hmmm, where did you learn probability? not in school I guess.
multiplying probabilities the way you have assumes that A and B are independant random variables. Clearly they are not.... and because they are not independant is precisely why your arguemnt is so wrong.
Furthermore, reducing human behavior to random variables is is pretty weak. There is really no chance at all involved in whether someone has a gun. They don't randomly appear in your pocket. You buy them, load them, and carry them, knowing full well you now have a gun.
try this:
Criminals use guns for bad things.
Criminals don't follow laws
So lets make a LAW that prevents everyone from owning guns.
I wonder who will be most affected by that law? the criminals, or the law abiding folk?
don't get me wrong. I'm really not a gun advocate. I;ve owned a handgun and a shotgun, but I'd like to see more rational controls on access to guns. You do a disservice to the debate by presenting such blather.
Cloning is such a huge and complex issue. Its pretty clear that random posts on Slashdot won't begin to encompass all the complexities.
One thing to think about:
The question, "Should we because we can?" becomes more and more relavent as the rate at which technology is developed. Most of the time is is less an issue of "Should this be done?" but rather "Lets see if we can do this and see what happens!"
I think that politicians are the LAST people who are qualified to make decisions in the realms of ethics OR science.
Currently, the price is a whopping $0.14 per share. hhhmmmmm-- how many slashdotters have brokerage accounts? It appears they may have some REALLY valuble IP now.
Like most things with Microsoft... they will undoubtedly use their vast financial resources, hoards of lawyers and monopoly power to threaten, swindle, purchase and otherwise do whatever they please. I'd give "some Florida company" no more than a week to stand up to what Microsoft does. It will either buy them, or the name outright, or pursue strike litigation (sue them) until they submit.
I learned some stuff about GPS from a co worker who codes applications for Palm pilots that integrates GPS data. Until just recently (last May) all non-military uses of GPS integrated intentional ERRORS in the signals, making it hard to produce accurate locations from the GPS signals.
from the white paper:
Protozilla enables Mozilla to execute any CGI program on the local disk directly, without passing it through an HTTP server. One can think of this feature as "client-side CGI" as opposed to the usual server-side CGI. This feature may be useful for testing CGI programs, or for implementing applications that use Mozilla as a UI platform, rather than as a HTTP client. For example, if you have a Perl script that parses your e-mail, you could choose to have it display its output in the browser. In addition to the usual scripting languages, Protozilla can also execute Javascript CGI programs.
Wow -- the Mozilla team to implement a perl interpreter!
its very easy to be a critic. its more difficult to say something relevant to the point.
the point here is to DISCUSS -- IT IS A DISCUSSION FORUM not a research paper. Can you add anything useful besides pointing out gramatical errors in the original post?
>You've tried?
you're trolling
>... It's unscientific
Clearly spoken by the paragon of logic. If you believe the statement is false, I challenge you to provide even marginally supportive evidence that anyone is close to human cloning.
>Since the egg is a simple repository for the nucleus
as you are so quick to point out -- not proven
>they don't all have to be from one woman
huh? non sequitur. The article is a about an infertile _couple_ attempting to clone a child.
on complexity, your statement is true, as is mine, what was your point?
>This has not been proven...
DUH! none of this has been proven. you're trolling again.
as for my research -- given the overall hostile nature of most of the responses I've seen-- I wouldn't want any of you to know. It's not cloning or even genetics, and I never purported it to be.
it turns out human cloning is not possible right now. This is close to my area of research.
What people really mean about 'cloning' is the creation of new organisms that are identical genetically to adults (genetic material from fully differentiated cells). People naturally make clones earlier (twins) and artificially (fertility treatments). The real breakthrough with dolly & such was the ability to take an organism that has developed -- and hence we can observe the phenotype and turn its genotype to a new organism.
ok so along these lines: the initial dolly experiment can about from _hundreds_ of attempts. All the failures either never developed or aborted prematurely. The risks associated from harvesting that many eggs from one human would be high.
Additionally, no one has come close to performing fully differentiated genotype transfer in any higher organism close to man. A science article about a year ago had a good review of what had been tried. Turns out the success rates go dawn sharply as the genome gets more complex.
Finally there is the telomerase issue. We know aging occurs in high correlation with the shortening of end caps on the chromosomes called "telomerases" These shortened telomerases are already present in fully differentiated cells and it was measured in sheep that the cloned animals too have shorter telomerases. The result: there is strong suspicion that cloned animals may have shorter lifespan. Sequential cloning might be disastrous.
Planet Pluto is the coolest and most far out planet in the Solar System. Pluto was known as the god of the dead in Roman mythology. The Romans sometimes called him Dis Pater or Orcus, and the Greeks sometimes called him Pluton. Pluto was also known as Hades, the Greek god of the dead. The Romans borrowed almost all the myths and legends about Pluto and his affiliation the the underworld that he ruled from the Greeks.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a clear analogy to returning SPAM? I guess the closest thing is DOS attacks on the service provider, but that really hurts more than just the spammer.
is a site that I created, though -- not many
users yet.
