as I understand it, in order to stay within the 'safe harbors' provision, the website operator has to take down content basically immediately and then review, and give the chance for the poster/publisher to respond.
I'm curious - on Wikipedia, is a DMCA takedown he same technically as a community-driven "delete"?
Does the community do the copyright review or are there staff at wikipedia that make the call?
most physicians I know are more interested in money, management, or making the best of a bad and now unchangeable career choice.
if physicians were more focused on health - the real, holistic health of the people who they care for (as opposed to the treatment-and-drug-oriented focus of western medicine) then they would WANT to know more organic chemistry, and, in a similar way work to change the broken healthcare mess (I won't even go so far as to call is a system)
The nature of "Truth" has been bandied by philosophers for thousands of years. To think we can "rate" the "truth" of websites is terrifically naive.
Different people harbor vastly different models of what "truth" even means. For some, there are unyielding absolute truths, defined by social norms. For others, truth is simply consistency with their other knowledge. Different people hold these two different models tightly, and defend them fiercely, and are at time create incompatible worldviews. As another example of different models, the Bhudda (yes that long ago) talked about Truth and truth - absolute truth and everyday truth... an insight that is very deep.
Beyond the idea that different people view the whole concept of truth differently - what is and is not true is bounded more by individual's ignorance than anything else. A proposition "X" that is "true" for Alice may be "false" for Bob, only because Alice and Bob have extremely different information. If they both *want to*, then they can choose to work out their differences, exchange information with each other and most likely other, trusted sources and resolve the "truth" of X to a common place - but for 1 fact, and 2 people in the vast complexity of the real world, that can sometimes mean a lot of work (like OJ trial work) for both Alice and Bob and others.
In a way, different truths for different people is very, very good thing. One-story societies, monocultures have critical points of failure. There is no one way to live, and if there ever were, all the emo kids would reject it just on principal anyway.
I'm not disagreeing with the need for reliability and accountability for information online. But 'truth'... that word does not mean what you think it means. Sir Lee is correct, I brought up a similar issue in a meeting in August 2006. . . over time does someone's (blogs, news, speeches, etc) statements match observation. That could be useful, but it is certainly not the same as truth, at best the word would be consistency.
Now is a dark, dark hour in US history when a court upholds the Constitution and the words "unprecedented victory" are used in the coverage of the event.
Our company runs LegalTorrents.com - completely legal P2P distribution as a service to Content Creators.
Anyone who falsely claims the P2P = illegal, you can simply send them a link to our site as a counter example. Oh yeah, and Jamendo, and BitTorrent, and many, many others.
Active protection, as in - running "fixes" locally automatically downloaded from the InterTubes? Throw in a pinch of DNS poisoning or muxed up routes and you've got yourself a perfect rootkit injection system with the piece of protection and [sent] immediately back to them! Yeah!
Facebook users seem so confused. Facebook, Inc. *OWNS* the website facebook.com - they can do basically whatever they want with it. tough cookies.
the basic premise of physical property is that if you do work on something and make a new thing, then you own it. own meaning society agrees you have exclusive rights to control where and how a thing is used. we have all sorts of other modern day legal and monetary things that also mean you own things, like titles and deeds and receipts. largely, these ideas of ownership have spilled over into the information, too, and rightly so - controlling the use and application of certain information for limited time helps society a lot. many of the current out-of-control IP systems are a bit slanted toward big organizations, but still, all in all IP is a good thing.
people own their personal connections to other people. you made them. an individual is the only person who know how another has treated them, how well they like them or hate them, if they would invite them over to a party next Friday. except, of course, if a person decided to give that information away by publishing it on a global communication system. once you do that, you don't own it any more, then it's like loose change on the sidewalk.
so when you join facebook, you give away your information, your connections to other people. and this is valuable stuff - it's no wonder pie-in-the-sky valuations for facebook are over $15B and growing. If asked to sell the same information, people simply wouldn't, they would and have simply keep it private, and rightly so.
that said, I made a facebook profile. I resisted it for years, but when we wanted to build a app to reach people, the facebook platform worked really well. I still see it as an inequitable exchange, though - Facebook makes explicit and public the information that is valuable to the individual when held private. In doing so, most users give far more to Facebook than they receive in return. it's just business.
Will the US go back to where Constitutional basic civil liberties are respected?
I'm not sure why Americans would want to stay in the US any more: on top of the overt repeal of historical rights, they have a declining dollar, poor education, poor and very expensive healthcare, and a culture of people that would attack and vilify those that stand up and point out these points.
For all the high brow talk about the Constitution and what the rights mean that it grants - any basic 4th grader can look at the situation, understand what the document intended, and observe that is no longer why US citizens have.
