The Radar24 mixing console runs BeOS.
Tascam's SX-1 mixing console runs BeOS.
Level Control Systems has been using BeOS to control their system for a long time
(it was used for the Nagano winter olympics opening ceremoney, various Broadwar shows and the Hollywood Bowl, for example).
You'll do anything to get some karma-points, won't you?
This product is real. I've seen it with my own eyes, played with it with my own hands. It's real, and very,
very cool.
You can change that powercord only because you have the skill necessary for doing so. There are plenty of people who would not be able to do so.
Likewise, there are people who are able to go down to the assembly level and make changes to a closed-source application that way. Not many will do so because it's too much trouble, but this is really no different from people buying a new coffeemaker because they don't have the skill to replace the powercord, or think it's too much trouble.
You are, in essence, advocating that people only buy coffeemakers with easily replacable powercords, because coffeemakers with hard-to-replace powercords are evil.
> It's about having the freedom to do this, not necessarily using it.
But to RMS, it's about forcing people into this freedom, whether they want it or not. RMS wants you to have freedom, as long as it's not the freedom to use proprietary products.
Before Afghanistan, conventional military wisdom held that a war can't be won without substantial numbers of
ground troops.
Ever since the invention of the 'bomb' and the 'airplane', the military has known that you can win any war by bombing your opponent into oblivion, no ground troops needed and, accidents aside, zero casualties on your side. There are reasons for not doing this of course (cost, makes you look bad), but to say that
conventional military "wisdom" (is there such a thing?) always included ground troops is nonsense.
But as usual Katz isn't hindered by any knowledge of the subject at hand and so he makes these
ridiculous assertions, and then bases some pretentious
story on them. Oh well...
It's interesting that the article mentions the
"Fast and the Furious" CD as an example of a
copy-protected CD. I bought this CD for the
purpose of testing the protection, and found
that I could rip the tracks without any problems.
The "protection" only seems to work under Windows,
which means it is purely a software thing, and can
potentially be circumvented even in Windows if you
use the right software.
I think I'll return the CD anyway...
Why can't anyone show me an engineering application that is solved
with an object oriented program?
Because there is no engineering problem that can only
be solved by OO programming. In my experience though, OO programming allows for much faster development and easier maintenance. As an example, I recently started a new job, and there, using C++, was able to do in a matter of weeks what the company had been trying to do for many months. The code is much cleaner than it would have been using a C-only approach. Unfortunately many people look at OO and/or C++ either as a solution that they want to use (for no apparent reason, they just want to use it), or as something that should be avoided because it is perceived as slow or bloated. Both viewpoints are incorrect. C++ is neither slow nor is it a tool that you *must* use because it is "better". It is simply a tool, and as with any tool, you should only use it when you a) know how to use it and b) it is suitable for the job at hand.
Can nobody here do math? At a 50% raise per year, that's an increase by a factor of about 7.6 in 5 years. With a starting salary of $50k that would amount to $380k, and even at a starting salary of only $20k, he would be making about $150k (these numbers are assuming he got a (5th) raise at the end of his 5th year, of course). Not bad for a 24 year old...
FYI, I didn't mod you down.
As to "kill" locking up the UI, I still think you
accidentally killed the wrong thread. On BeOS, the "kill" command kills threads, not processes. If you
do a 'ps' and see that a certain team (process) has
team-id number 23 and then type 'kill 23', you're
really killing thread number 23, which is likely
not related to team 23 at all.
Why the GPL? There are a zillion other licenses out there that are less restrictive. Not that opensourcing BeOS would have been good for BeOS. It might have been good for linux, but not for BeOS.
I betcha the people who bought RedHat at its peak of $140 aren't all that happy either.
The moral of the story: only stupid people hang on to dotcom stock for that long. The people who bought Be stock at IPO have long since sold it, probably at a profit, too. It's the people who bought during the downward slide of the last year or sothat are screwed.
FUD. BeOS handles killing non-essential processes just fine. I do it all the time. However, since in BeOS you are the equivalent of 'root' by default, you can do a lot of damage if you're not careful (just like on a linux machine) I suspect you accidentally killed the wrong process.
Of all the operating systems I've tried, BeOS was most
definitely the most user-friendly. I would be interested to know which operating systems you consider to be even
more user-friendly.
