Heh?
I fscked ASUS for not having allow me use my
HGC in my shiny new Duron-800.
Now it's sitting in my Pentium-100 (OC'ed 90)
box which, once upgraded to 3.0-current, will
be 24/7 online, file server, web server, samba
server, NAT router, IPv6 native router and tunnel
endpoint, etc.
It's a pity that pccons does not have virtual consoles, because the MGA and the CGA have limited GFX RAM (the HGC and EGA don't).
So I'm mostily using ssh or putty. RSA logon of course.
Re GUI installers:
Whilst reading this article I gave the FBSD handbook a shot.
I laughed at their kernel configuration tool.
Either easy (and in OpenBSD you safely know _where_ a thing is: where it belongs) or easy the other way round (there is Win3.1 and there is NT5).
ipfwadm syntax was soo straightforward...
once I read an article in my native language
covering firewalling concepts in general,
and the englisch manpage of ipfwadm, I was able
to set it up.
Ok, pf has (thanks do dhartmei@) a nice manpage,
and an even better howto, but it is soo complex...
> we don't care if you use OpenBSD
as Theo says, he does it as a hobby and doesn't want to force anyone to use OpenBSD.
The fewer users, the more the developers have time to hack (which is joy for him).
Even I got an answer:)
> journalling is for linux weenies
I liked fewer fsck time, but I have let me persuade by the team. Softupdates are ok.
See the thread on linux-kernel@ (yes I follow l-k, misc@, tech@, source-changes@ and few others) on "Journalling pointless with today's hard drives?"
> what did you do before
4.2BSD FFS
4.4BSD LFS
check it out - LFS is still in the tree (escept for newlfs), albeit defunct.
I tried to get it running, but won't compile.
> bit performance boost on SMP
A Pentium-133 with 64MB RAM can easily saturate a 100Mbps line as web- and fileserver at up to 30% load.
My Pentium-100 (OC'ed 90) with 24MB additionally acts as Samba server and router/NAT/firewall,
and as IPv6 native router + tunnel endpoint.
This box using a Hercules gfx card (oh yes, this thingy at 720x348x1) and a self-built snapshot by anoncvs. It is rock solid, and I regularily hit the power switch by accident.
And my Windoze user profiles are stored on it, and it's my companion on almost any LAN I attend.
I remember some of the sentences in this post byte-by-byte in another thread, one year or more ago.
Is this considerable a troll, or are these his opinions, which, cut'n'paste aside, are so crucial that they get the same wording over a year later?
Mod me up, mod me down, it doesn't matter, but I'm honest not to post as an AC.
I'm using/usr/ports/mail/pine for both,
as it's the most convenient interface - if
configured correctly, i.e.
- a shell script to fetchmail -3 -o -
- piping through a filter (removing control characters, just to be sure)
- cat'ing the results (I have 5 accounts) to my ~/mbox
- calling pine, reading mail&news, the latter online
I ack this except for that I now consider using KDE on an OpenBSD box (no linux here, too instable). Not personally, I never even liked X and stick with icewm (for the sake of ease and 400kB WM executables). But by usage of KDE I could start to teach my friends real UN*X. Linux first (KDE 1.x times), I hoped for GNOME. But on OpenBSD now, I do not even hear of GNOME, but KDE 2.2.1 has been in the ports system nearly instantly after release. And my friends discovered - and discovered how to make a CD link on the desktop (not that easy under OpenBSD).
It's a pity that most free software is Linux-centric (the control planel doesn't do much sensefull except for WM settings), but for my fellow X11 using friends it's a cool tool to learn.
One of them I even started teaching a bit about the console (not the Konsole:)
Screenshots? Where? Who? What? WWW?
on
KDE 3.0 Screenshots
·
· Score: 0, Redundant
Duh...
They must be/.ed
And this with only 39 comments ???
Seems as they're running M$PWS v3:)
It IS NO "BSD Devil", neither is there a "BSD Demon".
There exists a (I know of four, but I know that at least five must exist) "BSD Daemon" which are different. Three red and one blue... and several more?
[OT]The OpenBSD daemon parodies deraadt?
From the pure pictures I like the FreeBSE daemon most, but the OS's not to great...
I have switched fully to OpenBSD with the 2.9 release, just keeping DOS for - inititalising a system (hardware access, DEBUG) - hex-editor, some text editing - SPEED (zsnes and vgb-dos) - booting windoze in order to play starcraft Heck, my registry is 233kB! And I am content with OpenBSD, ok I am a console user (never really got used to GUI, even used command.com and cmd.exe as windoze console), but _it is ok for daily use_. As for IE 5, I have to say: I _miss_ it. I never ever met a browser which can cope with a mix of Lynx2-8-4-pre2+SSL and IE5.* (I use lynx normally but when graphics I wish I had IE, and wine is of 1999 on OpenBSD because it's not ELF yet on i386) - I tried Links but found frames irritating, and it has no textfields-need-activation. But for webdesign, IE 5.* (they don't differ) IS the industry standard. And my homepage is designed for IE _only_. I have opera5 on linux binary emulation, but it sucks (no java, but except for the chat it displays my homepage next to correctly - don't think of netscrap 4 and co.) - there are soo many things I know IE had done better. Fonts! /me likes neither MS nor GPL, but I have to live with it. But the world changes, and I'm going to learn C by heart in order to contribute to OBSD.