The financial system in the US is in active meltdown, right now. People are walking around with "debt" notes in their pocket and guess what, IT'S ALL DEBT - there are no resources to back it up. Boy that hangover is going to hurt when people realize how worthless their money is. The US has been on a 100-year bender, all the time mortgaging our resources to central bankers who whip up notes of debt for the people to carry around.
Education in the US is so much worse than it once was. Gates has given speeches on it. In international competitions, Chinese students kick the US students' asses. Higher and higher percentages of college students are non-native US.
I don't understand why more people are not acting in the US, why more people are not literally walking into every local government meeting and screaming long and loud for accountability from their leaders, pushing upward on the system every place they can.
so NASA want to "bomb" the moon. Nice. Aside from the obvious destruction and violence quips - another concern comes to mind.
FTA: "because it can be broken down into oxygen for lunar bases and fuel for rockets".
Kind of like what we did with all that oil, right - find it and use it all up like spoiled children with candy? It was 500 million years of energy, collected and compressed by biology, burned up in about 200 years, and in the process significantly altering the systems that made the biology possible.
I hate to break the really bad news, but we're all alone out here in a cold, dark and most unfriendly-to-life corner of the Universe. Getting to Mars is just a step - the REAL prize is making it possible for humans to journey outside our solar system, to other life sustaining places. This is a 20 thousand year project. Without that, humans remain a just a radio footnote in this dark corner. If humans take the same long-term approach to resource discovery and utilization with the rest of the planets and moons in the Solar System that we have with Earth, we will surely fail.
automatic or not - that was a huge eye-opener if that technology is available at the grad-student level. Available in commercial/comsumer products in 3-5 years.
So much for "video evidence". So much for reality. "Your honor, I have a video of what happened and I wasn't there!... see?"
hate them? no. An individual's emotional response to a company doesn't do shit. They followed the rules of US capitalism with ruthless and unprincipled efficiency. For that, I kind of admire their dedication to an ideal, even if I dont agree with their behavior.
However, I've seen their actions and I know what they have done - to individuals, to companies, to the computer industry and to innovation in general. The actions the company has taken and continues to take have lead me to be a vocal and outspoken opponent of any product that bears the name, every partnership that involves them, and every business venture they are involved with.
You can attack that point of view, call me names from behind your AC shield, and act childish all you want. The word is not "fanaticism" - the one you have to understand is "accountability". Many in the US seem to have lost this concept in the last 10 years or so. Choosing to not to do business with them was easy and happened long ago. Microsoft has gone so much farther, and there is nothing they could do, short of a complete breakup of the company plus new management that would open my mind to trusting them.
I looked yesterday for where I could watch Olypics videos. Looks like I needed to instal some plugin from Microsoft that only works with "approved" browsers. Silverlight?
I don't even mind if I'm bombarded with ads to see video. I would even pay for certain footage of one person I know competing in Beijing and some of the events. But a Microsoft player? No thanks.
IANAL, but slide 5 of the presentation says "AND THIS IS VERY ILLEGAL". Maybe they are getting their rocks off, testing and exposing security weaknesses - whatever. public good, harming society, doesn't matter. if we follow free speech and assembly, the talk should not have been stopped, for ANY reason. when ever and where ever we go down the road of "illegal information" tyranny is sure to follow.
it would seem that a much better approach would have been to allow the speech to continue, but indict and serve the people (beforehand) who did illegal behavior ASAP, then use the speech to apprehend and prosecute those who did the illegal acts.
The state should warn them beforehand: "you will be prosecuted" for your illegal behavior X Y and Z (and BE SPECIFIC), and then at trial, public admissions make the situation worse. Gee, maybe law enforcement needs to get current, at least come into the 1990's.
this is the same discussion going on all around while the world ramps up the global communication streams: demonizing the information or talking about it after the illegal acts, instead of what works: calmly and very publicly bringing those who do criminal behaviors to justice.
last time I looked at the insides of a lottery machine (every chance I get) - I saw cables that looked a lot like ethernet. wonder if any of them use DNS to call home...
THE POLLS FOR MCCAIN AND OBAMA ARE ALMOST EQUAL and if history is a guide, Republicans usually win recent presidential elections, especially if people use Diebold machines.
OP-ED COLUMNIST Where's the Landslide?
By DAVID BROOKS August 5, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/opinion/05brooks.html?th&emc=th Why isn't Barack Obama doing better? Why, after all that has happened, does he have only a slim two- or three-point lead over John McCain, according to an average of the recent polls? Why is he basically tied with his opponent when his party is so far ahead?