I'm sure he was just pissed that I robbed him of the karma he could have gotten had he posted the link first:)
If I cared about my karma, it wouldn't be at a mere 19...
I post what I think, and if that means that posting anything that reeks of criticism of slashdot, linux or the GPL decreases my karma, so be it. It only reaffirms my belief that a lot of the people posting and moderating on slashdot are incapable of seeing the shortcomings of either of these three things. This is too bad, because sticking your head in the sand never solved a problem.
(note to moderators: according to established doctrine, this post should be marked "flamebait" or "troll")
Yeah, you're obviously the first one to have thought of it. Ya think there might be a reason they don't? Like, maybe the NYT would come after them asking for
$$$ for posting links to their site that they otherwise have set up for paying customers/parnters?
The New York Times may not be publishing direct links, but their server accepts direct links into their site. It would be trivial for them to REQUIRE a login even for those people who know the direct link, but they don't.
Besides, they are not reserving this for paying customers or partners, since registration is FREE.
Next time you go mouthing off at people while hiding behind an anonymous ID, please at least THINK before you post.
Can LinuxBIOS be made to boot other operating systems as well? I'd really like to boot BeOS (to the desktop, all services started) in 5 seconds flat. Right now the BIOS takes up the majority of the boot time.
This little bit from the article: According to a report on Dutch Web site WebWereld, the IFPI has been told to resume
talks with KaZaA about the formation of a legal music-sharing service.
was completely ignored in the slashdot article as well as by all the postings I've read so far. Right now everyone is just talking about how "they can't shut it down" and "we need an open source version so that they can't shut it down" or "we need to switch to Gnutella because they can't shut that down". Whatever happened to the talk of "I would pay $1 for a song if I could download it"? Has everyone settled for simply getting everything for free without compensating the artists? (before you go rant about the evil recordcompanies who get all the money, you might want to reread this article)
As long as people are pirating music/movies/software,
there will be lawsuits like this. As long as people in some way shape or form profit from this pirating (by providing a client or network on which they sell advertising space for example), there will be lawsuits like this. If you want to legally download music without paying for it, stick to artists who give away their music for free, or move to a country without copyright laws. Otherwise, you're gonna have to start getting used to some kind of "micropayment" system, and lawsuits and
verdicts such as the one against Napster or Kazaa are just the first step towards that.
While I'm at it, I'll try to counter some often-heard arguments, before someone brings them up again:
"it's just a filesharing program, it can be used to legally share files as well, they shouldn't be allowed to shut it down"
Please take a moment to log on to the network, and realise that the vast majority of files shared are copyrighted music and movies. Say what you will, but these networks exist principally for the purpose of sharing copyrighted material. If you only care about the legal material, then you should be happy about the filtering measures that Napster had to put in place, since they don't affect your use of the network.
I wouldn't mind paying the artists directly
I'm sure the artists wouldn't mind either, but they chose to sign deals with recordcompanies instead, and so you'll have to abide by their rules. On the bright side, both recordcompanies and artists are starting to get clues, and before long you will be able to buy individual songs online for a nominal fee.
We don't have to abide by their rules, they can't stop us!
You're right, they can't. But they can try. And occasionally there will be an "innocent" victim who gets turned into an example for the rest of the world. You can't eradicate burglary either, but you still lock your house when you leave, right?
I find it vaguely amusing that you chose to license FLAC under the LGPL, but do not seem
to be aware of the possibility of dual-licensing.
This just goes to prove my theory that most people
license software under (L)GPL because it's the
"cool" thing to do, not because they actually
believe in the principles for which the GPL stands, let alone understand the consequences of their choice.
You remember wrong. The bootloader of the publically released BeOS did not contain LILO code (though it was
used on internal development and beta versions). Also, using "free" drivers is impossible, because those "free" drivers are not truly free. Try and use a GPLd driver, and see how fast RMS comes-a-knockin' at your door, whining about how you can't use GPLd drivers with a non-GPLd kernel, even if they are dynamically loaded.
palm will be able to sue microsoft on beos' behalf
No. As was clearly outlined in the proxy statement for the shareholder vote, Palm bought IP and engineers. That is ALL they get. Be reserves the right to file suit against whomever, but Palm doesn't come into play there.