Windows® 2000 uses the FreeBSD IP stack. Linux has some BSD driver code, they share some codebase, and many driver developers post their drivers to both Linux and *BSD. Some things they develop, and at least one (BSD Compress for PPP) must be compiled as module because of license issues. The BSDs often steal code from each other and do well so. (Think of the OpenBSD fork.) Linux PSX2 support was IIRC cloned from the _initial_ effort the NetBSD people made, but they finished earlier (because NetBSD has most 1/1000 of the developers of Linux?? dunno). All darwin code initially was put under APSL because those copyright paragraphs started to grow very fast (because of the clauses 3 and 4 of the old BSD license). Newly committed code is integrated into darwin as-is (e.g. BSD, LGPL...) though.
Even worse: what about older site archives? They did not have the disabling tag, so M$ can get its $hit into it. (IMO rewriting _is_ a clear violation of my copyright, to that.) This disables anyone from receiving the original content, thus rendering the archive worth nothing. Because an archive _shall_ preserve it.
Your idea didn't even come to my mind, but I find you are right. This is just another concern.
I'll add a javascript: if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("MSIE 6")!=-1) { alert("You must use a SmartTag-disabled browser!"); top.location.replace("http://slashdot .org/"); }
This guy has provided us with nearly all answers we needed on the story before. The only thing I personally have to add, and dont call me American because I am German: ASCII (ISO_646.irv:1991) is THE standard, and nearly all text-based RFCs (such as 2821/2822 SMTP) base on it. And so it can't be put aside. The only solution, with look at ASCII as well as to the endianness problems, is UTF-8. And I don't believe it is harder to excange than e.g. UTF-16 even in far-east equipment. Furthermore it is easier to handle for e.g. libc strcpy() and co. which is such a great function (in the code in the K&R books). So please, people, stop arguing. I always write in ISO_646.irv:1991 but usually give a charset=utf-8 when I can't choose ISO-646.irv:1991 (or ASCII-7).
Please don't call me old-fashioned, but ASCII has been the most important standard, base64 bases on ASCII and EBCDIC (which is the only real alternative) and it must not be simply thrown away. UTF-16 is NOT ASCII-compatible. ASCII defines 7-bit encodings, which are wrapped into 8-bit characters as long as we don't go away from the bit (e.g. to the (0,1,2) state).
I'm not the first. But after two years of basic linux knowledge I got to know OpenBSD 2.9 now, today, after arrival of my CDs from Belgium. It seems as if Wim Vandeputte does not have problems which delay shipping any longer. And, setting up pppd as in linux (but without usepeerdns) was no problem. Just my PCMCIA NE2k hangs. Despite that I find 2.9 official very ok, and I could even call myself proud of donating so to the project. But it is as we always do e.g. with StarCraft(tm): first try, e.g. let burn CDs by a friend or buy unofficial, then test. If the game/OS/whatsoever works and fits you, as I only keep Windoze(tm) for playing SC, you buy it. Not to forget the CD-Key (SC) and those super-nice stickers (OBSD) - I nearly laughed me to death when I saw the comics on it... One of them yet has found its way to my laptop, and the rubbish bin sticker will renice my Windoze 1859(tm) CD.
Slashdot Mirror
Heh?
I fscked ASUS for not having allow me use my
HGC in my shiny new Duron-800.
Now it's sitting in my Pentium-100 (OC'ed 90)
box which, once upgraded to 3.0-current, will
be 24/7 online, file server, web server, samba
server, NAT router, IPv6 native router and tunnel
endpoint, etc.
It's a pity that pccons does not have virtual consoles, because the MGA and the CGA have limited GFX RAM (the HGC and EGA don't).
So I'm mostily using ssh or putty. RSA logon of course.
Re GUI installers:
Whilst reading this article I gave the FBSD handbook a shot.
I laughed at their kernel configuration tool.
Either easy (and in OpenBSD you safely know _where_ a thing is: where it belongs) or easy the other way round (there is Win3.1 and there is NT5).
ipfwadm syntax was soo straightforward...
once I read an article in my native language
covering firewalling concepts in general,
and the englisch manpage of ipfwadm, I was able
to set it up.
Ok, pf has (thanks do dhartmei@) a nice manpage,
and an even better howto, but it is soo complex...
