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Favorite NNTP Client?
keller asks: "We all have our favourite browser, mail client and OS! So what about Usenet Reader? I have always used Netscape's built-in one, and have always been satisfied, but are there better alternatives out there. I'm not looking for any features in particular, just something easy to use and nice to look at."
PAN (the Pimp Ass Newsreader) is without a doubt the best newsreader I've used on any platform. Pan seems to be Unix/Linux only, and is based on the gtk+ toolkit.
Check it out at http://pan.rebelbase.com.
I've never used it but I really like the release names: "Cherry Blossoms Fall" "Alethiometer" (cf. His Dark Materials trilogy ;)
"Why Don't You Just Make Ten Louder"
The author has humor and I'm gonna give this newsreader a try.
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I've had great luck using SLRN for both Windows and Linux. It is text only, but it respects your mime types and/or mailcap entries, so viewing graphical items isn't a problem. It also lets you use your favorite editor to compose news posts, which I find to be a definate plus.
Since slrn exists for nearly every major platform, those who switch between many boxen on a regular basis will benefit from having a consistent interface. Also, scoring, downloading multi-part binaries, editing your posts, and administering news groups are all simple and easy to learn.
I've tried dozens of news readers, and I've come to believe in slrn as the top of the pile. However, if you're just using an X environment and no other platform, pan (the Pimp Ass Newsreader) is a great graphical client.
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It was good enough for me to give up nn (and rn, and trn).
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...as I use Outlook Express ;)
:) try Outlook Express which is bundled with Internet Explorer for UNIX .
But IMHO this is a powerfull NNTP client, as it offers all I need to get, read, and post to a NNTP server.
And by the way, UNIX users may (I write this even if I'm sure they wont
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IE for LINUX as part of the settlement...not cause I want it or anyrthing, just because it would hurt them so much to do it...
Of course better yet, perhaps the settlement agreement should stipulate 100% porting and compatibility of all MS apps in the Linux environment.
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I always liked 'trn' under Unix, though I think it's pretty much been orphaned now. I've also heard good things about 'slrn' and 'nn'. All of these are console-based readers. I left the Unix scene too long ago to have found a good reader that runs under X.
Under Win32 I think that Microplanet's Gravity is a fantastic reader. It got orphaned a year or two ago (and the link is down now, so the company may be defunct) but you can still get it from various download sites. Try Webattack.
When Microplanet abandoned it they released the last build (v2.50) as freeware. Good going, guys! I liked it enough to pay for it at v1.1, and I'm glad it's still available.
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I recently had zeonews recommended to me. It's reminiscient of OE, but shows a lot more functionality. I prefer it to OE and ForteAgent which are the only two I've used regularly.
Zeonews is the latest version of newsgrabber, of which you might be able to get an older version free.
Google Groups is the old DejaNews usenet service.
I've found it to satisfy all of my requirements for an NNTP "client".
At least, that's what I always say. I've used tin for ten years now (ever since 1.11PL2), and still is IMNAAHO the best text-based news client.
tin is menu-based, with lots of useful options (and not bloated with irrelevant stuff). The basic usage is very simple, and is pretty configurable. If you have a shell account in your ISP, it's the ideal choice.
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I use good old OE. Whilst it's not very featureful, a lot of the other free newsreaders seem to have stagnated. (Free)Agent hasn't really changed in several years and is looking quite stale. I have not tried Zeonews yet.
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gnus allows you to filter posts with a manually controlled (but complex) scoring system, or you can turn on a mode which just watches what you tend to read and ignore, and attempts to filter posts you're not likely to enjoy based on who posted it and "artificial stupidity" performed on keywords in the subject lines.
gnus supports color highlighting of different reply levels within a post, useful for tracking the fragments of a discussion by the time a post is 8 replies into a thread.
You can access it remotely with only a text interface (even in color with xemacs or emacs21), or you can access it locally and have a nice graphical interface. If you're on the road, there's no worry about resetting all your read markers as you go to and from.
gnus is written in elisp, which makes it easy to add features you may want. And there are mailing lists and a newsgroup full of fanatics who love making changes if you've got an interesting idea, but don't have the aptitude to implement it.
And of course, like most emacs components, you can customize the hell out of gnus. If there's anything you don't like, chances are someone's already made a configuration option to change its behavior.
I've tried tons of newsreaders (GUI and otherwise), but Tin just "does it" for me.
If you have a shell account in your ISP, it's the ideal choice.
Even if you don't - I use Tin with my cablemodem all the time.
On MacOS 8/9, the leader is clearly MT NewsWatcher. I'm surprised Simon hasn't finished the Carbon version yet, but to be fair he's also working on the Mac ports of Mozilla and presumably a real job somewhere.
When I'm in a terminal window, I use trn.
I'm using /usr/ports/mail/pine for both,
as it's the most convenient interface - if
configured correctly, i.e.
- a shell script to fetchmail -3 -o -
- piping through a filter (removing control characters, just to be sure)
- cat'ing the results (I have 5 accounts) to my ~/mbox
- calling pine, reading mail&news, the latter online
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
It's simple, text based, and powerful. Combine it with mutt for email, and you have a dynamic duo of electronic messaging!
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I use it in Windows and it also works well in Linux using Wine (www.winehq.com). By far my favorite newsreader.