Slashdot Mirror
The Radar24 mixing console runs BeOS.
Tascam's SX-1 mixing console runs BeOS.
Level Control Systems has been using BeOS to control their system for a long time
(it was used for the Nagano winter olympics opening ceremoney, various Broadwar shows and the Hollywood Bowl, for example).
You'll do anything to get some karma-points, won't you?
This product is real. I've seen it with my own eyes, played with it with my own hands. It's real, and very,
very cool.
Be retained the right to file a lawsuit. If Palm wants to file a lawsuit, it will have to be for something different than BeOS.
You can change that powercord only because you have the skill necessary for doing so. There are plenty of people who would not be able to do so.
Likewise, there are people who are able to go down to the assembly level and make changes to a closed-source application that way. Not many will do so because it's too much trouble, but this is really no different from people buying a new coffeemaker because they don't have the skill to replace the powercord, or think it's too much trouble.
You are, in essence, advocating that people only buy coffeemakers with easily replacable powercords, because coffeemakers with hard-to-replace powercords are evil.
> It's about having the freedom to do this, not necessarily using it.
But to RMS, it's about forcing people into this freedom, whether they want it or not. RMS wants you to have freedom, as long as it's not the freedom to use proprietary products.
Ever since the invention of the 'bomb' and the 'airplane', the military has known that you can win any war by bombing your opponent into oblivion, no ground troops needed and, accidents aside, zero casualties on your side. There are reasons for not doing this of course (cost, makes you look bad), but to say that conventional military "wisdom" (is there such a thing?) always included ground troops is nonsense.
But as usual Katz isn't hindered by any knowledge of the subject at hand and so he makes these ridiculous assertions, and then bases some pretentious story on them. Oh well...
Somebody needs to redo the Luxo Jr animation starring this new iLamp...
It's interesting that the article mentions the "Fast and the Furious" CD as an example of a copy-protected CD. I bought this CD for the purpose of testing the protection, and found that I could rip the tracks without any problems. The "protection" only seems to work under Windows, which means it is purely a software thing, and can potentially be circumvented even in Windows if you use the right software. I think I'll return the CD anyway...
Because there is no engineering problem that can only be solved by OO programming. In my experience though, OO programming allows for much faster development and easier maintenance. As an example, I recently started a new job, and there, using C++, was able to do in a matter of weeks what the company had been trying to do for many months. The code is much cleaner than it would have been using a C-only approach. Unfortunately many people look at OO and/or C++ either as a solution that they want to use (for no apparent reason, they just want to use it), or as something that should be avoided because it is perceived as slow or bloated. Both viewpoints are incorrect. C++ is neither slow nor is it a tool that you *must* use because it is "better". It is simply a tool, and as with any tool, you should only use it when you a) know how to use it and b) it is suitable for the job at hand.
You think? The biggest raise you ever got was a 26% raise. "Rounding" that to 50% would be exagerating bigtime, IMHO.
Can nobody here do math? At a 50% raise per year, that's an increase by a factor of about 7.6 in 5 years. With a starting salary of $50k that would amount to $380k, and even at a starting salary of only $20k, he would be making about $150k (these numbers are assuming he got a (5th) raise at the end of his 5th year, of course). Not bad for a 24 year old...
FYI, I didn't mod you down.
As to "kill" locking up the UI, I still think you accidentally killed the wrong thread. On BeOS, the "kill" command kills threads, not processes. If you do a 'ps' and see that a certain team (process) has team-id number 23 and then type 'kill 23', you're really killing thread number 23, which is likely not related to team 23 at all.
Why the GPL? There are a zillion other licenses out there that are less restrictive. Not that opensourcing BeOS would have been good for BeOS. It might have been good for linux, but not for BeOS.
I betcha the people who bought RedHat at its peak of $140 aren't all that happy either.
The moral of the story: only stupid people hang on to dotcom stock for that long. The people who bought Be stock at IPO have long since sold it, probably at a profit, too. It's the people who bought during the downward slide of the last year or sothat are screwed.
FUD. BeOS handles killing non-essential processes just fine. I do it all the time. However, since in BeOS you are the equivalent of 'root' by default, you can do a lot of damage if you're not careful (just like on a linux machine) I suspect you accidentally killed the wrong process.