His age probably has something to do with it. So does his race. But the polls and focus groups suggest that people aren't dismissive of Obama or hostile to him. Instead, they're wary and uncertain....
to (re)move the control of each piece of the Internet and each organization that manages Internet assignment and standards - and move them away from being controlled by any sovereign state (government), USA or other
comments like his underscore such hubris,... to imagine that any single government could control or even direct the totality of human connection and communication
even worse, and more to the point for Clark and his ilk: such stupidity to think that under the fear-driven false guise of "protecting us" those charged specifically to support and defend the Constitution would restrict the actions and freedoms of the very people from which all their power derives. I'd like believe that accountability will come back into favor in '09
such a cyber9-11 would be most interesting if it happened and restricted the Internet because it would directly affect the one right left to USians that will (could) get them out of the hole of degrading personal rights they continue to slide into: assembly
true... with enough money and desire to be in court- almost anyone can "sue" for whatever they want...
but to win, one must have a case. How is Yahoo marking messages as spam a case of Libel? I'm not a lawyer, but, sadly, I've been sued my fair share... For libel, as I understand it, the statements or actions need to be public (written or broadcast) and unjustly unfavorable (eg untrue), neither of which are the case here.
Weirdly, getting front page slashdotted may be a much better outcome for Randy than Yahoo blocking the emails.
Disclaimer: I've been on the This is True public list on and off with different emails since 1998. I love the list and the stories have subscribed several times. Well worth the effort and $24...
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as I understand it, in order to stay within the 'safe harbors' provision, the website operator has to take down content basically immediately and then review, and give the chance for the poster/publisher to respond.
I'm curious - on Wikipedia, is a DMCA takedown he same technically as a community-driven "delete"?
Does the community do the copyright review or are there staff at wikipedia that make the call?
most physicians I know are more interested in money, management, or making the best of a bad and now unchangeable career choice.
if physicians were more focused on health - the real, holistic health of the people who they care for (as opposed to the treatment-and-drug-oriented focus of western medicine) then they would WANT to know more organic chemistry, and, in a similar way work to change the broken healthcare mess (I won't even go so far as to call is a system)
The nature of "Truth" has been bandied by philosophers for thousands of years. To think we can "rate" the "truth" of websites is terrifically naive.
Different people harbor vastly different models of what "truth" even means. For some, there are unyielding absolute truths, defined by social norms. For others, truth is simply consistency with their other knowledge. Different people hold these two different models tightly, and defend them fiercely, and are at time create incompatible worldviews. As another example of different models, the Bhudda (yes that long ago) talked about Truth and truth - absolute truth and everyday truth... an insight that is very deep.
Beyond the idea that different people view the whole concept of truth differently - what is and is not true is bounded more by individual's ignorance than anything else. A proposition "X" that is "true" for Alice may be "false" for Bob, only because Alice and Bob have extremely different information. If they both *want to*, then they can choose to work out their differences, exchange information with each other and most likely other, trusted sources and resolve the "truth" of X to a common place - but for 1 fact, and 2 people in the vast complexity of the real world, that can sometimes mean a lot of work (like OJ trial work) for both Alice and Bob and others.
In a way, different truths for different people is very, very good thing. One-story societies, monocultures have critical points of failure. There is no one way to live, and if there ever were, all the emo kids would reject it just on principal anyway.
I'm not disagreeing with the need for reliability and accountability for information online. But 'truth'... that word does not mean what you think it means. Sir Lee is correct, I brought up a similar issue in a meeting in August 2006. . . over time does someone's (blogs, news, speeches, etc) statements match observation. That could be useful, but it is certainly not the same as truth, at best the word would be consistency.
my money would be on a Vogon Construction crew
Now is a dark, dark hour in US history when a court upholds the Constitution and the words "unprecedented victory" are used in the coverage of the event.
By having to call your site "LegalTorrents.com" doesn't that kind of imply that other Torrent sites may not be legal?
No
Our company runs LegalTorrents.com - completely legal P2P distribution as a service to Content Creators.
Anyone who falsely claims the P2P = illegal, you can simply send them a link to our site as a counter example. Oh yeah, and Jamendo, and BitTorrent, and many, many others.
Active protection, as in - running "fixes" locally automatically downloaded from the InterTubes? Throw in a pinch of DNS poisoning or muxed up routes and you've got yourself a perfect rootkit injection system with the piece of protection and [sent] immediately back to them! Yeah!