Its called StockScriptions and its meant to facilitate real time data exchange of securities
valuations.
What I think is really interesting is the shift
in thinking of the way the web can work -- initially, every worked on the model where semi-static information from one source (the
website) was provided to all. The new thinking
is that the web can facilitate sharing of information between the users. Slashdot and Everything2 are
two clear successes in this area.
An interesting read -- for those of you who haven't seen it is the Appendix written by Feynman
to the Challenger Report (otherwise known as the Rogers Commission Report).
One thing we've seen over and over again... The Human Body is so much more complex than anybody ever expected. I can't count how may people have said "this is going to change medicine and cure disease".
I am going to wait until I see more convincing results than these before I pop the champaign corks.
In the federal register 01/05/01 new 'rules' came out regarding the patent examination procedure and the way that examiners must determine utility. Utility is one of the big three you need to get a patent:
they are (1) The item is novel (2) the item is ' non-obvious to someone skilled in the art' and (3) it must posess "utility" -- or the designed must show it is useful.
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this reminds me of the same mentality behind people who do "base" jumping...
these people find the most different and crazy place to jump from buildings / bridges / cliffs
never done before myself, but I would imagine people would pay for it.
Didn't several of the early people who tried to jump from so high die trying?
Why does everyone think that Browsers should be free????
Opera is a kick A$$ browser and I gladly paid for it. In the scope of software, browser are becoming more and more difficult to write and the space of junk people are putting on the web continues to bloat out of control. >
Slashdot Mirror
multiplying probabilities the way you have assumes that A and B are independant random variables. Clearly they are not.
Furthermore, reducing human behavior to random variables is is pretty weak. There is really no chance at all involved in whether someone has a gun. They don't randomly appear in your pocket. You buy them, load them, and carry them, knowing full well you now have a gun.
try this:
I wonder who will be most affected by that law? the criminals, or the law abiding folk?
don't get me wrong. I'm really not a gun advocate. I;ve owned a handgun and a shotgun, but I'd like to see more rational controls on access to guns. You do a disservice to the debate by presenting such blather.
I run a site with slashcode and tried to get several related sites to provide RSS feeds, but none were interested.
I hope it gets more popular.
Cloning is such a huge and complex issue. Its pretty clear that random posts on Slashdot won't begin to encompass all the complexities.
One thing to think about:
The question, "Should we because we can?" becomes more and more relavent as the rate at which technology is developed. Most of the time is is less an issue of "Should this be done?" but rather "Lets see if we can do this and see what happens!"
I think that politicians are the LAST people who are qualified to make decisions in the realms of ethics OR science.
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http://lisar.larc.nasa.gov/LISAR/BROWSE/hyperx.ht
pretty cool.
It appears the company is traded otc: OTC BB:XBOX.OB
details here: http://biz.yahoo.com/p/x/xbox.ob.html
Currently, the price is a whopping $0.14 per share. hhhmmmmm-- how many slashdotters have brokerage
accounts? It appears they may have some REALLY valuble IP now.
Like most things with Microsoft... they will
undoubtedly use their vast financial
resources, hoards of lawyers and monopoly
power to threaten, swindle, purchase and
otherwise do whatever they please. I'd give
"some Florida company" no more than a week to
stand up to what Microsoft does. It will
either buy them, or the name outright, or
pursue strike litigation (sue them) until they
submit.
I learned some stuff about GPS from a co worker who codes applications for Palm pilots that integrates GPS data. Until just recently (last May) all non-military uses of GPS integrated intentional ERRORS in the signals, making it hard to produce accurate locations from the GPS signals.
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This sentiment is mirrored here:
http://www.sbcmag.net/texis/scripts/vnews/newspap
seems sort of shifty if you ask me.
from the white paper:
Protozilla enables Mozilla to execute any CGI program on the local disk directly, without passing it through an HTTP server. One can think of this feature as "client-side CGI" as opposed to the usual server-side CGI. This feature may be useful for testing CGI programs, or for implementing applications that use Mozilla as a UI platform, rather than as a HTTP client. For example, if you have a Perl script that parses your e-mail, you could choose to have it display its output in the browser. In addition to the usual scripting languages, Protozilla can also execute Javascript CGI programs.
Wow -- the Mozilla team to implement a perl interpreter!
its very easy to be a critic. its more difficult to say something relevant to the point.
... It's unscientific
...
the point here is to DISCUSS -- IT IS A DISCUSSION FORUM not a research paper. Can you add anything useful besides pointing out gramatical errors in the original post?