Of all the operating systems I've tried, BeOS was most
definitely the most user-friendly. I would be interested to know which operating systems you consider to be even
more user-friendly.
I'm sure he was just pissed that I robbed him of the karma he could have gotten had he posted the link first :)
If I cared about my karma, it wouldn't be at a mere 19...
I post what I think, and if that means that posting anything that reeks of criticism of slashdot, linux or the GPL decreases my karma, so be it. It only reaffirms my belief that a lot of the people posting and moderating on slashdot are incapable of seeing the shortcomings of either of these three things. This is too bad, because sticking your head in the sand never solved a problem.
(note to moderators: according to established doctrine, this post should be marked "flamebait" or "troll")
The New York Times may not be publishing direct links, but their server accepts direct links into their site. It would be trivial for them to REQUIRE a login even for those people who know the direct link, but they don't. Besides, they are not reserving this for paying customers or partners, since registration is FREE.
Next time you go mouthing off at people while hiding behind an anonymous ID, please at least THINK before you post.
Karma whoring asshole
Yes, you are.
Can LinuxBIOS be made to boot other operating systems as well? I'd really like to boot BeOS (to the desktop, all services started) in 5 seconds flat. Right now the BIOS takes up the majority of the boot time.
The editors should just include the registration-free link...
True for the devices, but what matters is if a TiVo device was publicly demonstrated before the ReplayTV patents were filed.
According to a report on Dutch Web site WebWereld, the IFPI has been told to resume talks with KaZaA about the formation of a legal music-sharing service.
was completely ignored in the slashdot article as well as by all the postings I've read so far. Right now everyone is just talking about how "they can't shut it down" and "we need an open source version so that they can't shut it down" or "we need to switch to Gnutella because they can't shut that down". Whatever happened to the talk of "I would pay $1 for a song if I could download it"? Has everyone settled for simply getting everything for free without compensating the artists? (before you go rant about the evil recordcompanies who get all the money, you might want to reread this article)
As long as people are pirating music/movies/software, there will be lawsuits like this. As long as people in some way shape or form profit from this pirating (by providing a client or network on which they sell advertising space for example), there will be lawsuits like this. If you want to legally download music without paying for it, stick to artists who give away their music for free, or move to a country without copyright laws. Otherwise, you're gonna have to start getting used to some kind of "micropayment" system, and lawsuits and verdicts such as the one against Napster or Kazaa are just the first step towards that.
While I'm at it, I'll try to counter some often-heard arguments, before someone brings them up again:
"it's just a filesharing program, it can be used to legally share files as well, they shouldn't be allowed to shut it down"
Please take a moment to log on to the network, and realise that the vast majority of files shared are copyrighted music and movies. Say what you will, but these networks exist principally for the purpose of sharing copyrighted material. If you only care about the legal material, then you should be happy about the filtering measures that Napster had to put in place, since they don't affect your use of the network.
I wouldn't mind paying the artists directly
I'm sure the artists wouldn't mind either, but they chose to sign deals with recordcompanies instead, and so you'll have to abide by their rules. On the bright side, both recordcompanies and artists are starting to get clues, and before long you will be able to buy individual songs online for a nominal fee.
We don't have to abide by their rules, they can't stop us!
You're right, they can't. But they can try. And occasionally there will be an "innocent" victim who gets turned into an example for the rest of the world. You can't eradicate burglary either, but you still lock your house when you leave, right?
I find it vaguely amusing that you chose to license FLAC under the LGPL, but do not seem to be aware of the possibility of dual-licensing. This just goes to prove my theory that most people license software under (L)GPL because it's the "cool" thing to do, not because they actually believe in the principles for which the GPL stands, let alone understand the consequences of their choice.
You remember wrong. The bootloader of the publically released BeOS did not contain LILO code (though it was
used on internal development and beta versions). Also, using "free" drivers is impossible, because those "free" drivers are not truly free. Try and use a GPLd driver, and see how fast RMS comes-a-knockin' at your door, whining about how you can't use GPLd drivers with a non-GPLd kernel, even if they are dynamically loaded.
No. As was clearly outlined in the proxy statement for the shareholder vote, Palm bought IP and engineers. That is ALL they get. Be reserves the right to file suit against whomever, but Palm doesn't come into play there.