Filtering is trivial, writing & managing filters is easily done (and without needing to know any specific notation), scoring is performed identically, saving text and binaries is accomplished cleanly and with versatility, heck it can even be set to use voice commands and read back material. It honors every obscure usenet convention thown at it (mail-copies-to, X-face, etc.) and follows every good usage guideline plus handles multiple languages with aplomb.
Finally the documentation is simply fantastic. If nothing else this makes it a great program: Clear well-written comprehensive documentation properly laid out, indexed, usefully hyperlinked and always helpful. I can't express how important this is and how useful has been.
Oh yeah, it's a free (as in lucre) Mac application running under both MacOS & MacOS X. However MT-NewsWatcher is good enough friends have kept old Macs just for running it; it's that good.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
"MT" for Multi-threaded. Without a doubt the best I've used on any platform. Due for migration to OS X very soon. Multi-threaded NewsWatcher B.
I'll have to second that recommendation. Development of Agent (and it's free little cousin, Free Agent) seemed to stop for a couple years, but Forte has recently released some upgrades. Their site indicates that users will be able to vote for new features on the eagerly anticipated Agent 2.0.
I really like Netscape's mail/news better than Outlook Express. OE is very close, but not quite. I've used Netscape since 2.x to read newsgroups and mail...
Their browser on the other hand....
This was the first news reader I ever used, and I have yet to find one I like as much. It seems like each newsreader I come across has three "panes" - one to display the newsgroups, one for the headers of the currently active newsgroup, and one for the message currently being viewed. NR/2 had these in separate windows, so you could place them and overlap them as you saw fit, allowing you to maximize your screen real estate. Has anyone found a reader like this for Linux?
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I think you mean 'NNRP' client.
One of the many forks of John Norstad's NewsWatcher code, MT-NewsWatcher boasts a very good feature set and smooth operation. Hope the MacOSX port goes well.
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http://www.gnab.net is by far the best nntp site =)
http://www.gnab.net
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You give it a shot.
gone back to nn. Especially since the
debian nn is finally functional again.
So scoring isn't as finely graduated as other
newsreaders. It still kicks butt, IMHO.
(currently testing something about signatures here)
Currently I like using Mozilla to access my mail and news simultaniously, as well as have access to a MOO client (MOOzilla) and a web browser all with one package. It is, however, a tad buggy.. I find that some newsgroups consistantly cause the mailer to crash, and I haven't yet gotten a resolution for this bug.
I used to use a perl script I wrote, fetchnews, to read newsgroups and deposit them into mboxes for use with Mutt. Posting to USENET was done by sending to local nntp-alt.bitterness, or whatever newsgroup, which used a qmail wrapper script to send the mail out properly. It was a nice setup, but since I've lost most of the configuration, I've switched to Mozilla.
When I ran windows, Forte Agent from forteinc.com, really was the best nntp client I knew of. .sig settings, whether to download bodies or headers only, expire criterias etc.
/GPG support (not sure what to use it for, but I like it anyway)
I has some drawbacks though: It was cumbersome to use with more than one news.server, the built-in editor was very simple.
The pros:
Fast to load, fast responsive navigation, good keyboard shortcuts. Self contained in one directory, with nice text based config files, making it very easy to move it around, and preserve settings when reinstalling windows.
Nice, easely used options like; watch or ignore threads. Very powerfull 'per group' options, like
I think that Forte Agent was something of a trendsetter regarding GUI newsreaders in its time. And it was and offline newsreader, which really meant something when using a pay per minute modem connection.
Now my preferred nntp client is is KDE Knode, or rather it is not, since our current internet feed provider doesn't have usenet feed:-(, and the free newsservers, don't carry a some of the groups I am interested in.
But so far, Knode seems even more powerfull than Forte Agent in most respects.
Still, it lacks 'per group' expire options (a major letdown for me). And "Score killfiling" is not enough for me, I want real killfilling, eg. delete on the spot.
OTOH, it some really, really nifty features like ">" quote marked text, excellent PGP
All in all, Knode is a powerfull nntp client.
Superpimps "Pan" (GNOME) looks nice too (especially if one likes Forte Agent). Haven't used it in a long time, but AFAIK one of its main features, is its abillity to have several, concurrent downloads, from different servers.
www.tin.org
I prefer keyboard navigation to read large quantities of news faster. Tin provides that and article threading.
A lot of other non-gui newsreaders are probably
just as good, but I'm used to the keystrokes.
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My own favorite was NCSA Mosaic, mostly used on X Windows systems, hence xmosaic. The part of the interface that I really liked was that once I had gone to a newsgroup of interest all postings were listed with full subject headers. That made it quite easy to visually scan the wheat from the chafe. I thought that the Netscape NNTP interface was a step backwards. The listing of server hierarchies, then newsgroup hierarchies on the left panel is completely useless. I realize that it can be reduced in size via the non-intuituve "hold the mouse over the widget separator bar click and move interface". But xmosaic did that one step better and removed that sub widget display altogether - much cleaner. If you wanted to browse the group hiearchy then you simply entered nntp://your.nntp.server/ rather than nntp://your.nntp.server/your.favorite.group.name.
trn is still slowly under development (http://trn.sourceforge.net/) and version 4 is pretty stable and still my favorite newsreader, despite being in beta for the better part of a decade.
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