Not that I'd complain, I've just get tused to it.
I wouldn't trust your images.
Rather build your own
www.de.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
or use ctm, cvsup (think of the S1G bug), ftp.
tweaking?
man 4 options
performance?
I prefer stability.
SuSE 6.4 won't even bother to _boot_ from CD
on a not-more-so-recent Duron system.
The BSDs do.
> we don't care if you use OpenBSD :)
as Theo says, he does it as a hobby and doesn't want to force anyone to use OpenBSD.
The fewer users, the more the developers have time to hack (which is joy for him).
Even I got an answer
> journalling is for linux weenies
I liked fewer fsck time, but I have let me persuade by the team. Softupdates are ok.
See the thread on linux-kernel@ (yes I follow l-k, misc@, tech@, source-changes@ and few others) on "Journalling pointless with today's hard drives?"
> what did you do before
4.2BSD FFS
4.4BSD LFS
check it out - LFS is still in the tree (escept for newlfs), albeit defunct.
I tried to get it running, but won't compile.
> bit performance boost on SMP
A Pentium-133 with 64MB RAM can easily saturate a 100Mbps line as web- and fileserver at up to 30% load.
My Pentium-100 (OC'ed 90) with 24MB additionally acts as Samba server and router/NAT/firewall,
and as IPv6 native router + tunnel endpoint.
This box using a Hercules gfx card (oh yes, this thingy at 720x348x1) and a self-built snapshot by anoncvs. It is rock solid, and I regularily hit the power switch by accident.
And my Windoze user profiles are stored on it, and it's my companion on almost any LAN I attend.
> Security
Prove an exploit.
I remember some of the sentences in this post byte-by-byte in another thread, one year or more ago.
Is this considerable a troll, or are these his opinions, which, cut'n'paste aside, are so crucial that they get the same wording over a year later?
Mod me up, mod me down, it doesn't matter, but I'm honest not to post as an AC.
I'm using /usr/ports/mail/pine for both,
as it's the most convenient interface - if
configured correctly, i.e.
- a shell script to fetchmail -3 -o -
- piping through a filter (removing control characters, just to be sure)
- cat'ing the results (I have 5 accounts) to my ~/mbox
- calling pine, reading mail&news, the latter online
I ack this except for that I now consider using KDE on an OpenBSD box (no linux here, too instable). Not personally, I never even liked X and stick with icewm (for the sake of ease and 400kB WM executables). But by usage of KDE I could start to teach my friends real UN*X. Linux first (KDE 1.x times), I hoped for GNOME. But on OpenBSD now, I do not even hear of GNOME, but KDE 2.2.1 has been in the ports system nearly instantly after release. And my friends discovered - and discovered how to make a CD link on the desktop (not that easy under OpenBSD). :)
It's a pity that most free software is Linux-centric (the control planel doesn't do much sensefull except for WM settings), but for my fellow X11 using friends it's a cool tool to learn.
One of them I even started teaching a bit about the console (not the Konsole
Duh...
/.ed
:)
They must be
And this with only 39 comments ???
Seems as they're running M$PWS v3
Uncomplete, doesn't go through the undocumented
t xt
deeps of the lameness filter, but tada:
http://members.tripod.de/mirabilos/pub/profile.
I don't need no ~/.profile so.
--
or from BSD ipfw?
Possible and has been discussed, but I
don't know either.
--
subscribe to src-changes@
/. was back
Then you'll see the number of new commits and
debugs to OpenBSD.
This includes pf.
Btw I wrote about this right after
online...
--
3 bit?
No it's been 8 bit.
The PIC8259 has been programmed to send
08h to 0Fh (and 40h to 47h) but these bytes
(i.e. 8 bits) are sent over the bus.
And the IDT can also be in real mode anywhere
in memory - on 386. IIRC also on 286 but insure.
--
Not only 1901 but Fri 13th :( :)
I'm looking at a bad future in MS NT POSIX
subsystem
I guess *BSD etc. will change time_t to long
in some years...
--
Use lynx and/or light-html option.
--
It IS NO "BSD Devil", neither is there a
"BSD Demon".
There exists a (I know of four, but I know that
at least five must exist) "BSD Daemon" which are
different.
Three red and one blue... and several more?
[OT]The OpenBSD daemon parodies deraadt?
From the pure pictures I like the FreeBSE daemon
most, but the OS's not to great...
--
It breaks structures with time_t in them.
They're prolonged.
And as simply you can recompile any programme
with a modified time_t.
This still doesn't solve binary programmes.
--
Win 95 B OSR 2.1
The stablest beneath 2k though.
LICENSE
--
I have switched fully to OpenBSD with the 2.9
release, just keeping DOS for
- inititalising a system (hardware access, DEBUG)
- hex-editor, some text editing
- SPEED (zsnes and vgb-dos)
- booting windoze in order to play starcraft
Heck, my registry is 233kB!