Facebook users seem so confused. Facebook, Inc. *OWNS* the website facebook.com - they can do basically whatever they want with it. tough cookies.
the basic premise of physical property is that if you do work on something and make a new thing, then you own it. own meaning society agrees you have exclusive rights to control where and how a thing is used. we have all sorts of other modern day legal and monetary things that also mean you own things, like titles and deeds and receipts. largely, these ideas of ownership have spilled over into the information, too, and rightly so - controlling the use and application of certain information for limited time helps society a lot. many of the current out-of-control IP systems are a bit slanted toward big organizations, but still, all in all IP is a good thing.
people own their personal connections to other people. you made them. an individual is the only person who know how another has treated them, how well they like them or hate them, if they would invite them over to a party next Friday. except, of course, if a person decided to give that information away by publishing it on a global communication system. once you do that, you don't own it any more, then it's like loose change on the sidewalk.
so when you join facebook, you give away your information, your connections to other people. and this is valuable stuff - it's no wonder pie-in-the-sky valuations for facebook are over $15B and growing. If asked to sell the same information, people simply wouldn't, they would and have simply keep it private, and rightly so.
that said, I made a facebook profile. I resisted it for years, but when we wanted to build a app to reach people, the facebook platform worked really well. I still see it as an inequitable exchange, though - Facebook makes explicit and public the information that is valuable to the individual when held private. In doing so, most users give far more to Facebook than they receive in return. it's just business.
Will this nightmare end?
Will the US go back to where Constitutional basic civil liberties are respected?
I'm not sure why Americans would want to stay in the US any more: on top of the overt repeal of historical rights, they have a declining dollar, poor education, poor and very expensive healthcare, and a culture of people that would attack and vilify those that stand up and point out these points.
For all the high brow talk about the Constitution and what the rights mean that it grants - any basic 4th grader can look at the situation, understand what the document intended, and observe that is no longer why US citizens have.
The financial system in the US is in active meltdown, right now. People are walking around with "debt" notes in their pocket and guess what, IT'S ALL DEBT - there are no resources to back it up. Boy that hangover is going to hurt when people realize how worthless their money is. The US has been on a 100-year bender, all the time mortgaging our resources to central bankers who whip up notes of debt for the people to carry around.
Education in the US is so much worse than it once was. Gates has given speeches on it. In international competitions, Chinese students kick the US students' asses. Higher and higher percentages of college students are non-native US.
I don't understand why more people are not acting in the US, why more people are not literally walking into every local government meeting and screaming long and loud for accountability from their leaders, pushing upward on the system every place they can.
And there is another issue too: Who is going to write these open source textbooks?
Here is a series of high quality physics textbooks we host, written by Ben Crowell:
http://beta.legaltorrents.com/torrents/158-physics-textbooks
There are 8 complete texts, adopted for classes by over 20 Colleges and Universities, and as many or more high schools.
[Overt Plug]
We would love to host other textbooks if the Content Creator wants them distributed too...
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spams per day, first 15 days of august:
http://208.69.42.194/scpfiles/1218826175.jpg
last few days do not look much different
so NASA want to "bomb" the moon. Nice. Aside from the obvious destruction and violence quips - another concern comes to mind.
FTA: "because it can be broken down into oxygen for lunar bases and fuel for rockets".
Kind of like what we did with all that oil, right - find it and use it all up like spoiled children with candy? It was 500 million years of energy, collected and compressed by biology, burned up in about 200 years, and in the process significantly altering the systems that made the biology possible.
I hate to break the really bad news, but we're all alone out here in a cold, dark and most unfriendly-to-life corner of the Universe. Getting to Mars is just a step - the REAL prize is making it possible for humans to journey outside our solar system, to other life sustaining places. This is a 20 thousand year project. Without that, humans remain a just a radio footnote in this dark corner. If humans take the same long-term approach to resource discovery and utilization with the rest of the planets and moons in the Solar System that we have with Earth, we will surely fail.
automatic or not - that was a huge eye-opener if that technology is available at the grad-student level. Available in commercial/comsumer products in 3-5 years.
So much for "video evidence". So much for reality. "Your honor, I have a video of what happened and I wasn't there! ... see?"
hate them? no. An individual's emotional response to a company doesn't do shit. They followed the rules of US capitalism with ruthless and unprincipled efficiency. For that, I kind of admire their dedication to an ideal, even if I dont agree with their behavior.
However, I've seen their actions and I know what they have done - to individuals, to companies, to the computer industry and to innovation in general. The actions the company has taken and continues to take have lead me to be a vocal and outspoken opponent of any product that bears the name, every partnership that involves them, and every business venture they are involved with.