>You've tried?
you're trolling
>
Clearly spoken by the paragon of logic. If you believe the statement is false, I challenge you to provide even marginally supportive evidence that anyone is close to human cloning.
>Since the egg is a simple repository for the nucleus
as you are so quick to point out -- not proven
>they don't all have to be from one woman
huh? non sequitur. The article is a about an infertile _couple_ attempting to clone a child.
on complexity, your statement is true, as is mine, what was your point?
>This has not been proven
DUH! none of this has been proven. you're trolling again.
as for my research -- given the overall hostile nature of most of the responses I've seen-- I wouldn't want any of you to know. It's not cloning or even genetics, and I never purported it to be.
it turns out human cloning is not possible right now. This is close to my area of research.
What people really mean about 'cloning' is the creation of new organisms that are identical genetically to adults (genetic material from fully differentiated cells). People naturally make clones earlier (twins) and artificially (fertility treatments). The real breakthrough with dolly & such was the ability to take an organism that has developed -- and hence we can observe the phenotype and turn its genotype to a new organism.
ok so along these lines: the initial dolly experiment can about from _hundreds_ of attempts. All the failures either never developed or aborted prematurely. The risks associated from harvesting that many eggs from one human would be high.
Additionally, no one has come close to performing fully differentiated genotype transfer in any higher organism close to man. A science article about a year ago had a good review of what had been tried. Turns out the success rates go dawn sharply as the genome gets more complex.
Finally there is the telomerase issue. We know aging occurs in high correlation with the shortening of end caps on the chromosomes called "telomerases" These shortened telomerases are already present in fully differentiated cells and it was measured in sheep that the cloned animals too have shorter telomerases. The result: there is strong suspicion that cloned animals may have shorter lifespan. Sequential cloning might be disastrous.
Lets summarize the situation:
Doesn't sound so cool does it?
Where does the line get drawn for what is OK to watch and monitor and what is private?
Pluto a dog????
see
http://www.solarsystem.com/planets/pluto.htm
Planet Pluto is the coolest and most far out planet in the Solar System. Pluto was known as the god of the dead in Roman mythology. The Romans sometimes called him Dis Pater or Orcus, and the Greeks sometimes called him Pluton. Pluto was also known as Hades, the Greek god of the dead. The Romans borrowed almost all the myths and legends about Pluto and his affiliation the the underworld that he ruled from the Greeks.
ACK!
everyone will need to make up new acronyms for the listing the planets!
here is a zdnet article from last September.
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they also talk about Bush's Information Technology Steering Committee
see http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,263
Returning stuffed junk mail. I like it.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a clear analogy
to returning SPAM? I guess the closest thing
is DOS attacks on the service provider, but that really hurts
more than just the spammer.
any other ideas?
is a site that I created, though -- not many
users yet.
Its called StockScriptions and its meant to
facilitate real time data exchange of securities
valuations.
What I think is really interesting is the shift
in thinking of the way the web can work --
initially, every worked on the model where
semi-static information from one source (the
website) was provided to all. The new thinking
is that the web can facilitate sharing of information
between the users. Slashdot and Everything2 are
two clear successes in this area.
just my $0.02.
An interesting read -- for those of you who haven't seen it is the Appendix written by Feynman to the Challenger Report (otherwise known as the Rogers Commission Report).
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see http://www.ralentz.com/old/space/feynman-report.h
or
http://www.fotuva.org/feynman/challenger-appendix
One thing we've seen over and over again... The Human Body is so much more complex than anybody ever expected. I can't count how may people have said "this is going to change medicine and cure disease".
I am going to wait until I see more convincing results than these before I pop the champaign corks.
here is the link to the new rules
u tilexmguide.pdf
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/
In the federal register 01/05/01 new 'rules' came out regarding the patent examination procedure and the way that examiners must determine utility. Utility is one of the big three you need to get a patent:
they are (1) The item is novel (2) the item is ' non-obvious to someone skilled in the art' and (3) it must posess "utility" -- or the designed must show it is useful.
this reminds me of the same mentality behind people who do "base" jumping...
these people find the most different and crazy place to jump from buildings / bridges / cliffs
never done before myself, but I would imagine people would pay for it.
Didn't several of the early people who tried to jump from so high die trying?
how do these people expect to mitigate liability?
-drD
I totally diagree. I've been waiting months for this and I'm excited to see it closer to completion.
How could making a movie make you memories worse?
Just don;t see it if you don't want to....
I think people should be doing non-redhat specific training. For example see linuxcertified.com -drD
Why does everyone think that Browsers should be free????
Opera is a kick A$$ browser and I gladly paid for it. In the scope of software, browser are becoming more and more difficult to write and the space of junk people are putting on the web continues to bloat out of control. >
for those who havn't seen it...
here is the manifesto:
http://www.wwfreepress.com/unaba.html