And I am content with OpenBSD, ok I am a console
user (never really got used to GUI, even used
command.com and cmd.exe as windoze console), but
_it is ok for daily use_.
As for IE 5, I have to say: I _miss_ it. I never
ever met a browser which can cope with a mix of
Lynx2-8-4-pre2+SSL and IE5.* (I use lynx normally
but when graphics I wish I had IE, and wine is
of 1999 on OpenBSD because it's not ELF yet on
i386) - I tried Links but found frames irritating,
and it has no textfields-need-activation.
But for webdesign, IE 5.* (they don't differ) IS
the industry standard. And my homepage is designed
for IE _only_.
I have opera5 on linux binary emulation, but it
sucks (no java, but except for the chat it displays
my homepage next to correctly - don't think of
netscrap 4 and co.) - there are soo many things
I know IE had done better. Fonts!
/me likes neither MS nor GPL, but I have to live
with it. But the world changes, and I'm going to
learn C by heart in order to contribute to OBSD.
--
Windows® 2000 uses the FreeBSD IP stack.
Linux has some BSD driver code, they share some
codebase, and many driver developers post their
drivers to both Linux and *BSD. Some things they
develop, and at least one (BSD Compress for PPP)
must be compiled as module because of license
issues.
The BSDs often steal code from each other and
do well so. (Think of the OpenBSD fork.)
Linux PSX2 support was IIRC cloned from the
_initial_ effort the NetBSD people made, but
they finished earlier (because NetBSD has most
1/1000 of the developers of Linux?? dunno).
All darwin code initially was put under APSL
because those copyright paragraphs started to
grow very fast (because of the clauses 3 and 4
of the old BSD license). Newly committed code is
integrated into darwin as-is (e.g. BSD, LGPL...)
though.
--
Well it could be considered off-topic, but this
is THE answer to these guys making *BSD bad.
I laughed when I read this! *good*
user-agent: lynx2-8-2 modSSL OpenBSD-current
--
NOOOOOOOO!
Even if it would find its way into OpenBSD
I wouldn't approve it.
This just has the bonus that one can remove
and recompile.
--
Even worse: what about older site archives?
t .org/"); }
They did not have the disabling tag, so M$
can get its $hit into it. (IMO rewriting _is_
a clear violation of my copyright, to that.)
This disables anyone from receiving the original
content, thus rendering the archive worth nothing.
Because an archive _shall_ preserve it.
Your idea didn't even come to my mind, but I
find you are right. This is just another concern.
I'll add a javascript:
if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("MSIE 6")!=-1) {
alert("You must use a SmartTag-disabled browser!");
top.location.replace("http://slashdo
--
This guy has provided us with nearly all answers
we needed on the story before.
The only thing I personally have to add, and dont
call me American because I am German:
ASCII (ISO_646.irv:1991) is THE standard, and
nearly all text-based RFCs (such as 2821/2822 SMTP)
base on it. And so it can't be put aside.
The only solution, with look at ASCII as well as
to the endianness problems, is UTF-8. And I don't
believe it is harder to excange than e.g. UTF-16
even in far-east equipment.
Furthermore it is easier to handle for e.g. libc
strcpy() and co. which is such a great function
(in the code in the K&R books).
So please, people, stop arguing. I always write in
ISO_646.irv:1991 but usually give a charset=utf-8
when I can't choose ISO-646.irv:1991 (or ASCII-7).
Please don't call me old-fashioned, but ASCII has
been the most important standard, base64 bases on
ASCII and EBCDIC (which is the only real alternative)
and it must not be simply thrown away. UTF-16 is
NOT ASCII-compatible. ASCII defines 7-bit encodings,
which are wrapped into 8-bit characters as long as
we don't go away from the bit (e.g. to the (0,1,2)
state).
--
I'm not the first. But after two years of basic linux knowledge I got to know OpenBSD 2.9 now, today, after arrival of my CDs from Belgium.
It seems as if Wim Vandeputte does not have problems which delay shipping any longer.
And, setting up pppd as in linux (but without usepeerdns) was no problem. Just my PCMCIA NE2k hangs.
Despite that I find 2.9 official very ok, and I could even call myself proud of donating so to the project.
But it is as we always do e.g. with StarCraft(tm): first try, e.g. let burn CDs by a friend or buy unofficial, then test.
If the game/OS/whatsoever works and fits you, as I only keep Windoze(tm) for playing SC, you buy it.
Not to forget the CD-Key (SC) and those super-nice stickers (OBSD) - I nearly laughed me to death when I saw the comics on it...
One of them yet has found its way to my laptop, and the rubbish bin sticker will renice my Windoze 1859(tm) CD.
Anyone experience with StarCraft/WINE under OBSD?
--