuming that 1% of the population buys MS office (and that is HUGE, if you think about it), that's 60-70k copies of MS office sold. At $500 a pop (say) we're talking $30-40 MM of lost revenues.
Compare that to the rest of MS revenues and see what that means.
Oh. My. Dog. You recommended a book by a MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE? Heresy! (HHOS.)
Actually, McConnell has a whole slew of good books out, Code Complete being only one of them. He even has a book on rapid development, that is also mighty good.
It's all been said before by more famous Unix haters (links to Microsoft, 'natch).
I'm surprised Joel didn't take on some other major differences:
Monolithic versus small parts
Just works versus elegant (but might not work)
GUI-oriented versus service-oriented
et cetera
Joel is right on the money here, though: there is a major "cultural" difference between Windows and Unix programmers -- my workplace hires both types and they're quite a different group of folks. I'd like to lock the Joel and Eric in a room and see what becomes of it...
Ahhh, but which soundtrack do you need? The original tape that came out (which did not have the entire movie, but had better equalization levels) or the second release, with the entire score? (Yes, I own both...)
Sitting in my parent's house, in what used to be my bedroom closet, lies dormant the Osborne 1 I purchased with $2000 of bar-mitzvah money in 1982. (And now I date myself.)
Like another poster above, I spent many hours programming it in CBASIC, Pascal, and FORTH. (The FORTH interpreter was a great programming environment at the time. JRT Pascal wasn't so bad, either, but I didn't have much to compare it to.)
I did all my freshman year papers in Wordstar using that and my good ol' C-Itoh printer (still in use by Mom for her packet radio stuff, I think). Then someone introduced me to TeX, and I haven't opened up the thing since...
What? Oh, sorry, was just daydreaming about The Good Old Days there. Did I ever tell you about the eight-hour marathon TRS-80 programming stories back in 1977?...
Does anyone remember using NEON, an "object-oriented FORTH" for the Macintosh? I remember using that back in 1985 for a professor at Swarthmore College...back when it was actually a pretty fantastic programming environment for the Classic Macs. (This was at the very beginning of SANE too, and NEON didn't have any native fp code, so we had to hack that in in 68030 assembler. What fun!)
Getting a broader education -- especially if it's something like computer engineering or EE that talks to hardware-- can only help your case. Knowing a little about why networks/machines are built the way they are speeds your growth.
Having just hired two sysadmins at my own firm, I can say that those without at least a two-year degree got rejected much faster than those with a BA/BS.
As for certs: having an alphabet soup of certifications after your name isn't horribly impressive outside of the HR department...
I don't think business PC's should come with more than a 10GB (or less even) HDD. People shouldn't store things on their hard drive, it makes support a nightmare. Give em server space, and lock it with quotas. Very few office workers need more than 100MB in personal space. After that, it's time to clean it out or achive it.
...except in development shops where people might run things like VMWare (3 GB/ virtual machine, maybe) or store things like the MSDN reference on disk.
There are reasons to store things on a local drive, still...
Will you be able to immediately discern what are the paid stories -- will they be flagged as such -- or will you have to guess what's an ad and what's an honest opinion?
With the possible exception of ORA publishers of programming books seem to think that mispelled words, bad grammar and broken sentences are not worth bothering about.
On the contrary, ORA is hardly faultless in this arena. I have found more typos in ORA books than in Addison-Wesley's or MIT Press's or even good old McGraw Hill!
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Does the Acercome bundled with $1700 software like your Osborne did?
(Putting aside for a second the nagging question of why MBASIC, CBASIC, WordStar and SuperCalc cost so much, even then...)
DISCLAIMER: My Osborne 1 sits in a closet, gathering dust, but I still look at it longingly from time to time...and JRT pascal wasn't bad at all, nor was the FORTH implementation (which rocked!)
If they can't get the 2650 to work, I'll donate my toaster-oven.
Hot-swappability is nice.
Compare that to the rest of MS revenues and see what that means.
Oh. My. Dog.
You recommended a book by a MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE? Heresy!
(HHOS.)
Actually, McConnell has a whole slew of good books out, Code Complete being only one of them. He even has a book on rapid development, that is also mighty good.
It also screams "I don't like shoulder and/or neck pain.
Learn from those who have made mistakes before you.
I'm surprised Joel didn't take on some other major differences:
- Monolithic versus small parts
- Just works versus elegant (but might not work)
- GUI-oriented versus service-oriented
- et cetera
Joel is right on the money here, though: there is a major "cultural" difference between Windows and Unix programmers -- my workplace hires both types and they're quite a different group of folks.I'd like to lock the Joel and Eric in a room and see what becomes of it...
Frank da Cruz was (is) da Bom.
I miss those guys on 7 Watson. Frank, Chris G., Max...
How will you connect, when you have no protocol stack ?
//jbaltz
I haven't been following as carefully as I could have, but did SCO already win, or have I been transported to Bizarroworld (again)?
//jbaltz
This has been on NANOG for at least a month now...
Ahhh, but which soundtrack do you need? The original tape that came out (which did not have the entire movie, but had better equalization levels) or the second release, with the entire score?
(Yes, I own both...)
and
Ahh fine cinema.
Sitting in my parent's house, in what used to be my bedroom closet, lies dormant the Osborne 1 I purchased with $2000 of bar-mitzvah money in 1982. (And now I date myself.)
Like another poster above, I spent many hours programming it in CBASIC, Pascal, and FORTH. (The FORTH interpreter was a great programming environment at the time. JRT Pascal wasn't so bad, either, but I didn't have much to compare it to.)
I did all my freshman year papers in Wordstar using that and my good ol' C-Itoh printer (still in use by Mom for her packet radio stuff, I think). Then someone introduced me to TeX, and I haven't opened up the thing since...
What? Oh, sorry, was just daydreaming about The Good Old Days there. Did I ever tell you about the eight-hour marathon TRS-80 programming stories back in 1977?...
Preach it brother!
Just ask the US Government.
Do you mean changed careers or changed jobs?
Does anyone remember using NEON, an "object-oriented FORTH" for the Macintosh? I remember using that back in 1985 for a professor at Swarthmore College...back when it was actually a pretty fantastic programming environment for the Classic Macs.
(This was at the very beginning of SANE too, and NEON didn't have any native fp code, so we had to hack that in in 68030 assembler. What fun!)
You misspelled "grammar".
Getting a broader education -- especially if it's something like computer engineering or EE that talks to hardware-- can only help your case. Knowing a little about why networks/machines are built the way they are speeds your growth.
Having just hired two sysadmins at my own firm, I can say that those without at least a two-year degree got rejected much faster than those with a BA/BS.
As for certs: having an alphabet soup of certifications after your name isn't horribly impressive outside of the HR department...
Will you be able to immediately discern what are the paid stories -- will they be flagged as such -- or will you have to guess what's an ad and what's an honest opinion?
But is it kosher?
I counted at least a dozen typos/errors in Oualline's Practial C++ Programming book, which is bad, especially those in the code-snippets parts.
On the contrary, ORA is hardly faultless in this arena. I have found more typos in ORA books than in Addison-Wesley's or MIT Press's or even good old McGraw Hill!