You can attack that point of view, call me names from behind your AC shield, and act childish all you want. The word is not "fanaticism" - the one you have to understand is "accountability". Many in the US seem to have lost this concept in the last 10 years or so. Choosing to not to do business with them was easy and happened long ago. Microsoft has gone so much farther, and there is nothing they could do, short of a complete breakup of the company plus new management that would open my mind to trusting them.
I looked yesterday for where I could watch Olypics videos. Looks like I needed to instal some plugin from Microsoft that only works with "approved" browsers. Silverlight?
I don't even mind if I'm bombarded with ads to see video. I would even pay for certain footage of one person I know competing in Beijing and some of the events. But a Microsoft player? No thanks.
IANAL, but slide 5 of the presentation says "AND THIS IS VERY ILLEGAL". Maybe they are getting their rocks off, testing and exposing security weaknesses - whatever. public good, harming society, doesn't matter. if we follow free speech and assembly, the talk should not have been stopped, for ANY reason. when ever and where ever we go down the road of "illegal information" tyranny is sure to follow.
it would seem that a much better approach would have been to allow the speech to continue, but indict and serve the people (beforehand) who did illegal behavior ASAP, then use the speech to apprehend and prosecute those who did the illegal acts.
The state should warn them beforehand: "you will be prosecuted" for your illegal behavior X Y and Z (and BE SPECIFIC), and then at trial, public admissions make the situation worse. Gee, maybe law enforcement needs to get current, at least come into the 1990's.
this is the same discussion going on all around while the world ramps up the global communication streams: demonizing the information or talking about it after the illegal acts, instead of what works: calmly and very publicly bringing those who do criminal behaviors to justice.
2 wind-up orbits around the sun, 2 gravitational slingshot maneuvers by Venus, one each by Earth and Jupiter, all with only 1 course correction. Then *7 years* later it goes into orbit around Saturn! Oh, and it is powered with Plutonium.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Cassini_interplanet_trajectory.svg
It then sweeps by Enceladus 22 times, drops a probe on Titan, and does countless other science experiments and images
this is why the call it "rocket science". wow
makes you realize how someone might fo'get about metric and english systems.
last time I looked at the insides of a lottery machine (every chance I get) - I saw cables that looked a lot like ethernet. wonder if any of them use DNS to call home...
why are stores still offering free bags to people?
they could charge, and should. 50 cents a trip, or bring your own cloth bags (and carry for free).
be a regular, great customer in our store, and we'll give you as many ad-draped cloth bags as you need each month.
people's habits would change ... go to the grocery, bring your bags.
http://208.69.42.194/scpfiles/Dangers_of_Plastic_Bags.ppt
FTA... "points to the existence of incomparable types of quantum information"
mind blowing...
THE POLLS FOR MCCAIN AND OBAMA ARE ALMOST EQUAL
and if history is a guide, Republicans usually win recent presidential elections, especially if people use Diebold machines.
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Where's the Landslide?
By DAVID BROOKS
August 5, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/opinion/05brooks.html?th&emc=th
Why isn't Barack Obama doing better? Why, after all that has happened,
does he have only a slim two- or three-point lead over John McCain,
according to an average of the recent polls? Why is he basically tied
with his opponent when his party is so far ahead?
His age probably has something to do with it. So does his race. But ...
the polls and focus groups suggest that people aren't dismissive of
Obama or hostile to him. Instead, they're wary and uncertain.
to (re)move the control of each piece of the Internet and each organization that manages Internet assignment and standards - and move them away from being controlled by any sovereign state (government), USA or other
comments like his underscore such hubris, ... to imagine that any single government could control or even direct the totality of human connection and communication
even worse, and more to the point for Clark and his ilk: such stupidity to think that under the fear-driven false guise of "protecting us" those charged specifically to support and defend the Constitution would restrict the actions and freedoms of the very people from which all their power derives. I'd like believe that accountability will come back into favor in '09
such a cyber9-11 would be most interesting if it happened and restricted the Internet because it would directly affect the one right left to USians that will (could) get them out of the hole of degrading personal rights they continue to slide into: assembly
The list owner could sue
true... with enough money and desire to be in court- almost anyone can "sue" for whatever they want...
but to win, one must have a case. How is Yahoo marking messages as spam a case of Libel? I'm not a lawyer, but, sadly, I've been sued my fair share... For libel, as I understand it, the statements or actions need to be public (written or broadcast) and unjustly unfavorable (eg untrue), neither of which are the case here.
Weirdly, getting front page slashdotted may be a much better outcome for Randy than Yahoo blocking the emails.
Disclaimer: I've been on the This is True public list on and off with different emails since 1998. I love the list and the stories have subscribed several times. Well worth the effort and $24...
You forgot the "Get out of HELL free" cards!
http://www.goohf.com/origin.html